Argue
>>344277418
I agree completely.
>>344277418
despite the bait image I actually agree, I enjoy a good story more than I enjoy fucking around in multiplayer with my friends.
>>344277418
Shame none of them have any story.
>>344277972
back to /vg/ fag
>>344277418
Skyrim and Fallout had mediocre stories at best.
Last of us had boring gameplay.
Witcher is okay, i guess. Never played, never will, just too boring for me.
>>344277418
We do need great stories. Shame only Witcher delivers out of those games.
Still.
Between MP and stories, can't we have both?
Can't some faggot just release a Forgotten Coast 3e CRPG that's basically Neverwinter Nights with better graphics and server support with more powerful module design so we can just make our own stories and persistent worlds?
>>344277418
Why can't I have some games be good multiplayer, and some be good single player?
Also, we don't need stories.
We need games that can immerse us in a fun experience. Story should only be used for that end. I swear to god, all these games in that image, I would have preferred to read a book or a movie.
Except Skyrim, but the story in that one is pretty bad.
>via 9gag.com
Why not argue over there?
I enjoyed the last of us multi player
>>344278360
>Witcher is okay, i guess. Never played, never will, just too boring for me
>Witcher is okay
>Never played
>too boring for me
>great stories
>two bethesda games
>>344278360
>Witcher is okay, i guess. Never played
>>344277418
lol dark souls got both scrubs
git gud
>>344280692
>>344280770
the combat and gameplay is fucking horrible, i don't care how good the story is
i killed the first "boss" and dealt with the evil bad guys for the first time in some cave and I've never wanted to not play a game because of the combat ever
>>344278360
>Witcher is okay, i guess. Never played, never will, just too boring for me.
Spoken like a true /v/irgin
>>344280925
so you have played it you drip
No.
We need better game design.
Are there any good "whodunit" stories in vidya?
>>344277418
I haven't played the top two, but the bottom two have shit stories, and mediocre at best gameplay. It truly is a crime when a game's defining feature is not well implemented, and has nothing to fall back on afterwards.
>>344277418
No
A good story is important but no lore can carry a shit game, while a game with great gameplay and shit story is a hit.
Go watch a movie if you like stories so much.
>>344277418
>Witcher 3
While the main story might not be that amazing, all the characters and their personal stories are great, like the Baron for example, CD-Projekt also succeeded in making you give a fuck about Ciri, your adopted daughter in the game.
>Skyrim
main story was fucking garbage but there were a few great side quests, not that impressive overall.
>Fallout 4
Main story is fucking terrible, it has some good side characters like the synth detective but even the side quests were unengaging for me.
>The Last of Us
If I see one more unshaved dude in a dirty flannel shirt walking around in a forrest with a grim facial expression I'm gonna throw up.
>>344285658
I like you.
What this industry needs is to have faith in it's uniqueness that other forms of entertainment, like books and movies/tv-series, do not have.
I want games to make me experience their stories by playing them, not watch them through cutscenes, dull dialogue wheels and quick time events.
>>344278360
>Witcher is okay
>Never played, never will
these are the type of people on /v/
>>344278360
>Witcher is okay
>never played it
How do you know it's okay then?
>>344282037
Would also like to know this.
>Great Stories
>All of those games have awful stories
Go back to facebook where your shit taste is encouraged
>Great stories
>TW3
>TLOU
>MOTHERFUCKING SKYRIM
Yeah, no.
>>344277418
>Bethesda Fallout
>Great story
Pick one
>>344277418
I agree x1000
An amazing story that draws you in and is easy to unsterstand but with deep lore for those who care are few and far between.
Great story can make up for shortcomings in gameplay. It also sells games more than gameplay. You hear more word of mouth of story than of gameplay.
Games are not for story. No story told in gaming even approaches stories told in other mediums. It is not the strong point of the medium. Games are bad at telling good stories.
>>344277418
skyrim and fallout are shitty but tlou and witcher 3 are alright
we don't "need" anything, let the creators create.
>>344277418
Read a fucking book or watch a movie. Granted movies haven't had great stories in awhile overall but still better then anything in that picture
I feel bad for anyone who genuinely thinks Skyrim has a good story.
>>344282037
>>344288714
The first one off the top of my head is "Murdered: Soul Suspect." If you can find it on sale, it's cool. It's not worth full price because it's pretty short.
Next best thing that isn't *quite* the traditional "whodunit" story is Hotel Dusk 215 for DS, which you could probably emulate pretty easily, i would imagine.
>>344277418
I agree with it. But I don't consider many of the "cinematic experience" type games to have good stories. That being said, literally every game should have some kind of couch coop
>>344281557
indeed, and they are calling the combat fucking boring in a boring ass game.
>>344289462
explain why nobody play vn, fag.
>>344282037
>>344288714
I had fun playing through some VN's like Ace Attorney and Danganronpa. LA Noire was pretty good too.
>>344277418
>any of those games with "great story"
All of those games either have generic stories or shit presentation.
>TLOU
Basically TWD with a different virus oh bloo bloo feel bad for my daughter getting shot at the start i'm gruff and mean.
>TW
Its pretty good at some points otherwise just generic tolkein in every way.
>Skyrim
Not even a good story let alone great.
>FO
Fallout has never had good story in any of the games even the good ones. Its had good lore but not good story.
>we
"We" need all the genres we can get. Why the fuck would want to reduce the amount of genres?
>>344277418
If the gameplay is bad you are just wasting the story.
The Witcher 3? Sure, story is great
Too bad it's shown in the worst way possible. I just made it to Skellige, don't remember a single quest (other than Carnival and Ciri quests) that wasn't focused on following red shit
Jesus fucking christ, most of the sidequests are
>listen to Geralt's mumbling
>use witcher senses to find x
>kill something
or
>talk to someone
Also characters definitely aren't great, since aside from the main cast everyone got reduced to sarcastic faggot.
Skyrim is absolute garbage.
Haven't played TLoU and F4.
>>344277418
Skyrim has a shit story
Fallout 4 has a shit story that is basically Fallout 3's story reversed
Witcher 3 had a mediocre story but at least it was long and fun
TLOU is an overpriced and short piece of shit that is basically just an interactive movie.
>>344280925
Oh, you're underage. Like poetry.
>>344277418
In terms of story, even Danganronpa shits all over these.
>>344277418
One of these games actually has a great story.
>>344290350
I wouldn't consider Murdered Soul Suspect to be a good whodunit. All the characters are incompetent. Especially the entire police force who can't piece together even the most obvious shit
>>344290693
>>TLOU
>Basically TWD with a different virus oh bloo bloo feel bad for my daughter getting shot at the start i'm gruff and mean.
lmfao good job missing the point you fucking moron
>>344290549
> hurr durr, I don't play VNs so no one does
Neo /v/ everybody
>>344290693
>the one generic european fantasy that draws from folklore and fairytale rather than Tolkien is generic Tolkien
>>344285658
>>The Last of Us
>If I see one more unshaved dude in a dirty flannel shirt walking around in a forrest with a grim facial expression I'm gonna throw up.
My problem with it was it was the third "Disheveled, depressed, pessimistic old man and young, optimistic, bubbly surrogate daughter have to fight to survive" game that I had played in a year, so by that point it just felt manipulative.That said, as a long time fan of the Witcher games and series, Witcher 3's story was pretty great.
>>344277418
Can someone explain this "vidya stories have and never will be good" meme? Is it just butthurt kinofags trying to start shit?
>>344277418
The witcher 3, one bad movie and 2 shitgames.
>>344291097
You mean characters because the atory is fucking god awful.
the most time i have in a SP game is 90 hours, and that is by modding and fooling around, if i only played the story it would go down to 30.
the most time i have in a MP game is 1200 hours and i still play it constantly.
single player games are good, but MP games give you much more bang for your buck
>>344290693
>Its pretty good at some points otherwise just generic tolkein in every way.
It's actually meant to be drawn of eastern European folklore more than northern, like Tolkien did, which is why you see shit like vampires and stuff like that. The rest of the fantasy elements are meant to be a satire of Tolkien and other fairy tales. I mean, the first two stories he wrote were takes on the classic "Princess under a curse" story, and the second was a take on Beauty and the Beast.
>>344290693
>Its had good lore but not good story.
CORRECT.
Fallout 1:
>We drew straws and we're kicking you out. Go find the McGuffin
>Ok good. Now go save the world.
Fallout 2:
>You're the grandson of RJ McGuffin, so its your job to find the McGuffin.
>Ok good. Now go save the world from Hitler and Superman.
Fallout Tactics:
>You're a mutt. Go kill some people for us.
>OK good. Now go save the world from Hitler and your best friend.
Fallout 3:
>We're kicking you out because reasons. Go find your father, BJ McGuffin.
>OK good. Now find the McGuffin.
>OK good. Now save the world from Hitler.
Fallout NV:
>Go get revenge on this asshole who stole your McGuffin.
>Ok good. Now...prepare for this battle.
Fallout 4:
>Go find your son, McGuffin Jr.
>OK good. Now prepare for this battle.
>>344291648
Good stories usually don't work well triple A video games. Witcher 3 worked well because most of the groundwork was done by a proficient author and it was just adapted into game format
The problem is that to have a good story the game would need to have lots of dialogue or cutscenes but as we all know the average video game consumer simply doesn't have the required attention span to read/listen/watch through more than a few minutes of exposition
>>344278360
This is going to turn into /v/'s "Has anyone really been far as decided to use even go want to do look more like?", isn't it?
>>344292187
Huh. I just realized that until NV, every Fallout villian was just Hitler.
>Master wanted to sterlize humans and breed superior aryan supermutants.
>President wanted to liquify all non Enclave soldiers.
>Calculator wanted to kill all non robots
>Eden wanted to kill all non Enclave soldiers.
>>344277418
>Skyrim
>Fallout 4
>The last of us
>Witcher
>Great stories
I mean, Tlou's and Witcher's story weren't bad but it's nowhere near great and obviously Beteshda is pure cancer as usual.
But to answer the question, the gameplay is the most important part, always, however if given good story it can create some amazing things, especially when it allows to tie story elements with gameplay itself and give some great moments ("So who goes first? How about... me?" from Transistor and Daud also using powers you have in Dishonored for example).
Or there is also an option rarely used that is to fully combine the gameplay and story like Pathologic did, where both story and gameplay improve each other and give the player immersion however this solution while good in my opinion isn't perfect as it won't fit every type of game.
So, in short, great story barely changes quality of game with shit gameplay and so shit story barely changes quality of game with great gameplay so only time when story can affect the game is if you give great story to a game with already great gameplay.But it's just my opinion desu.
>Generic father and daughter relationship in a boring wasteland.
>No comments on skyrim and f4.
The witcher 3 saves by a little.
>>344292305
But videogames that need 30 minute cutscenes to tell a story are the worst types of stories.
>>344292751
It all depends on the type of game to be honest but usually just a couple of few minute cutscenes or dialogues aren't enough to set up a story more elaborate than "go kill Hitler because he is evil".
>>344292374
Nah
People who criticize games they haven't played is fairly common in /v/
>>344293180
Read it again.
He says the game is okay but has never played it. But he also states that the game is too boring for him which implies that he actually has played the game. So which is it?
![[glass him].webm](https://i.imgur.com/hLjXByN.jpg "[glass him].webm")
>>344292305
Well the Witcher 3 also had a lot of dialogue and cutscenes, but most of the time it felt like there was a lot actual decision making in the cutscenes and dialogue.
>>344277418
>the last of us
this is bait right?
>We need great stories.
IDK MANG
>>344293358
apparently shoving him aside=crippling him for life.......again
>>344293319
> which implies he has played it
You're assuming that like if /v/ users talked with logic
>>344293683
To be fair, no one deserves it more than Dijkstra.
>>344278360
Please be bait. For the love of god please be bait.If not, never comment on specifics of a game you have never played yourself you massive asshat
I agree, and I'm glad they gave examples of games that desperately needed good stories.
This image refers to the trend of "slap multiplayer onto every game" which I agree is generally shit. Build your game around multiplayer from the beginning, don't add it on as an afterthought for replayability.
>>344293319
>But he also states that the game is too boring for him which implies that he actually has played the game.
You can tell a game is boring by many, many things, just like you can tell food is bad by looking at it, or smelling it. You won't know for sure, yes, but you'll be right 80% of the time.
>>344277418
>fallout 4
>great story
>>344290693
can anyone in fucking /v/ create sentences without "generic" buzzword? it's a fucking slavic folklore dipshit. what tolkien?
>>344280925
>filename
underaged newfag, confirmed?
>>344277418
Ah yes, Skyrim.
The game in which the not roman Legion, hailing Cyrodill, a pseudo-equatorial nation, invades the coldest place on the fucking planet. And what do those legionnares wear? Skirts and sandals, of course!
Why? Because they're romans, get it?;^)
Everything related to story, setting and characters in Skyrim is complete utter garbage. Meanwhile gameplay is subpar at best.
>>344280897
Yes. What he said.
>>344277418
Well he's partly right, single player focused games don't need tacked on multiplayer.
>>344277972
This is a good game
Fite Me
>all these shit posts about The Last of Us having a "good story"
>no one mentions that The Last of Us actually had multiplayer
Wow, so I guess its true that shitposters actually haven't played the games they shitpost about.
>>344277418
i prefer cinematic games to multiplayer games. Oh well.
>>344277418
por que no los dos?
That image could not BE more wrong.
what we need is the complete removal of story in favor of better gameplay and multiplayer.
GAMES ARE ABOUT GAMES
BOOKS ARE ABOUT STORIES
MOVIES ARE ABOUT STORIES
GAMES ARE STILL ABOUT GAMES
>>344294827
Because tacked on multiplayer on single focused games drains resources from the developers and the community is dead within a few months.
>>344278360
you just birthed a new meme with that idiotic post
My favorite games happen to be extremely story heavy, but what we need is creative, passionate game design.
>>344282037
999
the absolute best "Whodunit" story. Also the best videogame story in general.
>>344277418
Good point, terrible examples.
>>344278360
>witcher 3 is boring
If you really haven't played it you definitely dodged a bullet, thank god I pirated that shit because I dropped it after 2 days. What an overhyped snorefest.
>>344282037
Deadly Premonition , it's about investigating a serial killer in a small town, the game has supernatural elements but the mystery is compelling
>>344294483
Am I retarded? I swear to god the thought of imperials running around in sandals being weird didnt cross my mind. Jesus fuck, I just went along with it because vidya.
>>344294841
okay tell that to 5 year old me playing Planescape
>>344294704
It's not a "new" thing to say that, everyone who's played it knows it's a decent game. It's just people who haven't played it look at the fans and judge based off that
>>344280925
Perfectly reasonable. I always thought it was apparent that the Witcher series is heavily heavily flawed and is a typical game where you have to look past the flaws to find the great parts. That's why a 10/10 for those games is a very personal opinion and which completely glosses over several flaws that easily could stop someone from playing it altogether.
>>344277418
bottom two are beyond generic stories
>>344292532
>>Eden wanted to kill all non Enclave soldiers.
He would have killed the Enclave soldiers too because as Autumn pointed out, there wasn't literally no pure human naymore in the wastelanduntil FO4 retconed thatso the virus would also kill the Enclave soldiers and that was why he also believed that Eden had to be stopped when he started spouting that insane bullshit in the base to the MC
>>344280897
>Dark Souls has a story
Ufknwotm8
there is lore in Lord of the Rings regarding the Silmarils this has nothing to do with the story of Lord of the rings.(directly)
thats Dark Souls, lots of cool shit but the story is nonexistent.
I mean the synopsis is as follows"
1) Heres a key lol
2) Ring a bell so you know what to do
3)Ah well theres actually two
4)Ya gotta "succeed Lord Gywn"
5) Go get the bowl
6)Fill the bowl with 4 cereals
7)??? Uh do the thing, games over.
Lore+Item descriptions=/=story
Soul Reaver has a fucking story Dark Souls does not.
, Dark Souls is a incredible game filled with amazing lore and writing, but none of it went into the actual narrative story. There is none.
>>344278360
>Witcher is ok
>I never played it though
>>344292305
>groundwork was done by a proficient author
Have you fucking read his books? He can't worth a shit on actual long stories, he works passably at the short stories
>>344295087
>i liked da story cuz i was a kid
keep proving my point that stories in games are for children
>>344295067
Took me quite a while to realize that myself.
Because once I tried to actually role play on skyrim, and upon 5 minutes of trying I realized the fucking Legion was wearing less than the Nords in the fucking NORTH.
>>344286609
Man, that image looks so fucking cool. I can't stand playing them, but I love the look of 90's PC games. That sort of super detailed pixel art, where it's trying to emulate photorealism but it's still clearly computer-generated video game art. Pillars of Eternity was a great modern example of it.
>>344294841
So, essentially you want a MP Pong? Why don't you play battlefield and COD if want pure gameplay with MP?
>>344294709
It's a console exclusive, that's all it takes for shitposting to start
Feels good to be an idort.
>>344278360
All these people replying as if they've never done the exact same thing.
>>344277418
what we actually need is great gameplay, if possible sided with a great story for even better quality. and if that comes at the cost of multiplayer, then it certainly is an acceptable price.
but gameplay will always go above story, simply because even the most basic games with little to no premise can be fun to play if the gameplay is engaging, whereas a great story with no gameplay is just a movie of at best a VN, and can get boring real quickly if the story isn't really good.
multiplayer is honestly at the bottom of the list, unless it's a genre where it's part of the game, like in MMOs. local co-op should be put in more though.
>>344295556
I do play CoD, I think BF is shit and they're both bogged down by story.
>multiplayer pong
pong was always multiplayer and it's one of the best games ever made
Imagine if call of duty didn't spend BILLIONS of dollars on the michael bay story that nobody even plays but instead spend that money on making the BEST possible multiplayer experience?
Everyone would say CoD is great, nobody would complain it didn't have a story.
>>344294483
Mind you this is also the game where there's supposedly a tense civil war going on as the backdrop for the entire game and solving it in either way does absolutely nothing for the main questline and the game doesn't change at fucking all for doing it besides guard models and who the jarls are.
We need both, fool. I seriously hope this image was maid as a bait for /v/, because the alternative is far worse.
In fact we need everything, there should be broad, varied types of games that appeal to multiple interests, not the same type, or genre, or mechanic violently cannibalizing as many series and franchises as it can.
It doesn't matter that for a while tacked-on multiplayer has been the scourge of multiple releases all the time, it doesn't matter how the market is skewered, the answer isn't tilting it 180 degree and have it still be unbalanced, but in the OPPOSITE direction. There needs to be variety and balance.
This annoys me far more than the poor choice of examples.
>>344277418
What we need is more co-op stories. Those are the best.
>>344296043
You mean those are the only tolerable stories, and only because your friend is there
>>344295972
It stuck Witcher 3 in with Fallout, Skyrim, and TLOU. Of course it was made to trigger /v/.
>>344296167
>implying those games don't go together like casual bread and butter
>>344294979
i think it's great.
>>344277418
We don't need stories. We need good gameplay.
>>344296251
I'm not implying anything. I haven't played The Witcher 3. It's not hard to acknowledge /v/'s prevailing opinion on it in comparison to the other 3 games, though.
>>344280925
>combat is fucking horrible
parrot confirmed.
>>344277418
I don't even know if this is bait
I REALLY hope it is
>>344296273
I'm glad you enjoyed it.
>>344295972
>>344296167
It wasn't made to trigger /v/. Some faggot just posted it on 9gag and people actually praise it there. Just reverse search the image and you'll find the link
>>344290592
god damn married with children is fucking awful.
>>344296487
Is the combat in TW3 anything like TW2? Cause I'm playing that game right now and the combat fucking sucks.
>>344294913
>someone having an opinion on a game they haven't played before is new
welcome to our fine imageboard, friend.
>>344296370
There's no reason a game can't have both. See >>344295972
>>344296521
>implying trolls don't seed 9gag with shit for this express purpose.
>>344282037Space Station 13
>>344296738
That's some tinfoil shit right there
>>344296736
Yes there absolutely is a reason they can't have both
it's called budget
you spend half your money on one and half on the other you end up with a two sided shit cake
if the game focuses on one it's got a chacne
>>344296140
>and only because your friend is there
I hate this cop out excuse, if this is what you meant by that. A story can play up to the strengths of comradeship or partnership and rely on the interaction of 2 people. Hell, co-op games WITHOUT strong stories often do this. The "it's only fun because you're with friends" bullshit is clearly from people with no clue what it's like to want to play with someone else.
>>344296590
its better from 2 definitely. Idk, my experience is both games take some getting used to and gittin gud but once you just stop blaming the game for all of your problems it becomes much more enjoyable.
2 has some definite frustrating parts, more so than 3, but combat can get pretty interesting in 3 if you build yourself in interesting ways.
If you build yourself to just whirl attack all day then no fucking shit its going to be boring. It's a SP game. Experiment.
>>344296859
You must be new to the internet if you think that's unlikely.
>>344296759
Depends on gamemode really.
We don't need great stories
We need great gameplay
This is why MGSV got 10/10
>>344292668
I dont remember Sabrina being this timeless.
>>344277418
test
>>344296968
I'm just playing on easy because I've lost any respect I may have once had for the gameplay in TW2. I'm just not going to engage with it and trudge through the game for the story.
>>344277418
We don't need great stories as much as we need great gameplay. You play through the game once and complete the story then what is the point in playing it again if the gameplay is not alluring enough to draw you back and keep you entertained?
>>344296590
better. Geralt now walks in combat mode and can now also sidestep to avoid attacks from enemies with shorter reach. Signs are more balanced and it's just more pleasant all around. Potions are also actually useful now.
>>344277418
I don't really like multiplayer so a great story would keep me interested. A good story would get me to read more about the lore.
>>344277418
>Last of Us
Shit gameplay, shit AI.
>Skyrim
Shit gameplay, reduced RPG features, "da chosen 1" story
>Witcher
Decent story, decent combat, not a lot of RPG moments. Fan-fucking-tastic DLC though. Witcher 3 DLC is what DLC is supposed to be. Not $5 for a few skins.
>FO4
Easily my most disappointing game of all time. Severely reduced RPG elements. One of the biggest aspects of the game, settlements, literally don't matter. Forced story protagonist. Only 4 fucking factions, all of them "good". Shit RPG game.
>>344296961
Nigger I play every co-op game with friends, just because I'm playing the game with friends doesn't make the game good. It makes my friends good.
Name 5 great co-op games in your opinion and I'll tell you why most of them are shit
>>344297156
then idk what to tell you. I like 2 and love 3 and got my friends to play while telling them the same thing I told you. They both love it as well.
if you don't like the gameplay you don't like the gameplay.
>>344297236
Does swinging a sword still feel like total garbage?
>>344297276
>decent combat
>>344277418
>last of us
has multiplayer
>skyrim
Bethesda has been asked to add multiplayer since Daggerfall.
Instead they release a garbage third-party MMO.
>witcher
Nobody cares
>Fallout
Bethesda filed a cease and desist against the original owners after buying and liquidizing Fallout franchise.
Russians ruined unofficial multiplayer
>>344297276
>Dislikes LoU
>Dislikes Skyrim
>Dislikes FO4
And yet you seemingly bought all of them, most people on /v/ are supreme hypocrites.
Almost all of them have played FO4/Skyrim despite indulging in daily hate threads, best case scenario is they pirated it.
>>344297276
>Witcher 3
>Decent combat
>>344297417
its more of a meme to rag on the combat honestly.
>>344277418
They mistyped Gameplay in the last word of that image.
>>344297480
>i form opinions without playing the games for myself
everything wrong with /v/
>you can't hate a game if you played it
>you can't hate a game if you haven't played it
>you've played it for a long time? how can you say it's shit?
>you've played it for a short time? how can you say it's shit?
go ahead and FUCK RIGHT OFF
>>344297642
uh no
I don't think any person who has played a video game in their life before could say without laughing "Witcher 3 has good combat"
>>344277418
>Witcher being lumped together with trash like Skyrim and Fallout 4
>>344297276
>witcher 1
RNG click rhythm simulator until you get better spells then it's 1+2=win
>witcher 2
forgettable
>witcher 3
watered down bamham hold X to win
>>344297863
That is where it belongs
>>344297863
>post witcher 1
>not trash
>>344297753
So you're telling me even though the most retarded idiot could've seen how shit FO4 will be after the first trailer, it's impossible to form an opinion on it?
>you can't hate a game if you haven't played it
is an opinion reserved for people with buyer's remorse.
>>344277418
>>344277418
>>344277418
>This entire fucking thread
We'd love great stories. We'd love actual writers and great voice acting and organic atmosphere and a solid plot and neat art direction and all that. And hey, if the game supports multiplayer for a good reason, we'd like that, too.
But first, figure out your FUCKING game design. Stop prioritizing the above in place of it. They're all there to support and enhance the play of the game. That's why they're games and why we play them.
Oh and alsoI'll never see a Vagrant Story-esque game with the same composer, sharper gameplay, a more flexible crafting system, a non-time-travel plot, and non-fucked difficulty curve ever, will I?
>>344297293
>just because I'm playing the game with friends doesn't make the game good
And just because you're playing with friends doesn't mean a good co-op game isn't good on its own.
Shock Troopers was a fun co-op game. I have more fun with Double Dragon and Streets of Rage when playing co-op and wouldn't really care if they were singleplayer. Games like Diablo or Titan Quest are a blast with a party and are lesser experiences when played alone. Divinity: Original Sin is the same, in fact playing that game alone changes the experience a bit. Or what about RE Outbreak, which is a pile of shit if you play with NPCs, but god damn brilliant when played with others?
The RPG / adventure puzzle genres benefit highly from co-op, in my opinion. Action games do too, but the former REALLY do, and I wish we saw more of that. RPG / adventure puzzle relies on being story heavy to work.
>Skyrim
K
>>344297838
hot opinions.
>Bethesda
>The last of us
>Good stories
>Wondering why people prefer multiplayer to the current shit writing in TV and film that videogames currently emulate
People that think this trash, elementary """""writing""""" is in any way commendable need to be removed from the gene pool.
This means that, if you enjoy capeshit films for their """"story"""", or you thought S06 of GoT was actually written well, you need to be genocided. Fans of any other current TV shows must also leave /v/ immediately.
80% of TV shows, films or games with half-decent writing is based on literature.
>>344298140
You're the hero /v/ needs
>Implying Skyrim Main Story isn't good
Y'all faggots don't know what a good story is
>Witcher 3 Story is AMAZING
>Skyrim story is fucking awful
Cdpr shills are retards
>>344277418
I dont have any friends to play online with so all I have are great stories
>>344297480
This just in, retard on /v/ thinks that you can't form a negative opinion on a video game after buying it.
>>344298116
Yeah bro. You can always tell how good or bad games are gonna be based on an advertisement. The FO4 trailer shows zero gameplay and, basically, nothing about the game other than that there's a dog.
People who call Skyrim story shit don't know shit about elder Scrolls lore
>>344277418
TLOU HAS MULTIPLAYER IS EVERYONE IGNORING THIS????
>>344297341
i don't remember how it feels in witcher 2.
>>344299306
>He thought FO4 was going to be good.
Good goyim, buy FO5, the new AssCreed and the new CoD too...after all who knows if they're going to be good?
>>344298791
/lit/ please go, you're embarrassing everybody.
>>344299183
>Hi random guy we're gonna kill you
>Uh oh dragon attack, come with 1 of 2 factions. By choosing to escape with one of these people, you're clearly choosing their side in a war you didn't even know about. It's not like you were simply trying to escape certain death. xD
>JOIN DA HERO LEAGUE OF UNIMPRESSIVE HEROES
>U DA CHOSEN 1, U HAVE VOICE OF DRAGONS
>BIG BAD DRAGON IS BAD AND IS GONNA DESTROY THE WHOLE WORLD
>SHOEHORNED ELDER SCROLL
>U KILL BIG BAD DRAGON IN VIKING AFTERLIFE
Such a good story.
>>344299743
THIIIIIIIIIIIIS
/v/ IS LITERALLY RUN BY JEWS
holy shit there actually people ITT that belive skyrim wasnt a half assed story or game. the lore doesnt mean shit if they present it in a generic boring fasion just like everything bethesda puts out now.
next thing people are gonna say fallout 4 story made sense
>>344298791
this
>>344299897
O' seer of future events, please give me the lotto numbers.Fuck off Captain Hindsight. You're an idiot.
>>344277418
This implies SP doesn't even have gameplay, when most of the time MP gameplay sucks anyway.
triggered
>>344277418
>games don't need gameplay
>they need not-gameplay
Cool
Modern gamers in a nutshell
>>344299183
There is dragon
U must kill dragon
Dragon is bad
Even fucking Dragon's Dogma's main story was more nuanced.
>>344292374
>This is going to turn into /v/'s "Has anyone really been far as decided to use even go want to do look more like?", isn't it?
But that was already a /v/ meme, newfag
>>344298140
yes
>>344298791
what is up with the """"" thing? it's everywhere
>>344277418
I certainly agree that I'd like to see more AAA games that go for a good and engaging story as opposed to either an incredibly short and rushed campaign before all there is left is endless multipley ranking up and shit or the "action adventure sandbox" that consists of moving from cutscene to cutscene with 3 basic gameplay scenarios after each one and the rest of the time expected to be spent finding treaure chests that let you unlock upgrades that don't really do much at all.
>>344300574
It's a really easy shitpost indicator.
>>344277418
We don't need great stories, we need great games.
If you want a great story, you read a fucking novel, you piece of shit.
Players who claim to play video games for stories are too retarded to read a fucking book and too shit at playing for actual gameplay.
Nothing but disdain for such retards.
>reads Melville
>plays Quake
>shits on you
>>344277972
It's been a while since I've seen the sprites from Undertale, they look even uglier than I remember them.
>>344277418
>we dont need gameplay we need movies
why dont you fuck off from anywhere near the console or PC, eat a dick and go watch Avengers for the millionth time faggot
TLOU has multiplayer, though.
>>344302810
It also had good gameplay.
Not going to read this thread.
Good gameplay should be the focus ocer story and multiplayer
>>344277418
This is just barely better than the AAA collage that reads "I don't have a life I choose to have many". And I feel uncomfortable finding that image and posting it.
>>344291648
Fuck man
She just wanted friends
Atleast she died in a pleasant dream
>>344303432
>
Also how The last of us is considered an amazing game is beyond my range of understanding
i rarely even use the buzzword, but it's the BIGGEST feelbait in the world
boohoo i killed humanity for my wifes daughter ;(
tlou had better multiplayer than single player though
Too bad Skyrim had a shit story I guess
