name better JRPG franchise
pro tip:not xenoblade
Skyrim
>>344405862
Dat aspect raidou.
there isn't one
SMT is the best JRPG franchise ever made
>>344405862
It's one of the only JRPGs I've liked for its gameplay, so you're right OP.
>>344405862
>We'll never get a new Devil Summoner that builds off the combat of Raidou 2 but takes place in a modern or future city
.hack
>>344405862
grouping all Shin Megami Tensei games together is a little like cheating.
>>344405862
SMT was pretty great until everything they recently made. They lost their good demon designer and the game stories have gone to shit too.
>>344405862
Shin Megami Tensei IV undub edition
>>344405862
pokemon
>>344405932
/thread
>>344410889
truth
>>344410889
>>344411195
Not all. Pokemon was fun as a kid, but it bores me to tears as an adult. The mods are OK, but SMT is still better.
I'm trying to think of a franchise that matches or tops SMT, perhaps Dragon Quest?
The first three Mario and Luigi games
>>344411332
What are you considering best franchise?
Every Pokemon game is considered "fun" and they have like 40 games. No contest in total franchise plus all the tv spin offs, mobile apps, apparel, fan fiction, etc etc. Even unfairly grouping all the Shin Megami games (which is like grouping all the Sid Meier games) doesn't compare.
>>344411726
Pokemon isn't even that good mechanically. It's a decent competitive monster raising game, smothered by a tired and repetitive RPG, and plagued by a power creep and awful balance.
Popular =/ good
Grow the fuck up.
We're talking about the quality of the gaming franchise, not the success. Popular things aren't always the best of their genre, they just appeal to the lowest common denominator, ergo, are typically streamlined and dumbed down. SMT is a lot more engaging than Pokemon. Speaking strictly in terms of both mainline franchises.
>>344411332
What does smt do better than pokemon. Pokemon is infinitely more customizable. The only problem is that everything is babby mode easy now
>>344405862
Etrian Odyssey
>>344412062
>now
>>344405862
I always liked EO's combat system better, never been a fan of the press turn system or demon negotiation. I appreciate how quickly things can spiral out of control if you're fighting something with Beast Eye though.
>>344411726
Oh yes everyone loves the Pokemon games and thinks they're fun.
After the 50th encounter with the same fucking generic alert music starts playing my joy for playing the game really wears thin. Kid you're speaking opinion, Pokemon has many old and archaic designs that will easily annoy people and stop them from having fun. The new games are too easy, the old games to frustrating in areas, especially having to keep a Pokemon specifically for HM's. Until recently HM's and TM's where limited use. Each game follows the exact same boring overused fucking formula. Main character is generic af and the player is allowed to put only a name, and as of XY a custom look as well. Slow as fuck animations for literally everything. And these are just the things on the top of my head.
Pokemon is fine, but when you start saying they're always fun and amazing on all there games that's when you're starting to be a fucking dumbass.
>>344411332
>Dragon Quest
Are people afraid to talk shit on this series or what? Sure the series is consistent, consistently stale.
>>344408781
Kaneko's not that bad of a scenarist
>>344405862
The Souls Series
>>344412062
>infinitely more customizable
LOL yeah sure tell me when you could fuse Pokemon as a set of two three, or more, as well as negotiate and speak to hundreds of demons and fight many others. How about having to choose to kill your own best friend because he's been takin over by a demon.
Pokemon has little to no customization, your character is only your own by name is almost all the games until recently, and even then the only choice you have is which monster you raise. Once you pick one you keep it the entire journey. That's it choosing and customization over.
>>344412740
>the only choice you have is which monster you raise. Once you pick one you keep it the entire journey. That's it choosing and customization over.
Holy shit, there are people on /v/ that never played Pokemon.
>>344412937
>people on /v/ that never played Pokemon.
And nothing of value was lost. ;^)
>>344412062
>what does SMT do better than Pokemon
Everything
Go play an SMT game right now.
Just a brief rundown from memory:
>multiple endings
>affinity system
>demons have personalities and interact with the Player
>it's actually challenging
>characters send story are interesting
>exploration is rewarded
>every game is unique and different
>all demons are inspired by legend and folklore
>all demon designs are coherent with each other
Etc... I'm sure someone who's played more SMT games can give you a better rundown. I've only played Strange Journey and Devil Survior, and love both.
There is a difference between Pokemon and SMT though. SMT isn't a competitive game, nor is it balanced for that. However, as JRPG franchises, SMT is miles above, hell as a JRPG, Pokemon is rock bottoms, with only the romhacks being decent. Final Fantasy, Dragon Quest, Chrono Trigger, Bravely, Radiant Historia, Secret of Mana, Breath of Fire, Illusion of Gaia, Golden Sun, Xenoblade, etc... are all way better than Pokemon.
You need to play more JRPGs if you really think Pokemon is the best. It doesn't even come close.
>>344412740
Maybe he meant more customizable gameplay-wise and not the story or flavor? I'd say Pokemon is more stats-focused while SMT is more ability-focused.
Take the Speed stat for example. First off, all you need is 1 point more than the other mon to go first if your moves have the same priority. Any more is a waste that can be invested in other stats.
You start with your base Speed as a comparison to the other mon, then your Nature (typically +Speed on anything offensive), and calculate whatever other options you have available such as a Choice Scarf or boosting move like Dragon Dance. Then to continue teambuilding you have to take into account what your opponent will likely be running.
>>344413229
That doesn't make Pokemon a better JRPG franchise than SMT though.
It's the best monster raising game there is, and I only say that cause I haven't played Joker and Cyber Sleuth.
>>344405862
Golden Sun
>kiddies are ACTUALLY arguing that Pokemon is not only better than SMT, but the best JRPG franchise there is.
Summer is indeed here.
>>344413398
No, fuck you.
>>344405862
>the first 2 SMT games are unplayable trash
>nocturne was good but everyone forgot about it
>a billion of shitty spinoff on PS2 and DS
>persona 3/4 were highly overrated and had tons of problem
i'm tired of atlusfag pretending this shit to be good because the alternative is final open world 15
>>344405862
Hello
Persona 2 duology, SMT3, DDS Series, devil survivor series are all top tier RPG
Nothing comes close except for neptunia
>>344413651
DS and 3DS games were great, fuck you.
>>344413815
>TWEWY
>franchise
>>344413117
>multiple endings
Not inherently "better", especially since it's almost always boils down to the same stuff
>affinity system
Not inherently better either, just "more"
>demons have personalities and interact with the Player
Copy-pasted randomized lines of non-dialogue, it's like I'm talking to real people
>it's actually challenging
That's one thing
>characters send story are interesting
Jesus fucking christ, read a book or two every now and then
>exploration is rewarded
So is in Pokémon
>every game is unique and different
That's really stretching it
>all demons are inspired by legend and folklore
I wouldn't take pride in the fact that none of the demons is original
>all demon designs are coherent with each other
I wouldn't word it like that, but let's say I give you this point.
I like SMT more than Pokémon, but your argumentation is pure crap.
>as a JRPG, Pokemon is rock bottoms
I think you are the one who needs to play more JRPGs, because there are endless oceans of trash that make Pokémon look like pure gold.
>>344413892
What about >>344413815
>>344413534
>No, fuck you.
Good argument
>>344405862
Legend of the Heroes.
>>344413974
bad post
>>344413651
>persona 3/4
Not SMT. Good try though.
>>344413974
What the fuck? Are you being real here?
I haven't finished a mainline Pokemon game in years out of sheer boredom. The games fucking suck. ESPECIALLY the new ones. B/W2 was as good as it got, and only the romhacks made them worthwhile. The Mystery Dungeon Spinoffs are better, ffs, Colosseum was better since it was more challenging.
Lufia, Golden Sun, Illusion of Gaia, Dragon Quest, Final Fantasy, Suikoden, Xenogears, Xenoblade, Skies of Arcadia, Earthbound, Super Mario RPG, SMT, Persona, Tales of, Phantasy Star, Grandiose, Valkyrie Profile, Digimon World, Legend of Dragoon, Radiant Historia, TWEWY....
I could go on.
ALL of these are way better than Pokemon
>hurr, you need to play more shitty JRPG to see that Polemon is not shit.
Yeah, because racid shit suddenly makes shit, not shit, right. Sorry, but I don't subject myself to playing trash. The only think PokeMon has going for it as a franchise is nostalgia. It's very subpart overall. Don't even fucking try to argue this shit you stupid child.
Hey guys. I finished SMT IV a week ago and fucking loved it. Artstyle, gameplay, story and music.
I just started DeSu Overclocked and it kinda sucks. Does it get better? Or should I play Nocturne and DDS instead?I'm a newcomer, I've only finished P3/P4 and SMT IV. Tell me what SMT games should I play please
>>344414917
DDS is the best story-wise and Nocturne is the most challenging.
I'm not really fond of Devil Survivor either.
>>344414518
>Spin-off isn't part of the series
I knew one of you spergs would make your way into this thread.
>>344414917
Give DeSu a chance until Day 3. If it doesn't click for you then it never will. Also Nocturne and Strange Journey.
>>344414917
>>344415257
>https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=9PKzU1EeKks
>https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=WWK4bcsdT7M
post some SMT tracks
let's just get the objectively best one outta the way
>https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=rntncXYGJjg
>>344414917
I don't see what people like about DeSu myself either. The only SMT game I couldn't get into, just way too damn slow for me.
>>344415806
Fuck me.
>>344415649
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=fylg8zp4Pzo
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=NoqKasFT76M
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=qDsDYCI3fyc
>>344414917
>Tell me what SMT games should I play
pretty sure pic related is still relevant
>>344415649
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Nm4BjRYrsoo
>>344415475
Megami Ibunroku is still pretty good. I'd suggest 2 before 3/4 though, since it's much better.
>>344413974
Those points were so bad I don't even know where to start anon.
>>344413651
What didn't you like about the PS2 spinoffs? I can understand Purse owner 3/4 not being your taste and maybe aspect guy for the gameplay being iffy but DDS?
>>344413974
>I wouldn't take pride in the fact that none of the demons is original
And a Pokemon based on an ice cream cone is okay...?
>>344415649
1 game rule
https://youtu.be/qeQnnPAT0EI
https://youtu.be/lqyUlXkjldQ
https://youtu.be/xQJOS1BkMZQ
https://youtu.be/Y-Fs2bPw_7I
https://youtu.be/23P3y9b_fRM
https://youtu.be/GamRLR0QrG0
https://youtu.be/rmJDhpZltbs
>>344413534
>blames everything on the summerfag myth
>proceed to give the worst argument ever
pottery
>>344405862
>>344417147
If you think summer is a myth you haven't been here very long. Summer started a long while ago.
>>344417147
>expecting me to take Golden Sun fanboys seriously
Their franchise is dead for a reason. Hardly one I'd call "the best."
>>344417313
You sure I'm the one who's a newfag ? There's literally no evidence that this is actually a thing. It's just a meaningless word you use when you just want to stay an ignorant asshat with no arguments. And when it's not summer, you just use "cuck" or "neo-/v/". They all mean the fucking same thing : "REEEEEE"
>>344417790
Remember moot even said that traffic doesn't increase much during the summer. Don't see why it would matter anyway, people post retarded shit all year round. It's not like the kids can't post on 4chan after school.
>>344413815
God tier game. Sadly even if this was the only problem, there isn't really any room lore wise for a sequel, maybe for another one in the same universe, but not with the same characters except maybe Joshua
>>344417790
>No evidence
Have you ever been on any other /b/oard?
>>344413651
>The first 2 SMT games are unplayable trash
>"I tried playing them once for 5 minutes and couldn't get into them"
Kill yourself autist, SMT2 is the best game in the series
>>344413651
>the first 2 SMT games are unplayable trash
I played the first one not long ago and the second one I finished days ago, though I played the PSX version. They were fine. The worst part about the second one was the fucking backtracking. If not for that it would have been even better. The first one is good in the beginning and end, but a bit boring in the middle.
I will agree that Persona 3 and 4 are pretty bad though.
>>344417790
>>344417942
The quality posts always drops during the Summer, and we see more evidence of kids Posting around.
Also, traffic does increase in tge summer, check the logs yourself. All the major migrations happened in the summertime, so quit making shit up.
>>344417990
>backtracking: the game
Kys
>>344418228
>The quality posts always drops during the Summer
Posts are shit quality every fucking day. Actual quality posts a rare as hell and can happen any time of the year.
>>344405862
Suikoden
>>344408834
>Undubbing IV
But why? IV's English voice acting has to be some of the more competent voicing done by Atlus USA.
>>344417947
I fully agree. I get pissed off every time people cry about no sequel as the game is clearly set up as a standalone, and giving it a sequel would tarnish genuine perfection, even if the sequel lives up.
Plus, the bar is set so high, I doubt it would ever live up to the original. TWEWY is the kind of magic that happens once a decade. People need to appreciate it for what it is, and quit crying.
>>344418228
Come the fuck on, first of all you don't have a magic ability to know the age of posters, and second, no real stats about age/month exist. This is purely out of your ass. Also quality drop ? Hilarious bro, /v/ has been rock bottom every single day since its creation
Do the Japanese remakes, ports, and sequels to Wizardry count? It was a western RPG, yeah, like 36 years ago.
>>344418505
Weeaboos. I understand Japanese, and I still think the major voices are good for the most part. I do like Japanese MILFy voices, but I like Burroughs' English voice is even better somehow. That doesn't happen often.
>>344418435
3 is best game btw
>>344418565
I really should play TWEWY someday.
>>344411523
Literally every Mario & Luigi game is good. Dream Team had a shit pacing and the gyro nonsense, but it played well and was relatively enjoyable. And Paper Jam played it safe in the Mushroom Kingdom, but that game undeniably has some of the best boss fights in the whole series and still maintains the series quirkiness despite the limited setting.
>>344418790
That's a pretty hipster oppinion anon
>>344418748
Burroughs' English voice sounded exactly like what I'd expect a sexy female AI voice to sound like. And all of the characters even go out of their way to actually try and pronounce Japanese shit properly.
>>344418845
Yeah I'd really reccomend it, one of my favourite games
>>344418379
The you obviously haven't been here long. 4chan was always shit, but it was never THIS bad. Back in the day it was a small community of like-minded people just joking around.
Nowadays, 4chan is indistinguishable from Reddit. Ironic shitposting became regular posting. SJWs galore, safespaces are created by SRS mods who shut down nonPC opinions, babies who love to eat mainstream shit run rampant, unpopular opinions which once thrived here are shut down for being edgy, or "contrarian" and actual contrarian go around spitting mainstream opinions just to be "unique." There are no posts with discourse anymore, only memes. This wasn't always the case. This only happened when outside retards tried too hard to fit in.
Any oldfag will tell you, 4chan was gotten way way worse than it was back in the day, and it only keeps going further down.
Case in point, count tge Pokemon Go threads in the catalog.
>>344413117
>demons have personalities and interact with the player
Honestly, if there's one thing I wish they'd improve with SMT games, it's this. It's just mostly random but set dialogue aside from some specific demons. Even then, I wish the interaction was more prominent than "Yeah I'll join" and them saying "here's this thing" sometimes.
>>344418612
No, no it hasn't.
Gb2reddit
>>344418845
You really should. It's easily one of, if not THE BEST JRPG to ever come out.
>>344405862
How is SJ compare to 3 and 4? I wanna tried it but got bummed when called it shit
>>344414917
I also dropped the game the first time I played.
Then I tried again.
Everything from Beldr and later (day 3) is 10/10. It literally went from the black sheep of the series to an addictive drug untill you finish it. The whole "it gets good after X time" is actually true for this game.
>>344418845
Though it sometimes look like they reject its existence, I'm convinced that it's Nomura's magnum opus. The game is so fresh and unique that it's almost physically impossible for a sequel, a successor or even a knockoff to exist.
The controls are the most clever ever made for the DS and make for a pretty high skill ceiling. The artstyle is stylish as fuck and helped give shape to very memorable characters, the music is top notch and probably Ishimoto's best work. The plot is not super complex, but it has a very cool setting and great pacing (aside from a bit of a slow start, that even gets justified later on).
It's simply a masterpiece.
>>344419269
I've been here since 2006. Yes, the 4chan was never a beacon quality, but it WAS better. The quality really dropped off in 2009, and its only gotten worse sense then. But why would I talk about the way this place was a decade ago? That's not 2016 4chan. For the last several years this place has been fucking terrible. Why the fuck would you interpret
>Posts are shit quality every fucking day
as
>This is literally how 4chan has always been.
Do you also object whenever someone says metal music is shit because it used to be good in the 80s?
>>344412937
Are you fucking retarded
>>344419751
Well that's one more JPRG added to my backlog. Been moving through JRPGs I've been interested in for two years now. Maybe I'll finally be done by next year...
>>344419553
I found it super fun. It does go back to the old map style of the originals which is why people might not like it. But it is great.
Would we ever get DeSu 3 /v? I love that series.
>>344405862
I won't name a better one OP because that is the best franchise.
>>344413229
That's still just choosing the Pokemon that you want. If you want to talk about demon fusion into special abilities and the overcast system plus other types implemented into other SMT games it would still beat Pokemon's down without a second glance
>>344405862
Just dropping in to say press turn is shit
>>344420003
Dunno, while 2 improved gameplay big times and raised the challenge, everything else was dogshit compared to one. Music, atmosphere, characters and plot all seemed to me like a washed up copy of 1, and I just shiver thinking what they might come up in 3.
>>344419803
Because as I said, you always notice a drop in quality during the Summers?
Yeah, the day to day bar is shit, but you notice exceptionally bad shit during certain periods, and then that new low becomes the new standard.
4chan is hardly 4chan anymore anyway. The original community migrated to 8ch when the gamergate shit happened. And the only thing this place bears in common to what it used to be is the fact that you can post anonymously. But a forum is made up by its community, and the community of this place has progressively changed, with summer always being the transitional period.
>>344413815
>Faggot Nomura dress up game is better then entirety of SMT franchise.
Oh shit my sides are in fucking orbit!
>>344419751
The game is shit though.
Don't believe this fools lies.
>>344420291
I think you're noticing worse quality because you're expecting it. I used to fall for the summer meme too, but when I stopped and payed attention I realized that it was barely different. Maybe a bit worse, kids would have more time to shitpost in a day, but not significantly worse like people believe.
8ch isn't that great either. I liked it when it just started up, it sort of reminded me of how 4chan was in its older days, but it very quickly went bad too. Good internet communities in general are just a thing of the past.
>>344420567
So the guy saying it's good actually says something as to why, and we're supposed to believe you?
>>344420414
I can't refute this. I haven't played the best of the SMT franchise yet, but what I have played I absolutely love. So I can't give a fair opinion.
Still though, TWEWY is still GOAT anon, you can't deny that. It's certainly up there.
>>344420291
primatesite went downhill this year for a variety of reasons
I love a ps2 jrpg. I forgot the name. You can recruit many characters. Your mc can kick things, people etc. It is mostly no serious plot and generally very comfy jrpg.
>>344420708
Not that guy, but he's right. And all the things the other guy was saying positive about the game are lies. The "artstyle", characters and plot are awful. The only thing it has if an innovative battle system and a serviceable soundtrack.
I mean, if you're a FFXIII/Kingdom Hearts babby, you'll love it. You get to play dress up, too!
>>344420630
Idk man, I would agree with you since I was doubtful if it was actually getting worse here, or if it was just me, but I lurked and posted on 8ch for a bit last year, and it was honestly nostalgic. It reminded me a lot of what I remembered this place used to be like.
The problem is the crawling pace of the boards, but well, you can't have your cake and eat it too.
But yeah, visiting those forums only made it more evident just how bad this place has gotten dude.
We're like GameFAQs mixed with Tumblr tier now... with some nutjobs that try too hard to be edgy over at /pol/. I wonder how much further we can sink.
>>344421129
"dress up" it the worst argument ever because fashion is a gameplay element and you don't even see what the characters look like with it. It's the opposite of cosmetics.
>>344421129
Equips don't even show what's with people talking about dress up, what talking about the brands stuff?
Either way I really like the game, to each their own. Never played Final fantasy or KH either
>>344421129
Quit bring a faggot dude, TWEWY is legit good. Let the anon play it and form his own opinions. Why are you so butthurt?
>that other guy
Quit pretending, we all know these are all you
>>344421129
>>344420567
>>344420414
>>344413651
>nocturne
>forgotten
what
>>344421231
Yeah, I only started coming back here because most of the Dragon Quest fans stayed here, and unfortunately it became a habit I need to break again. Still, certain little quality threads, like this Japan thread that was here earlier, sometimes feel like coming here is still occasionally worth it.
>>344421548
Hey I was in that Japan thread too, cool shit
>>344417741
>Hardly one I'd call "the best."
>When OP said "name better JRPG franchise"
If you read a book or two you could both improve your arguments and your reading comprehension
>>344421308
You must have missed when I said the story and characters are trash, then. And Nomura=shit taste. I already gave you a compliment on your favorite games battle system and music so calm down and stop trying to convince me to like this trash game I already know is bad.
>>344421787
SMT is better than GS, eat dicks.
>>344421916
>And Nomura=shit taste
says fucking you. You're the one who dictates good and bad taste maybe ? Also
>hey I have the right to use bullshit arguments if my other ones are valid, right ?
What the fuck man ? Do you even listen to yourself ?
>>344415649
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=u8xC-_6IvLk
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=LJf7jnRQsdE
>>344422131
Jesus dude, you already proved my point. No need to do it again
>>344408708
You mean megaten
>>344421548
Same, I stick around out of habit, and since I shill my art, and this place has a bigger userbase. I just learned to set my expectations low as to what expect, but this new Pokemon GO surge has really shocked me. Just some of the posts in those threads are brain-numbing. Things I would have never expected to see on /v/
>>344415649
Then post some music from SMT and not megaten
>>344422331
Dead franchise motherfucker.
How does it feel?
>>344421787
Golden Sun sucks really bad, though. It's a subpar SNES-tier game with mediocre everything.
It only got a pass because it was a handheld. But it's still crap.I played it over twelve years ago and had this exact same opinion back then.
>>344422174
You are free to like whatever games you wish, but that doesn't make them good. And I'm normally on the side of subjective taste, but not in this case. Nomura is just objectively bad (at character design). Just go down to the local sex shop and slap some belts and zippers on an Asian blow up doll. Same effect.
And watch your language, sonny.
>>344422435
I don't even know what's going on in them, I haven't opened up a single one. I don't even know anything about Pokemon GO besides the fact that it's a mobile Pokemon game with Gen I Pokemon. It completely slipped under my radar.
>>344422535
>>344422679
>He keeps going
Notice I didn't mention Golden Sun in my post
>>344405862
I want that hat. Also it is the best because it has my favorite game in it. Got me really interested in religious mythos too.
>>344422760
>he
Two different people dude.
What are you even arguing about. If you wanna debate why GS is bad, I'm game. If you just wanna shitpost, go away.
>>344422717
It's a pay2win mobile app that hardly counts as a game, with a popular name attached to, with tons if nostalgic normie appeal. And our Reddit-tier friends are eating it up, simply cause it's popular.
>>344423161
not him but I love GS2 (less so GS1), tell me why you didn't like it. I'm a bit interested if it doesn't include complaints about the amount of text.
Best SMT game playable on 3ds? I kinda feel like checking it out cause I haven't played an RPG in a few years now
>>344423161
>If you just wanna shitpost, go away.
You people have to be the most illiterate fucks I've seen in this site. You can't even grasp what I'm getting at.
Here, let me spell it out for you:
>Someone completely misses the point of the thread and provides no arguments to boot
>Subtly call him a retard
>Somehow you guys interpret this like I'm arguing about the quality of Golden Sun
It's like you don't even know what reading comprehension is
>>344423116
Fuck TicoTico. Even the game calls her insufferable.
>>344423345
There is only one SMT game on the 3ds
2 once 9/20 passes
>>344423436
>not choosing britboy tico
Female tico is super fuckable though
>>344423345
IV. Apocalypse isn't out but should be pretty good. You could also play Strange Journey, even though it's a DS game.
>>344423579
Yeah I have no objection to ds games, you reccomend IV over strange journey?
>>344423298
>>344423298
Actually, most my complaints are about the dialogue and text.
I haven't played the second one, since my game glitched up at the mercury lighthouse, so I never finished it.
The overall pacing of the game is really bad, and the writing uninteresting. The combat is OK, but it's also nothing new or fresh. It's been done before. My exp with GS was that it was a very cookie cutter JRPG with nothing really new aside from the puzzles in the dungeons, which I will praise, since that was the game's strong suit, but it could have also done a lot better there too, giving us Link's Awakening tier dungeon design.
I might give a game a more fair go again in the future, but desu, I feel like I'd rather play BoF3 than GS again.
What's your favorite game /v/? Mine is SMT:Digimon.
>>344423710
I recommend both.
>>344423478
>IV
>Soul Hackers
>Devil Survivor Overclocked
>Devil Survivor Record Breaker
>>344423417
Man, you sure are one autistic fuck.
>>344423889
3 of those aren't SMT games.
>>344423889
>>Soul Hackers
>>Devil Survivor Overclocked
>>Devil Survivor Record Breaker
Megaten
>>344423889
SMT, not MegaTen
>>344419553
It's got the best dungeon crawling in the series by a huge fucking margin, but the combat isn't as good as other entries
So is Apocalypse incorporating elements of Persona into the main games?
>>344405932
JRPG = Japanese role-playing game
>>344423889
>Three aren't SMT
>Isn't even a list of all the MegaTen on 3DS
>>344423116
>Let's make Eva but with more whacky anime shenanigans!
No fuck off
>>344423949
>Can't understand basic english
>"You're autistic"
(You)
>>344424130
>>344424081
As far as writing goes, yes. Sadly.
>>344424081
Just as Persona 5 is reincorporating elements of mainline.
>>344424231
>Still going
Are you bored or something? Or is it like an itch that just won't cure every time you get a (you)?
>>344423979
What's the difference?
>>344424324
That is DLC and even then it's a demon induced dream
>>344424324
Ahhh man, that's aggravating....
Why? Why must waifus pandering bullshit be shoved into every goddamn game now?
>>344424324
>We get to see Isabeau in a swimsuit.
>>344424380
Stop shitposting man
>>344423828
>mercury lighthouse
That's pretty early game, but eh. GS2 is far superior to GS1, with the exception of the disproportionately difficult Air's Rock. BoF3 is good though.
>>344424208
I loved the game m8, it's my favorite game period. It made me want to try out Overclocked too, but I didn't like Overclocked. Boring af.
>>344424479
This is DLC and not even canon
>>344423959
>>344423972
>>344423979
>>344424198
They're marketed as SMT games here in the West. Forgive my ignorance if I've known them as SMT until only recently.
>>344424412
>>344424412
SMT is the mainline franchise. MegaTen is all the franchises, SMT, Persona, DDS, DeSu, etc... SMT only has four primary games, with a couple direct sequels or side games, like Apocalypse or Strange Journey.
>>344424412
MegaTen is the general franchise. SMT refers to the mainline games in said franchise.
>>344424585
Toki's bullshit main game is still pretty blatant waifufag pandering.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=A6cSbof7Pik
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Pea5LJsDwpY
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Cj-Edr0k8TQ
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=UR6pHaeRV3w
>>344424643
Ignorance is not only bliss but you still look like a retard if you don't put the effort into looking at what makes a SMT game an SMT game
>>344424706
It's still a good SMT, at least if you like SMTIV (I did, a lot)
>>344424667
what do the original megami tensei games fall under? Also why does everyone call it SMT if it's supposed to be megaten?
You know, I would love to see another mainline game in the series take place at least partially before the shit hits the fan. Like the first game is you going around present day Tokyo as more and more demons start appearing and shit gets worse. Then the nukes start flying.
>>344405862
Persona isn't SMT. Way to be Ameridumb.
>>344424667
Itis sad that SJ didn't get the SMT name just because it didn't take place in Tokyo
>>344424667
>>344424690
Alright. IV still the best one out of all of them on ds / 3ds then?
>>344424820
It took the shit I mostly liked in IV and shat on it big time. The affinities thing and no RNG fiends was neat though.
>>344424904
Some people think that. If you just want a game to get started with the series, it's perfect.
>>344424848
Original Megami Tensei is just that
Megami Tensei
Here are what the devs call a SMT game
Takes place in Tokyo
Features the fight between Law and Chaos as well as the Neutrals
Features demon summoning and what not
>>344424848
Idk where the original Megami Tensei games fall under. Probably their own franchise depending on how they play. I haven't played them.
The distinction is on how the games play. Every franchise plays very differently, Persona is more VN, DeSu is SRPG, SMT is more Dungeon Crawler, etc...
As for why people do, is cause most people don't know the difference.
>>344424895
It did
>>344425130
No, it didn't
It was originally gonna be SMT 4, but midway they got rid of the SMT name since the game doesn't take place in Tokyo.
>>344424786
That's bullshit. Even the mainline SMT games are different from each other. And considering most other MegaTen games marketed here are similar in that they have the same demons and a similar fusion system, it's easy enough to mistake them for being SMT spin-offs.
Look, the name doesn't matter anyway. We still played and enjoyed the same JRPG, right? Isn't the game itself that matters?
>>344423875
>not posting autistic blue
>>344424904
IV is the only SMT game. The DeSu games are also worth checking out. SJ on DS is good, and I never played Soul Hacker or Persona Q.
>>344425235
I mean, it's still called Shin Megami Tensei: Strange Journey. On an unrelated note, the game's title is pretty apt for what it is and does for the series.
>>344425115
>>344425109
Ah. Well that is all mildly better in terms of an explanation. Discounting Personas after 2, I think it might be because it actually says "Shin Megami Tensei" in the titles of games like DeSu that people call it all SMT.
>>344425324
I meant like including all the other ones that aren't smt which one people say is the best or the best one to checkout or whatever
>>344425324
Persona Q is an easier than usual Etrian Odyssey game with chibis.
>>344424848
MegaTen is the whole franchise conglomerate.
Made up of the very first two games.
Then SMT (literally "True" MegaTen) was made and was even more popular, so that's one of the reasons everything is SMT in America. (Also cause ATLUS thought that American kids are too dumb to know that Megami Ibunroku is Shin Megami Tensei, because both are ATLUS.)
Megami Tensei
Shin Megami Tensei (Devil Summoner is a part of SMT, a sub franchise. And Strange Journey IS a SMT, just not a numbered one.)
Megami Ibunroku Persona
Majin Tensei/Devil Survivor
Demikids
And Digital Devil Saga
Those are the franchises.
>>344425420
Yeah, aside from those anon being dicks, your confusion is not uncommon, the titling for the MegaTen franchise is a fucking mess.
>>344425596
>Correcting someone is being a dick
>>344418306
>I haven't played the game but I've heard there is backtracking
There's one masakado quest that takes 4 hours max to do and has some of the most interesting dungeons in the game. You hardly even need to backtrack at all, pretty much all of the shrines are right near a terminal
>>344425472
Well, there's only IV and Apocalypse, and Apoc isn't out yet. Unless you mean including SJ on DS.
I've only played SJ. I heard IV is good, but tough a nails. And Apoc looks great, but I think you gotta play IV first. I liked SJ personally, but it's only good if you enjoy dungeon crawlers.
>>344425420
It's only SMT in the west. Because ATLUSA decided American kids are too stupid to recognize Persona being like SMT but not being SMT. So because they decided y'all are too dumb to know, y'all became to dumb to know the difference.
>>344425743
>>344425596
Not the guy you were correcting, just read the conversation and thought to ask the question. Also I wonder why the titles are such a mess. I guess this>>344425591 explains some of it, but they still stick Shin Megami Tensei on every game.
>>344405932
You mean elder scrolls senpai
>>344425868
And missed this >>344425868 2 seconds before the post.
Does that mean that it IS considered SMT, at least in the west? Also not American
>>344425958
It happened with Nocturne
Nocturne was a big hit and they then decided to simply slap the SMT name to all of the other games to help marketing
>>344425958
The post you quoted pretty much explains it. The titling has to do with a lot of different things, but I think story focus and gameplay are probably the biggest factors. SMT is more about ideology and the world at large whereas Persona is more about the characters for example. And now modern Persona has taken on VN elements to make that difference even more obvious. I guess there's also some continuity differences too in some cases.
Fairly new to nainline SMT games. Nocturne seems okay.
I broke from the nainline and checked out Digital Devil Saga. Seems great.
Wish I could play these on the Vita.
>Play Nocturne
Fucking beautiful. Amazing, etc.
>Play Persona 3
Fucking awful, pathetic.
>Play Digital Devil Saga
Poor man's Nocturne. Everything is the same, but much worse.
>Play Strange Journey
Not that great.
I'm guessing Nocturne is the only actual good game amongst the newer games.
>>344426726
IV is good too.
>>344426726
If the battle system is what interested you IV is similar. If it's the dungeons you're SOL.
>>344426726
IV is damn good.
>>344419380
Well, there's the Devil Summonner series (before the Raidou games) where demons had personalities and affinity to the player and would sometime ignore your orders and act on their own if they disliked you.
Funny how much more civil the thread became once the Pokemon kiddies left.
I have been told that as someone new to SMT, Strange Jouney will prolapse my asshole.
Is it that hard?
>>344427256
Why do you think /vp/ has their own containment board?
>>344405862
smt raidou is good.
i wish they would experiment more with that kind of combat system.
>>344427283
SJ was the first SMT game I ever played alongside DeSu1, so Idk.
>>344426832
>>344426878
>>344427208
Didn't play IV. It did catch my eye, though. So I will actually give it a shot.
>>344405862
dragon quest or final fantasy
>>344427283
>>344427283
Only some boss fights are hard. The final boss in the law and neutral paths is bullshit. The dungeons get pretty complex later in the game but it's nothing you can't deal with if you have patience and don't mind taking notes.
>>344427557
>The upper left
>>344427560
Is the game story heavy?
>>344405862
RIP Atlus
I've only played Persona 3
is Nocturne worth playing? Persona 4? Digital Devil Saga? The early Personas?
>>344427848
Yes
Not immediately after playing P3
Yes
Persona 1 no, Persona 2 if you can stomach the battle system yes
>>344427705
Not in particular, there's a lot of infodumping when you reach a new area then hours without anyone saying anything.
>>344427774
>Edgelords vs fun loving devs.
>>344427971
>Persona 1 no
>>344427774
TMS is honestly their best 3D RPG, story and setting aside.
>>344428025
>persona fags
>>344428025
Nothing about the first half is edgy. It's more like:
>Thoughtful character design versus otaku pandering
>>344412457
I've been emulating them on my ds. There are a bunch of cheats that really make pokemon less of a shit. Sped up battles a lot, faster movement, and all pokemon getting xp is a start
>>344426327
>>344426389
Thanks
>>344428158
>Glasses are no good
They can't even pander right
>>344427848
I'm playing right now after finishing SMT I and II. I like it so far, though I I'm only just leaving Ginza. Fairly different from Persona 3 though, but you've still got your demon fusing and such.
>Persona 4?
It's better than Persona 3 in a lot of ways. I actually don't like Persona 3 or 4, but it's definitely better.
>Digital Devil Saga?
Haven't played yet.
>The early Personas?
Definitely. They're not at all like Persona 3 though. No social links, no pop music (well, there is in the PSP version of the first game which fucked up the music badly. If you know Japanese, play the Japanese PSX version, otherwise, PSP version is the only real choice), no social/high school sim elements, or any of that. They're just old school dungeon crawlers with good stories.
>>344428025
>edgy games are bad
Motherfucker, if there's anything bad here it's waifus pandering trash
>>344428014
Damn. I was hoping it would be. Not surprised that it isn't seeing as it's a dungeon crawler, but still.
That's a tough call for me. Don't have much experience with the du grin crawling genre, so I'm not sure if it being a dungeon crawler would be enough to keep me going. Might be worth a shot though.
>>344428034
Yeah there are always faggots like that in these threads.
>>344427774
they still make SMT and Persona is fun. i dont see any problem here.
>>344428419
Didn't you get the memo? Edgy stopped being good after the early 2000s.
>>344428536
That's so 2015
Edgy is good again. Waifushit is now bad.
>>344428536
waifu shit is more pathetic.
>Persona 5 make HD demons asset for entire Megaten franchise
>incoming Raidou and million spin-off like Ps2 era
JUST FUKING DO IT ATLUS. JUST DO IT
>>344416850
i didn't like the pacing, it felt like everything in the game took forever, i didn't particulary care for the plot and the system where you hit enemy weak point in order to eat them for skill points was just kinda gimmicky, i also hated how you could cherrypick every skill (even nullyfing your character somewhat random weakness)
nocturne is a game about managing with what you have and fusing your monster when that doesn't cut anymore, if you can just decide to buy the fire set and become resistant to fire it just kinda defeat the point of how the game works
but i want to be honest, i didn't play much of the game, i only played like the first 3-4 hours? i remember reaching some bat boss at least that had this gimmick where he would take damage from earth spell when he landed
>>344428536
Yeah but waifushit has always been worse than edge.
SMT is good for one reason only.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=XmfVjLV1ckU
this bassline and every remix of it.
especially the remixes from smt imagine
>>344428692no
>>344405862
so what exactly makes nocturne great? been playing it for a few days and i mostly find it bizarre more than anything.
>>344429037
Great atmosphere, good dungeon crawling, great turn based battle system.
>Still no Megaten FPS game
>>344429037
Nostalgia.
>>344421546
let's be real here, i love the game and i'm sure the fan does too, but most people know persona and/or SMT4 better
at this point this is the only legacy the game left
>>344429142
It's close enough
>>344428896
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=nDpjjLiJTt4
close but no cigar
>>344428614
That's something I can get behind at least.
>>344429294
>Persona
>Better
IV is highly debatable.
>>344427774
>what the hell happened?
Anime.
