Explain to me why she isn't op.
Any solid counters?
>inb4 "don't shoot her shields" we know she kills us while her shield is up without shooting them
>>344426367
People always seem to forget that headshots exist in this game.
shut up hbitch
>>344426465
You can't headshot a shield.
>>344426367
Kill her before she gets charged because fuck knows your team just loves to shoot at those big enticing glowing shields.
A Zarya at zero charge might as well be a Lucio she does so little damage
Bastion can do enough damage to completely shred her shield and kill her easily
>>344426465
If headshots were that easy to get everyone would be going for them instead of aiming for more reliable body shots
>>344426643
Yet she can apply a shield to an ulting pharah/reaper/soldier etc
Her damage isn't important when you can't shoot her, and you can't shoot her teammate.
>>344426696
Too bad bastion sucks and isn't worth playing because there is a good chance half the enemy team counters him.
>>344426367
she is completely useless when uncharged, when she wants to charge they usually go on the line of fire and then hide, so I go rein and charge when they do that for easy kill and sometimes my team helps me and I don't die
>>344426367
Shoot her a few times and wait for her to shield then run away until the shield goes down and re-engage
Zarya being good is just a symptom of people being shit. She's useless on low charge.
>>344426867
>rein charges
>activate shield
>free 50% charge
>kill him
EVERY TIME
Don't get me started on double zarya. Can't damage 2 people in a team fight? Fuck it, can't damage 4 people in a team fight.
>>344426367
don't shoot her shields
remember her cooldown times and take the opportunity you're given
her cooldowns are MASSIVE, there's no excuse for you to be baited into attacking her when her shields are up
t. zarya main
>>344426867
>Completely useless when uncharged
Being able to shield anybody on your team so they can do their shit more safely is never useless.
Her ult is far from useless too.
>>344426367
>my face 2 Zaryas
Reduce the life of her shields to 100 or make her charge rate slower or both.
>>344426367
She needs to be focused, which is hard in pugs
>>344426367
>mfw I shoot her shields anyways cause I know my headshots will 2-3 shot her.
Just git gud with Reaper.
>>344427140
This is the fucking point I'm trying to make. You can't say she's useless at low charge. Her extra damage is just a bonus to her op shields.
>>344427158
Shields shouldn't block full damage.
>>344426367
Reaper is pretty good against her
But yeah she's pretty strong and versatile, wouldn't necessarily argue OP though
>>344426746
then git gud
>>344427513
Player skill aside, a team with 1/2 zaryas always has an advantage over a team without a zarya .
>>344427348
>>344427513
Overwatch wiki for reaper.
Zaryas page shows no counters.
>>344427352
Shields block a certain amount of damage. If you do high DPS you can easily kill Zarya even if she has a shield up
>>344428195
This.
Want to counter Zarya? Play Bastion and shred the shield and then her quickly after.
>>344428195
What is the zarya shield threshold? I've never seen her shield break.
>>344428089
>roadhog
>reaper counter
These people are idiots.
>play comp King's Row
>attacking
>convince the Reinhardt on my team to swap to Zarya so we can have double Zarya
>literally nothing can stop us
>we have Mercy + Lucio so we just never fucking die
>keep shielding each other in fights
>enemy is noticeably getting tilted
>we win
>switch sides to defense
>they can't break through our Double Zarya
>they start raging in chat
>>344428089
Cool, I'm talking gameplay experience though, got a decent amount of time in both
Reaper deals silly amounts of damage to anything with a big hitbox, he outDPS her and his shots are easier to hit than tracking with a pinpoint laser, he can also wraithform evade her ult
>>344428346
It has 200 HP and most stop shooting because they aren't in a position to break it and kill Zarya because she will power up if you damage the shield.
>>344428346
As a Zarya player occasionally, it feels as if it blocks a solid 50-100 damage. The OP and other such posters imply that it just lets you glide through ults and absorb damage when in reality if you pop it at the beginning of reaper's ult/walk into hanzo's ult your shield will break and you will die.
>>344428587
I'm always happy when Hanzo misses to kill anyone with his ulti and I can just power up by grazing it.
It's Touhou all over again.
>>344428089
Zarya player here, Reaper fucks her shit up.
can 6 zarya's even be beaten
>>344428587
It blocks 200 damage before breaking and nullifies the last attack that hits it.
>>344428346
>>344428587
Zarya's shield breaks after it takes 200 damage.
Just fucking kill her
She has no mobility
She has no armor
She has 400 health
Her bubble is only 200 health and if you're focusing her it has giant round hit box that's impossible to miss and takes full damage from spread out weapons like shotguns
>but she hides behind her team
Then counter the team. Zarya is a force multiplier, by herself she is nothing.
>>344428735
>my face 2 Zaryas make Junkrats ultimate almost useless.
Best counter is to not play a shit game.
Sometimes, I think that people still dont know that shooting Zarya's shields make her stronger.
Tanks in general are fucking bullshit. Yes even DVA because her stalling bullshit is gay as fuck and needs to be removed.
NERF tanks and offensive heroes across the board. Buff defensive heroes and Sym/Zen
>>344428501
>>344428089
Yeah as a Zarya player Reaper scares the shit out of me, if I'm already high charge and have my shield up I can usually chase him off, but if reaper just keeps shooting he can plow through my shield in 1 -2 shots and have plenty left to kill me, long before I can out dps him.
It's when they get scared and play conservatively that I can usually beat them.
>>344428587
>>344428195
Also any character can counter Zarya if they're patient. I've played as several characters that shouldn't fight tanks 1on1 (Mercy, Hanzo, Lucio) and have killed Zarya will all of them because i just attempt to coax out her shield, then wait for it to ware off and wreck her shit.
>>344428823
A decent team makes Junkrat's ult useless Most times it'll be destroyed in seconds.
>>344428823
Junkrat in general is just badPharah
There's a reason he's invisible in pro play
>>344427041
Welcome to hero stacking. A lot of hero's become OP when two of them are running around focusing the same shit.
>>344428929
The only defensive hero that needs a buff is bastion.
Sym does not fucking need a buff.
>>344429154
>Bastion
>Buff
no
>>344429101
He's invisible because Zarya started seeing more play. He's a walking charge for Zarya.
explain to me why you should be allowed to have more than one of a hero in competitive
>>344429227
He's one of the worst fucking characters in the game.
Bottom 3 tier. He is instantly killed/countered in any MMR besides the lowest.
>That feeling when you save a teammate who was charged by a Reinhardt with a last second barrier
>>344429101
>muh MLG ebin pro gaymen
Fuck off homo
>>344428929
>symmetra needs a buff
>>344429304
t. shitty Bastion player
>>344429416
t. low MMR retard that probably still complains about mei.
>>344429254
Hero stacking should be removed from the game. Quick or competitive.
>>344426367
I've had some success on koth against zarya with dva.
>>344429304
He's situational and requires you to build a comp around him. He sees play in a lot of tournaments on certain maps. Mostly KOTH.
Just because he's situational doesn't mean he needs a buff.
>>344429154
>>344429227
>>344429304
>>344429416
how the fuck would you even buff bastion without making him annoyingly strong. He's already situationally strong on defense if he just hides in a corner due to his bullshitily high DPS.
Honestly people who think he needs a buff need to learn to play
>>344429819
He dominates pubs but is one of the worst heroes against a coordinated team.
Literally the only hero getting less use right now in tournaments is Zenyatta
>>344426468
gonna have 2 word this post desu haha
>>344429786
>He sees play in a lot of tournaments on certain maps. Mostly KOTH.
Zarya has no counter real counter, but also doesn't counter anything. The key to beating her is to understand the mechanics
Team-shield is a 2 second barrier with 400hp on a 8 second cooldown
Self-shield is a 2 second barrier with 200hp on a 10 second cooldown.
She has shit damage when not boosted, must pinpoint track you to hit you, and has no mobility options. If you play evasively, she cannot follow, and has a hard time confirming a kill. (And let's face it, nobody in this thread is 70+, so if you just move around a bit, she's going to miss with her beam half of the time).
She also typically dips in and out of fights as her barriers and 200hp of shields recharge. This is when she is very vulnerable to backline harass/burst, like a Helix Rocket combo. (this is usually a Gengi/Tracer/Reaper job that they NEVER seem to do right).
She is also REALLY easy to hit with Pharah rockets because of her large hitbox and lack of mobility. After the self-bubble, you can conc blast her out of effective range and go ham from a range where her beam can't hit you.
The whombo-combo of Pharah/Reaper (and other team fire) and Zarya is COMPLETELY negated by D.Va's defense matrix.
>WHAT YOU SAY? D.Va HAS A USE?
Yes, anon. Yes, she does.
Double Zarya means the team has no mobility options. You can shit on them with high mobility harass.
Source: Hover around ran 68, Zarya is my 3rd most played, and I kill her consistently with 1st and 2nd, Soldier and Pharah.
>>344426367
Zarya counters:
1. Reaper fucks her shit up.
2. Tracer/Genji/Lucio almost impossible to kill them.
3. Bastion
3. Roadhog and Zarya counter eachother
Any hero that out ranges her. Pharah, Solider, and the snipers all can take her out easily.
>>344430038
>Zarya is COMPLETELY negated by D.Va's defense matrix.
Not true at all.
>>344430038
Zarya counters a lot of shit.
>Mei
>Roadhog
>every single burst dmg ult
>>344429154
Yes she does. She also shouldn't be classified as a fucking support
>>344430038
I mean you're right for most of it but I thnk the projected barrier is 200?
Also I just M1 at D.Va when she has the defense matrix up.
I mean the armor cuts into your damage but she's also impossible to miss.
>>344430004
And the last tournament he saw more play. The reason he didn't there is because they allowed hero stacking.
That and tournaments a lot of times try the absolute best they can to stay far away from KOTH maps.
He's always going to see less play than other heroes because you need to build a comp around him for him to be good.
>>344429416
Not him but I have about 15 minutes total in Bastion. I think he's bad because of my experience against him, he's a free kill for me, and anyone else who knows what they're doing.
I think this is fine, it's the same as TF2, there are always gonna be classes that are easy in pubs where you're enemies are bad, but worthless against good players. And TF2 only had 9 classes.
>>344429249
Everyone that's not hitscan is walking charge for Zarya. It is not hard to time your bubble to eat up projectiles coming to you
They've all but basically confirmed that they're going to do something about Zarya and Pharah. Either by a direct nerf or buffing a counter for them.
>>344430272
Zarya is basically the anti roadhog.
Similar health and mobility but instead of killing people with hook she saves people with barrier.
She;s also better at medium range while being worse at close range.
>>344430529
they can keep her in support. The suggestions just needs a "no healer" instead of "no support" indicator
>>344430465
I said the combo is negated, not Zarya herself.
The defense matrix will eat a full DIEDIEDIE/justice, and most of the assorted team fire. The only other things that will kill all of you are a hanzo ult and junkrat ult.
Junkrat ult you should be able to shoot with 5 people sitting in a gravity bomb, and if Hanzo is on the other team, you should already be winning.
>>344430661
Well yeah but Junkrat does it just by existing. He exists to spam grenades in a direction for area denial. Zarya just walks into and gets a fuck ton of charge. It's also one of the reasons Symmetra started falling off some because most times all she does is give Zarya charge with her turrets.
>>344430530
It might be 200, doesn't really change the tactics, except for the fact that a bastion might consider bursting through it.
also see>>344430776 regarding D.Va's usefulness.
She's Zarya ult counter, not a complete Zarya counter.
>>344430776
My bad
>>344430546
The problem used to be that players didn't know how to counter Bastion.
Now, the problem is Bastion players don't know how to play Bastion, e.g they deploy and sit in one spot the whole time.
Good Bastion players are constantly mobile, can aim well in recon mode, take advantage of moving platforms and the payload, know how and when to jump/drop deploy and are extremely aggressive with Config: Tank
>>344427032
You're facing some shitty Reins.
>>344430995
I don't doubt that. During the very few moments I played Bastion I did better than most of those I face against, because I was generally mobile and tried to pick unexpected spots.
Who else unironically likes the Cybergoth and Industrial skins?
>>344430667
They need to buff more heroes. If they keep nerfing everyone everyone's going to feel as shitty to play as McCree does right now.
Having Zen alone would put a stop to this Zarya/Winston nonsense because everyone could tear through them.
>>344426367
reaper up close to her will destroy her shields and her hp in a few seconds
she isn't very good against enemies at very close range. She has to use laser which she has to manually aim, which is hard when you are bouncing around her.
>>344431671
get out
>>344431671
These people don't exist. Personally I like the Violet skin. If Arctic didn't have the glasses on I'd think I like it more.
>>344426746
literally everyone good at the game does
git gud
When I play as Reaper I tend to just keep shooting through her shields, breaking them in 2 shots and killing her swiftly after
>>344431749
Zen/Zarya is still sort of a counter-eachother situation because Barrier removes Discord.
>>344431749
He doesn't really counter her thanks to shields negating discord. He counters winston and roadhog, and reaper to make mccree kills guaranteed
>>344433393
>removes discord
Why is this relevant at all?
it takes like half a second to re-apply it.
Zarya is my most played. She's not that hard to deal with.
Let her pop the shield. Don't shoot. Then empty your clip into her. She's squishier than the other tanks if shieldless.
If zarya wanders in front of a bastion, he can take her down faster than she can react even with the shield.
Now if she stuck with her team then she presents a real threat, but the same could be said about a lot of heroes.
Just stop being bad basically.
>>344429510
>not enjoying the cancer of full team jungle japes or qt gamer
It's like you hate fun
>>344431861
>>344431919
Haters gonna hate.
>>344434283
Having to face two genjis every single match isnt fun
either them or soldiers
>>344435178
Two genjis are easy just slap them for being shit two soldiers I can agree
>bastion needs a buff
lol
She's a hard counter against my dick.
>>344435514
genji is not easy to deal with when they're semicompetent and fucking everywhere, so you're forced to go double winston and frankly I don't think winston is very fun to play as
>>344436413
I think Winston is hilarious to play as. Contesting a payload for 2 minutes by just jumping, dropping shields, and punching people is fucking funny.
>just lost volskaya defence in 2 minutes
I knew my win streak was too good to be true
