Without using memes, did Fallout 4 do anything right?
>>344382243
The combat system was greatly improved.
>>344382341
nice meme
>>344382243
the power Armour actually feels like actual power Armour
except the fusion core part, that is BS
settlement builder is really fun
>>344382483
I hate how the pieces take damage, if regular armor doesn't then why should the power armor
>>344382483
And the fact that they give it to you like candy
>>344382243
Why do I think of L.A. Noire every time I see this pic
Looting stuff was pretty fluid. You hit the button on a dead body, a safe, whatever, and the little box pops up, takes a fraction of a second to take all the shit and keep going.
An improvement over a big clunky menu popping up just to see what is inside a chest in Skyrim, FO3, New Vegas, etc.
>>344382405
I agree with the previous poster, but I think it felt improved as a result of more fluid movement. I still enjoyed the guns of New Vegas much more than FO4.
A voice for your character was very good
>>344382243
Improved combat, graphics and arguably did power armour better than the last few fallout games did.
Overall it was a decent game, but not really an RPG, much more of an open world FPS.
It feels like Bethesda's big issue is they want to make action games, but can't let go of the few little bits of RPG left over.
>>344382405
Being able to peak over cover is nice, but it's still really wonky. I feel like my entire body is exposed whereas shooters only expose their arms and heads.
>>344382509
This, but it could be better. They need to give you a GECK and... actually, that should've been the whole game. Nobody gives a fuck about "saving the world" by doing a bunch of boring fetch quests and shooting radroaches for the umpteenth time, the only place to take the series is to put you in a position where you can be the leader of a faction. Build up your territory, make alliances etc. It's mostly radiant quests and open-world shit anyway so it would adapt to whatever you build.
The ui was better.
>>344382405
No seriously. The cross hairs work now, damage resistance was better spread out so energy weapon's aren't useless
>>344382243
No.
>>344382595
No lie, I didn't mind the VA. Especially when talking to companions and such. It's nice seeing the reactions you get when making choices or saying certain thinga.
>>344382243
You know what, OP, I fucked up, I take it back. I said they did nothing right because I didn't think there was anything that didn't need to be qualified, but there was one thing they did right, through and through.
You know how, when you accidentally hit "take all" when you're interacting with a way full container, now it says, "are you sure you want to take all"?
That's the only good thing about Fallout 4.
>>344382798
The g.e.c.k. is just a plot device.Prove me wrong.
The combat/shooting was much improved, but that's about it.
>>344382243
It was really simple to make a build that completely trivialized the gameplay?
>>344383214
There was gameplay?
>>344382243
>Gunplay and combat is the best in any Fallout and TES game.
>Power armor does indeed feel like actual power armor.
>The weapon crafting system was great.
>Building your own settlments and building is super fun
'>Breaking down misc items in the use for crafting was brilliantly simple and streamlined, and gave a use to every item in the game
>BoS have returned to their old fascist ways
>>344382560
because you doubt the shmault-tec representative's gimmicky, pretentious, lies
>>344383214
No, seriously, there was gameplay? When?
>>344383297
>>344383594
You're trying way too hard to fit in, Fallout 4 wasn't even one of those "Muh cinematic experience" games.
>>344382243
The character face creator was the best fallout games have ever seen.
Settlement builder was fun for a while, but eventually got boring as fuck.
I played the game for 3 hours before deleting that shit from my hard drive.
No. Literally no element if it was even remotely passable, let alone good.
>>344383371
>the Brotherhood are dicks and always turn out to be the bad guys
what.
Should I keep reading, this is the stupidest shit I've ever read a fallout poster make.
>>344384432
But it's true. They always were. They sent your character to go die in FO1 as a fucking joke.
>>344382243
The settlement and settler system is a professional-done repackaging of a lot of things that players were doing with skyrim mods.
Setting homes for followers. Giving them patrols and tasks, and jobs, building things by placing statics.
This is what a lot of players wanted in a beth game and beth game gave it to us.
>>344383014
I liked the VA for pretty much everything except the main story quest
hello have you SEEN MY BABY
>>344382243
quick loot menu
weapon modding system arguably makes what would in pervious titles be worthless junk into useful materials. The practicality of this system with its bloated amount of useless mods as opposed to New Vegas' system is arguable
more fluid first person movement.
better gunplay, but the guns are significantly less interesting than the guns from new vegas, making it still seem lacking.
That's honestly all I can think of. Settlement building maybe as well if you're into that.
>>344384171
Your statement had no bearing on anything and made a number of critical and faulty assumptions as to my meaning. Perhaps the person trying way to hard to fit in (you) is the person regurgitating the same bullshit in the course of this conversation that everyone else on this site has been (you).
>>344384432
In Fallout 1, they wiped out towns at the merest hint of the presence of pre-war tech. They hogged all sorts of equipment and let everyone else wallow in Brahmin shit
>>344384432
Guys, guys, guys... look at this. Fallout 4 took us from "The Brotherhood of Steel has a complicated position with which I happen to staunchly disagree and often contains corrupt individuals who I may have to go so far as to eliminate" to "The Brotherhood of Steel are BAD GUYS". Shades of grey all turning black and white. It's the sound of what Star Trek wished it was screaming in agony.
>>344384432
brotherhood were always dicks.
they have a fetish for old tech and say fuck you to anything that is not a brother,even the good guys.
>>344384682
>Your statement had no bearing on anything and made a number of critical and faulty assumptions as to my meaning. Perhaps the person trying way to hard to fit in (you) is the person regurgitating the same bullshit in the course of this conversation that everyone else on this site has been (you).
How did you manage to spend almost two lines to say no u?
>>344385093
My responses are procedurally generated so that they are actually checked for meaning and relevance.
tl;dr I'm fucking BORED
>>344382243
Gunplay and melee are better. Power armor is better. Weapon and armor customization are better. Settlements are almost another game by themselves.
>>344385093
>How did you manage to spend almost two lines to say no u?
>>344385667
Moar liek how did I do it without saying Verilyyyyyyyyyy at the end.
POWER armor now makes you feel POWERful.
Weapon Customization and modification is better but it did sacrifice variety in the process.
>>344384585
Half a joke, they wanted people to die in the quest. And hey, if one loser survives, he's bound to be useful.
>>344382595
>>344384627
His voice was really, really painful for me to bear.
I'm trying to roleplay as a morally grey Comedian killer type guy, or a black guy, and I just sound like a fucking white dad.
>Put a bayonet on my rifle
>Aww yeah time to yabba dabba stabba somebody in the face
>Guy still hits them with the butt of the gun
Combat is massively improved compared to 3/NV
Quick loot menu is really neat and keeps the flow going
Graphics are improved from 3/NV but still shit
Brotherhood of Steel are back to being technofacists instead of white knights in Fallout 3
I'm pretty much waiting for the Obsidian Fallout game that would actually be a Fallout RPG using the Creation Engine.
>>344384432
He's critically analyzing the game's main story and plot, it's worth a read.
I think he made a video on it too, but maybe I'm just mixing those two up
>>344384432
Are you the same guy that complains about the BoS in New Vegas being dicks and not the whiteknights of the Capital Wasteland?
>>344386296
The only time voiced characters really work in RPG's is when you play a set person, like the witcher, or possible DA 2, with changes in your characters personality actually changing how the lines were voiced, and what your dialogue is in combat. When it's just the same voice actor no matter who you are or what you're roleplaying, it's fucking shit.
Hold up I'm not done
>Pull a rifle out of my anus when even older games on a worse engine had me put them across my back
>Shoot until I'm out of ammo, don't realize it
>Shoot again
>Instead of any sort of audio cue like "CLICK" like LITERALLY ANY OTHER GAME ON THE PLANET it pops up with "Sorry! You're out of ammo!" in the corner
so lazy
>>344382956
No ammo types, though.
>>344386639
This. It's why the technique worked in Mass Effect, when Shepard was a finite (for one thing definitely military) character construct. A Fallout character is not like this, a Fallout character is, by nature, a blank slate. They could maaaaaaaaybe have pulled it of, but that would have required a Fallout script with decision trees, not... "hey Mass Effect sold pretty well, let's do what they did in spite of how completely wrong it is for the game we're making".
>>344386639
I agree with you, though I never played DA2 past the demo because it's a horrible game. Shepard also comes to mind right up there with Geralt.
It wasn't just the voice actor, but also the quality of the written lines that were irksome.
>>344382243
HATE FALLOUT FOUR
>>344382243
I like Bethesda's creative designs in 4.
>>344387026
>>344387057
Mass effect is a really great example of it too, but those are the only ones that really come to mind. Inquisition did it okay as well I think, but only in that I never really felt like it was jarring, but it wasn't great either, worse than in 2.
It does feel like they just copied Mass effect's system though, without any thought of why that worked in mass effect.
Bethesda having fucking terrible dialogue was pretty much offset by you never really having to say that much, you pretty much just pick and option in the TES games, and that works okay.
But in 3, the player choice was terrible for dialogue, and I think voicing it, plus making every option essentially the same shit was a really bad decision.
>>344386336
for real
bethesda just doesn't bother with the little things that just seem natural
>>344387485
This reminds me, how have they not managed to get VATS right after so much time? It's fucking annoying having the camera stick on an enemy that's already dead while you're getting mauled by the rest. Let alone in New Vegas or 3 where it would just show your character grimacing towards the enemy for 15 seconds instead of them shooting half the fucking time.
>>344386738
>>Pull a rifle out of my anus when even older games on a worse engine had me put them across my back
You have 12 other guns in your anus anyway. What difference does it make if the one you are currently using is stuck to your back? Either way it is no immersive.
The only good thing about weapons sticking to backs is seeing what idle enemies are armed with.
>>344387804
VATS is an afterthought in the 3D games.
>>344382243
No
>>344387826
It works better than me yanking a sniper rifle out of the small of my back like a looney toons character.
I'd say one wrong is worse than the other.
>>344388031
I get that, but you'd think they could get a system that is the basis for their combat system to not be fucking broken. Probably asking too much of bethesda though.
>>344382243
Power armor feels like power armor, it just makes 0 fucking sense that its littered around the map with everyone to grab though.
Also that little quick loot menu but eh
>>344387485
honestly this one is even better when you see the full webm
>>344388462
>male main character was in the army
>is using a two pound pistol
>misses a drug-addict wearing a bag
>>344388242
>It works better than me yanking a sniper rifle out of the small of my back like a looney toons character.
Doesn't just that happen when you switch weapons?
>I'd say one wrong is worse than the other.
I think that when you have people sticking sniper rifles to their back like post-it notes and can Looney Toon between 24 different guns, it's already fucked to Hell and I wouldn't fuss over it.
Except I always play first-person only, other than stopping to look at outfits and pose for screenshots.
>>344382243
The world looks nice
>>344389000
>it's already fucked to Hell and I wouldn't fuss over it.
My thoughts exactly
My girlfriend said dogmeat
>>344382243
The only thing Fallout 4 did right was sell lots of copies and make Bethesda a big fucking pile of money.
The moment like 3 black settlers joined my settlement, the game fucked up and all 18 of my power armor suits including ones with unique parts vanished.
Now that's realism.
>>344388810
>>misses a drug-addict wearing a bag
Well it does look home made. The barrel could be smooth bore even, but the range is so close.
What stand out more to me is the Trijicon night sights on a pistol that looks like it was made by a man named Jeeter out of an old pipe, cardboard and wood from a shipping pallet.
>>344382243
>Yes
It gave us Toddposting
>>344389435
I BOUGHT YOUR GAME TODD
>>344389047
>The world looks nice
I like the colour. It's less piss-filtery than 3 and New Vegas.
>>344389243
>My girlfriend said dogmeat
They did the big pupper well.
>>344389000
Would you just stop being a faggot? Visible weapon holseting is better than non visible weapon holseting.
>>344384585
>>344384787
>>344384915
>>344386590
They were dicks, but they weren't "the bad guys".
>>344389693
It's also gay to forever stereotype them as bad guys. They could be nice in one game and bad in another. Or nice in one playthrough and mean in another. It's how you see them that matters.
>>344389549
Fuck off Todd,and come here and give me a hug.
>>344389641
It's fiction, aka dumb nerd shit, not reality so why even bother putting in effort?
t. Pete Hines
>>344389549
I KNEW YOU COULDN'T RESIST
combat is improved
new modding system is a plus
pipboy interface is buggy but overall good
building settlement isn't too too bad, but they should have probably used the resources to do something else since the most fundamental issues have not been addressed.
Mod that just makes it a survival sim with no quests and bullet sponge enemies when
>>344382243
Looting UI
Gunplay is greatly improved
Better visuals
Face animations
Weapon/Armor modding
Crit system
I actually like the settlement system a lot. But it's quite limited if un-modded.
Hate the dialogue, writing, quests, many of the characters, tons of essential npcs, immortal followers, etc
Game has a fucking lot of negatives, but I enjoy the game for it's positives.
>>344389641
>Visible weapon holseting is better than non visible weapon holseting.
Holstering implies that there is a holster. In games you don't holster shit. You stick it on to your back, whether it's a submachinegun, an axe or a rocket launcher.
>>344382629
>It feels like Bethesda's big issue is they want to make action games, but can't let go of the few little bits of RPG left over.
they literally could've kept both without compromising one of the other
grrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrr
It gave us more Toddposting.
>>344382243
It did everything right except constraining dialog to 4 options and removing skill checks. It's almost perfect actually.
>>344393356
I wish more games handled it like The Last of Us did it.
Have a few "holstered" for quick swapping, and can exchange your equipped weaps by going through your bag
>>344389435
FUCK OFF RANDY GO EAT A CHEESEBURGER YOU GAY FAT FUCK. FUCK OFF TOO LEAHY
>>344382629
They've said multiple times that they want the player to be the center of the world and the game is just a sandbox for them to do anything they want. I would argue that takes away what people actually want from games, making decisions feel important. An open area where I can kill the same enemies and every dialogue ends the same is just not my idea of fun.
>>344382405
It was a fuckload better than 3 or NV
>>344389829
SAUCE?
Not a lot of things. Minor stuff like new PA system, looting system, etc.
I thought Bethesda couldn't do worse than 3, and they fucking did it.
>you need to press tab to exit thing and not esc
>press left mouse to normal attack
>press fucking left alt for power attack
nope
