So, apparently, Valve got their shit together again:
http://www.teamfortress.com/post.php?id=22797
Honestly, if they do indeed fix the new casual gamemode so you can pick which map to play, this'll be the greatest update the game has received yet. We got a very decent matchmaking system, a gamemode out of beta, three new maps, tons of balance changes, a new comic and a lot of small things, like the new HUDs.
Heck, they even announced new weapons are incoming along with a huge rework of 2 classes.
Seems like valve is back on track again.Did they really had to increase the spy's speed?
I'm happy to see this. Casual felt way too much like a competitive mode. It's good to know Valve is at least listening a little bit.
Dead game.
>>344389409
>le tf2 is ded meme
>>344389409
>regularly the 3rd most players on Steam
>more than GTA 5
>more than literally every game on Steam besides DOTA 2 and CSGO
>dead
You losing interest in something doesn't make it dead, anon.
>>344390487
gta5 is $60 and isnt steamworks, retail and rockstar social copies arent tracked by steam
get fucked
The one time Valve makes their own content for TF2 since god knows when and they fuck it up. They would have been better off outsourcing this to the community to make it for them.
Valve have really fucked it over
>>344388868
>title
That actually got me thinking. What with Trump being a shoe-in, he probably did scare Valve into actually doing work again when they realized that once elected he'd rip their asses apart for false advertising.
>>344390736
>i-it's just cuz it's free!!
Let me know when they start doing something about rampant offclassing in ranked.
>>344388868
>We hear you
Who did they hear?
How do I make them give a shit about Dota 2 workshop tools again?
The really need to advertise the game more and sponsor some tournaments if they want TF2 to take off.
>>344388868
>still have to fucking untick everything when wanting a specific gamemode
>still 20 mins queues broken system
>implying it's fixed
"The queue times you are currently experiencing are a bug, not a feature", literally confirms their system is broken, and it has been like that forever with MvM, and if they couldn't fix it in years, they won't be fixing it any time soon.
>>344393292
>"The queue times you are currently experiencing are a bug, not a feature"
THAT'S FUNNY VALVE
BECAUSE WE WERE ALL PRETTY SURE THE RIGHTEOUS BISON HITTING MULTIPLE TIMES WAS A FEATURE, NOT A BUG
I WAS PRETTY DAMN SURE THERE WAS AN INGAME TIP SAYING AS MUCH
BUT NO I UNDERSTAND THAT YOU LET A """""BUG""""" STAY IN THE GAME FOR 5 YEARS
THAT'S FINE
>>344390487
did you really just fucking fall for that
why the fuck is valve wanting to make this another cs in the last updates?
>>344395096
CS doesn't make you queue twenty minutes for a casual game. No idea why they fucked up quickplay, no-one, literally no-one was called for 24-man match-making with leave penalties and no map choices.
TF2 is run by retards who don't play the game and don't have a clue about game design.
>>344394934
> reading this whole thing in mike's voice
>>344395096
because they can afford to make even more money with minimal effort and any complaints will be drowned out by the furries and bronies and all of the other garbage players that still populate the game paying pretty pennies for ebin digital swag
Between Overwatch and CSGO, I don't see any reason to still play TF2
>>344395493
I'M ANGRY GOOTECKS
I'M DAMN ANGRY
>>344395495
>don't see any reason to still play TF2
fun ?
>>344395609
if you still have less than 2000 hours sure
>>344392093
Not exactly sure, but there was a discussion on Steam with a shit load of replies regarding fixing Casual like the day the update dropped.
>>344395358
>TF2 is run by retards who don't play the game and don't have a clue about game design.
seeing that righteous bison nerf confirms this since according to whoever made those patch notes the bisons ability to hit someone multiple times is a bug and not intented feature
So what do the levels in casual actually do? Do you just get a badge or some shit?
is it just me or is valve fucking up more and more every update?
>>344395938
nothing
it's a pointless feature for people who like watching bars fill up
>>344395938
yes, but it replaced normal mod, so you have no choice but to play
>>344395998
They've been fucking up in general more and more with every year
since the cosmetics boom they've been declining extremely rapidly in quality control
>>344393292
Did you read the post, idiot?
>First, and most important, queue times. The queue times you are currently experiencing are a bug, not a feature. It is something we are actively working to correct. Several backend issues appeared post-launch that culminated in long wait times. Removing this issue is our highest priority right now.
They said they haven't fixed it and that they are are working on it
>>344388868
This update unironically made me unistall TF2 definitely. I waited to see how Valve would fix the situation but they just made it worse.
I'm questioning if I should sell my "valuable" items on the market as well, so I can buy an actual videogame.
>>344396140
can you blame them though? most fucktards will buy all those new hats and taunts no matter how shit the game is, they are making millions of this, so they keep making them
>>344396258
>the butthurt
not even a week passed since they saw the shitstorm it made, they are still fixing it you whiny fuck
>>344396258
I haven't played TF2 in several months, what's wrong with the update?
>>344396283
Can I blame them for making easy money as a business? No not really.
Can I blame them for enabling this much cancer in the process and being generally shitty in practice? Hell yes
You can't blame the producer without also blaming the consumer for their success, but when the producer goes from trusted to utterly scummy there's a line to be drawn.
>>344388868
Since I love to surf pubs, I thought volvo killed tf2 for me with this update. Thanks Gaben. Thank you so fucking much
>>344396510
everything
and the ones before it weren't great either
>>344396510
oh boy
>removed normal mod
>takes 30 mins to find match
>penalty if you exit the match, but if people leave anyways you need to leave too because you are just getting spawncamped for 10 mins
>can't choose map
>can't choose server
>only "normal" games are in community servers
>>>>>>people are defending it
did i miss something?
>>344396258
But they are fixing it.Also show us your items you fag
>>344396696
you realize they're fixing all of that, and you can still pick servers
i guess its really easy to complain about anything
>>344388868
>So, apparently, Valve got their shit together again:
Yea, okay. This is the same fucking company that fucked up their servers and gave out everyone's personal info.
>>344396887
you can choose community servers, not valve servers
also they only decided to fix this after everyone lost their shit and muselk made a video on it instand of using common fucking sense, which is what im at least butthurt about
>>344395998
The problem is that TF2 is older and far less popular than csgo and dota so no-one at valve gives a shit about it other than a few people who are crap at making games.
>>344396887
yeah choose between all those trade servers, orange, x10, surf, achievement, p2win mods etc. what if you just want a normal game of tf2?
>>344397369
There are plenty of servers like that. Skial is just one example.
>>344397004
Name a company who hasnt done this
>>344397553
My company
>>344397468
Serious question here, how do I find them (normal servers)? Is there a tag I can filter by?
>>344397871
no, you just fucking read the server names
you know, that thing you do when you wanna decipher words in english
>>344388868
Pass time is fucking shit, the last new weapons they added were dogshit and the "balance" involved nerfing the pompsons damage (because that was totally the problem) nerfing the bison (totally a huge probelm), this update is fucking shit.
I really want regular pub servers back. I know the le valve server meme xDDD is a thing, but it's hard to find a community server that just has regular stock map rotations. Waiting for a casual game takes too long.
>>344388868
I don't even play Spy unless its called for but its terribly awkward to have to chase after an enemy who doesn't know you're there. I feel like the buff was fine.
>>344388868
Youre welcome
-Overwatch Master Race player
if it wasnt for OW Valve wouldnt give a shit about your poor little game
>>344399483
What's wrong with casual after they add the improvements that they've told us about?
>>344399483
Casual mode will be a improved version of pubs after the patchs, as they intended on fist place.
You don't have to worry about the ranking system, it's just there to cater autist. The long queue times are just a bug that will be fixed soon, and things like votekick, map selection and so will be in again in in a heartbeat, as they say in the patch notes.
So what wil we get? A pub where the people actually plays the objective because of the pointless ranking system and without team scrambling.
Literally an upgrade of quickplay servers.
>>344390736
>gta5 is $60
>this is evidence tf2 is dead
>>344399751
It's competitve mode without the ranking
>>344400206
And how's that bad?
Who decided that Heavy needed rampup on damage and accuracy when firing? Why was this considered acceptable in the first place???
Calling it now, if Heavy wins the war, a big part of his update will be reverting this
>>344400680
If heavy wins the war, the big part will be new weapons for him.
Shut the fuck up.
>>344400680
>Heavy
>winning against the brony autism favorite
>heavy 48%
>pyro 52%
>>344400279
People want to play fun, non penalty vanilla TF2 on deicated valve servers, not bizzaro Overwatch without ranking.
And no, playing on the furry trade community servers is not the same as Valve servers.
>>344400847
They could start by reverting the nerfs that make 90% of all his current weapons useless
>Valve introduces a mechanic that makes heavy one of the worst classes in the game
>nerfs most of his unlocks into the ground
>their "fix" for this is to toss more weapons at the community instead of addressing these problems
I hope you're being ironic right now
>>344401035
Fireman guy is my favorite. I always like burning people with furfag avatars or ponies.
>>344401035
I wouldn't be that mad if Pyro wins because he really needs an overhaul as well, even if heavy needs it more.
Plus I consider Pyro more fun to play than Heavy
>mfw in 1 hour i have got to play 1 match
how is it even remotely possible to fuck up matchmaking this bad
>>344388868
Thank god. The penalties were complete bullshit, but the overall idea of casual mode is great. People are not all going one class, focusing on the objective, i even had a f2p pyro spychecking my buildings for an entire game.
>>344397204
>>344397369
>2016
>People would rather play on valve servers than community dedicated servers
>valve releases desperate attempt to get people to come back
>TF2 IS BACK GUYS
>update is completely broken as fuck, 20 minute queues for casual
be honest: did valve forget how to make video games?
>>344401530
>implying that all of the good community servers didn't die when valve servers were added to quickplay
>>344388868
This is the first time I've heard the tf2 team actually communicate with its audience since the game went fucking f2p.
>each halloween update includes a regular version of the event's halloween themed maps so you can play them all year long
>last year's update included halloween versions of moonshine, millstone and sunshine without including their default versions
>millstone and moonshine's layouts are still exclusive to halloween
Reminder
http://frompyrowithlove.com/
>>344401912
Most likely the last time too. I hope it was everything you hoped it was.
>>344395998
>Patch ships out with bugs
>Fixed within several days
>"WHY CAN'T VOLVO STOP FUCKING UP????"
More like why don't people have the cranial capacity to see when something is clearly broken, and how it's taken less than a week to be addressed and then fixed.
It's painfully clear that not being able to pick maps was a mistake that's being fixed also within the week, but almost none of this matters because it all just applies to casual quick play and can be 1000000% ignored by just joining a server.
I know people have literally literally nothing better to do than sit around and complain about video games, but this sort of shit is just common sense.
>>344401035
I'm am sooprised heavy even made it that high up
>>344401530
Every update for a while has been trying to kill those servers, and they've been dying in the boatloads, the only real option left is something like Skial.
They've also been killing the modding scene with shit like sv_pure 0 just so people dont mod out their ugly ass skins.
>>344402045
>Patch ships out with bugs
>/v/ thinks this is acceptable
>what is beta testing
>>344402045
>and how it's taken less than a week to be adressed and then fixed
Yet all the characters are unbalanced as all hell and every aspect of the update is flawed
>>344401058
Did you even see the blogpost in the OP? How penalties are going to be removed?
>>344402193
Sorry, how they are ALREADY REMOVED.
>>344402045
I dont think tf2 ever actually fixes its shit though.
People just stop playing it and the servers actually can handle the smaller load. The item server dying is pretty much a staple of every update.
Competitive is shit
Also
>F2P allowed
>>344402181
You know matchmaking had fucking 11 public stress tests and it still ended up like this
What are your predictions for the heavy/Pyro updates at the end of the war, /v/?
>>344401345
They'll fix it, retard. Didn't you read the post?
>>344402045
Wow, Valve is fixing what makes the game literally UNPLAYABLE
And the shit casual and competitive gamemodes, all the other bugs and pointless nerfs/buffs are never going to be adressed
>>344402346
War updates have always been extremely close, but I'm guessing the pyro
>>344402181
I don't have autism so I can wait a week for broken thing to be fixed without throwing a fit.
>>344402389
>Yeah bro, Volvo promised us this time!
>>344402392
No, I'm asking for predictions on what the winners update will BE
Also, when does the war end?
>>344402390
You can ignore the casual play button and use the server finder, like the game has always been and always will be.
>>344402346
since all the furries and other degenerates play pyro, he will probably win
>>344402346
People with half a brain has already realized the Pyro needs it more, as the class is completely fucked. A group of Pyro players even made a Page for Valve: http://frompyrowithlove.com/
But again, this is tf2. Heavy will win because "muh hoovy need a new sandvich LOL"
>>344402509
>Click on community servers
>It's all trade and x10 servers with MLP plugins and the vanilla one is in fucking Brazil
>>344402489
Actually they are alreay on it. THey've already released a patch, and for the first time the devs are actually telling us what they are doing.
So,yeah...
>>344402538
Hey, I'm not a degenerate and I like playing pyro. He's such an underrated support class, everyone just w+m1s at the enemy without realizing what a powerhouse he is at keeping your fellow teammates safe and healthy.
I just want an update that boosts his flanking/movement options, given that he IS supposed to be an "offensive" class, after all
Memes aside, why do people dislike SKIAL servers?
>>344402651
Dumb phone poster
>>344402584
Both classes are fucked and Valve is making us fight in the really shiity, one hour wait time competitive servers for which one they can put the least effort into actually fixing instead of being competent and doing both.
>>344402793
Same amount of autism just on a smaller screen
>>344402584
Heavy needs a buff for comp about 2000x more than Pyro, because Pyro actually has utility and can at least be theoretically played at high levels, despite it's tremendous difficulty and totally inability of the user to fuck up ever in order to do so, but Heavy is basically garbage and can be hard countered by anyone with sufficient skill level unless the map is built around them.
>tfw can't play comp because I don't have a phone
Fucking shit Valve, not everyone is a rich first-world hipster!
>>344402651
TW: reddit
https://www.reddit.com/r/tf2/comments/4rut9x/some_good_community_servers_for_different_regions/
>>344388868
>tfw scout can still airblast
>tfw that airblasting gun is still a downgrade to the FaN
>tfw the Righteous bison, one of the worst weapons in the game was nerfed
>tfw the righteous bison hitting the same person multiple times was a bug, not a feature
>tfw the fucking brass beast was nerfed
>tfw the fucking steak sandvich was nerfed
>tfw the fucking natascha was nerfed
>tfw the Hu long heater became the sun on a stick, which is practically a nerf
>tfw the Tomislav has been significantly better than all of the other miniguns, and its not the one that got nerfed
>tfw the Danger shield didn't get Nerfed but the Cozy Camper did
>tfw the Sodapopper got baby face nerfed
>tfw the crit-a-cola's nerf isn't even noticeable
>tfw Competitive faggots have made Soldier fucking immune to nerfs despite being as stupidly overpowered as Mcree was in Overwatch
>tfw Demoman isnt allowed to wear boots that increase his mobility, but Soldier is
>tfw the new pyro mechanic is just another thing discouraging people playing medic in pubs
>tfw the new jumper models look like total shit
>tfw you see the rocket jumper's reload animation
>tfw the enforcer is supposed to be the anti-vaccinator now
>tfw the eureka effect is now the best wrench in the game
>tfw Highlander got cut
>tfw people actually like 6s
>tfw 6s features 4 classes being better than the other 5 classes
>tfw theres no placement matches for competetive
>tfw competitive matchmaking will be a glorified pub for about 3 months
>tfw they're not even doing seasons for competetive matchmaking
>tfw they actually spent time to make gamble boxes for the Mann Co store
>tfw Casual Matchmaking still uses comp rules, stop watches on payload
I dont think that just because competitive casual matchmaking is getting fixed up a bit it saves the update at all.
>>344402509
Except the server browser is a hellish wasteland of trade servers, all-crit insta-respawn orange servers, x10 servers, ERP groups, and pay2win scams
>destroy server community by introducing valve servers
>"it's OK, who cares, just play on valve servers lmao"
>remove valve servers :^)
>???????
>>344403013
>lotus clan
since when are they good?
>>344403090
Nigga the huo long is buffed. -10 damage in a minigun doesn't do shit, and the ammo it wastes it's removed. Plus, it's bonus damage against enemies on fire helps you compensate it's slightly less damage.
>>344403226
I remember playing on their servers a while ago, did they go to shit?
>>344402920
Heavy is a serious threat in 6s because he more-or-less completely shuts down soldier and scout arial plays. His presence mandates the other team running sniper to counter, which combined with the teams having to slow down to keep up with the heavy, slows the game down to a crawl. Heavy isn't played much in 6s because nobody wants to put up with how unfun a heavy-inclusive meta is (also his difficulty in rollouts to mid)
>>344403331
No they didn't. But the community will bitch about literally anything they can.
Fuck you.
>>344403247
Yeah sure and the sun on a stick is a viable scout melee.
The heater is a flat downgrade unless you specifically have a scorch shot pyro friend.
Isnt this supposed to be a war between pyro and heavy, why is heavy being given a weapon that synergizes with him.
>>344402920
>What is rage heavy
>>344403396
Thats probably why he keeps getting nerfed.
Comp Soldier faggots cant stand the idea of Soldier actually struggling to kill a class.
I WANT MY OLD TOMISLAV BACK
Fuck the new update I got a cooldown for crashing twice. They forbid me from playing their game in 'quickplay'
>>344403727
you aren't getting shit. Fuck off with the heavy.
Go team Pyro. We need this.
>>344389409
so.. this... is a dead game...
amazing...
>>344403801
desu I dont think there will even be a prize.
Pyro will get a new set of gimmicky free-critical weapons and will still be a total joke class.
And in 2 years Heavy will get nerfed in his own update.
VOTE FOR HEAVY YOU FUCKING KEKS
>>344403686
It's more of the fact that the only way to deal with perma/midfight-viable Heavy is with all manner of cancerous bullshit like perma-Sniper, that make the unplayably slow, monotonous, and stalemate-prone. In general, high level tf2 is VERY prone to huge stalemates where fucking nothing happens for 90% of the game as teams try and score isolated picks, and heavy/sniper exist solely to encourage this crap. Hence their power being seen as a negative.
>>344404206
so lets kill the much larger casual scene for the comp scene that has less than 2,000 players.
Its almost like they're trying to make a fucking comp experience out of a casual as fuck game.
>>344404432
That's not why heavy was nerfed. Valve doesn't give a fuck about the competitive scene. Heavy was nerfed because shitters couldn't deal with his health pool-to-damage output ratio, and were complaining about ambush heavies instakilling them from around corners
>>344388868
adding competitive mode in 2016 after years of begging... too late baby
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=SyL2Zxngs6A
>>344395998
It seems so and this doesn't just apply to tf2. Look at dota 6.87 and the goypendium, what a mess
>Get a map that expires after some days BUT IT'S OK GOY BECAUSE IT'S SUMMER THEMED
>The entire fucking concept of river vials (not only painting the river, the fact idiots are going with the vial in their inventory to the middle of the map, sacrificing a slot only to get ganked 10 seconds in and die alone)
>>344404736
I'm sure b4nny being involved in the update was just a coincidence then.
Competive is quite boring, maybe even more boring than typical valve servers experience. I just don't see the point
>>344403473
>The heater is a flat downgrade unless you specifically have a scorch shot pyro friend
No, it lets you do 125% damage to anyone you can set on fire yourself as well.
Not him, but just today in a Casual server on Frontier as Heavy, I dropped down from the balcony above a group of enemies, set them on fire, and then completely raped them with my bonus damage and killed about eight players that way.
It's sort of like Heavy's best close-range Minigun option for going into choke points, warding off Spies, setting on fire twitchy Scouts that run circles around you, all that in addition to synergy with Pyros.
>>344390487
>what is idlers
>what is diaperfurs erping on trade servers
>>344402045
>>Patch ships out with bugs
I'm going to stop you right there and say this shouldn't be happening in the first place. There shouldn't be glaring problems in the fucking main menu of the game that revolves around getting people into game servers at the start of the update.
I could understand that if they were just minute bugs or glitches that not very many would give a shit about in the grand scheme of things, but matchmaking being completely fucked from the start isn't just "bugs" that's a fuck up.
>>344402584
>half a brain has already realized the Pyro needs it more
By half a brain, you mean they got a lobotomy?
>>344404432
>so lets kill the much larger casual scene for the comp scene that has less than 2,000 players
Meat your Match was the matchmaking update, it's not just the "comp scene of 2000" you fucking cunt.
The players asked for matchmaking and they got it. Now the game will be balanced around matchmaking. Matchmaking isn't going to work if the game isn't balanced.
>a casual as fuck game
It was made to be casual-friendly but that doesn't mean it can't be competitive too. TF2 has one of the highest skill ceilings of any game out there, it's not like it's fucking Candy Crush.
>gets 70 kills against hacker team and we win
>mfw no exp was awarded
>>344405867
If they took b4nny's help seriously they would have at least implemented class limits. Introducing stopwatch mode =/= balanced 6s format
>>344406005
>idlers
Guess how I know that you are full of shit
>what is diaperfurs erping on trade servers
And what percentage of the playerbase is that? 0.5%?
Let me know when Valve servers come back, and that I get to actually choose what map I want to play.
Fuck you, I actually like pub servers. Community servers are garbage.
Is it just me or casual matches are nothing but shitstomps? It's either my team or the other getting anal raped every time.
>>344406797
The matches I've played were very close, with the occasional roll. There's a hidden ELO in casual, give it time to adjust itself.
>>344406797
i had the same experience as >>344407194 in five games so far
game 1, dustbowl: enemy team actually had a hacking sniper, we effortlessly won on offense but on defense they started running bonk scouts and their hacker worked overtime and we very nearly lost, funny game
game 2, gorge: after difficult pushes we won by a VERY narrow margin
game 3, mountainlab: i had to carry but we did eventually win after a long struggle
game 4, sunshine: we lost after a struggle
game 5, frontier: the enemy team was down 3 people and the system didn't replace them for some reason so we won, but even that one was still pretty close (we probably would have lost if they'd had more people)
where were you when shortstop was kill?
>>344401956
This is strangely sad.
>>344399593
this
Also, TF2 is rotting corpse they are milking for years using crates without giving a single shit.
Everyone should just move along to other games by now, so Valve would be forced to make something new for once.
>>344408001
>Valve would be forced to do something new if TF2 died
Do you seriously think TF2 is the only product generating revenue in everything Valve has produced? They could have all their games crash and they still would go on just fine without giving a shit through Steam alone.
>>344408273
What he is saying is that Valve should make video games.
>>344408273
Yeah it's not like they added matchmaking to keep the game alive even though they could've neglected it.
>>344403090
half of what you said is wrong though you fucking sperg
Dead fucking game.
Valve proving once and for all they don't give a fuck about making or maintaining vidya anymore.
>>344399593
>>344408001
wtf is wrong with overfags? Go back to your fucking game. TF2 players don't give a shit about overwatch, but you are like vegan gay trans atheist snowflakes obsessed with pestering everyone about how special they are. Go back to your game.You have to shit on another game to praise your weaboo simulator. It's like eating bull's testicles in a restaurant and shouting that everyone who doesn't enjoy bull's balls is a plebeian faggot with no taste.
>>344401190
>>344401035
>even if heavy needs it more
heavy doesn't need it more anon. you probably know why but I will explain anyway.
pyro makes bad players massively salty, is very weak against good players, and filled with bugs.https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=0Az-g0YIIpk
Every day it remains in its current state, it is seeing less use in high level play than Heavy, and killing people who shouldn't have died thanks to bugs. That's why it needs fixing first.
heavy is a good class all around at all levels of play when GRU/sandvich is unbanned, with very few bugs. His only problem is being slightly boring and that can wait. Pyro is broken NOW.
That said thank you for voting teamheavy anyway as it will make the competition more interesting, and I am still excited to see what weapons he gets, but I think it can wait.
>>344401956
>pyro
>competetive
kek
>>344408920
if competitive hearthstone can be a thing, then competitive pyro can be a thing
memes aside shotgun does take aim, and reflects do take positioning and timing
>>344408757
Pyro is stronger than heavy in competitive, which seems to be the new balance direction that Valve is rolling with.
The damage and accuracy rampup just murders Heavys effectiveness against a well-coordinated and effectively-composed team
>>344409219
>Pyro is stronger than heavy in competitive
Pyro is not stronger, he's used with roughly equal frequency to Heavy in competitive.
And that's only because they keep GRU, Eviction Notice and Sandvich intentionally banned to keep him down because they don't want Heavy to be too strong.
On the other hand, the times they've banned Powerjack and Reserve Shooter for Pyro, it barely made a difference. Pyros still couldn't get to the battle in time and couldn't get close enough versus competent players to deal solid damage.
Heavy is a stronger class than Pyro, by far, when you take one of his two speed boost melees and his portable health kit into account.
>>344409054
>was on a tf2 forum
>talking about skill ceilings
>Someone mentions pyro's airblast
>"Hurrdurr you don't need skills when you have 3 seconds to airblast rockets"
Every faggot who doesn't play pyro need to shut the fuck up when they don't know anything about the class
>>344409219
>Pyro is stronger than heavy in competitive
Except you are fucking wrong.
Heavy is a situational pick for defending last.
Pyro is literally never used.
>>344409661
I was talking about 9v9, where in situations where both pyro and heavy are always available, pyro is much more valuable to the team
>>344388868
>tons of balance changes
not really, there's very little and they're very disappointing
I mean, nerfing the brass beast and natascha? Even though they were already useless? Really? I was expecting heavy to be buffed through the roof and they nerfed him instead.
And most of the worthless weapons have been left untouched.
>>344409729
>pyro is much more valuable to the team
No he is not.
There is literally no difference. Just because you are forced to have pyro on your team doesn't change anyhing.
He's not used in 6v6 because he's shit. His range is too short and airblasting doesn't make up for his inability to do anything else.
>>344409729
>I was talking about 9v9, where in situations where both pyro and heavy are always available,
Pyro rarely outfrags the Heavy in HL though.
>update adds nice server browser
>next update removes it
I think your definiton of "got their shit together" is extremaly flawed.
>>344388868
it's over, faggot.
hat fartshits 2 is dead.
you lost.
cope.
>>344409870
>no he is not
pyro does literally every job the Heavy does in 9v9 better than the heavy
>protects combo from bombers
>protects combo from spies
>stuffs enemy ubers
>clears points
>clears stickies and other traps
the only thing heavy has is his 450 HP and xboxhueg damage at facefucking range, but thanks to the rampup he can't even get into position without already being spun up and firing, which makes him 9001% less maneuverable than before. If you actually get the heavy in close enough range to be able to do effective damage the Demo should have already killed the threat, and his combo protection utility is done better by a pyro + scout who can aim
>>344409874
>measuring credit to team by frags
I seriously hope you're being ironic right now
>>344408610
Alright then, enjoy your dead game
TF2 is at its best when only scout, soldier, demo and medic are played
>>344389409
It will literally never die unless they shut it down in preparation for TF3.
>>344410551
I've been on servers with pretty good soldiers, engi's and huntsman snipers while playing pyro, and that's just so much fun.
>>344410746
>Huntsman
REEEE
>got its shit together
No they didn't. Tf2 is still the same damn broken mess it was 2 weeks ago
>>344410801
It's a pub and we were just having fun
>>344409583
they keep Heavy weak because the only counter to a strong heavy is Sniper/Spy, and nobody wants to deal with permanent Snipers in 6s
>>344411007
Snipers are already the most common situational pick after scout though.
>>344411231
and everytime they come out the game slows down by a factor of 10
>mfw this gets fixed in a week or two
>meanwhile overwatch's competitive mode is gonna be shit for another three months
Bravo Blizzbabies
>>344397553
That doesn't make it ok, anon.
Shit update 2bh. DA was the only weapon thatbdeserved a nerf
>>344411540
What happened to the quick fix?
>>344391145
it is...
like, do you really think tf2 having a tenth of CS GO's numbers is healthy for a f2p game with the server costs valve has?
>>344412064
The uber build rate got nerfed by 15%. Still a viable medigun tho.
>>344412064
they gave the "match your heal target's movement speed" gimmick to every other medigun in the game, and slowed down the Quickfix's uber build rate
>>344410152
>measuring credit to team by frags
spychecking is far, far less useful when the enemy team isn't FORCED to run spy 24/7. Valve has said specifically before that Highlander isn't how they want the game to be run, and as such matchmaking will not have a permanent spy present. Plus Heavy can do a wonderful job of spychecking anyway, in fact pretty much anyone can.
heavy wastes at least half an uber on his own just from his HP pool when overhealed, pyro is easily shot while attempting to cancel out an uber
I'll give you clearing points of enemies with airblast but most of the time it's better to just shoot them to death than to impotently puff them away and die a second later.
Heavy can clear stickies no problem.
The utilities you listed aren't worth running a weak class like Pyro over a strong class like Heavy, esp. when he can throw medium health kits at his Medic and can actually kill shit from a distance and pack the highest HP in the game
>>344411540
You can't kill the Brass BeastIt was already dead.
>>344411540
>Disciplinary Action on a list of RIP items
This isn't up for debate- that's flat out wrong. Disciplinary Action is still a great weapon. It is not """dead""".
The DA's change is actually more of a buff than a nerf. With the exception of maybe Scout, almost all of the classes in the game will get roughly the same distance away from the DA Soldier as they would before...only now, instead of having 0.6 seconds to catch up to them with increased speed, the Soldier now has a full 1.6 seconds to catch up with a faster target. It actually makes it way, way easier to use the DA now. The 'nerf' effectively makes it even more effective because a Soldier can now use his longer-lasting speed boost to run up on faster classes that stupidly just sprint away from the guy making them run even quicker.
Disciplinary Action allows Soldier to speed multiple members of his team into battle 20/30/40% faster, has the longest melee range in the game, and the only penalty it pays for this is 16 damage (and Soldier rarely uses his melee for damage anyway). It's still easily Soldier's most powerful melee weapon, yes, even more powerful than Escape Plan and Market Gardener.
There's other stuff on there that could be up for debate, but seriously Disciplinary Action does not belong on that list. You'll mislead newbies.
>>344412286
>heavy wastes at least half an uber on his own just from his HP pool when overhealed, pyro is easily shot while attempting to cancel out an uber
it's more important to get the ubered players off of the point and away from your teammates than having them focus fire on you. If anything, the ubered team can ignore the heavy, kill the team, and clean him up afterwards once the heavy's support infrastructure has been eliminated. Airblast is much more valuable for stuffing ubers than a distraction that you can strategically ignore.
>kill shit from a distance
>with the minigun
lol. Flares are MUCH more efficient at killing shit from far away than anything the Heavy could throw out, especially for harassing classes like sniper.
>pack the highest HP in the game
Snipers and crits exist. If anything, the presence of a Heavy just means that Snipers become required to run at all times.
And that STILL doesn't even consider the fact that Pyro and Heavy's most frequent job is protecting the combo from bombing soldiers, and the Pyro is much more effective at stopping this than the Heavy.
>>344388868
but the game still runs like garbage
>heavy v pyro is within 10% of eachother
Doesn't this feel a little weird? Ever since that summer sale where redddit rigged the polls to be neck and neck, I've always been curious if they're doing it again.
Or maybe it's just that close? I don't know.
>>344413160
The last WAR was around about this close.
And Pyro is a polarizing class- a lot of people like it, but a lot of people hate it.
>>344413516
when does the War end?
>pyro
>competitive
every time until you like it
>>344413852
>implying that's relevant
sniper v sniper fights also look goofy as fuck, but Sniper is one of the most competitive classes in the game (to everyone's dismay)
>>344414149
the difference being pyro has a flamethrower that spits hitboxes that cause damage
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Sh3gPQuVCWo
>>344402045
apparently they wanted to make it possible to choose map from the very start but "didn't want to overload the matchmaking with varibles"
sounds like bull to me tBh
What are the must have items? I thought myself done years ago, and gave away all my junk. Looking to get vampire gun and uber saw for medic, and Direct Hit for the purpose of breaking spam habit.
>>344409054
>timing and positioning
You know, except for the fact that it can reflect from behind the pyro and will go wherever you want it to regardless of relative position. That and cutting all velocity from moving targets - instantly - amounts to a cheap, forgiving mechanic that is just not fun to play against at any level.
Making it less forgiving and more skillful could easily be done by making it apply velocity to target relative to where the pyro is aiming on top of their current one, instead of wiping their speed completely and then applying a static value, and also make the cone more narrow.
>>344405983
>No, it lets you do 125% damage
but that's wrong, it's only 112,5% damage when you take the -10% nerf into consideration
>>344401096
what mechanic?
>>344401652
they seem to be complete out of touch with their costumers
fiasco after fiasco every year
steam machines, paid mods
they even introduced fuckin P2W CUSTOM MAPS in dota 2 for fucks sake
>>344413852
Pyro v Pyro was a hell of a lot more skillful and interesting before Degreaser was gutted
>>344412961
>lol. Flares are MUCH more efficient at killing shit from far away than anything the Heavy could throw out
yeah LOL XD LMAO those flares are so effective at killing people and not easily dodged compared to hitscan. That's why Flare is Pyro's main HL weapon over shotgun right???? right?????????
do you get that I'm mocking you? I can make it more blatant if you want
>Snipers and crits exist
Heavy is one of the only classes who can survive many kinds of crits without dying in one hit. And the mere threat of Sniper maybe being run wasn't enough to discourage a Heavy pick, that's why GRU was banned.
Anon you need to learn that Highlander has little to no relevance to competitive matchmaking TF2. It's a 9v9 mode where every class is forcibly run, compared to a 6v6 mode with offclassing. Goodnight and git gud HL shitter.
>>344402737
there were (fake?) skial servers with abusive forced adverts (attempted to hijack game to force ad views).
>>344415484
>yeah LOL XD LMAO those flares are so effective at killing people and not easily dodged compared to hitscan.
oh my god, are you one of those people who tries to counter-sniper Snipers as Heavy, shooting them for an hour and doing 2 damage/second? You're hilarious
>Flare is Pyro's main HL weapon over shotgun
shotty and flare see almost equal usage because they're one of the best-balanced sidegrade options in the game. Shotty for pyro v pyo fights and anti-scout shenanigans, flare for long-range harassment. The fact that you don't get this means that you're a huge shitter
>heavy dies in 2 crit stickies instead of one (which he can't avoid in the first place because he has no movement or reflect)
>this is supposed to be some massive advantage
wow so stronk
GRU is banned because heavy being viable at midfights forced perma-snipers which is anathema to the 6s community, not because GRU heavy is some invincible hulk of a class
>>344412064
it is now literally garbage. it's in the same situation as the BFB.
>want pyro to win because he admittedly needs a rework more than anybody else right now, but that would mean siding with furfags and bronies and shitting on the heavy mains who also deserve some attention from valve
>>344415995
just embrace it, anon, if you let retards decide your actions for you by association, you won't get anything done
>>344395495
> evolution.jpg
>>344415995
I hate this meme
>>344409729
Currently, there's nothing that the Pyro does that the Demo doesn't do better in comp. Pyro is worthless.
>>344417106
demo can reflect enemy rockets and pills?
>>344414309
Help!
>>344414309
go to a trade server and you'll easily get any normal-quality weapons you ask for for free, or at least 2:1 scrap. the way drops work now you also will be getting weapons after every match played through quick-play.
stock is still mostly king, with the three major exceptions being scout (winger and atomizer), pyro (rake or powerjack, scorch shot), and heavy (sandvich/G.R.U.).
>>344414309
Stock is pretty much always a solid choice, just wait for random drops
>>344417335
Cheers.
>>344417335
>axestinguisher is no longer a thing
it hurts so much
>>344416994
>if I call the truth a meme, maybe it is a meme
Why play tf2 when overwatch is out?
>>344418115
it's literally a meme faggotron
>>344418315
>if I call the truth a meme, maybe it is a meme
>>344418251
people are too attached to their shit, especially unusual hats
>>344395495
To this day I still think Demopan fits perfectly with the TF2 artstyle
>>344418251
Overwatch is shit and boring as fuck after a while.
t. Somebody who regrets their purchase
What's with viewmodel fov being so low? The bar in advanced options isn't even there anymore. It feels like it's in 45 or something when I had it in 90.
>>344401530
>People would rather play on valve servers than community dedicated servers
Because community dedicated servers are garbage.
Sorry, not sorry. I don't like instant respawn. I don't like 24/7 2fort. I don't like rtd.
I like the game pretty damn close to vanilla as is. That's not asking too much, is it?
>>344418843
open console
viewmodel_fov
do people here use fps configs? my fps drops to 50s when shit is going on
my FPS is all floaty, constantly shifts between 250 and 50. Lowering settings doesn't even help.
>>344418843
>"anything that isn't in the advanced options menu has been disabled in competitive mode"
>remove viewmodel slider from adv. options
>force viewmodel fov of 54
>force minimized viewmodels that are shit and are still viewmodel fov 54
Trust me, I had it set to viewmodel_fov 90 for the longest time, too
I put it in my autoexec, but I'm not sure if it will be 90 in competitive anyway
>>344418843
It was moved under "video."
>>344418039
>Holly Molly! a CQC class has a meele weapon that can kill me in Close Combat! This is outrageous!
Every anti-pyrofag ever.
>>344419184
minimized viewmodels at viewmodel 54 allow you to see quite a bit, thankfully and are nice and out of the way.
>>344397204
Just put valve in the tags and there are still a bunch that aren't delegated to matchmaking duty
>>344419424
And the skeleton crew actually listened them.
Postcasualstats. My K/D is still positive over all at least.
>>344413852
imagine if they both had shotguns
>>344420237
So is the experience needed to get to each level linear? Watching your image it looks like you only need 750 exp per level.
>>344403090
This.
They fucking nerfed Heavy on his own update and did jackshit to Soldier. What a shitload of fucking retardation. They clearly don't play the game.
>>344420409
I'm pretty sure it increases at least a little but I'm not paying attention so you could be right.
I liked the update.
>>344388868
Spy is still really bad unless you are really good at headshooting and using opponent's mistakes, but you can do the same and do much better at sniper on scout.
>>344420583
I liked the update when Day 2 happened and the wait times got lower, not so much day 1.
>search game
>do not find game
???
>>344420583
I wish they didn't remove quickplay/valve servers.
Call me whatever you like.
I just liked it. Quick easy fun.
>>344420583
I think the update is mostly good, but
>removed votekick
WHY
these new voicelines are fucking great
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ArChK-OyIC8
>You know what this team needs? Five more snipers.
>>344421153
Already adressed by Valve, going to be re-added in the next update.
>500 to 1000 People in Queues
>Long Ass Queue Times
b-but TF2 has 12000 idl- I mean PLAYERS!
>>344421361
why does Soldier sound so different?
>>344421532
Idling was removed years ago.
>>344421650
The game was made 10 years ago, it's only right to assume they can't do the voices the exact same.
>>344421650
His VA is old.
>>344421708
>Idling was removed years ago.
lol
>>344421650
because his voice actor had throat cancer and can't scream anymore
>>344407759
>>344408920
>>344401956
What's sad about that? Pyro mains actually want their main fixed
Do the stupid team silhouettes that you see through walls when you spawn still show disguised enemy spies?
>>344421650
throat cancer :(
>>344421532
>>344421650
Age and throat cancer.
>>344421957
>they're a bug, not a feature
heheh
>>344421845
>>344421361
sorry, but nothing they can ever write will top
>If fighting is sure to result in victory, than you must fight. Sun Tzu said that and I think he knows a little more about fighting than YOU do, pal, because he invented it! And then he perfected it, so that no living man could best him in the ring of honor!
>Then, he used his fight money to buy two of every animal on earth, and he herded them onto a boat, where he BEAT THE CRAP OUT OF EVERY SINGLE ONE!
>and from that day forward, anytime a bunch of animals are together in one place it's called a ZOO!
>UNLESS IT'S A FARM!
