Why can't Bethesda create good dialogue or stories these days?
I remember Morrowind having great, memorable dialogue, what went wrong?
>>344442827
>I remember Morrowind having great, memorable dialogue,
That's nostalgia
>>344442827
Morrowind's dialogue was pretty shitty and the heavy reuse of dialogue left you with signpost NPCs with next to no personality. People just jerk off to Morrowind's lore.
>>344443270
>>344443303
Did you fags never talk to the sixth house NPCs?
"streamlining"
i get the feeling now that companies are so big, they have writers doing quests, and devs just building it. where as a smaller company (ie beth back when mw was a thing), the devs were probably writing their own shit as well.
beth has become that giant company where cubical separate sections instead of everyone mingling. the sheer size of a company can directly impact quality in the end. see other franchises and ea for examples.
>>344442827
Morrowind didn't have astounding dialog in a literary sense of speech, or how you interacted using it, or how that interaction was presented (although I liked it) but what it conveyed was pretty awesome a lot of the time. (disregarding the in game books, they were pretty well written all around)
>>344442827
well the best game on there had nothing to do with bethesda.
>>344443980
As much as I like Morrowind, no it did not have memorable dialogue. The only interesting chat you have is with Vivec. You could probably count on one hand all the characters in the game that had any semblance of a personality. Everyone else is just an info dump.
What the fuck was up with James in Fallout 3? Nothing he did made any sense
His wife dies so he immediately drops everything to go live in a vault?
>>344448305
He wants a better life for his child.
My main issue is why the Vault let him in.
>>344446054
Hello obsidrone
>>344442827
That's a funny way of spelling Oblivion.
Morrowind did some things better but it sure as hell wasn't dialogue.
>>344448515
iirc They desperately needed a doctor, and he was the only one they could get asap.
>>344442827
FO3 and 4 dialogue examples are fine, but that's some heavy nitpicking on NV. By that time post-apocalypse people pretty much forgot about gods and religion for the most part, so the courier's question is a legit one
>>344448741
Did they just not decide to train Jonas?
>>344442827
Fallout 3 dialogue was okay in my opinion. Not great, but in most cases I didn't really have serious issues with it.
Dialogues in Fallout 4 however were total shit. I still have no idea what were they thinking.
>>344449206
Jonas was a maintenence scientist, medical work wouldn't really be up his alley, especially not after the G.O.A.T. chose his fate in the vault.
>>344448802
>By that time post-apocalypse people pretty much forgot about gods and religion for the most part
Not really. Most people in the wasteland are at least tangentially familiar with the countless tribal religions, and that's how most normally treat the Canaanites - unusually educated, well-armed tribals with a wacky religion.
Considering through dialogue the Courier can state he'd been through Utah before, he should be familiar with their basic schtick.
>>344449432
The courier is a well traveled man/woman and has probably heard of the ways of Canaanites, but that doesn't mean he knows about concepts such as god or praying (which tribal religions don't necessarily cover as such)
It's also safe to assume by things such as asking Cass "what the fuck is a fish?" when she mentions one, or asking ED-E "what's a Chicago?". The world changed, and what's every day knowledge right now, even if it doesn't disappear, may not be common place anymore
They fucked up by having a voiced protagonist. That was the final nail in the "Is Fallout actually an RPG anymore?" coffin. The whole point of an RPG is that you create a unique character to play around with. Fallout 4 was one step away from being Borderlands.
Everything is shit now.
We should get a new hobby, who wants to go hiking with me?
>>344450137
Only if I can take my phone and catch Pokemon
>>344450014
Whe whole point of a Role Playing Game is playing a role, be it a character you make, or a premade one (the Witcher is a RPG, and yet you play a premade Geralt you can very slightly deviate from his common path)
Fallout 4 was shit, tho, not gonna counter that point
>>344450014
Being able to make a character is a neat bonus, it doesn't necessarily define what an RPG is.
>>344450186
>>344450270
Eh what I meant to articulate was that RPGs are supposed to have options for your character, so that they can become a unique person. Fallout 4 gives you at max 4 options, but 90% of the time it's actually just two options at the end.
The original Fallouts operated under the idea that there were multiple ways out of every situation. Guns blazing, sneak past, talk your way out of it, etc. Fallout 4 (and 3 to an extent) scrapped all of that and basically just gave you more options of how to kill people.
Idk, I enjoy playing Fallout 4 because I like the lore and stuff, but it's essentially just an openworld shooter like Far Cry or something.
>>344450726
That I definitely agree with, the options are fucking bullshit, watered down to
>Yes
>Sarcastic yes
>More info
>I'll come back later
>>344450726
This I can completely agree with. The "yes, sarcastic yes, no(yes), I'll come back later" trend is killing the genre
What's actually sad about FO4 is not just how half assed it feels, it's just that as soon as you find something you may think is good, it comes to a dead end and the game dangles some other piece of shit in front of your face to distract you with
>>344450941
>>344450984
>>344451135
Are you me?
>>344451186
Go to bed, son
>>344451252
But it's 9 am dad, I don't wanna be a vampire
>>344450941
>>344450984
I think they were trying to take a page out of Bioware's book. They have a story they want you to follow, and they don't necessarily want you to deviate much from it. It takes a lot less work (Voice acting, writing, and time) to only have 4 options. And even then, I've noticed some NPCs share exact lines, and the protagonist will repeat himself even outside of bartering and stuff.
>>344442827
Bethesda realized that their half-assed shit sells just as well/better, as long as they spend enough on marketing and hype.
So story and dialogue are just churned out as something that's necessary, instead of something the devs actually want in the game.
The other big problem is voiced player-characters and the massively limiting factor they are on the writing. Remember all the controversial stuff you could talk about in the old Fallout games? No time and budget for that in 4, so the only thing we get is neutral dialogue-advancing text.
They could remove all the dialogue options from Fallout 4 and it would barely make a difference.
>>344442827
>more same-y dialogue is a good thing
please. fallout 4 cut out the fat and tedium.
>>344451334
>I don't wanna be a vampire
>>344451441
not like dialogue matters much anyhow. it's all just inconsequential and delivered in the same flat voices.
>>344451512
But fallout 4's dialog is literally the definition of samey
As in it's all exactly the same
>>344448540
not sure if b8 or just retarded.
>>344443270
That is nostalgia. there was no great dialogue in morrowind, it was just revolutionary in it's time.
>>344442827
>Cherrypicking, the picture.
HATE DIALOGUE
>>344451734
Not if it involves mask rape
Obligatory
>>344452115
This is a pretty funny dialogue in general honestly.
Are you still mad that Todd could even think of such a blunder?
>>344452358
I need to find an artist who will let me comission Piper scat.
>>344452358
Post the rest
>>344452502
That's about it. and the Artist was conscripted so we won't be seeing anything for a few more weeks.
>>344452457
Kill yourself
>>344452457
>>344442827
Honestly most of Morrowinds dialogue was pants, you had a few really good bits but for the most part the lorebooks, the setting, the art direction and the storyline itself do most of the heavy lifting necessary to make the game great.
wtf, I hate Morrowind now
>>344448515
But that's deeply retarded, he wanted a better life for his child so he carries said child through most of DC rather than just wandering over to Rivet City which is safe, secure and a stones throw away.
>>344442827
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=G8akM5pAlNg
To be honest bethesda seems to have a hard time making anything related to roleplaying and the story is not the only problem. In fallout 3 your options for roleplaying were based around if you wanted to be a saint or an evil bastard for no reason. Making builds was also really streamlined since at the end game everyone pretty much had maxed every skill and even every special. In fallout 4 they make this even worse with a voiced protag and no level cap. There's not much room for roleplay other than very specific choices that barely matter and are usually very binary. It's just an action adventure survival game now with bare minimum role playing elements.
>>344453415
>minimum role playing elements
as it should be. This is 2016, we dont need to imagine things, we can just put them directly in the game, like the voiced protag for example.
>>344453839
There's more to roleplay than just that. Try making an unarmed or melee character in Fallout 4 and tell me how far you can get before you get your teeth kicked in
>>344453839
Ohh, the grim future...
>>344448802
People still know of the Roman Empire though. That knowledge isn't even limited to people like House, or Caesar, that bartender in Goodsprings knows about the Roman Empire
So how is it that the Courier is unaware of the Roman Empire's most lasting contribution to the world?
>>344450941
Thing is it isn't just dialogue that's like that it's the gameplay too, almost every quest amounts to "kill these dudes", which is fine of course, not every game can be New Vegas or Deus Ex but so rare is it that you are able to go about completing an objective through any means other than going in guns blazing or playing the sneak sniper that they may as well just give up all pretense of being an RPG.
An RPG can have minimal dialogue options and a variety of gameplay options or it can have minimal gameplay options and great dialogue but the minute you minimize your options in both areas is the minute your game ceases to be an RPG.
As is if Fallout 4 is an RPG then San Andreas is too.
>>344454010
>unarmed or melee character
I get what you mean.
Its probably just me and others like me who didnt really liked fallout before (until the 3 at least) and wants more action than actual blabla. I know I'm not into roleplay like you guys, but at the same time, I think they are trying to please the fps audience more now, and also simplify quest and choices to not bore "us".
>>344454204
Sunny Smiles does comment on the Legion if you ask her as "some guys with funny names, something from a very old empire of the old world". The fact they heard of things doesn't mean they know the specifics. It took the people who actually knows about it some extense book reading to figure it out
Shit, look at the Kings of Freeside for instance. They're copying some guy who they don't even know who he was, what he did or what he was like, but they found his clothes and some records and decided to go for it because why the fuck not. The fact it's known doesn't mean it's understood
>>344442827
>I remember Morrowind having great, memorable dialogue,
Are you shitting me? its my favourite TES game but the dialogue in it is shit
>>344443980
>taunt the daedra
>taunt the daedra
>taunt the daedra
>great dialogue
way to prove him right anon
>>344452115
>>344454584
Is Todd tall enough to be a police officer, even?
>>344454204
Because the courier is supposed to be a character of yours for the MOST part. If he doesn't know shit about the Roman empire than bam he doesn't know shit about them, Plus people could just know the name but not really the contributions or specifics.
Does anyone have those failed skill checks from New Vegas?
>>344453839
You're the reason why videogames are becoming shit.
Kill yourself.
I wonder if the Catholic Church is still around
I imagine Ghoul bishops and priests would be in demand because of apostolic succession
>>344454806
Some religions from before the war are around. But probably altered heavily from the lack of source material or affects of the world around them.
>>344454767
you're the reason why videogames were books
>>344454767
If you want interesting dialogue read a fucking book
>>344453839
Quality bait.
>>344454918
>>344454938
>READING IS DUM GUISE XD
You forgot your snapback.
Because while Morrowind and Oblivion did well, Skyrim was a monumental hit with normies, despite the fact that the previous two games had also been on console.
Skyrim was also massively dumbed down in terms of skills, magic and dialogue. Clearly, Beth had found the way to make bigbucks by moving forward in the same direction as Skyrim; that is, away from roleplaying and complexity and writing because all of those things are for nerds and not the "Call of Duty audience" that they want.
The chad who gets a Skyrim tattoo and thinks it's "epic" does not have time to read or even listen to dialogue and will drop a game with too much confusing gay magic. So, to appeal to the bigger bucks, they struck all the skills/perks/traits from FO and clumped them together into one thing, essentially forcing everyone to play the same way, elliminated all ability for rolayplay with voiced dialogue and no branching quest paths, and wrote a plot more full of holes than a colander, knowing that the plot only matters as a method of telling chad to go to a new place.
Beth is dead to me and I've long since moved on. Shame they got FO from Interplay. It could have continued to be a good series.
>>344454204
The mere presence of a dialogue option does not decide what your Courier does or does not know, if you decide that your Courier is famialar with religion then you simply don't select a dialogue option that suggests otherwise unless you decide that your Courier is lying/bluffing or simply furthering the conversation by playing dumb.
>>344453839
>>344442827
They probably can. It just they dont care. I mean... their games sells a lot with shit dialog, shit gameplay, shit graphics, etc. Why bother?
>>344455416
wanting a different medium to be the same is dumb. what's next, not enough dialogue in music? do you want music to be books?
>>344443980
>After I kill you, I will rape your corpse
>Goodbye
>>344454010
I beat the game with unarmed combat.
>>344454918
>>344454938
I know it's probably bait, but it's hard to tell when people legitimately feel this way.
>>344455430
it doesnt surprise me. In the past years, gaming exploded on console and pc, and suddently everyone was gaming instead of the said nerd only.
Thus a lot of franchise got casualized. Beth is a good example with their franchises, but the same is true for Blizzard and others.
Basically there's just too much people and we get feed marvel-movie tier and Michael bay-tier games.
>>344455872
back to plebbit with you
>>344455746
Audiobooks are a thing though.
You wouldn't play something like guitar hero expecting mathematics, you wouldn't play call of duty expecting to read a novel, so why play an RPG with no text? What role are you playing with no room for character development?
>>344455872
Why would it be bait? This is the perfect medium for action packed adventures, while book is perfect to, you know, have extensive descriptions and interactions.
I dont mean that there should be no games doing this, just that we finally got to the point where we dont NEED to do this in a game.
>>344456178
>interactions
between the characters of course.
>>344455889
I would be remiss to imply that Beth's dialogue has ever been stellar, but the writing and lore has been great since Daggerfall, up until Skyrim. Oblivion was the turning point. But, at least they used to try. They never produced an RPG with dialogue on the level of Fallout 1/2 or Planescape, but they did quality work and even if the dialogue wasn't stellar, the overall writing was pretty great.
But, you're right in likening it to Marvel movies. I enjoy them but I'm a great big comic fag and it's not the same thing. One is clearly produced for wider audiences. The movies are like overly saccharine, fleeting, candy while a good older or indie comic is a fucking steak dinner. inb4 food metaphor.
How did Vault-Tec build a vault for FEV testing five years before FEV existed
>>344456158
>>344456178
>liking well-written is plebbit now
Summer is real
Prpbbaly the same reasons they sell dlc season passes with 'no idea how much content there will be, so you just gotta buy it!'
They want your dosh and they don't give a fuck about you.
>>344456663
No matter what you say or think, someone will reply to you calling your opinion stupid and wrong, because it will incite a reaction. This is how bait works.
>>344456178
The first games created were nothing but words and "extensive descriptions and interactions." you faggot.
Guess rhythm games shouldn't exist because if you want music just listen/play music :^)
>>344456946
>The first games created were nothing but words and "extensive descriptions and interactions." you faggot.
this is EXACTLY what I said. that NOW we dont need to do this, we are way pass this era.
>>344456552
>lore has been great since Daggerfall, up until Skyrim
a lot of the lore shown in Skyrim has been established well before the game was released, there are no major retcons of any sort in it, you are either "merely pretending" or never actually payed any attention to lore at all
>>344457057
>that NOW we dont need to do this, we are way pass this era.
With really shitty plots and writing?
>>344457273
>plots and writing
accessory to good action. You cant tell me that you didnt find Fallout 4 better in that regard than its predecessor.
>>344456606
Research on FEV started in 2073 (War in 2077 for reference) so I think their bullshit way of explaining it was that a prototype was sent to a vault in DC for testing.
But here's the thing, The FEV only created supermutants because exposure to radiation mutated it.
Beth's writing is fucked either way.
>>344457057
How could we ever be "past" extensive descriptions and interactions?
How can a person ever consider a more extensive in-game interaction a bad thing in any shape or way?
>>344457057
>We shouldn't focus on quality dialogue in video games because that's not out medium
>We shouldn't care if a video game has good music because that's not our medium
>We shouldn't care if a video game has good art because that's not our medium.
>>344457404
Ok man, you just gave away your bait now, good effort nonetheless.
>>344457404
But I don't play RPGS for the combat you fucking casual
>>344457137
Where did I say ANYTHING about retcons? They just added nothing new, as you said and lore doesnt fucking matter any more because, as I said, they have no reason to care about it. The most interesting shit is the soft canon stuff Kirkbride wrote about it.
Are you merely pretending or can you just not read?
>>344456552
Skyrim has some decent lore, such as Alduin and the Dragonborn actually being figments of a god who has schizo and is hurting himself or however the fuck that goes
The problem with Bethesda's newer games is that the management is in it only for the money so it's left to the actual devs to implement creativity wherever they can
>>344457558
>Ok man, you just gave away your bait now, good effort nonetheless.
What bait, you honestly think Fallout 4 combat is inferior to Fallout 3 for example?
>>344442827
Is it me or does Fallout 4 has the most retarded plot of all time?
Like I know 3 story is bad but this one it's beyond terrible
>>344457674
>They just added nothing new
wrong
>and lore doesnt fucking matter any more because, as I said, they have no reason to care about it
yet they still clearly do care about it, because they followed it
>>344457416
But human testing in Mariposa didn't start until the same year of the war. That is when West Tek's FEV program was moved from The Glow facilities to Mariposa.
And the logs in Vault 87 specifically mention pressure from Mariposa to conduct human experimentation in Vault 87. So all of this would had to have happened in 2077.
So not only did Vault 87 receive a completely different strain of FEV that doesn't require the dipping process to produce super mutants, but it sat there in the Vault for years until human testing actually began the year of the Great War.
Or something. I could be wrong.
Fuck its hard to attempt to examine all this shit.
>>344457967
>yet they still clearly do care about it
Explain TESO then
What if they let Kirkbride write all major lore for TES?
>>344442827
Seeing this just makes me wish for EnderAL to get an English release already.
And wishing for that just makes me want to play Nehrim.
And playing Nehrim just makes me want to play Gothic.
And playing Gothic just makes me sad the developer moved on to Risen which ended up shitty.
>>344457939
citation needed
>>344457939
its worse than Fallout 3 because it completely ditches the current post-apocalyptic setting for some bullshit blade runner one
why are all the forts in skyrim in complete disrepair
>>344457939
3's story is much worse.
Granted the story of 4 relies on technology that has been explicitly stated to not work (as if cryostasis did work then it would open up fucking huge plotholes throughout the entire series) but nothing in 4 is nearly as bad as the entirety of Little Lamplight and Vault 87.
>>344452358
Sauce?
>>344458051
Like I said, Beth's writing is fucked no matter how you slice it. I try not to think too much about the timeline considering they now have made Jet a pre-war drug and clearly don't give a fuck about consistency, with fucking Hines even saying "only nerds care about that"
>>344452457
Any picture of Piper is scat
>>344442827
The intelligence checks certainly didn't improve between Fallout 3 and New Vegas.
Did you know Fallout 1 and Fallout 2 aren't actually isometric?
>>344448540
>>344458457
Except that makes perfect sense in context.
>>344457404
If I wanted action I wouldn't be trying to play and RPG you fucking troglodyte
>FO3 has Dad the psycho waste a fucking GECK on a water purifier for water that wouldn't be radioactive anyway because its a fucking river
>FO4 has a complete nobody build a goddamn teleportation relay out of scrap metal
What the fuck are you doing Bethesda
>>344458119
something done by a completely different developer? you do know that its not bethesda that developed it?
besides from what I heard on tg and vg its not even that bad and has plenty of good bits
can someone post the tweets of the bethesda employee saying they don't give a fuck about the lore when someone pointed the fails on FO4 and the DLC?
>>344458121
They already did, fuck all has been written lorewise without Kirkbrides involvement.
In fact I'm pretty sure the list of books written without his involvement amounts to a couple joke books and the Mythic Dawn Commentaries, the latter of which was almost entirely made up of already established Kirkbride lore.
>>344457727
I meant the accessory to good combat part. Do you understand what the primary concept of an rpg is? Fps style combat isn't the identyfying part of rpgs. Yes the combat in FO4 was probably better that FO3 (even though the basic concept of Bethesda style combat is subpar), yet every other part of the game was streamlined as fuck.
To further elaborate on my previous point
>Movies should not have interesting stories and compelling dialogue because that is not a part of their medium.
>They should all instead focus on impressive visuals because that is what differentiates movies from other media.
>>344453415
look at that stoopid fucking face, god, i want to punch him right in his goofy fucking mouth
>>344458534
But clearly you're playing a FPS with rpg elements.
Beth makes you THINK that you are playing a RPG.
>>344458629
>>344458683
>>They should all instead focus on impressive visuals because that is what differentiates movies from other media.
Michael Bay would agree with you.
>>344458457
Isn't this just finding a way to say it for him to make sense of it?
I only played the DLC once and I forget a lot of the smaller details
>>344458864
thanks
>>344458768
>But clearly you're playing a FPS with rpg elements.
Were complaining about how it didn't use to be that way
>>344458864
lmao that kid is autistic. who the fuck cares
>>344452457
>>344457939
I would say they're equally bad but there are fewer straight-up monumentally retarded ideas in FO4
FO3 had Megaton, Little Lamplight, Vault 87/FEV fuckery, the general incomprehensible plot revolving the water-pruifier, and having the PC sacrifice himself in a irradiated chamber while standing next to your pal Supermutant.
In contrast FO4 has the Railroad, the Institute with the most assbackward goals on the planet, Institute building Supermutants so they can exist there/building sentient ai and enslaving them/building mecha gorillas/everything the Intitute does, Ghoul in a fridge, and other minor insipid shit
>>344459006
Fuck off Pete.
WHY IS BOSTON FULL OF ORCS
>>344459112
just like real life
If Gen 3 Synths require DNA to be made
Where did the institute obtain gorilla DNA for the gorilla synths
>>344459112
Shit in 3 and NV ghouls look like leprosy victims in 4 they look like this.
>>344458635
>involvement amounts to a couple joke books and the Mythic Dawn Commentaries
not true at all, in fact one of the most important lore books "words of the clan mother ahnisi" isnt even written by him
here is a list of books written by another writer for tes for example:
The Ancient Tales of the Dwemer; Fragment: On Artaeum; Mysticism, The Unfathomable Voyage; Notes on Racial Phylogeny; On Oblivion; The Old Ways; Origin of the Mages Guild; An Overview of Gods and Worship; Response to Bero's Speech; The Wild Elves; 2920; Biography of the Wolf Queen; Brief History of the Empire; Dance in Fire; The Firsthold Revolt; Galerion the Mystic; A Game At Dinner; How Orsinium Passed to the Orcs; The Madness of Pelagius; The Pig Children; The Wolf Queen; The Armorers' Challenge; The Axe Man; The Black Arrow; Bone; Breathing Water; The Cake and the Diamond; Chance's Folly; Feyfolken; The Final Lesson; The Four Suitors of Benitah; The Gold Ribbon of Merit; Hallgerd's Tale; A Hypothetical Treachery; Ice and Chitin; Incident in Necrom; Last Scabbard of Akrash; The Locked Room; Marksmanship Lesson; Master Zoaraym's Tale; The Mirror; The Mystery of Princess Talara; Night Falls on Sentinel; Palla; The Poison Song; Realizations of Acrobacy; The Rear Guard; Silence; Smuggler's Island; Surfeit of Thieves; The Third Door; Trap; Vernaccus and Bourlor; Withershins; The Wraith's Wedding Dowry; The Death Blow of Abernanit; The Horror of Castle Xyr; A Less Rude Song; Lord Jornibret's Last Dance; Cherim's Heart of Anequina; Invocation of Azura; The Charwich-Koniinge Letters; The Buying Game
>>344455857
>>344459248
from your mom
>>344459331
>>344459073
>In contrast FO4 has the Railroad
That comes from FO3 by the way.
>>344444979
>streamlining
The new "we want to make the game more accessible". The euphemism treadmill is real.
>>344459537
True, it was set up in FO3 but you can't really blame the one side mission in FO3 for the massive retard circus that is the Railroad in FO4 with "just fuck everyone else in Boston, Synth lives matter" and I sided with them because everyone else was even more stupid.
>>344458635
>>344459314
oops wait thats just for Morrowind, here is what that guy, Ted Peterson, wrote for Daggerfall:
>Galerion the Mystic; The Madness of Pelagius; Ius, Animal God (regrettably); The Asylum Ball; A History of Daggerfall; Brief History of the Empire; The Fall of the Usurper; A Dubious Tale of the Crystal Tower; Banker's Bet; Healer's Tale; Jokes; Rude Song; The Arrowshot Woman; A Scholar's Guide to Nymphs; An Overview of Gods and Worship; Broken Diamonds; Confessions of a Thief; Etiquette with Rulers; Fragment: On Artaeum; Ghraewaj; Holidays of the Iliac Bay; Invocation of Azura; Legal Basics; Mysticism; On Oblivion; On Lycanthropy; Origin of the Mages Guild; Special Flora of Tamriel; The Alik'r; The Brothers of Darkness; The Faerie; The Old Ways; The Wild Elves; Vampires of the Iliac Bay; Wabbajack; The Pig Children; The War of Betony by Newgate; The War of Betony by Fav'te; Wayrest, Jewel of the Bay.
I dont know which Skyrim books he wrote, but the list for the previous two games should be more than enough to prove your statement wrong
If they just nix the FULLY VOICE ACTED gimmick the freedom to rp would be much greater.
Besides: Bethsoft don't really 'get' Fallout.
They should stick to TES.
>>344460196
>Besides: Bethsoft don't really 'get' Fallout.
How the fuck can the company not get their own game? If anything its YOU who doesn't understand their intent.
>>344448540
That line selected is pretty bad and there are a lot better lines in NV, although that's cherry picking. Same with 3. I'm sure there are less well written dialogue choices, but they gotta be in there somewhere. All of the games shown have good and bad, except for Fallout 4. It's dialogue is irredeemable
>>344455430
Cute how you lump Oblivion with Morrowind. Oblivion is dogshit and Fallout 3 is just Oblivion with guns.
>>344460529
I only lumped them together because they both came out on console but neither were the explosive shit that Skyrim was.
>I remember Morrowind having great, memorable dialogue
Is this bait? It's hard to tell sometimes.
>>344446054
>>344448540
>>344460485
You guys realize he's talking about Fallout 1, right?
RIGHT?
>>344460621
Yes it was. Skyrim is just an extension of Oblivion's shitty qualities. I'm not a big fan of Morrowind but it is a major step up from Daggerfall in terms of world building and level scaling.
>>344460692
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FUCK
>>344460441
>they own games
They just bought the license.
Their intent is to not give a flying fuck as long as it makes them money.
>>344460441
They didn't devise the setting, and they don't have a good grasp of the subject matter.
Fallout 3 and 4 feel like Americana theme parks.
I know this is a stupid thing to ask on /v/, but why do you spend so much time whining about these games?
>>344460441
They understand their own shitty content, but not the original games. New Vegas does a lot better job of carrying the torch of the first few games.
>>344460441
DUDE
NUKES
LMAO
>>344442827
They fired their team member responsible for decent dialogue and replaced him with focus groups
>>344442827
Morrowind was shit. You like it because you played it first.
>>344460441
You fucking retard
>>344460441
It's only their game legally. They didn't come up with it and the fact that people believe that is disgusting.
>>344459314
Did I say that Kirkbride personally authored all the books or did I say that very few lorebooks were written without his involvement?
I think if you were to read my post you might discover quite shockingly that I said the latter.
>>344461030
>why do you guys discuss video games on a board for video games?
You are right, that was a stupid thing to ask.
>>344453385
Well losing a wife might cause his sanity to drop.
