https://www.vg247.com/2016/07/09/demons-souls-director-says-sony-could-still-produce-a-remastered-edition/
Cool.
I am working on a platinum for this game right now please do not let this happen.
Cannot do this again.
>mfw all the newfags who play it and say its better than BB as they dow ith every new souls game
I remember playing Demon's Souls and liking it but only played like the first two levels for some reason.
Then I played Dark Souls and didn't like it at all.
I was always a matter of when and not if, Sony are the undisputed rehaster company.
Please fucking rerelease it with Dark Souls on PS4 or some shit. I need more .
>>344437376
I don't think anyone is that deluded.
Demon's Souls is the worst in the series though still a good game, with simply the least amount of content, variety, replay value.
Even Bloodborne's replay value stomps it.
What it needs is a remake, not a remaster.
>>344437336
I platinumed years ago and I don't wanna farm Pure Bladestones again.
>>344437376
Anything is better then Battleborne anon
>>344437336Pure bladestone. PURE BLADESTONEXDD
>>344437376
The only soul baby around here is you senpai, Bloodborne baby, how manu souls games have you actually finished?
>>344437773
Pure Bladestone was actually the easiest rock to farm. I did it just a few days ago in about 30 minutes. It was more than likely luck but the farm is VERY fast with Firestorm and PBWT.
Right now I am having a shitty fucking Saturday because I am in PBWT in all worlds where I need to get weapons for the Soldiers Trophy in 2, 3, 4, and 5 THEN shift to PWWT in the same worlds to get the remaining weapons. I've killed all bosses in each of these worlds and I don't think that killing a PD and BP will get it all the way to +3 from what I've been told.
>>344437976
The thing is that you can have get it in 30 minutes or maybe in 10 or 20 hours of farming. It's not that the farming is tough is that the drop rate is retarded. My last trophy for platinum was the rings though.
>>344437938
Not that guy but I've finished all of them. Had 300 hours on DeS, 500 on DaS1, 150 on DaS2, 100 on DaS3, and 300 hours (still going) on BB.
Objectively tried and true one and only correct ranking:
Bloodborne > DaS 1 > DeS > DaS 3 > DaS 2
And no I didn't play DaS first, I played them all on release.
>>344437647
t. Pcfag who's salty because not even the remaster is gonna come to PC
>>344437734
>Even Bloodborne's replay value stomps it.
that doesn't make sense
how is it less replayable than a one playthrough wonder?
>>344437976
>Pure Bladestone was actually the easiest rock to farm.
No, no it wasn't. Your anecdotal evidence is shit, it had by far the lowest drop rate. Congrats on being lucky though.
>>344437938
All of them
>>344437376
But Demon souls is better.
>>344439108
I should have written "the easiest rock to farm in my playthrough". Sorry.
>remastered edition
fuck re-releasing fucking games from the last generation , fucking shit jews
>tfw playing online totally ruins your world tendency
At least last time I tried playing they were flipping the online world between pure black for a week and then pure white for a week. Was nice.
>>344437174
>remaster fags
>>344438765
you have to be 18 years old to browse this site
>>344439053
Bloodborne has varied builds, Demon's Souls doesn't. The ARC stat alone has a huge amount of viable variety.
Every build in Demon's Souls is damage stat + second chance. If you don't have second chance you have Warding, if you have neither you don't go to NG+ thanks to defense effectively not existing.
Bloodborne has more enjoyable levels and bosses.
The majority of Demon's Souls bosses are gimmicks that become complete non-threats after one playthrough, and the levels become sharply irritating on successive playthroughs thanks to poor design choices such as 2-1, 3-1, 5-2.
If you would describe any of the Souls games as a one hit wonder, it would absolutely be Demon's Souls.
>>344440172
>if you have neither you don't go to NG+ thanks to defense effectively not existing.
didn't use neither and i did till ng8
Demons souls was better than the new souls ones, better art style, bosses and locations.
I hope al least Sony remaster it.
>>344437174
Wow, so great!
Hey, you know what would have allowed you to play Demon's Souls on PS4 the day the console launched? Backward compatibility!
But nope, gotta sell you all those $60 "remasters" so Sony can recoup the $5 billion they lost on PS3!
#4thepayers!
>>344440709
The art style was exactly the same, the bosses are shallow as fuck compared to the ones in Souls 1 and 3, and the locations were tiny and cluttered as fuck. This is coming from someone who's been with the series from the beginning. Playing DeS now feels like a tech demo for the Dark Souls series.
So he basically says he's not gonna be involved at all and it's all up to sony to do it alone.
Okay
>bladestone upgrade trophy
NO PLEASE
NOT AGAIN
>>344440172
>Bloodborne has varied builds
>>344441087
gun build
magic build
dex build
str build
p good
>>344440935
>The art style was exactly the same
no.both games have shit bosses and good bosses
>>344440172
I don't understand your comment.
Demon's Souls is like every other Souls game. You put on a shield and a weapon you like, and until you get used to rolling you're a shieldfag. What the fuck is Second Chance and Warding? Are those magic skills? Are you a little fagboi who used magic in Demon's Souls?
>>344441253
Yes, and you're the fagboi who died in one hit from literally anything I did.
>>344441253
Not that guy but plenty of builds can use minimal magic.
>>344441442
Invest souls into vitality you moron.
>>344441170
BB is a great game but let's be real here, it has shit for builds outside what you listed and is lacking in comparison to what the other games generally offer in terms of builds.
My body is ready for day 1 grieving in 2-1 with Baby's nail, Acid Cloud and Scrapping spear.
>>344437174
Ew no.
>>344441658
>implying that saves you in demon's souls
If you didn't use magic at all in Demon's Souls you didn't have cursed weapon or second chance, the absolute unshakable meta.
A player with cursed weapon will oneshot you if you don't have second chance. You will do half of their damage.
That's not even getting into damage stacked magic. That's just buffed melee.
>>344441676
dark souls
str
dex
refined
faith
sorccery
pyro
bow
>>344441831
Literally
GIT GUD
I
T
G
U
D
>>344437174
>demon's souls gets remaster
>bb and dks3 babbys can't understand it's charm and dislike it
>sony releases demon's souls remaster on PC
>sales of pc version outnumber sales of ps4 version
>PC WINS AGAIN BABY
>people actually want more remaster jewery
Just buy an used PS3 and an used demon's souls or pirate it.
>>344441920
I don't think you played Demon's Souls at all
>while the souls formula has arguably been perfected in recent years
why is everyone such plebs?
>>344442114
>/
>>344437174
Scraping Spear/Baby's Nail neta) grief meta
I want the the game remastered, but I don't want to have to deal with this shit again.
>>344442343
>rushing through the game
can't you fucking enjoy things? not him
>>344442343
Nice googled screenshot.
>>344442560
Here's more platinums.
>>344442763
you'll get a lot of bitches with that picture
I feel like Demons Souls has the most depressing atmosphere of all the games.
In the other ones theres people thats till have hope wandering the lands that you find.
In DS everyone knows shit has hit the fan, ans theres no hope. And then the few people you do find that DO have any hope of anything ever improving end up dying.
No joke that would push me to get a PS4
Just imagine DeS souls active online again.
Maybe now it'll run with consistent performance.
>>344442995
I am all wet!
I love that you could play as the boss in one map against the player and fuck him over when he made it all the way to the boss battle
I wish the other souls game had the same type of invading
>>344443024
>read note on ground
>need higher level ( or something along those lines)
>fuck you , i'm doing this right now
>kill it after a few tries
>>344443370
the idea is nice if you dont have a big map. i guess thats the main reason i enjoyed the the zone/boss
>>344437976
>>344437336
Just dupe, you retards.
It's just mindless grinding anyway.
>>344437773
I would gladly platinum it again in a remastered version
pure bladestone was a pain in the ass and tedious but it was achievable, I would just listen to music or have a movie on while doing it.
after getting it I was farming souls on those black phantom skellies in PBWT and ended up getting two more pure bladestones
I love how raw demon's souls is, if that even makes sense
>>344442763
lol look at this NEET euro
get a job you faggot loser and stop being a parasite on this earth
>>344441932
go jerk off to your fanfic somewhere else
>>344443931
GUYS IMAGINE PS5
I CAN'T WAIT FOR ALL THE PS3-RE-RE MASTERS !
>>344437174
Didn't open this link, but didn't he simply say that it's not in From's hands? Seems pretty clickbaity.
>>344444184
I'm just saying going back to demon's souls' framerate, resolution, and textures after dark souls III on PC is a little rough
hell even if it all they did was make it 1080p and steady 60 fps I'd be happy
>>344443370
DaS2 has the Looking Glass Knight, which can summon players to fight along side it.
But yeah, the Old Monk was really neat.
>>344437174
when this gets announced everyone will praise it and suck From's dick.
but then hate on every other remaster.
prove me wrong
>>344437376
Good, because it is.
>PC fatties don't realize that this is their only way to play Demon's Souls since emulating a PS4 will be easier than a PS3Now to wait 20 years fags.
>>344440172
>and the levels become sharply irritating on successive playthroughs thanks to poor design choices such as 2-1, 3-1, 5-2.
But all of those levels are fucking great. The shitty ones are 2-2 and 4-2, and even then I'd rather deal with any of those areas than try to go through Nightmare of Mensis, Yahar'gul, or Cainhurst Castle again. You have no idea what you're talking about nigger, DeS is very unrefined but it has a good core. BB is both streamlined to a ridiculous degree and filled to the brim with pointless grind shit thanks to chalice dungeons and poorly implemented blood gems.
>>344437773
>>344437336
If they were to remaster it I would hope they would do something about the upgrade system in general. It's probably the least refined out of any souls game
>need all types of upgrade mat from lowest to highest just to get the higher upgrades
such pointless grinding, fuck. Fix that, fix the material drop rates, fix the dupe glitch, and move the cling ring somewhere else just for funsies, maybe at the end of 5-3. Then give it some prettier graphics, and there you've got the best souls game. Bring the giants archstone back with new weapons + armor and now you have the GOAT.
>>344437174
>Demon's Souls
>Now with paid online!
No thanks. I am good with the version I already have.
>>344440172
>and the levels become sharply irritating on successive playthroughs thanks to poor design choices such as 2-1, 3-1, 5-2.
holy shit how could you have such bad taste
those are some of the best levels in the series
>>344439949
Soo gente out baby
>>344443024
That was an easy enemy.
>keep shield up
>run around in circles backstabbing it until it dies
>>344445610
5-2 is absolutely not one of the best levels in the series.
>>344437174
>Sony does a kick starter for DeS Remaster
>>344442763
Which one of these games felt the most grindy for you?Is it FFXIII?
>>344449947
Rune Factory: Tides of Destiny.
FFXIII's Trapezohedron grinding is nothing compared to Rune Factory, Battle of Z, and Pure Bladestone in Demon's Souls.
>open up broken archstone and unfinished level
>fix pure bladestone drop
>rework character and world tendency
I'd buy that remaster at full price, not even joking.
>>344437174
but they know it would have to be on pc too to turn a profit, since now they know that ds3 outsold all the other platforms and the biggest fan base are pc players.
>>344437174
That article basically says that FROM wouldn't do it thoguh:
>“It seems like there was a misunderstanding in a previous interview in relation to a remake or a remastering of the game, so let me reiterate here,” Miyazaki told GameSpot. “The Dark Souls series is Bandai Namco Entertainment’s IP, and Demon’s Souls and Bloodborne is Sony Interactive Entertainment’s IP. Hence, the decision to do a remake or remastering is under their jurisdiction. For me and for From Software, I don’t think we’ll be involved with their happening, but it could happen through another developer.”“It seems like there was a misunderstanding in a previous interview in relation to a remake or a remastering of the game, so let me reiterate here,” Miyazaki told GameSpot. “The Dark Souls series is Bandai Namco Entertainment’s IP, and Demon’s Souls and Bloodborne is Sony Interactive Entertainment’s IP. Hence, the decision to do a remake or remastering is under their jurisdiction. For me and for From Software, I don’t think we’ll be involved with their happening, but it could happen through another developer.”
>>344445610
is this a joke?
2-1, 2-2, 3-1, 3-2, 4-1, 4-2, 5-2 are all absolute garbage levels
>>344437174
E
N E V E R
V E V
E R E
R R
>>344450837
I have seen some shit taste before, but NOTHING as bad as yours.
>>344450837
>not liking 3-1 and 3-2
Tell me this is bait?
>>344450652
>but they know it would have to be on pc too to turn a profit,
yes of course, for Sony to make a profit on their franchises it would have to be multiplatform
yes of course, this will definitely happen
and all their other franchises like Uncharted will follow suit
you are a smart one
>>344450652
N E V E R E V E R
>>344450837
>let me pick all of the good levels(sans 2-2 and 4-2) and call them shit
Just stop. You could've gotten a lot of agreements if you criticized the ending areas since they're all quite short and pointless, but you just have to criticize some of the best levels in the series.
>>344441676
lets compare it to the recent dark souls 3 then
considering viability effects build variety
bloodborne :
skill (very viable)
STR (viable)
blood (viable)
quality (viable)
arcane (not viable on its own, like faith)
blood/skill (very viable)
DaS3
str (semi-viable)
dex (semi viable)
quality(VERY viable)
faith ( not viable on its own, viable with other stats)
sorcery (not viable)
pyro (not viable early game viable late game)
bow (lol)
>>344451343
4-2 was shit because of its boss. Too much waiting.
>hit him two or three times
>boss roars and attacks like crazy, have to run
>wait until he loses sight of you
>rinse and repeat
What kind of design is this?
>>344451065
how the fuck can you like either?
let me guess, you're one of those >>atmosphere fags who thinks constant grunting and PLEASE HELP ME is anything but grating
3-1 is nothing but running through a couple of corridors and grabbing keys once you've replayed the game
3-2 is nothing but running through a way too long series of bridges, stairs, and swamp once you've replayed the game
>>344451908
The first playthrough is the only one that matters when measuring the quality of a level.
This is why Dark Souls II is shit outside of NG+.
>>344451665
>sorcery not viable
>pure STR and DEX not viable
Kill yourself, they're all viable.
>>344443651
You cant dupe a pure bladestone if you dont even have one
>>344437336
I am tempted to get on and just give you a pure bladestone.
Neat hopefully it will be on pc. I physically can't deal with 30fps game.
>>344451807
>>wait until he loses sight of you
>Blind boss that tracks by sound
>Loses sight of you
Stop bullying the Old Hero.
>>344451908
Two of the most atmospheric areas in the entire series. Both have boss fights that were unique and have been imitated since. Both areas make use of multiple levels improving the use of 3d space and interaction. 3-1 is the most maze-like level in the series and so beloved they literally stole it wholesale in DaS3. Old Monk boss fight was one the coolest mechanics in the entire Demon's Souls game. Latria as a whole is the best fucking area with some of the coolest bosses From has ever designed. You are the first person I've ever talked to that argues otherwise. You're entitled to your opinion but I think you're crazy.
>>344453268
That's definitely not how the boss works. Even when you silence your footsteps, when you hit him he locks on to you for a good 20 seconds.
>>344452953
DON'T MAKE ME SAY IT
>>344453595
Say what?
>>344450786
Yeah, the remaster would come from another studio.
>>344437174
Will there be poise? I would be fine without it personally, cause i'd like the base game intact.
>>344437174
I'd only be interested if they went back and completed that broken archstone.
>>344453538
No. That's totally how it works. He's blind. That's why he swings wildly when you're not attacking him. That's why the Thief Ring works against him.
>>344454182
It doesn't work though. I've used it. The fight played out the same way even with the ring on.
>hit boss
>boss locks on to you for fucking ever even though you're making no noise
>suddenly he decides he can't hear your silence anymore and then you can hit him again
>>344437376
Bloodborne is better than demons souls
t. someone who played both
>>344454376You made noise by hitting him,then generate more noise by running/dodging. It's only when you've calmed down that he loses you again.
http://demonssouls.wikidot.com/walk4-2-boss
>By equipping the Thief's Ring, you can greatly reduce your presence. Keep in mind heavy equip weight can hurt your sneaking skills. With the thief ring on, by moving slowly (i.e. walking), the boss cannot see you and will wander, striking random spots.
>its another console rerelease
>ooooo more blooooom
k
>>344453842
delete this
>>344454950
I'm not dumb, I know what makes noise. Even when standing still at the other end of the room after striking him from the opposite side, he knows I'm there and locks the fuck on.
Can't wait to play a remaster of a game that's not even that old and that has been mechanically one upped 4 times now and counting.
>they patch it so that he no longer gets stuck on things allowing you to cheese your way through the fight
Imagine all the salt.
I've only play DeS. Do the other souls games have invader bosses?
>>344455553
why do retarded hipsters like you whine about remasters? Dont fucking buy it if you dont need it, not everyone wants to buy the worst console of 7th gen for one game with abysmal performance
also demons souls is over 7 years old
>>344455661
Wait, people had trouble with Flamelurker?
>roll
>hit
>roll
>hit
>roll
>hit
>victory
>>344455931
DaS2 Mirror Knight can summon players to help him, but Old Monk is still unique in that regard.
>>344455956
>One game
Oh dear, is it 2009 again? God, I remember the good old days when the 360 wasn't all kinect shit and the Wii still looked like it was going to get good games.
>>344455957
Flamelurker was OG gg boss. His speed and aggression could take people off guard who were used to the methodical pace up to that point in the game. He had the steepest learning curve and was likely the first real challenge most players faced. Unless you were a filthy magic user. Then he was piss easy.
>>344456490
or unless you paid attention and use flame defense ring
or unless you just stunlocked him
or unless you just backrolled twice any time you got hit and grassed
or unless you used the sticky white stuff you got in 2-1
etc
>>344455957
Flamefuckers a combination of several things that totally fucks people over.
Most people get taught early in the game to always have your shield up, and to tank shit with it. But then they quickly find that Flamefucker attacks almost constantly, draining all their stamina and fucking them up. Most players end up fighting him tons of times trying to beat him and find what works. And when he goes super saiyan at 25% health he obliterates most players.
And then the level before him is so fucking long that just getting to him takes alot of time and can use up items.
And nobody knows about the shortcut without being told about it, or reading about it, so they end up taking the long way.
Most people who played demons souls literally cheesed their way through the fight by getting him stuck on shit and poisoning him or magic'ing him, and finding out about the shortcut on youtube or wikis.
>>344456490
I beat him on my first try. I swear to God, everyone else but me has trouble on the easiest bosses in this series.
>Capra Demon
>Smelter Demon
>Tom and Jerry
>The Three Stooges
>now Flamelurker
>>344451665
>arcane (not viable on its own, like faith)
>not viable
>>344456649
Or unless you shot arrows through the fog door.Not that I did that.
>>344451665
>arcane
>not viable on its own
Arcane is LITERALLY the very best build of Bloodborne you fucking retard.
You can convert the damage on ANY pure physical weapon to the elemental damage of your choice and it will fully scale from your arcane stat.
Then you get the best transformation with it's OP as fuck L2 AND hunter tools.
No other build even comes close to its versatility.
>>344437174
The game can also use some tweaks besides just remastering it. There isn't even a plunge attack.
FOR PC????
>>344451665
wheres luck build? putting bleed resin on my hollow dual katanas just melted bosses.
>own black phantom edition of demon's souls
I don't usually buy special editions of games but that was well worth it. Especially since they didn't print too many of this edition (it was the original batch for the european release - the second batch is just the game).
>>344456731
I actually tanked him just fine with the purple dragon shield.
>>344458206
>Sony owns the rights
no
>Storm Ruler in DeS
>used against Storm King
>Storm Ruler in DaS3
>can't be used against King of the Storm
ONE JOB
>been putting off demon souls for a long time
>still putting it off
WELP
>trying to take burger king's armour
He doesn't fuck about.
>>344459223
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=qutYD5UMhTY
>>344457501
and in the end your only real choice is bolt damage saif since everyone has fucking tons of fire defense and the other weapons don't scale enough to be any more significantly powerful than saif
>>344458967
>Storm Ruler supposed to be a giant-killer
>try it against various giants in irityhll and cathedral of the deep
>it does nothing
what a bunch of assholes
It's funny, I just beat Demon's Souls last night.
Fun as hell ride. I never really got the whole world tendency stuff, though.
>>344459223
>>344459325
I fought Doran the autistic way. I kicked him all the way to the shortcut tower, and then kicked him down the stairs, picking up his shit off his splattered body at the bottom.
>>344459223
Death cloud and wait five minutes.
>Demon's Souls with updated graphics
>Modified movesets to set more weapons apart from each other
>Change certain bosses to make them more difficult to kill like preventing Flamelurker from being stunlocked
>Finish the unfinished world of giants and add new unique weapons
It's probably not going to happen, but this would make it the best Souls game hands down.
>>344437174
let's hope they put in some of the unused content
http://demonssouls.wikidot.com/unused-content
>>344459774
Sword and board motherfucker. I ain't letting that deep fried fuck get away with his mockery of my skills - free sword or not.
>>344459969
All the griefing stuff will be nerfed to hell. Baby's Nail now heals instead of draining health. Scraping Spears restores durability and grants Second Chance buff
>all that shit modeled and made for that broken archstone thats on the disk but not playable
>was probably going to be some way to restore the archstone and visit the world full of beastmen and magic, but they ran out of time
*also on PC
>>344437376
Bloodborne has better grafixs, OST, and level design
DeS has better bosses, setting, locales, and a better hub world. It also has better NPC's and better quests.
>>344460189
we were robbed of a qt snake lady
>>344459796
>>Modified movesets to set more weapons apart from each other
I'm pretty sure the game already has different weapon classes.
>>344437174
>>344437174
Nooooo that would mean the servers for the original will die
>>344455493
Actually, that only happens if you hit him twice (when he freaks out after the first hit). If you hit him once and then back away, he never homes on you.
>>344451665
>quality (viable)
Blood isn't really a build that you can use on its own, it really has to be paired up with either Strength or Skill to work properly.
>>344450529
>mfw the only people who complained about WT were the ones that played it online
Kek, I always played offline and WT worked just fine.
>>344440172
Demon's Souls has more build variety than Bloodborne does, idiot.
>>344438765
You know Sony has the most remasters out of any Company right now, right? Calling the PS4 a PortStation isn't really a meme
>god of war 3
>uncharted 1
>uncharted 2
>uncharted 3
>gravity rush
>final fantasy x (timed exclusive)
>final fantasy x-2 (timed exclusive)
>final fantasy xii (not out yet)
>the last of us
>heavy rain
>beyond: two souls
>there might even be a KH 1.5/2.5 remaster collection on ps4
>potentially Demon's Souls
The PS4 has more remasters than actual good exclusives at this point.
>>344440172
In BB you always have to be quick and dashing
In DeS you can be quick and dashing, but you can also be a heavy tank, or somewhere in between
>>344464162
>In DeS you can be quick and dashing, but you can also be a heavy tank, or somewhere in between
So just like all the other souls games (not including Bloodborne)?
>>344437174
Unless there is a 5th archstone it's pointless. All they will do is get rid of dupe glitch making new pvp builds a chore. Going from 720 to 1080P with a more stable frame rate sin't worth buying a game over.
>>344463217
>the only people who complained about an online play feature in an online game were the people who played it online
>doesn't post a face
>le kek xD
fuck off
>>>/reddit/
>>>/b/
>>344464297
>Going from 720 to 1080P with a more stable frame rate sin't worth buying a game over.
>RDR
>>344463429
>STR + second chance
>DEX + second chance
>MAG + second chance / warding
>FAI + second chance (barely used thanks to cursed weapon being so much better than stacked regen)
that's it
quality doesnt exist in demon's thanks to 50/50 scaling and having 10 whopping more AR
>50 STR
>50 STR / 25 SKL
>50 STR / 25 ARC
>50 SKL
>50 SKL / 25 STR
>50 SKL / 15 ARC
>50 ARC + weapon reqs for elemental damage + tricked HMS
>70 ARC for early "softcap" hunter's tools
>99 ARC for maximum scaling hunter's tools and 3k damage call beyond
>50 BLT
>25 SKL / 50 BLT
>__ STR / 50 BLT (varied depending on how hard you wanna go with cannons and bloodletter untricked)
>>344464162
fatrolling and "tanking" is not viable in demon's souls, the difference between assassin's black leather and brushwood is extremely minimal
that's not a build that's just gimping yourself like not equipping an offhand in bloodborne
>>344464297
I would only buy it if it was $30 new. Even then I would probably wait until it hits $15-20. I'm getting tired of remasters.
>>344437174
Would rather have Dark Souls remastered with respeccing and other quality of life things DS2 and 3 added.
>>344464421
Lol, you know fucking nothing. You need to actually go look up the different kind of viable builds that people have come up with in DeS
>STR
>DEX
>STR/DEX
>STR/FAI
>DEX/FAI
>FAI
>MAG
>STR/Mag
>Dex/Mag
>STR/LCK
>Dex/LCK
>LCK
Don't forget all the builds that you can build around all the unique and/or boss soul weapons in the game. When you take everything into account, Bloodborne has less build variety than DeS does by a longshot. This isn't really debatable.
>>344464421
>fatrolling and "tanking" is not viable in demon's souls
t. faggot who never actually made a fatroll/tank build
>>344465685
>STR/DEX
not viable, I said why
>STR/FAI
okay this is bait nevermind not worth my time
>>344437376
Both are great, though I prefer Bloodborne. Only bad souls games is DaS2. Cue the defense force.
Is Dark Souls seriously the most overrated title in the series?
>>344465885
>not viable, I said why
It is viable, maybe you should actually try it dumbass. Plenty of people have.
>>344465885
>okay this is bait nevermind not worth my time
t. butthurt faggot who knows nothing about Demon's Souls builds.
You do fucking know that the Meat Cleaver is a Str/Fai Weapon, right? You aren't just pretending to be stupid, right?
>>344466067
of course it's the meat cleaver
you faggots never learn, even your own wiki tries to tell you
the meat cleaver is just an inferior version of the greataxe which deals inferior slash damage, is split damage, requires an ungodly amount of investment to be actually good, costs the same stamina as fucking Bramd (30+ end just to swing thrice)
>>344466304
It's still a viable build you stupid asshole, another weapon being better than it means nothing. You can stop arguing semantics now
>bu-but the greataxe is better...
That doesn't mean the Meat Cleaver isn't viable. That doesn't mean that you can't make a str/fai build. Fuck off idiot.
>>344437336
>Caring about achievements
>Demon's Souls has more stats than Bloodborne
>supposedly doesn't have more stat and build variety than Bloodborne
Wew
>>344466521
the meat cleaver isn't viable when compared to cursed weapon greataxe, your faith scaling is necessary just to do comparable damage to uncursed, all those points could've been spend in END / VIG, and where are you even going to get the points do all that at SL120 anyway?
you're going to have to give up either cursed weapon or second chance and that's not viable, you are at a major disadvantage compared to a bog standard STR+SC+CW build, your only victories will come from just being far better
Can we just agree that Demons Souls has the most PTSD inducing crystal lizards?
>max carry weight meaning you cant always carry everything they drop if you are maxed
>long aggro range
>set limited amount of times they appear, so if you miss one and it escapes thats a permanent tick off the amount of times it will appear again
>sometimes more than one lizard in close proximity so chasing one alerts the other and it runs away
>bodys ragdoll around so theres a chance it might fall off a ledge or some shit and you'll never get the loot
>>344467078
>VIG
VIT, you know what I meant
fucking VIT/VIG split you don't make sense
>>344467078
>>344467276
>when compared to
This is where your argument falls apart.
You're still arguing semantics.
Are you actually retarded?
Another Century's Episode 4 when?
>>344467078
>the meat cleaver isn't viable when compared to
That isn't how it works.
Do it deal DAMAGE? With no real downside?
Then yes: Its viable.
>>344437376
Demon's Souls is the souls series in beta form. I'd love to see why someone would argue it's the best, considering how flawed it is in comparison with the others. You can certainly appreciate it for what it originated, but so many design decisions are improved on in the others.
>>344467390
yes anon, when you are running up against the single stat + CW + SC meta your gimmick builds are not and are never going to be viable
this shit is blatantly overpowered and meta, and it is the meta because nothing else is as good
it is the Refined of DaS3
let me dumb it down for you
>you sacrifice major investment for inferior returns
>you are less likely to have either: softcapped VIT, END, or SC
i'll also toss in one more thing that makes meat cleaver shit, which everyone has equipped:dark silver shield
>>344467481
meat cleaver has many downsides you dumb cunt, how many have I listed by now?
>>344461840
>pc
>walking through the fog and seeing Tower Knight for the first time
>>344467776
Plenty of people have made a str/fai build. plenty of people have made builds around the Meat Cleaver. It's a viable build because it works. Another weapon being better doesn't mean it isn't a viable build.
You can stop being retarded now.
>>344437174
Having played all of them I'd be fairly excited if they went ahead with it. The idea that they could maybe balance things, add more lore and up the graphics makes me quite happy. With a remaster they could probably even provide a restored final archstone.
>>344468083
it's a build that works in PvE
it's not a build that works in PvP
>>344468297
It's still viable.
>>344468172
I doubt they would add removed content, just fix things up from the main game, make it 1080p, maybe 60fps or a stable 30 at the very least, and that's it.
>>344468404
fine, whatever
if you consider having to hit someone 5 times to kill them while dying in two viable, it's viable
>>344468297
>it's not a build that works in PvP
I thought it was any build worked in PvP so long as you had a kind of passion for it. Like the LSoM which works off of the entire "OP regen" Faith.
>>344468558
Keep staying butthurt, Meat Cleaer is a viable build all around. Another weapons being better doesn't mean it doesn't work.
Idiot.
>>344468404
>I doubt they would add removed content, just fix things up from the main game, make it 1080p, maybe 60fps or a stable 30 at the very least, and that's it.
That would be a shame but who knows, they could infact do it, nothing is out of possibility.
>>344468624
>LSoM
nahhh
maybe in low to mid level invasions against new players
LSoM just has bad damage and any other greatsword, especially claymore can ignore shields by dead angling which is extremely good in DeS
made worse by DSS prevalence
>>344468712
bottom of the barrel tier build and weapon designed for SL300s
>>344468737
They COULD, but I highly doubt they would. I've learned to keep my expectations low, especially when it comes to things like remasters. IT's called a remaster for a reason, it just fixes up the old game and makes it look better and run smoother,k it isn't a remake or a reimagining. Remasters never add new stuff, they just make the old game look nicer.
>>344468913
>still arguing semantics
You can stop any day now.
>>344468913
The Meat cleaver is a viable weapon, and it isn't even the only str/fai weapon int he game. You act like it's a useless weapon that does zero damage and is literally useless. It isn't. Another weapon being better than it does not make the weapon in question useless. The scraping spear is a weapon you can't make a build around because it does no damage and it only good for breaking armor. You would need to use it in tandem with another weapon. Meat Cleaver is not like that at all, it's a viable weapon for both pve and pvp. Is it the best weapon? No. Are there weapons better than it? Yes, but it still works. It's still viable. You can argue semantics all day but that won't change facts.
>>344469120
i'm not just going to accept that any trash weapon you pick is viable because you kill some retards with it
>>344469386
there literally aren't any other STR / FAI weapons, blessed is pure FAI and also trash thanks to DSS
>>344469015
I suppose I just have a higher level of optimism for these kinds of things.
I mean I enjoyed most games I play an am not to anal about it unless the gameplay is just either down right terrible or I'm a bad player and I can't get a hang of it.
>>344437174
I am still mad about how bull shit the false King allant boss fight is.
>>344468913
>LSoM just has bad damage and any other greatsword, especially claymore can ignore shields by dead angling which is extremely good in DeS
made worse by DSS prevalence
Fair enough, but I mean just enjoying playing would make it worth while wouldn't it?
I mean yes there's a meta but then there's playing how you like to play, right?
And if you're good at it you can still match up with people with better weapons and come out on top.
pc version first
>start Royal
>get +3 crescent Falchion in 4-1 immediately
>game's already over
I hope this is changed.
>>344469552
>there literally aren't any other STR / FAI weapons
What are the Hands of God?
>>344470091
That was something you had to know about before you could crush it. When you first start you end up going the long way sequentially and you would often fully bypass the black katana skeleton. No one goes directly to 4-1 the first time unless someone else lets them know before hand.
>>344469552
>there literally aren't any other STR / FAI weapons
I think you actually need to go look up the weapon list for Demon's Souls.
>>344470321
the absolute worst weapons to ever grace a souls game, actually being surpassed by the broken straight sword in dark souls 2 and 3?
>>344470593
Still proved you wrong, it's another str/fai weapon in the game.
>>344470593
>Not dual-wielding BSS
My stunlock build was GOAT.
