>tfw you realize Lucio is the best support in the game by a large margin
>tfw he has utility regardless of the situation
Why is he YOUR main?
Hes the only useful support I enjoy playing and I go him when team needs a healer. I wonder if sombre will be a reliable healer.
I also wish Reinhart was fun to play.. The only "tank" I enjoy playing is roadhog
>>344446341
lets hope sombra is fun to play with since its mostly 2 supports in game, yes zen is trash deal with it.
>tfw really good as zenyatta
>people shit on me and ask me to change every time i pick him
fucking mercy and lucio is boring
>>344446881
Reinhart is really fun in defense, since you can go in much more often. Lucio's alright but I'm so fucking sick of playing him since nobody ever picks healers.
>>344446341
Because he gives off a certain amount of positivity.
>Look at this team, we're gonna do great
He honestly seems like the only upbeat character in OW
>>344447995
Zenyatta's pretty positive.
>>344447995
What? Half the cast are upbeat. Even Junkrat and Rein are upbeat in an endearing crazy way.
>>344446341
>main
lmao lolkiddies
pretty much
>77% win rate with Lucio
>56% win rate with Mercy
Mercy depends way too much on her teammates. When your teammates are being dumbasses at least I fuck around with Lucio (ie. wall skate over payload to buy us time, or push back niggas into disadvantageous positions).
>>344447995
>Tracer
>Junkrat
>Tracer
>Phara
>D.va
>TRACER
>>Not upbeat
Come on, son.
I do not understand the appeal of maining Lucio. Your effectiveness as a support is completely dependent on LOS and just keeping a pulse, but that's all you really fucking do outside of some situational moments. Wallriding is also super-situational depending on where you're at on a map.
>>344448185
>>344448574
Half the cast is upbeat in a crazy mentally unstable kind of way
Lucio is the only 'grounded' positive person
>>344446341
I am currently practicing as Zenyatta in anticipation of the buff that the developers themselves talked about. I hope it's health Junkrat blind firing ruins mah day.
How is your season going?
I struggle...
>>344447825
I always see people pick on zenyatta when he's the only healer and we're losing.
It doesnt hurt to go lucio+zen or mercy+zen just like how it doesnt hurt to go double tanks.
>>344448970
play something else besides junkrat and you'll win loser
> tfw you realize that all of Mercy's abilities except the blaster do absolutely nothing without teammates.
Mercy is great and all, but you need a Lucio with her to make it work. Otherwise she just dies and never gets truly good ults off (as in 3+), because once your team dies you have nobody to run to.
Lucio is so fucking good. You can play him in any match and he will be amazing. I wish Zenyatta was better, though. He's my favorite support by far, but he's unplayable in comp.
>>344449083
it's almost like they want you to play with your team
>>344449062
>play exclusively junkrat and roadhog
>just went on a 7 win streak and went from 48 to 53
nah son you don't know the powers of rato
>Lucio mains
ResidentSleeper
Lucio is for people that don't like shooting people in FPS games. Just go 4 Soldiers and 2 Zarya's every game.
>>344448574
Pharah isn't upbeat though. She seems rather calm and stoic.
>>344449083
She needs an extra ability or something. Even the stupidest fucking shit will do, she's just too boring to play.
>>344449386
>people who don't like shooting
What? I'm consistently getting like 15-20 kills in a round if it goes longer. He's really easy to headshot people with.
>>344446341
He's not because he has a laughably terrible and annoying design.
The pros pick mercy almost every time and so do i.
>>344449542
Nah man she can be pretty fun. I like jumping around helping out people in different locations. It's even more fun if you play with people you know and can communicate. Then you're able to tell them to get to the edge of their vantage point to heal them quickly or boost their damage. All in all if your team isn't reckless and the battle isn't too close quarters she's quite a fun hero to play
>>344448970
>19 hours
thats barely more than 1 day of play, how fucking casual are you? 16 hours of play, 8 hours of sleep in a day
>>344450584
you're aware that's ranked playtime only, right
>>344450935
yes, and? that changes literally nothing
10 bucks says you are a normalfag with a job and you are gonna come at me with some retarded excuse about how you "don't have 16 hours a day to play video games like a fucking loser"
you don't belong on 4chan, maybe plebbit is more your speed
>>344447825
People shit on you because Zenyatta is fucking useless.
I actually like him, but I would never pick him on a competitive match.
>can only heal one at a time (mercy is the same but she can damage boost at least)
>slow as fuck
>attacks aren't really useful
>ult can be pushed of hooked, range is terrible and is basically a worse version of sound barrier
>>344446341
He's severely inferior to Mercy in every defense situation.
>>344451243
You cant hook Zens ult tho
Mercy is still better, her ult is just too good to pass.
>>344451243
Zenyatta is a niche pick, he isn't strong but he works in certain situations. If you're just using left clicks he'll do quite a bit of damage, more than his healer counterparts.
>>344449062
A good Junkrat player dominates thou, sry you're shit
>>344451409
Or you can go ape and bump him off a cliff.
>>344451528
>is rank 47
mad
Lot's of people shitting on Zenyatta
Pretty funny, really. In pubs he's seen as awful because like several champs he needs teamwork and some protection.
My pre-made team dominates and when I play support I use zenyatta. His attacks are crazy accurate, his debuff orb is OP.
So far, I've yet to encounter a 'bad' champion. They're all really great, just need the right situation.
The only way they can be bad in this game is in unorganized pubs where everyone is out for themselves.
>>344449542
she is fun when the team is semi-competent. Have them be in the perfect positions and you can just fuck around with the enemy team as much as Lucio can by russing around doing nothing.
>>344451738
>champion
Can't make this shit up.
>>344449213
Anon do you play any Mercy?
>you need a Lucio with her to make it work
Nigga you're grossly downplaying how much harder it is to take down a push if one of the attackers can suddenly oneshot your squishies and has basically doubled their EHP. Mercy is far more effective on a target taking fire than Lucio because that effectiveness is not bound to a skill on CD. That's her niche similar to Lucio's is keeping everyone topped off from engagement to engagement.
>never gets truly good ults off (as in 3+)
Never count how good a rez is depending on how many people it gets back up, count how much utility is gives for a push/defense.
One of the best ways to tell a good Mercy from a mediocre one is that they aren't looking for a POTG with every rez, they're looking to maintain a defense or a push, keep pressure up and win a war of attrition with the enemy.
>once your team dies you have nobody to run to
A Mercy is able to fly to dead allies. They have been for ages. People wouldn't be as mad about Mercy's ult if she couldn't constantly pop all her allies back up in one suicide dive.
>>344449542
I don't know what your context of "fun" is, but for me things like: Flying from target to target, diving toward an ulting Pharah to keep her alive at the last second with a sliver of HP, constantly monitoring allies and swapping heal beams to keep them from dying in one hit is what keeps me playing her more than Lucio.
>>344449557
>He's really easy to headshot people with
That would be fine if his weapon wasn't wet tissue paper. Literally anyone else headshotting Lucio's target would be more effective. You can tag an enemy and get elimination cred, but getting a solo elimination with him is the exception rather than the rule outside of environmental kills.
>>344448970
I don't play competitive.
Too deaf to communicate, so I just stay out of it.
>>344451243
i pick him as a murder machine, not pussy support
>not softening up obnoxious roadhogs/winstons
>not getting tracer to fuck off with a discorded headshot
>not discording the reinhardt the second he drops his shield and watching him sweat
>not instagibbing the discorded reinhardt by fully charging m2 into him
>>344451615
>rank 47 is good
bad
>>344446341
>/v/ is okay with playing with a nigger
>>344451842
> what you call them doesnt matter
they aren't classes like in TF2, so their title can be anything from hero to champion for all it matters
>>344449542
She's fun when the team works. You just fly between targets and it's pretty intense management between health and damage output.
When your team is shit and never stick together, that's where you just stop playing Mercy because it's hopeless.
>>344451738
>champ
Fag
>>344452001
>>344451842
autism is a real illness and it permeates this board
>>344451961
They are literally called Heroes you lolbab.
>>344451894
>below the halfway mark
literal garbage
lost 4/10 placements got 61
>>344451928
>South America is black people
Quality American schooling.
>>344451243
>can only heal one at a time (mercy is the same but she can damage boost at least)
Zen can heal AND boost damage at the same time, for the entire team no less.
>attacks aren't really useful
Stronger than Mcreeeeeee due to no damage fall off, assuming you're attacking an orb target
Everything else yeah. I love the dude but I don't play him in comp
>>344452132
brazilians are worse than niggers actually
>>344447825
>Fucking mercy is boring
What are you? Gay?
>>344446341
> Having a main
Kill yourself.
>>344451961
You were that weird kid in elementary school, weren't you?
>>344452075
But it doesn't matter what term you use, because hero and champion are the same thing.
I bet if I spilled some toothpicks you could count the exact amount
>>344452132
>Argentina
>White
>Brazil
>White
>Brownies
>White
>>344452330
> not caring about nomenclature in video games makes you weird
try again, son
>>344452354
Are you saying you can't count?
>want to fuck around in quickplay
>never get to it because I always get put with retarded teammates that get fucking steamrolled unless I babysit them
why.png
I just want to get better with fucking Widowmaker, but I swear to god, as soon as I'm not either Pharah or Tracer, I fucking lose all games.
>>344451243
Zenyatta is an offensive support, he's able to both heal his team and increase their damage at the same time, while also being able to attack during all of it as well.
He's great to have around to face off against a multi-tank/high health team, as those targets are generally bigger than the others and easy prey to his orbs and his team's fire.
against teams with speedeier characters, or only one tank Zenyatta's increased damage will be less help, and a different support would be better.
>>344446341
I like Lucio in koth, but I prefer Mercy everywhere else.
>>344449542
She's fun when you have a decent team and even better if you have a partner. Pharah + Mercy combo is also incredibly fun, that's when I find Mercy the most entertaining.
>>344451861
Nobody communicates by voice chat in game anyway. But I can see not wanting to play comp because you cant hear game sounds.
>>344452740
But you just posted irrefutable proof that Lucio is better in LITERALLY every category.
>>344448649
How do Tracer, Pharah or D.va come off as mentally unstable?
>>344452649
Just keep losing, eventually your quick play MMR will be low enough that your opponents will be shit too.
>>344451214
(You)'re a huge faggot
>>344452865
Perhaps on stats, Lucio does generally heal more than Mercy, but Mercy is better at keeping people alive in my experience. Against a lot of pressure such as on defense Lucio can't really keep up. Mercy's ult is also up almost all the time, I usually have my ult within 30s-1min of the game starting. I also typically play with a partner who I can usually reliably damage boost.
>>344453061
So you're saying I should pick my worst character and fuck around till I actually play against shit people
>>344452865
the lucio sample size is 1/10th of that of the mercy
Lucio is better than mercy because he can provide consistent damage while also healing and when shit gets hairy he can peace out. Also for big pushes his ult is better, you can drop his ult and negate enemy ults or pair them with a pharah or reaper ult and do tons of damage
What rank did everyone place at and what rank are you guys at now?
>>344448667
Doing the same with D.Va. I want to be ready.
Also saving shekels so I can immediately unlock Sombra's Legendary. And whatever summer skins have gotta be coming out.
>>344453248
What do you think everyone else is doing? Winning only matters in competitive mode.
>>344446341
the uninstall button
>>344453454
Yeah keep in mind I play Lucio almost exclusively on koth.
>>344453628
But Mercy can heal more when it counts, on defense he's just not gonna be able to outheal big pushes. His ult is very useful, but Mercy's can be incredibly powerful too given the right situation, her ult also charges very fast.
>someone tries to tell me lucio is OP
>mfw he is absolutely garbage at healing compared to Mercy
>his speed boost is literally the only good thing about him
>hes also a dirty nigger
>>344446341
>Why is he YOUR main?
he isnt, but when my team has some bad odds with no support, lucio usually turns that around.
i dont have fun with lucio because of his normal gun, but i could probably have had more fun if i utilized him better.
either way, its hard to fail as a lucio
>>344453843
Placed 56 and 60 now.
>>344446341
He's fucking garbage if your team isn't packed together
>>344454696
I don't think Overwatch is the right game for you bro
>>344454696
He's powerful in the sense that he brings a lot to the table, he has healing, speed boost, damage, a knockback, ability to wall ride, a strong ult. He's not some amazing team killer, it's just that he brings a lot of utility and this is coming from a Mercy main.
>>344446341
I mein Mei because I'm an asshole.
>>344446341
Lucio:
>High Mobility
>Decent Damage
>Don't need to swap weapons to heal and deal damage at the same time
>Pretty much untouchable in the right hands.
>Buffs the entire team
>Can heal multiple allies at the same time
>Really good ult
>Best support in either Attack or Defense since the points and playload carts take 3 full c]circles of Pluto around the sun to get there
>slow projectiles
Zenyata
>Good Damage
>Slow as fuck
>Shitty health
>Needs to be somewhat close to heal and to debuff
>Shitty ult that needs everyone to stay close to him
Mercy
>Good heal and damage buff
>Good Ult
>Shitty damage
>Needs to have vision to her target to heal and to fly to it.
>Shitty walk speed
>Needs to switch weapons to do damage
Symetrya
>Can spam sentries and catch enemies of guard
>Has a teleporter Ult
>Teleporter doesn't last much and her ult can be charged while it is still up.
Sentries have 1hp life and explode by simply looking at it.
>Can give shield only 25hp of shield and she can only give it once
>Needs to be close to do damage
>shitty health
>Slow as fuck secondary that takes eons to charge and can be seen miles away
It's a no brainer to pick lucio unless you are in a really specific situation.
>>344446341
>Main tank since its almost never picked by anyone else in my games
>get a lucio who heals me for 2% of my health a minute
>or a mercy who would rather pocket her phara friend
>or a zenyatta
I just cant win
>>344455146
Lucio's not as great on defense, if the enemy team puts on a lot of pressure his healing won't be enough to keep most of the team alive. True Mercy can't heal everyone at once, but in my experience she does a better overall job of keeping most people alive.
>>344455146
Symmetra is in the support category, but she's not a support.
She's extremely strong in defending maps, and utter shit for every map, but you can't compare her to zen/lucio/mercy because she doesn't really support.
>>344455012
dat gyno
>>344455363
lucio amp heal heals a ton. The lucio should be near you anyways, and the mercy should heal the damage dealers unless they're all far away. If you tank correctly, a lucio heal should be good enough for you.
>>344452654
this
i like junkrat because I can get high and still piss people off.
>>344455712
>lucio amp heal heals a ton
yeah, when he's amped
>The lucio should be near you anyways
there's no guarantee ANY of your pub team mates will stick to the objectives
>mercy should heal the damage dealers unless they're all far away
yes, mercy should be healing anyone who's damaged and not just her one pal
>>344455925
>CUTE DOGG-
>otter
otterfags are the most cancerous part of the furry community
>>344455035
I get that. But honestly, in every game I've played, Lucio has done fuck all despite trying really hard. His ult is useful, but besides his ult and speed boost, he has nothing going for him.
>tfw got a quad kill as pharah without ult and POTG was stolen from me by another boring fucking bastion sitting in a corner and he only got 2 kills
>>344456484
>make some 10/10 plays
>potg goes to someone who killed one person then sprayed randomly to get 2 assists
>play Overwatch
>win some, lose some. Suddenly 3 loses in a row with retarded teammates.
>rage
>Ican'thandlethisshitnomore.iso
>uninstall
>play some single player games, having fun.
>think about Overwatch
>install again.
>win some, lose some. Suddenly...
This hell has no end.
>>344456164
Explain.
I think you meant to say diaper/scatfags.
>>344456164
>>344456834
The entire fucking group is leukemia.
Kill yourselves
>>344446341
Because I UNDERSTAND, UNDERSTAND the CONCEPT, the CONCEPT of LOVE.
Because he's fun as all fuck.
>>344451880
show me your fucking zenyatta stats
>>344456684
>>344456484
I got potg as Mercy earlier, 90% of me was just healing people then getting a 2 player rez at the very end, not even at a critical time.
>>344457102
Aw shit sohei, shots fired!
>>344449336
why surely you fucking jest
>>344446341
that arm crossing looks uncomfortable
Does no one here simply jump around the payload for days on defense to halt progress?
>>344455548
She's more of a Support Attacker than anything. Given that she's a mid ranged fighter with a weapon that doesn't need much aim once it latches to a target for very massive sustained damage, she would be better off in the Attack/Defense category. But with her health being 200, with half of it treated as shield stock, it can really mess her game up once enough people suppress fire her. Her secondary attack is good, 25 damage uncharged, and can be fired quick enough. The charged shot is really strong, and the slow projectile trip can serve as a trap, but people don't think about using it as a trap whenever they play Symmetra.
There's her E skill for Extra 25 Shielded Health for everyone, which lasts as long as she is on the field, and the target still alive, which also regenerates quickly seconds after being out of combat. Has nigh-instant cast and no cooldown, so it can be casted ASAP on spawn. Her LSHIFT Sentry Turrets attack in pretty much the same way as her primary attack option. The turrets only having one HP doesn't help much, but thems the breaks. She can only hold 3 charges and can have up to 6 turrets up. Turrets damage and slow targets, which gives the target enough time to take one down. They're good for stalling, if anything. Diverting fire for them to break free, and if your teammaters pay better attention, they can do a takedown on those near your turrets. It's not very situational, either. Since it can happen often.
Her ultimate being a placeable Teleporter is the big game changer in payload and attack missions. But it can easilly be destroyed once found by the enemy. Which is pretty annoying. With everything said, it can be seen why she's a Support character. Only her Primary and Secondary attacks are her only damage options, on top of Turret placement.
If she were to get a buff, I would make her secondary attack's fully charged projectile burst upon impact, doing a bit less damage than being the impact's target, with some knockback.
>>344451528
>Junkrat
>good player
Put the mouse under your foot and slam your head on the keyboard. There. You have a 12 player kill streak as Junkrat with 26 eliminations and 4 gold medals.
DAILY REMINDER THAT IF YOU SEE A GODLY WIDOWMAKER CROUCHING EVERYTIME SHE'S SHOOTING, SHE'S AIMBOTTING USING THE NEW RETARDED "UNDETECTABLE" HACKZCOMMUNITY AIMBOT.
Fucking scum, report them as soon as you see them.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=1rCc1fmPrbc
>>344448970
>11 hrs Junkrat
>19 hrs
>rank 47
>prestige rank 33 @ 19 HRS
hmmmmm
>>344451409
Actually you can
Because I don't care about being the beta support bitch and it's hard to kill shit as him.
>pick up OW kinda late
>no one picks support in low level solo queue so I occasionally go Lucio
>cards/PotG as Lucio all the time
>finally play with some friends ~40
>"Oh, Anon plays Lucio"
>play Lucio always with my friends
>become top percentile Lucio
>get added all the time for playing Lucio
>comp comes out
>play every single comp match as Lucio
>people ask me to play with them as Lucio
>now know as a top Lucio player
>tfw I fucking hate playing Lucio
>>344458382
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=9Sd-xyhPZXI
WE WERE SUPPOSED TO EXPECT THIS
WHY CAN''T BLIZZARD MAKE A FUCKING WORKING ANTICHEAT SYSTEM?
>>344446341
He's not my main because while he is objectively the best support, it means putting your life in the hands of absolute shitters. At least if I'm Rein I can make sure the objective is still being looked after
>>344458217
Only thing Symmetra would need is for the player to have the option to hold her charged shot while slowly expending ammunition to do so. That thing shoots like shit. Being able to hold the charge and throw it in the face of someone would be stupendous--not lessening the damage. At full charged it deals 125 damage. That is a motherfucker. Knockback is unnecessary for Hard Light technology when it can already eat through shields/barriers.
i play shooting games to shoot, not to jump around like a nigger listening to rap
>>344448970
>almost junkrat exlusively
>a measly 11k average dmg done
no wonder you're stuck in the trench with those numbers
>>344455925
>that image
>>344458767
It's not rap you uncultured fool
>>344458417
Comp time is separate from qp time
This comes up at least once a thread so please pay attention next time
>>344446341
SKATE FAST
EAT ASS
>>344455146
>Slow as fuck secondary that takes eons to charge and can be seen miles away
it takes 2 seconds to charge. Stop holding it past that point. It penetrates shields, so firing it against Reinhardt's shield is a fast way of getting your teleporter up
>>344455548
I've used her most of the day today on both attack and defense, you just have to navigate yourself differently rather than diving in.
>>344458217
Personally before I realized that it can go through shields, I thought that lightning could arc off of the orb, sorta like winston's primary. That way when you spam it, you can at least get a bit of damage off if they dodge late. However once I learned that it penetrates shields, it doesn't need that.
>>344456402
Git gud you ignorant fuck. The fact that you actually think speed boost is anything less than amazing speaks volumes of how dumb you are.
>>344458548
>being a literal cuck.
lmao @ your life
>>344458787
Not him, but if you have 2 other good DPS players on your team, they'll also do 10k+ in damage too so it's shared.
If a junkrat has to grind down a reinhardt on his own he'll have to do 500 damage or whatever, but if you have a Soldier and a Pharah you might all contribute 100-something damage
>>344458961
There's that word again, I don't think it means what you think it means
>>344458909
>using Symmetra on Attack
Thanks for making the game 5v7. Appreciate it.
>it's a "team blames Pharah for not being on the point for the loss even after she just forced a 4v6 because she got a double with Barrage"
>"so what if you have gold damage and eliminations, those don't win the game!"
>>344455146
>Mercy
>Shitty damage
Confirmed for under 20 hours of Mercy play
I actually find myself losing more matches with Mercy on my team than Lucio or Zenyatta now. The big problem I have with Mercy is that all she can do is heal. Lucio and Zenyatta can be dealing damage while also healing, with Lucio also being good for pushing objectives while Zenyatta can melt tanks. What can Mercy do? Revive everyone when they die because your team isn't putting out enough damage.
Her 50 HP a second healing is nice but it requires her to be with her heal target, so it only works out well if people are willing to fall back to safety, otherwise Mercy jets in to save one person and gets shot in the face and dies, and then everyone is without healing because she wanted to save one person who wouldn't pull back. The other two can just stay at a safe distance and still be able to help the guy who pushed in too far, and if he dies then oh well the medic is still alive.
I suppose in high level matches where everyone on the team has their shit together and you can rely on 3 people to wipe the other team with damage while the rest support them, Mercy is a good pick, but in most of my matches there's too much dead weight to have the Medic not dealing damage.
>>344459109
>setting up sentries on flanks
>setting up teleporters to get team back to the payload between checkpoints
>harassing widowmakers with her secondary
>reshielding D.Vas when they hop in/out of their mechs
Thanks for being a useless Hanzo
>>344456402
>I've only played with shitters
It's ok, a lot of people don't really get heroes because they've only played with retards. In the right hands lucio is great, and he's top tier in a premade when you're coordinating his speed boost
You can't underestimate his aoe healing in a full team fight when everyone's on the point. He can't really counter burst without his ult, but he adds a lot of longevity to a team who actually goes for objectives
Plus he has objectively the most fun movement in the game
>>344452132
No country outside of south America does any "schooling" on the skin colour of south Americans
PS, 95% of you are not white
>>344459430
Because that's not something you should have to learn in school to know...
>>344459163
They're right, why are there always idiots boasting about their medals or cards?
had you been on the point you could've forced an overtime but you only thought of yourself and the possibility of getting that l337 q POTG instead your team lost
>>344455363
Which tank are you playing? Roadhog and Zarya should have no healing woes since they only have 200/300 HP that needs to be healed by a medic, Reinhardt can keep his shield up to buy time while being healed, and Winston and D.va can just find medpacks with their mobility.
>>344459163
yeah that's 100% your fault if you force a fight where you lost a control point.
>>344449386
>Lucio is for people that don't like shooting people in FPS games
No, that's Mercy and Winston.
>>344446341
I main Rein because I fantasize about him manhandling me while he fucks me.
>>344459397
I've never had a Symmetra do this in my 100+ levels. You can understand why I'm skeptical.
>>344451738
league players are definitely the biggest retards in the universe.
he's only a good pick of there's good enemy roadhogs and no s76/widows/genjis.
>>344459397
>>harassing widowmakers with her secondary
widow can scoped strafe out of the way by the time that thing gets within a mile of her
>>344451417
Depends on the map tbqh. I'd take a good Lucio over a good Mercy on a King of the Hill map any day, and I could go either way on attack maps.
>>344459397
>symmetra AND a d.va on attack
Ahahahahaahahha
>harassing widowmakers with her secondary
Take one step to right or left, you only have 7 seconds to react to it as well
>setting up teleporters to get team back to the payload between checkpoints
jesus christ i thought you used her on control points but on fucking payload?
how is the games in sub 50?
>>344459430
No one does schooling on skin colors.
Knowing that shit is a byproduct of studying history, if you're not a retard.
>>344459397
Holy fuck I was browsing the front page and I just had to enter this thread to tell you how fucking awful all of that is and why you should stop playing symmetra
>setting up sentries on flanks
They are fragile as fuck. If you manage to get one person then he will just come back and destroy your nest if his team didn't see it already. And it takes a long time to set up more than 3 turrets unlike say, tobjorn.
>setting up teleporters to get team back to the payload between checkpoints
This is the only real utility of symmetra, but guess what? It's her ultimate. That's the least a hero can do, have a useful ultimate. Which is funny, since it's a very occasional ultimate.
>harassing widowmakers with her secondary
Her secondary is slow as fuck and it takes forever to charge. If a widowmaker gets hit by it she deserves to die. Your best bet to hit someone with this is to shoot it at a blob of players.
>reshielding D.Vas when they hop in/out of their mechs
If you have a d.va on your team on top of a symmetra then the game is already lost. That's all there is to say about this.
>>344451738
If he was actually good he would have been picked at least a single time in the last tournament.
>>344446341
>play a ranked match
> enemy team has 4 reins 2 lucios
>>344459380
>I actually find myself losing more matches with Mercy on my team than Lucio or Zenyatta now.
Bless Mercy's soul and Mercy players but more often than not if we can't push the payload or we're having difficulty contesting a point and we have a Mercy on the team I immediately look at Mercy. If we're doing competently and she's assisting and shit then more power to her but if we're collectively struggling because we're weak as a unit I feel Mercy should either swap out to Lucio or a damage-dealing character. They never do.
Then I look at the Hanzo/Widowmaker. I let go raging at them because I'll go into Quick-Play with the intent of practicing my aim with those characters so I know other people do it. But Jesus fucking Christ have some awareness and switch if we're getting continuously pushed back and your k/d is 5-3 at best.
>>344458692
But the knockback + damage keeps her safer. And her primary mid-range combat can have her surrounded in most offensive scenarios. As for the lesser damage, I meant from the blast burst, not from the point blank impact, which would still be the 125 damage received. Her weapon's ammo is 100 per reload, and her secondary uses up to 20 per charged shot. Would be great if she could hold the shots like a Mega Man character. Maybe even diminishing the ammo (80 instead of the full 100) reloaded until you shoot it. She has OCD, right? Timing shots like that should be a plus with on-command released charged shots. Or else, her and the player would sperg in frantic combat scenarios.
Another buff for her would be for the turrets. Either they get 3 HP with all damage recieved reduced to 1, acting like DQ's Metal Slimes. That, or boosting the number of live turrets to 10, with an aditional Turret stock charge. So that you can place 4 at a time.
>>344459791
>using Reinhardt
>not getting the support you need
>panicking softly when Zarya and two other enemy opponents begin to close in and you either have to commit or have your shit broken
>>344456402
>in every game I've played
Wow, it's amazing how many people think that their own personal experiences are what determine fact. Did you ever stop to think that maybe, just maybe, what you are personally experiencing isn't everything in the world?
I live in a peaceful country with a low crime rate, but I also understand that war happens a lot in this world. Why? Because the millions and millions of people who say that it's happening are probably more accurate than what I can see with my own two eyes.
>>344456402
yea, except lucio makes your team not die.
you just have more health than the enemy team total so you just kill them with superior stats.
>>344446341
>main
>>344448970
pretty good if I say so myself
>>344460302
>Either they get 3 HP with all damage recieved reduced to 1
absolute nightmare for some characters and gives winston yet another reason to be picked
>>344460302
Alright. I'm convinced. But not about the turret thing because I'm having difficulty understanding your proposal. You want each turret to have 3 HP and deal 1 damage? What's the purpose of the minor health raise if they can still be one-shot?
>>344459764
>>344459595
you are memeing to the highest degree.
if I create an advantageous situation where in by, my team only has to deal with 4 or less heroes because I got the pick up, AND I am still alive, it is not even 1 iota of my fault when they fail to hold the point
>>344446341
Lucio is broken because he can heal himself at ridiculous rates (especially with E) while jumping around to avoid enemy fire.
>>344460773
idiot. it's not advantageous if your team is not prepared to fight the enemy. think for once in your life about something other than frags. It's very easy to 4v6 in this game with the right heroes. And you being nowhere near the point apparently shows your lack of game sense.
>>344460789
Tracer, Mei, Roadhog and at least two characters can still delete him competently. But good god do I hate chasing down a fucking Lucio as Reaper and having that faggot heal back all of the damage I'm dealing at range as he peppers me for 64 damage per burst or worse--uses his alt+fire to render me even more worthless.
Alt+fire getting bumped up to 5-6 seconds could be a game changer. 4 is horse shit.
>>344459837
understandable. Most other Symmetras i see are pretty useless
>>344459937
they can, but i've given a widowmaker enough trouble that they missed a genji closing in on them for the kill. It happens more than you realize.
>>344459942
>symmetra and d.va
I've won quite a few games today that way with randoms. D.Va jumps in with winston, I tp the others in. Not that hard to figure out
>how's the games in sub 50?
Even if I am sub 50, i've been playing games against 60s and 70s all day. Don't understand why people don't want to cut down running time between checkpoints and the payload. Even if 2 people teleport in, if they got the payload to the next checkpoint, its worthwhile. Not to mention I get it refunded anyway, so I can place another quickly.
>>344460020
>They are fragile as fuck
yeah, 1hp, but they good for alerting you to flanks. Even if they don't kill the enemy, you still get a marker telling you that someone is there.
>secondary takes forever to charge
stop looking at the animation. It takes 2 seconds to completely charge and fire
>>344459017
i hope you don't believe those 11k dmg is damage done to enemy characters only. Barriers and shields count as well and junkrat easily gets absurd amount of damage against reinhardt because of his shield. I only have s76 played in comp and i have 17k average, literally no excuse for this junkrat
>>344459215
>100 dps
>good
only the ridiculous hit box makes up for it.
Why most Lucio I play with almost never wallride ? Jetset radioing is so fun.
>>344459697
I play all of them anon
>Reinhardt
Flanking heroes like Tracer can easily sneak up behind and do good damage to you, and if you ever drop your shield to hit someone, or it breaks, then you're going to take a lot of damage since everyone is shooting at you anyway.
>Roadhog
He's the most self sufficient but when I say "Im usually the tank" I mean "Im usually THE tank" and he is a bad solo tank so I try not to pick him unless there's some how another tank on the team. Not to mention most enemies will usually follow me for free ulti charge if I try and back off to heal
>D.va
See above. Also, her mobility is great but her mech is pretty easy to kill.
>Zarya
She's my most played, and its true that being able to regen half her health has kept me in fights but that means I have to back off and wait for 10 seconds before I can go back.
>Winston
Honestly, I do play him but no where near as much as the others, so I won't claim Im great with him, but his barrier isn't much of a defensive tool as it used to be and while his jump is good you can get screwed over with it indoors and his hitbox is huge so I often find myself getting shot out of the air
Sometimes it feels like, as a Tank, Im just being punished for being out in front
>>344460750
what the FUCK. WHAT WAS YOUR PLACEMENT? DID YOU RAGE LEAVE EVERY MATCH IN YOUR PLACEMENTS?
I made the mistake of leaving 2 and my internet fucked up on another (before the patch) So i unfortunately got placed in 43 but worked my way out of sub 50>>344460750
>>344460771
3HP with all damage recieved reduced to 1. They'd need to be 3-shotted that way. But I guess that would be more annoying to some characters, so I guess having 2HP would be better, as that other anon said.
>>344460989
why would be getting 2 pickoffs force them to go in, a Pharah can do that AND MORE and escape without needing any sort of backup
and besides my scenario is more revolving around defense, if you aren't reading to make that last final hold you deserve to lose
>>344461018
>Don't understand why people don't want to cut down running time between checkpoints and the payload.
pick lucio instead and now you got a character that can do something besides shooting slow golf balls. She can be usefull on control points but kill yourself if you think she's useful on payload attack
>>344461551
>last checkpoint
>longest distance attackers have to push
>lucio amps up
>pushes you forward for a few seconds
>still have to run the rest of the way
>teleport instead
>right behind the payload in seconds
get off the lucio dick anon. I know its hard, but you can do it.
>>344461529
so you're gonna double down on being an idiot, huh? very well. thanks for always being that one guy out of position.
>>344460351
damn this nigga mad
>>344461686
>lucio speed boost only works when amped
>teleporter existing for more than 2 seconds when placed aggressively
i mean if you're playing below 50 then i guess it works.
>maining
>anything
>in
>2016
>>344461458
I threw literally all of first 10 placement matches and got 38
and this point im gonna have to get a friend, its actually getting hard to throw these matches everyone is so bad
my most kills was as a battle mercy that got silver damage and gold everything else
>>344446341
I prefer Mercy if I can join with at least one person I know is good to tank or put out heavy damage. Only Lucio for pugs because they rarely put out decent damage or protect their healers.
>sudden death
>defend
>some idiot picks the poo
>>344461779
>make an impactful and game winning play
>leave it up to team to close it out
>this makes me an idiot
>>344446341
He is a worse healer by a small margin.
>>344462009
>picking off the 2 straggling idiots on their team
>game winning play
obviously not. if you're as good as you are saying you are you should be fighting the good players not the other out of position idiots.
He's____________________fun____________________
>>344461893
>placing your teleporter aggressively
>not placing your teleporter in an area where it would make most impact
you don't have to place it directly in front of the enemy. There are many side paths on every map that few people tend to ever look. Place it in a corner, and put your sentries in the room in front of it, and typically that's enough. Come out of the area from a different spot, not to arouse suspicion and push with your team any way you can.
>>344462120
i feel weird
>tfw mei and roadhog are my absolute favs to play when i can and i always do my part with them
>in rank 60+
I guess I am the 5%. I do pick healers etc when i gotta though
He's not just the best healer, but also the funnest character to play as.
There's no greater satisfaction I have when I see a POTG come up with me soundblasting some roadhogs off the map.
And circling around the payloads/KOTH while grinding on walls as the enemy team desperately tries to shoot you is hilarious.
>>344462120
Teams use Mercy not because she's a better healer. They use her for her rez.
>>344462427
I want to watch a replay of this game
That would be true if Mercy's ult wasn't literally broken. Lucio has more utility because of speed boost, but as long as Mercy has rez and gets it as insanely fast she does she'll always be better for pushing a point.
Lucio is king on KOTH though.
>>344462513
This is what it felt like
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=_kz6s5Yi5Ns
Why doesn't Mercy have an E ability?
>>344462927
her e is alt fire.
>>344446341
He's my main because no other fucker will play him and I'd rather win than play as a character I enjoy more and lose
>Playing Lucio on Night Market
>Our team stacked on point with no ults
>Speed boost team out of Hanzo ultimate
>Immediately sound barrier as the Enemy Genji ults in
>Reaper DIE DIE DIE-ve bombs us but gets pushed into the corner before he hits the ground
>Not a single teammate dies
And then there was salt. So much salt.
[Spoiler]potg was a shitty junkrat tire
>>344463092
>stacked on point no ults
>sound barrier
mmkay sunshine you sound like a real impressive player you have impressed anonymous people with your stories
>>344460750
>rank 19
>>344461007
>asking for a nerf to make reaper even MORE effective
jesus christ anon
>>344458596
besides that first shot it doesnt even look like an aimbot. I genuinely wouldnt be able to tell
>>344462120
Where do these stats come from?
>>344459067
you are getting cucked out of the fun roles.
the people you play with are the big strong bulls
your fav characters is your girl
and you are the wimpy little cuck in the corner jerking his ween
he used it right f a m
>>344461007
Wait a fucking second. Are you, a reaper player, seriously complaining about Lucio being overpowered against you? Please tell me you are joking.
Reminser that this game should get rid of all supports and give characters passive heals, as well as removing health packs.
Who wants to jump around and hide behind corners holding left click to heal while all your teammates have fun? Therea a reason no one plays healers in pubs
>>344451243
Zenyatta does TONS of damage and is actually really good at killing Lucio, tanks and other characters that are hard to kill. His Orb of discord + headshot kills most of the characters in 1 hit.
>>344462418
they only get "bad" at the TOP level, and by that i mean you have a clan and is going to a tournament
the balance in this game is great so far
>>344463525
>>344463805
>complaining about reaper when lucio and mercy are the two most used characters in the game
lucio needs nerfs
>>344463929
>Therea a reason no one plays healers in pubs
So you don't play Overwatch then do you? Even below average ranked games don't have issues with healers, only really low ranked games and quick play shitters have that issue.
I think alot of problems with this game would be fixed if they just added ammo packs to the maps and got rid of infinite ammo.
Ammo values would have to be modified obviously tho.
Also d.va should be able to fly and shoot at the same time.
>>344464319
If you nerf Lucio, you will get more Mercy. One of the two is flat out required, and both is often a very solid pick; they're not overused because they're better than everyone else, they're overused because they are the only two in a mandatory niche.
>>344447629
>yes zen is trash deal with it.
And he will stay trash even with buff because "le glass cannon"
>>344464348
>added ammo packs to the maps and got rid of infinite ammo
Why
>>344464569
To stop spam
>>344464319
>why does a game around killing each other have a such high rate for using the only two good healers?
It is a mystery anon
>>344464754
Junkrat's not that hard to deal with, anon
>Just finished a game where we hold the point on Ilios with Bastion
>Three time in a row
>Was Lucio
>Rank 62 in comp
>Mfw during this whole shit
>got the game late
>finally got to level 25 for comp play
>get through my first five placement matches with ease
>everyone on my team is coordinated, motivated, and willing to do what it takes to win
>get to match six
>get outskilled by a slim margin
>"well whatever we lost by so little, can't win them all"
>go into match seven
>matched with complete retards instalocking their "mains"
>refuse to switch to match the other team's comp (who were stacking the shit out of roadhogs)
>finally break through that bullshit and get on the point
>everyone else is sniping from the sidelines not even attempting to cap
>get stomped
>same story for matches 8 and 9
>get into match 10, everything looks better
>team is at least trying to coordinate and pick counters/heros that are good for the map
>get choked at first turn
>everyone immediately goes to "their main" and can't break through
>"30 seconds remain"
>can't even leave the spawn because enemy is having such an easy time they go full bastion just to wipe it in
>just decide fuck it and quit before the match ends
>end up at rank 54 because of bullshit match making pairing me up with literal retards
i thought competitive was supposed to end this
>>344446341
>76% lucio Winrate
>Rank 60
Why is he so gud?
>>344464930
He's annoying and brain dead when he can just spam behind a wall, he's really fun. but it's dumb.
>>344446341
The entire fucking game revolves around Mercy ults.
>>344465209
>two retards instalock genji in a comp match Hanamura
>entire team says fuck it and we have 5 genjis and lucio
>think we'll get destroyed
>practically %100 uptime in reflect
>enemy can't touch us at all
>constant RYUJIN NO etc
>take first point in <1 min, second point a minute later>still don't rank up because one of the enemy leaves right before the end and we get chump change
>>344465438
He forces you to rely on tanks more
It's ok for a character to make you change your playstyle
>>344446341
I started maining Lucio because no one ever goes healer.
Though i also enjoy 76, pharah, widow, amd reinhardt. D.va will be my main when they decide to make her useful. Just give her an alt fire long range projectile.
>>344446341
He is my main. I know I am solely responsible for my teams victory, I constantly have to save teammates for certain death, I have to push back clusters of the opposing team, and always drop the beat to stop a rush or a kill all ult.
It kind of sucks being stuck to one class but not many people play him well.
>Kingsrow
>Enemy team win by a fucking ass hair with Overtime shenanigans
>Our turn to attack
>Roll over them completely, cart never stop
>Coin flip of bullshittery
>They attack
>They stack winston, lucio, reaper, tracer and other bullshit
>They win by the fucking ass hair again with Overtime
I wouldn't give half a shit about the coin flip if overtime didn't reset everytime Tracer drop one of her pubic hair on it everytime.
>Hurr durr we're removing Coin flip next season
REMOVE IT NOW YOU DENSE FUCKS, SHIT'S RUNING EVERYTHING FOR TOO MANY BLOKES
>>344467484
so? every composite or just vanilla payload map is always offense favored, but they have less than 2 mins to actually cap it
its not bad at all
>>344468106
>absolute stomp is considered the same as just scraping in
It's shit. Coin flip is completely pointless because you can use the cap time
>>344453219
Mercy is good at keeping people alive, but Lucio can kill other people will healing, which is somewhat rare (I bumrush enemy Mercys all the time and shoot them in the face), but a huge step up from Mercy who has switch animations and slightly less DPS, due to a slower melee.
>>344463805
Never said he was overpowered. I just hate that, at a distance and when using one particular character that heals faster than I can damage, Lucio can survive. Winston is supposed to be able to delete Lucio in 3.5 seconds of continuous fire but that 3.5 easily turns into 5 or 6 or, my favorite, just long enough for someone to run over and get in my way.
>>344468910
>I can't kill everyone just by looking at them so they need a nerf
reaper players, everybody
Why is 76 ez mode in this game?
>>344453843
Started at 46, had a losing streak that took me down to 41, slowly started climbing back up, now I've been stuck on 44 for a while.
>>344469106
Jack of all trades, master of none.
It's very hard to do badly with him unless you straight up can't even bodyshot people.
>>344469106
>Self-sustain
>good range
>amazing from a vantage point
>helix rocket giving him burst
>one of the few characters with movement options in sprint.
He's just all around good.
>>344448970
>>344460750
>47
>19
so it's true, /v/ really is bad at videogames
>>344446341
>lucio for offense
>mercy for defense
>speed and sound armor to stampede through
>revives and fast heals for defending point
It's just that simple
I really wish we were at the point where support class got 2 more heros and every other class got 1 so we can actually have variety. This is like when hearthstone first came out and we were stuck with the same old cards and decks for fucking ever.
>>344455146
youre right for the most part except mercy is better on defense in almost all situations
>>344465438
He's brain-dead, yeah. All he needs is a hit to his damage and he'll be more balanced.
Also his Steel Trap needs to be able to be shot by whomever it ensnares so they can escape it. I'm also not a fan of it needing to be pumped full of lead to be destroyed by whatever. Damage could stand to be lowered, too.
>>344467484
>ass hair
>ass hair
>pubic hair
do you like hair anon?
>>344446341
cuz he's a nigger
>>344469058
>you're not allowed to have an opinion
Found the faggot.
>>344470374
>Not using Lucio to contest the payload for days
casual
>cuckports think they matter
