Should I /v/? I have windows 7 and love it, but I'm about to upgrade my cpu and video card for the newer games coming out and thought a new OS would be ok.
I hated Windows 8, do the games run better on Win 10? I have no clue
>>344280771
No.
FUCK NO.
And no, they don't. In fact, they tend to run WORSE, some not at all.
W10 is all around shit, and a botnet on top.
Avoid it at all costs, remove the 8GB worth of files that are already installed on your computer, look up the CMD that removes all W10 and telemetry-related updates, disable automatic updates for good, and enjoy your superior operating system all the way to mid 2020s.
After that, start dual-booting a Linux distro of some sort, and run games using Vulkan.
That's what I'm doing.
>>344280949
>>344281086
holy crap I had no clue, thanks fellas
>>344280771
General rule of thumb:
If it ain't broke, don't fix it
>do the games run better on Win 10?
not yet
>>344280771
>todays online world
who wants that
>>344281541
you been living under a rock?
Even the mass media's been reporting almost weekly how W10 auto-installed on someone's PC without their permission, and literally broke something. The worst examples have been the system auto-updating to beta GPU drivers, causing the card to overclock way past its safe limits, and frying the entire thing.
Not even niggers want to use W10.
>this thread
>have W10 on phone
>tfw microsoft knows I tried jacking off to dogs fugging hot girls
Windows 10 is fine, fuck you teenagers
>>344281651
>>344280771
If you uninstall that shit xbox app some games will run better than on W8
>>344282030
>0,20$ has been added to your account
>>344280949
>tfw pirated tons of games and still haven't had any pirated games disabled.
>buy fridge
>be happy with it
>YOU'RE ELIGIBLE FOR A NEW FRIDGE
>no thanks, I'm fine with this one
>WHAT TIME SHOULD OUR MEN BE OVER TO INSTALL IT?
>please no
>OKAY! MONDAY AT 10:00 it is!
>>344281086
>remove the 8GB worth of files that are already installed on your computer, look up the CMD that removes all W10 and telemetry-related updates
How do I do this?
>>344280771
check this and decide by yourself
>>344282234
it's a different thing whether it has already happened or not, MS literally spelled out that they WILL have the right to snoop around your computer and disable / remove things they want.
You give them your pinkie now, and soon they'll eat your entire arm.
>>344282359
>How do I do this?
http://betanews.com/2015/09/11/remove-unwanted-windows-10-upgrade-files-from-windows-7-and-windows-8-x/
https://gist.github.com/xvitaly/eafa75ed2cb79b3bd4e9
>>344282293
>yfw this will happen in the future but with robot fuckers
>>344282387
You can choose what to have there, including no ads
>>344282387
there is not one aspect of that image that is tolerable holy fuck
>>344282293
This is how real life Skynet is born.
Not through failed military experiments, but via consumer software.
>>344282528
yeah, and I can choose to NOT have to deal with this piece of shit OS at all.
>>344282418
I only knew about KB3035583, thak you very much Anon.
>>344282418
also win10 deals with all if not most of those updates by default
I think there was only 1 update that never10 didn't catch, but it was a more recent update
oh and also that one where microsoft pushed out that tests whether your copy of windows is valid every so often
I thought W8 was bad enough.
I was however very glad to "downgrade" back to 8.1 after couple days of trying to make W10 bearable.
>>344282862
never10* not win10 lmao
>>344280771
No anon, there is no actual advantages like there is with 8-8.1
>>344282418
Ty sempai.
Ill hack microshit with this.
as
>>344282681
I thought there was only 1 update, at least to stop the updates, but not the existing telemetry.
i installes win10 on a notebook that i use not that much.
it is constantly under load cpu won't go under 70% for hours.
no thanks
>>344280771
Windows 10 is great and I don't fucking understand all the hate, it's like everyone on the internet heard that stuff about Microsoft collecting your data by default if you pick Express Setup when you upgrade and instantly decided that it was worse than Windows 8.
Newsflash: Using Windows 7 doesn't prevent Microsoft from selling your data.
>>344280771
DON'T DO IT
>>344280771
the performance is a lot better than W7, and it's not disgusting like W8
just make sure you download a security tweaker if youre paranoid about surveillance
>>344285027
This will be the same in a few years, when people work on w10 to modify it to remove the telemetry like existing moded windows 7 and 8.
>>344282387
yeah because you totally can't just remove that stuff
you retards are just finding shit that you want to hate
>>344284094
except there are.
>>344280771
Games don't run better. There are stability improvements in some aspects like SLI, several people reported lack of microstutter present on 7 on 10. But system itself is more stable and has a lot of improvements under the hood.
If you "love" 7, stick with it. It's good enough. Sooner or later you'll have to install 10 though.
>>344284981
Sounds like you have a shit laptop
Want forced updates? Want forced DRIVER updates? Want forced reboots? Want your pc to wake up at 3am from sleep just to reboot and nothing else for no reason?
GO RIGHT AHEAD
>>344280771
No. If you want it later it's easily pirateable, don't fall for the 'limited time only' bait.
>>344285394
Post charts of games working better in w10 compared to 7 or 8.1...
DO IT...
>>344285471
>forced updates
oh no i'm going to have the latest security definitions and patches from zero-day attacks whyyyyy
>forced driver updates
this is just false because I have to manually go and update my nvidia drivers every two weeks when they release new ones
>forced reboots
you're not forced to reboot, but your computer has to be shut off and turn back on to apply things that can't be modified while the system is in use and this has been a thing since computers have been around
>want your pc to wake up at 3am from sleep just to reboot for no reason
literally what the fuck are you on about
>>344284981
check what's happening in resource monitor. Windows sometimes runs diagnostics like defrag and anti-virus scans when your PC is idle, on weak systems it sometimes leads to extensive CPU\disk. usage
>>344280771
yes
then install windows 10 anti spy beacon and block everting you send to MS
>>344285656
>Games don't run better
>Post charts of games working better in w10 compared to 7 or 8.1...
7fags, everyone
>>344285656
Enjoy missing out when DX12 becomes mainstream and you're stuck with >m-muh win7... !!
>>344280771
There are absolutely no benefits of upgrading to w10.
Also have you been living under a fucking rock? There's been hundreds of threads about w10 snooping and shit. You'd be an absolute idiot if you did upgrade to w10 now.
Other than selling your telemetry info to advertisers how do you reckon m$ is going to make money?
There will be a paid subscription model in place. They already mentioned that.
Would you love to see your files locked and inaccessible until you pay subscription fee?
Do not install windows 10.
Fuck w10 even if you disable updates sometimes you will get this messages in the middle of a game which minimizes the window
>>344285865
>do you want your files to be locked and inaccessible until you pay a subscription fee?
u wot m8
microsoft would be sued if they literally installed ransomware are you retarded
>>344285762
kek, post something pajeet.
>>344285828
when dx12 became mainstream, theres gonna be a 10.1.
Everyone will end up installing it.
But like everything, being an early adopter, is the worse.
Now, take your time, and wait untill dx12 became "mainstream"
Untill then, there is no reason to do it.
>>344285682
>patches from zero-day attack
Stopped reading there
ITT: People who have no fucking clue what they're talking abo-
Oh yeah, this is 4chan.
>>344280771
>configure to dual boot
>have one 7 one 10
i dont see why not?
>>344286010
this is so lazy, I have no words.
>>344285762
>guys dont get windows 10!!! microsoft steals your data!!!!
If you want your data to stay private, do the following.
>buy a house in a forest somewhere in Russia
>burn your phones and computers
>avoid the internet at all costs
>check other electronic devices like your TV, if they're too modern: burn them as well
Congratulations, if you've executed these steps you might avoid data theft.
>>344286098
You will dual bott if there is somethign exclusive in that second boot that you cant do in the 1st.
the question is,
Is there something exclusive for windows 10?
>inb4 forza
Dx12 will become standard eventually and newer hardware will literally require Windows 10. Nobody wants to upgrade to Windows 10, but we'll all have to someday.
>>344285995
How else do you think they are going to make people pay a subscription fee other than that? Lock out some preference options? remove wallpaper?
See trial version software, for example. Some of them remove crucial features like saving the project/song/file/etc., the rest just lock you out of the program altogether until you pay for it and it's perfectly legal.
>>344285995
you're a fucking idiot, man. you completely and utterly are ignorant to history.
>>344286248
>Dx12 will become standard eventually
Keep dreaming
>>344280771
The only acceptable W10 is Enterprise LTSB version which allows complete control over updates and telemetry and has no Windows Store, Edge or Cortana. No updates outside of security and bugfixes.
>>344285607
>knighty
where is this from?
If you have a genuine Windows licence you won't get the insider edition that is full of telemetry. This telemetry is the cost of the licence.
If you've got a legit licence you will get a less pushy build. You can essentially turn everything off and have a safe OS.
All of this scare mongering is bullshit created by Linux users.
>>344286130
You are an idiot.
Do you leave your blinds open at all times, because you are "not as paranoid as these fools"?
>>344286550
that's what a windows slave would say...
he's already part of the system, guys...
don't waste your energy on this one...
>>344286550
fuck off shill
>>344286452
And where to get that version?
>>344286452
Is this true? Where can I read more about it?
>>344286679
What kind of pathetic comparison is that?
It's very simple.
You care a lot about your data. I understand that.
However, you avoid Windows 10 (which might compromise your data) but continue using all other types of bullshit like your smartphone (which definitely will compromise your data).
I don't understand that.
>>344286550
>You can essentially turn everything off and have a safe OS.
No you can't. It was proven by numerous people in numerous threads and even articles that even if you disable everything there will always be quite a lot of hardcoded and nearly impossible to disable telemetry and snooping on W10.
>>344280771
I upgraded on launch and saw no positives or negatives honestly. it was just a straight change I barely noticed anything.
Question is: can I "reserve" W10 but not install it?
I don't want it under any circumstances now but it would be nice to have the option in the future
>>344286780
wzor
>>344286835
Ah, so I am not talking to an idiot. Great.
I personally see W10 as an unnecessary addition to the privacy risks.
I do use a smartphone, but I took all sorts of different measures to make it as little a privacy risk as possible. It's fingerprint secured so nobody can peek into it without me having it unlocked and in a hand. One text wipes it completely and it can't be stopped since the battery is not easily removable. I disabled app permissions that aren't necessary. I am planning on rooting it so I can implement the customized host file. I use mobile data for internet and never connect to the public wifi unless urgently necessary.
I can't do as much to W10. Maybe once it's possible to get rid of all the telemetry bullshit I might consider upgrading. Until then it's a no-go on any of my computers, or any computer that belongs to my family.
Vulkan please save us.
http://ultimateoutsider.com/downloads/
Daily reminder to get this. Never10 is also an acceptable substitute but it doesn't tell you if they try to add more W10 files to your PC.
>>344287339
>It's fingerprint secured so nobody can peek into it without me having it unlocked and in a hand
Let's me tell you a secret: cops are not allowed to force you to reveal your password, but they can collect your fingerprints
>>344287343
Buy my graphics card and I'll use the money to shill Vulkan to all my game devs.
I've got a volume license with almost 500 uses left I bought from school a long time ago, the W10 update won't work on a volume license key so it never nags me and I don't even have that icon in the bottom right of of my computer.
I feel bad for you guys though, and I hope some alternative comes a long before W10 is required to keep playing games.
>>344287339
>I use mobile data for internet and never connect to the public wifi unless urgently necessary.
IMSI catchers exist, and they are easy to buy and operate.
>>344287776
I'm on my way to go buy 10 cards right now!
>>344280771
Of the 20-some odd co-workers who have upgraded to Windows 10, 4 of them are happy with the upgrade. The rest found that their computers, which were within 5 years old in all but 3 instances, were destroyed by the upgrade & downgrading options wouldn't work. Microsoft gave-up on helping them, and computer repair stores have told them to just give it up they're dead, Jim.
So you have a less than 20% satisfaction rate out of a random polling of average-to-advanced PC users (two of the destroyed PC's belonged to two guys in I.T.). Take that as you will, OP.
>>344280771
Win 10 runs smooth and it looks polished. There's no reason to stick to an deprecated OS except you're an oldfag and have trouble with adapting to minor changes.
>>344280771
I hope that virtualisation tech would advance enough to allow 90%+ GPU efficiency use inside a VM. This way I'd use Linux as my main OS and run W10 in isolated environment purely for gaming.
>>344287978
Keep in mind the upgrade notification only appeared for computers the upgrade was very probable to function properly on. If you got Windows 10 at your own initiative without the upgrade notification, don't complain it doesn't work.
>>344287776
>nVidia Vulkan extension.
It's OpneGL all over again. no one will use this shit if it will be like that.
It's a good thing W10 is riddled with all kind of shady shit, because it grew awareness and there are guides on how to make it stop spying you.
For me it's much more secure that previous windows versions, because I actually looked up how to make it as safe as possible. Never lost a pirated game too.
Don't install before you learn how to turn the shady shit off either through the settings or through the cmd.
Google windows 10 fix it and you'll be fine.
>offer ends July 29
>"Hey guys we're extending the offer for another year pls get windows 10"
>July 29 current year +1
>"Hey guys we're extending the offer for another year pls get windows 10"
And so on
Remember.
This is a game.
Don't fall for the trap.
>>344289308
Jesus Christ, these are the people who are running the world today
>you don't have to work hard to be successful
>you don't have to exercise to be fit
>you don't have to play to win
I don't want to be on this planet anymore
>>344289635
Then don't
>>344282387
>Two years old tech preview
lol
I dual booted next to Windows 7 so I could play Forza and now Everytime I try to use it my disk usage shoots to 100 percent and none of the fixes I've found work. Help me pls.
JOIN us!
>>344281786
no one, but we're stuck with it
>>344289635
>you are not compelled to be of the highest skill level in the thing you do for fun in your off time
>THE WORLD IS OVER
>>344280771
>Should I?
Install Win10? Sure, but not through update, install a fresh Win 10 Enterprise and disable all the botnet that the Home/Pro can't and at least feel slightly more safe.
>>344281086
>and a botnet on top.
You mean it's an OS on top of a botnet.
>>344291771
>disable all the botnet that the Home/Pro can't and at least feel slightly more safe.
all the options given even in the Enterprise version are nothing more than placebo shit.
>>344291624
>it's ok to be a shitter because mommy told me I'm special
Millennials pls go
>>344287713
True, but then again I don't keep anything worth of a cop's attention on the phone.
>>344287960
Surely it's not as bad as you try to make it look like. I did hear about them, but not in a great detail. I'll read upon it later.
Still, my banking app uses encryption and so do the gmail and hotmail. Suppose one of my many passwords is leaked or cracked by a sniffing agent: knowing my password is not enough to get on any of my accounts.
Please do I need more people to play killer instinct with
windows 10 is great. absolutely do upgrade.
I bought the pro version for 199 and don't regret it.
>>344282387
you can remove all that.
windows 10 has tons, and I mean tons of cool free apps on the app store that do all sorts of cool things.
There are people on /v/ right now shitting on Windows 10 because of "muh privacy" while simultaneously using another closed source operating system from the exact same company
>>344293617
>windows store
>cool apps
yeah nah, why would you say such a blatant lie?
>>344289308
>you dont have to know shit to teach other people about it.
Brb..
Uninstalling universe.exe
>>344293739
You forgot to mention it has no telemetry shit installed on it, unless someone was stupid enough to install every single optional update.
>>344293770
B-but muh forza with MLP paints
B-but muh baby 1st FPS...
>>344293739
Win7 doesn't track nearly as much as what win8/10 do, unless you installed the latest updates which adds the same telemetry collecting services :^)
Updates in question; KB3080149, KB3075249, KB3068708, KB3068708
>>344280771
Just updated it yesterday since the free offer ends soon all my pirated games run fine so far seems like a decent upgrade.
>>344280949
http://dws.wzor.net
Done
You know that 7 spies on you as well right
if i have 8.1 should i update to 10
>>344294218
You are defending a closed source operating system and you are not safe using one no matter how you try to spin it
>>344281086
>run games using Vulkan.
What? I think you can't run games that aren't vulkan native in vulkan.
>>344293891
His point is that Windows 7 is closed source. You can't look at the source code to verify that the telemetry is truly not there.
>>344294978
Yes you can. You can inspect every packet that goes in and out of your machine. Countless people has already done that and any sign of foul play would be exposed, just like with W10 just recently.
I put it on a laptop I never use other than to bring to class.
Things about it that drive me nuts that I don't care enough to fix:
>start menu has an All Apps dropdown rather than an Programs dropdown
I can't find shit I've installed unless I make a desktop icon, and the 'Apps' are literally a list of useless shit like the XBL Marketplace and some news aggregator
>have to use Cortana to find anything
>start menu's full of empty space, if you pin things to it it just adds them as giant ugly tiles that extend the start menu to the right
>turn computer on for class
>Updates are installing, 10%!
>turn computer off at end of class to leave
>Downloading updates 20%! Don't turn the power off!
>stuck either waiting or carrying it around open while it finishes
I hardly ever use it and it's annoying.
Oh, my favorite:
>sign on
>Your password doesn't match the online password, use the last offline password you used!
>switched it to use a PIN because it's easier
>now my password is a 4 digit number
what even is security
>>344296419
I will never understand people that don't disable automatic updates.
It's been almost 15 years and 5 different OS', but people are still complaining about automatic updates when it's so fucking easy to just disable them. Boggles my fucking mind.
Yes Windows has a retarded update system, fucking disable it and just do it manually from time to time.
>>344294885
You aren't 'safe' using anything unless it's an old ass trackpad that has open hardware (only like two exist that the free software org approve of as being truly 'free') and a gutted copy of linux with some other security software that would make the fbi blush. We've had a lot more time to figure out how win7 ticks and we know what most things do, don't pretend like it's this indecipherable black box no one has looked into. Win7 does (did) much less information gathering then Win10 does and that's a fact.
>>344296757
Pretty much the best option. I've resorted to googling every update available to make sure its not more W10 bullshit trying to install
>>344295773
>just like with W10 just recently.
Source?
>>344294742
Only if you download the "W10" update and allow telemetry to run in your OS.
So you have to deactivate the updates :^)
>>344296757
>things that drive me nuts that I don't care enough to fix
>>344280771
There are ways to mostly unfuck it and it does run a lot faster and smoother than 7, but if you can, avoid it.
>>344280771
>Upgrade CPU and GPU
>So should upgrade OS
Making zero sense mate.
>>344293617
>apps
>cool
Relinquish your hold on this mortal world.
>>344299061
I think he's referring to the fact that many current gen AAA games are gonna be "Windows 10 exclusive" under MS new policy
>>344285392
>he didn't just install classic shell
Pleb.
![cocmainwin32+2012-12-12+21-27-41-41[1].jpg](https://i.imgur.com/UFlfphR.jpg "cocmainwin32+2012-12-12+21-27-41-41[1].jpg")
>>344280771
>updated win7 to 10 on my laptop yesterday out of curiousity
>constant 100% hard drive usage, tried several fixes, none of the works
>many programs gone, including speccy
WHAT THE FUCK MICROSOFT
>>344285392
>Hauppauge Capture
>OBS Studio
What are you streaming friend?
>>344280771
Just do it anon. It's a free upgrade.
>>344285392
>Saturday all day
>friday
got any more win 10 girl pics?
>>344294742
>uninstall updates and their files / roll the OS back to state before the updates came
>disable all automatic updates for good
Done, and done.
Nice try, shill.
>>344294849
Absolutely not.
>>344285392
>you can wipe the shit off your food, it's still good!
This is you.
>>344294742
>You know that 7 spies on you as well right
>He downloads windows updates
>>344301825
>shill
I don't even use 10, but it's not because of telemetry. But "hurr you can't use because of telemetry" is retarded since there are ways to disable it, just like with 7.
>he uses windows
kys
>>344294742
You can use the Aegis Script on Win7 to disable telemetry and the specific updates that spy
DONT DO IT YOU FAG
>>344302726
Or the link i just posted you dingus, it's not only for W10
>LE WINDOWS 10 IS BAD MAYMAY
Nice meme
Let's put this question in another way. Is W10 worth it over W7, if I disable all the telemetry?
What exactly are the Pros/Cons. I mean even the metro shit can be solved by installing Classic Shell right?
I'm scared because eventually 7 will go the way of XP in that developers drop support for it and to play newer games I will HAVE to intall Spydows 10.
It will take a good number of years before that happens, but it's not as if I can look forward to upgrading to a new OS. I will be forced to either give up on having new additions to my favourite hobby, or bite the bullet and have a spyware OS.
>>344302561
>"hurr you can't use because of telemetry" is retarded since there are ways to disable it, just like with 7.
except it's been several times proven that most of the claimed "settings" for it actually do jack shit, and only exist to falsely reassure the users of being "safe" from MS prying eyes.
Only way to 100% stop W10 leaking shit in and out is to either remain offline (and watch it start bitching about that few weeks later), or block all MS-related traffic via your network hardware.
>>344303125
>Let's put this question in another way. Is W10 worth it over W7, if I disable all the telemetry?
Like I tried to imply just now, you CANNOT disable it altogether. It's a central part of the whole thing, because Windows is no longer a "software". It's a literal, blatant service, to which you "subscribe" to. YOU will be the "product" here, which is why it's "FREE".
>>344303993
I'm not saying disable it in the settings you ding dong, there are tools and bat files that do it.
>>344298812
Hello?
>>344304290
I've yet to find one that actually has been proven to do more than automatically set all the basic settings down to "off" or "basic".
All it takes is one new update from MS to "patch" these "vulnerabilities", and you're back in the leash once again.
>>344303125
>Is W10 worth it over W7
No. There is a performance boost, but until games start being DX12 exclusive (and by then we hope they will be using another API anyway) there is no point. It's a pain in the arse having to unfuck it as much as possible, then you have to go back and check all your setting every time you update. The updates are all forced. You some of the more esoteric functions. And after all that, it still spies on you. It's not worth the hassle. If you can just stick with 7.
>>344304696
Again I don't use 10, but as far as I heard http://dws.wzor.net/ works just fine. For 7 at least it works pretty well.
>>344304702
>There is a performance boost
None that I've noticed
Updating right now and hope it'll be good for the long run. Seeing how forced all this is, I think its inevitable to join the botnet.
>>344304702
>There is a performance boost,
It's just hilarious that people still bring this up as it'd be a huge game changer, while all the actual benchmarks done by various sites show a whooping 1 frame/sec increase, tops, in most games. Certain games don't get even that, may actually run worse than on W7, and some games and programs simply do not run at all on W10 at thise point.
>>344305624
>I think its inevitable to join the botnet.
Spoken like a true sheep.
W7 stays on my machine, and when it's time's up, it's Linux time. Thanks to based Gaben focusing his efforts on Steam OS, and tons of big corporations and numerous smaller game devs supporting the Vulkan's development, there's really no reason to jump on Wontwork 10.
>>344305952
Linux will never take off. I dont believe it for a fucking second. Until Linux gets full game support and isnt for hardcore fuckwads only, I will dance to Bill's flute.
>>344305952
>It's just hilarious that people still bring this up as it'd be a huge game changer, while all the actual benchmarks done by various sites show a whooping 1 frame/sec increase, tops, in most games. Certain games don't get even that, may actually run worse than on W7, and some games and programs simply do not run at all on W10 at thise point.
I meant that it boots up faster.
>>344306370
Bill isn't in anymore
>>344286181I really want to play Horizon 3 and Killer Instinct though.
>>344307717
there are better racing games than that.cant say about killer instinct
>>344306640
>I meant that it boots up faster.
literal placebo effect.
ANY freshly installed OS starts up quicker than ones that have sat on a hard drive for years. Also, W10 cheats by replacing its shut-down procedure with this Log Off + hibernate feature.
If boot times are really that important to you, just get an SSD.
>>344306370
I already has. Also what is a "full game support"? You can already play anything with DX9 mode on Linux, and DX11 support is being implemented as we speak to Wine. Not to mention the whole OpenGL + Vulkan options being available now.
>>344308120
>For Wine
This already tells the amount of tampering you have to do with Linux
am i the only one who hasnt had that many problems with windows 10?
windows 10 is a more modern version of windows 7. windows 8 is shit. windows 10 is much better. much betetr than win 7 even.
>>344311372
Enjoy your 25 Microsoft points
>>344285656
>>344301956
>food analogy
K kid
>>344302225
>smug about not downloading OS updates
Nice man. So sick having a vulnerable PC. I love mining bitcoins for Russians
>>344296757
You can't disable automatic updates on Windows 10
>>344280771
>Ends July 29
There's a light at the end of this tunnel? Thank god. I uninstalled the GWX and hid the update, and it came back later. Stubborn piece of shit.
>>344308120
>wine
No thanks
>>344313562
Only retards manage to get their computers infected.
>>344315171
http://lmgtfy.com/?q=how+to+disable+automatic+updates+on+Windows+10
I'm sure you can't.
