So, I've got a question for /v/'s RPG addicts. Specifically those that actually ROLEPLAY in them.
Do you play as yourself? Meaning, do you try to create an avatar that represents you, and make decisions like you would?
Or do you create characters and try to get in their heads to create unique stories with them?
I've never really understood making the character look and act just like me, cause frankly, I'm not a fucking space marine, or a vault dweller or anything. I'd rather come up with a character and use that as escapism instead of just pretending I'm in another world myself. I like thinking like other (imaginary) people.
What about you, /v/?
In my first playthrough i usually play as myself, doing what i would do in the situation.
But for second and more playthroughs, i roleplay as something that fits the setting.
>>344218383
My first character is always myself with a few tweaks.
I play cute girls in every game I can
>>344218383
I have never, ever, ever played as myself. I'm fucking boring.
The only thing that bothers me more is "I'm roleplaying as [character from unrelated medium]!"
No. You made a character that you want to look like them then just doing whatever.
>>344219435
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>>344219435
I don't like being cute girls, but I do make females a lot. They're just usually older or aggressive looking. I can't do the anime babe thing, but a good Full Metal Bitch (FO4) is always fun.
I don't understand the appeal of wanting to be a female in games where you can choose gender.
Though I like to actually try to make character resemble myself so that if I'm making choices, I make them from my own spur of the moment decision rather than "what would x do?". Feels more authentic.
>>344221976
Maybe, but a lot of people are after being a different person entirely.
Think of /tg/. When they're around a table, they're not all going 'well, I would X.' It's about what their dwarfs and elfs and weirdly sexualized child-witch catgirls that aren't even part of the fucking setting would do.
>Fucking Evan.
To me, RPing as a character is a lot more like writing a story yourself, within the confines of the game world. I personally find it more engaging, and a more interesting way to spend my downtime.
That said, I still love games with predefined characters, too. I think maybe I just never liked the idea of being "me" in the game
I don't waste time in character creation. In every game the preset is good enough and chances are you'll just cover yourself with armor anyways
>>344218383
I'm an ugly fuck so I never try to recreate my face.
>>344222512
I guess that makes sense. I don't know, maybe I just have shit-tier imagination
>>344222860
I think people who write recrationally, or like creative outlets are more prone to it, but it can be a lot of fun.
I was getting bored of fallout 4 until I found the in-game journal mod that lets you keep a running log of your character's thoughts and accomplishments. I'm still kind of geeking out about it, and I've found the rp experience a lot more enjoyable when I can feel like I'm living an entirely different life in my downtime.
>>344218604
I do this too. I play as myself to get a proper handle on how things in the universe work while creating a character for a future legitimate roleplay run.
>>344218383
My opinion is that it doesn't matter if it's an existing character or custom character, if there is no agency or at least a feeling of it, then I dislike it .
Also, the more and more steps away from 3-3.5E DnD it tends to get worse. There are exceptions, (Mass Effect 1 and 2) but this usually is a good metric.
>>344221976
In certain games it makes more sense. Fallout 4 makes more sense playing as a mom since you're looking for your kid. Xenoblade X makes more sense with a female protagonist, because why would a grown man be rooming with Elma and Lin (who's 13).
And some male protagonist designs are just straight up fucking stupid, like the B2W2 trainer
>>344218383
Fallout 4 isn't an RPG
>>344223617
>Mass Effect 1 and 2
I refuse to call games like this RPGs. I love them, don't get me wrong, but just because a game is story driven and gives you some choice doesn't make it a role playing game.
A somewhat customizatiable experience isn't really what role playing is about. It's about that sense of agency, I agree. Fallout 3 was a great example, where while the world was kind of lacking, but aside from knowing where you were born you were given the freedom to do pretty much whatever.
Morrowind and (to an extent) Baldur's Gate are examples I tend to hold up as having done it very well.
i play as sains row boss erday
u fuk wit me bich? i sains row b0ss nig
>>344224173
>you were given the freedom to do pretty much whatever
it's literally brotherhood of steel > find dad > fix water cooler
What the fuck is so free about this game I don't understand
>>344223974
It straddles the line between RPG and story-driven game. It gives you an incredible amount of agency regarding how you want your character to behave. It just (unfortunately) fleshes out the character's backstory too much. I also think the voiced character is kind of a problem since it lends too much personality to it.
Overall, though, I think it does RPG elements very well. It doesn't worry about stats (which I kind of like), but it does let you build highly specialized characters, or jacks of all trades, or really whatever you'd like, from idiots to overpowered gods. You can be who you want from day one, depending on how you want to play.
>>344224314
Not doing any of that?
Exploring, meeting people off the beaten path, finding various solutions to problems?
You don't actually follow quest markers, do you?
>>344224548
It's literally not an RPG.
They removed all the roleplaying mechanics like skills, reputation, traits, and skill checks. You literally just walk around clearing out mobs from locations for caps.
>>344225124
>I can't paint myself into a corner, so it's not an RPG!
>MUH RPG ELEMENTS
>MUH STATS
>Who cares if you can be whoever you want to be. I CAN'T INCREASE MY SNEAK SKILLS.
>>344225465
>>Who cares if you can be whoever you want to be.
But you can't. You are always a parent looking for their kid. You can't even be evil unless you buy the Nuka World DLC.
>>344225124
Skills and checks are put into the perk system. The story is shallow, admittedly, but that's why it's a sandbox. You make your own story.
Some reputation would be nice, I admit. Always nice to make new friends and enemies.
I always play myself, even on repeat playthroughs. But I don't create myself as the character, I'll spend 5 minutes in the character creator so he looks at least a bit different to the presets.
>>344225465
>Who cares if you can be whoever you want to be
You can't though. You're forced to play a concerned parent from the pre-war looking for their son.
Compare the confrontation quest from New Vegas and Fallout for for example.
In New Vegas you're looking for Benny at the start right? When you get to the casino, there's a wide variety of ways to approach him, and different ways to get information out of him. In fact, you don't even have to confront him, you can sneak into his room without him knowing.
You have all these choices, all these skill checks, everything can be done differently depending on your character.
In Fallout 4, you're looking for Kellog. The confrontation quest for him starts as a long, boring, and heavily scripted escort quest. Then when you finally get to his general location, you're forced to clear out a dungeon while you track him down inside some building. When you find him, you have a quick chat, and you're forced to kill him. There are absolutely zero alternate solutions, no options, no checks. Like every other quest in Fallout 4, there's only one way to do it, and it's just you clearing out mobs.
THIS is why Fallout 4 is considered a piece of shit, and not an RPG. It's trash compared to the other Fallout games. It's so far dumbed-down, it's just an FPS.
>>344224548
>>344225465
It's not an RPG, you play the same character every time (Nate/Nora) and they act the same every time with no player choice apart from what weapon you use to kill enemies. It's an RPG in the same way Borderlands is, it's a marketing tag to get people to buy it.
>>344226265
This
>>344224651
main quest is unavoidable, like death
Going by the definitions in this thread, are JRPGs not RPGs?
>>344226479
What went through their minds when developing things like this?
>yep looks goo-- uh oh wait we have two of the same answers here. Maybe we should remove one of the options or at least make the second option even more ambiguous like "they're gone" or something...
>"nah it's chill they won't even notice"
>>344226265
OP (or other FO4-as-RPG proponent),
I'm actually coming around to this line of thinking. I see it in a lot of the same ways I see Mass Effect. You get some choice, but ultimately, it's a story-driven game with SOME RPG elements, well done as they may be. (I do however love modding the shit out of it to make it more RP friendly, but I'm a fucking nerd.)
If you don't try to think about it as an RPG, but as a story-driven shooter like Bioshock or GTA, then it's a very good game. The mechanics are fun and the combat is way better than FO3 or New Vegas. It just doesn't give you the blank-slate feel of those two.
It's like what whoever above said about it strattling the line.
>>344224651
>You don't actually follow quest markers, do you?
It's sad that you're actually defend the game by saying this, because you shouldn't have to. In the GOOD Fallout games (1, 2, and New Vegas), the quests are actually non-linear and five you a variety of ways to complete them.
>>344226781
>are JRPGs not RPGs?
They're not, that's why they're called JRPG's. The Japs have a different standard for RPG, and it's basically what we consider a shit RPG (Grinding, no choices, generic quests, ect.)
>>344226937
>I-I-It's not that bad, juts lower your standards!
Are you a Bethesdrone by any chance?
>>344226781
They're what we've been calling story-driven games in the thread.
I guess I just see them as two separate genres instead of holding them up side-by-side and assuming the same metrics should be applied to both.
>>344227080
>Grinding, no choices, generic quests,
sounds like fallout 4
>>344218383
nah, I basically make someone that looks interesting/fun to play as and skew my decisions toward how I think they would act, even if I'm basically doing what I normally would
>>344227196
>Fallout 4 is a shitty game because I have to have a kid.
>Bioshock is a shitty game because I can't customize my face
>Arkham City is a shitty game because I always have to be Batman
>Tomb Raider is a shitty game because I don't get gender choices
>>344227694
Arkham City and Tomb Raider don't advertise themselves as RPGs
shit comparison
>>344227864
Advertisement is irrelevant.
Quality of the game is all that matters.
Fact of the matter is that while Fallout 4 admittedly fails as an RPG, when compared to games in its genre (looking mostly at Bioshock) it's pretty damn good.
>>344227694
You ignored my post clearly explicating exactly what's wrong with Fallout 4:
>>344226009
>>344228042
Yes, but regardless of how it's marketed, is it a BAD shooter?
>>344226781
>Going by the definitions in this thread, are JRPGs not RPGs?
The Japanese call game mechanics from D&D "RPG Mechanics." So they call any game with levels, classes, stats, consumable items and equipment, variously random encounters, and/or a town-dungeon-town-dungeon rhythym an "RPG."
Westerners call games in which one role-plays "RPGs," so JRPG was coined to denote the difference. The fact that many Western RPGs also feature game mechanics from D&D often confuses people.
>>344228009
But then that's false advertising, people expected an rp, instead we got Call of Fallout : 4
>>344228239
>>344228009
>straight up lying in marketing is okay
are you shitting me
Fallout 4: great game, TERRIBLE RPG.
>>344228009
>it calls itself an RPG
>it doesn't matter that its actually not
kys fag
>>344218383
I try to create an archetype in my head and then apply it to the game. Currently in NV I'm doing a NCR veteran run, so I tailor my stats to suit the character. After that it's just a simple wait for immersion to kick in.
Its a 3rd person shooter with rpg elements, it never claims to be a "stritcly dickly" rpg. You fucking obsidian clowns make me sick obsessing over an 8 year old shitty game with god awful graphics, redundant, and monotonous gameplay to get to the same fucking conclusion, simply because,
>muh obsideen
>muh cesars legin
>muh skill chex
>muh ncr
>reeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeee
>muh silent pc
>muh anmoying weapons that need repaired every 5 fucking seconds
>muh /v/ bretheren
Please kill yourselves, you are cancee for not accepting a truly fresh breath of air to a stale franchise that died as quickly as it began. Be thankful fallout 4 restored popular interest in the series, it literally would have died. You cannot support an entire company based on reddit neettards who play a game from 8 years ago and want an exact clone and demand nothing more nothing less.
>>344218383
More often than not, but not always. I suppose it has something to do with the "realism" of the setting, I tend to play different people more in more fantastical settings.
But I've played myself in more or less every fallout.
>I've never really understood making the character look and act just like me, cause frankly, I'm not a fucking space marine, or a vault dweller or anything
So fucking what you dunce. I guess I like myself enough to be able to enjoy the action hero me.
Nobody even cared about fallout until fallout 3 in all complete and utter honesty. Only redditors, linuxtards, ircfags and prechanners ever played fallout 1/2 to its entirety. The general populace gave no fucks or even remembered fallout until years later when fallout 3 was released and given several awards. Infact i remember new vegas taking slack for being a direct copy of fallout 3 with ugly mechanics and boring gameplay.
My point is when fallout 5 comes out you fucking retards will be praising fallout 4 calling 5 garbage. You're a hivemind with no originality and only exist to live as contrarian neets with internet superiority complexes because your own lives are so fucking terrible.
>>344223617
3.5 is over complicated tripe.
Play 5th or kill yourself.
shit while you are at play some advanced or 2nd before you eat the bullet
>>344228649
In an RPG, yes.
In Fallout 4, everyone is either Bruce Wayne or Tony Stark.
So my Morrowind guy is awesome and a head I love getting into.
My 'Brony Stayne' just looks like me, though, cause whatever.
>OP ruined his own thread by making it about Fallout.
I don't necessarily RP, but I like to set rules for myself in whatever game I'm playing. Dishonored went from a great game to one of my favorites when I set my rules. FNV is fucking amazing if you set self restrictions and rules and backstory. I tend to react how I actually would in the games though, I'm not assimilating a character, just controlling the way I play. Shadow of Mordor is really good if you play as a Beserker, the game is easy as shit, so making it that everytime you kill an enemy it has to be some whacked out super murder that usually ends with dozens of orcs dead, and me, since I can't run away to heal. Strict rules are really fun in single player games, especially when you abide by them, and they change how you play the game.
>>344228485
Except it stills fails in that regard due to its shit story, shit characters and an overall boring and barren world.Curie was alright
>>344228808
You probably still think oblivion is shit compared to morrowind, and skyrim is the worst dont you...
>>344228849
>'Brony Stayne'
I'm calling my character this now.
>>344228649
>anti-RPG faggot defending Skyrim with Guns telling others to kill themselves
>>344228861
>Restricting a game makes it fun
Sounds like you need to spice up your own boring life if your sole enjoyment in a videogame is to repair your weapon every 10 minutes.
>>344228772
that's because video games weren't a normie hobby back then. Why am I even bothering to respond to this, you obviously weren't even born when the originals came out.
>>344228972
Oblivion is the worst.
>>344228239
Yes it is. Bullet sponges are fucking annoying.
>>344229131
>Oblivion is the worst.
Gameplay, yeah.
But fuck I love that classical fantasy comfy setting.
>>344228649
Go complain somewhere else then, faggot.
>>344228582
Same here. I jump between serious immersion based runs like mapping out a character in a specific fashion and thinking about what choices they would make, and runs for fun such as doing Black Dynamite in FO:NV by using only melee and handguns, or my never forgotten True Russian run in Call of Pripyat where I had to constantly be drunk on vodka in game and a few times drunk in person while playing. Scrambling for vodka while being chased by a controller while wearing an old GP2 gas mask because I was drunk was intense.
>>344218383
I have generally played as myself through the first playthrough.
The only exception was with the Saints Row series. I roleplayed as an old friend. He was fat as fuck, nerdy as hell, was forever virgin, and had rage issues like you wouldn't believe. It was hilarious watching his avatar strut around acting as if he was the president of the world.
>>344218383
you self-insert but you never actually play as yourself unless you can create ugly or fat characters (which i am neither)
>>344228772
>Fallout 3 is getting shit on since release
>New Vegas is getting praised since release
>Fallout 4 is getting shit on since release
>>344229112
You want an rpg go play final fantasy.. fallout was never intended to be an rpg imo, it was due to hardware/engine restrictions that the company decided to make it an rpg. If they could have conveyed it as an open world 3rd person shootet back then i have no doubt they would.
>>344228649
>it never claims to be a "stritcly dickly" rpg
yes it does, this is on Fallout 4's website
>>344229387
Leave the /v/ bubble for once.
>>344229131
Please end your life, oblivion was the best of all of the elder scrolls.
>>344218383
I've done 4 playthroughs of fallout 4, the lowest I leveled one of them to was 60 so they were all pretty expansive playthroughs.
I played a knife wielding child of atom / half ghoul that would stab another at the drop of a dime, all of my saves have been on the new and old survival difficulties, 3 on the new and my original jack of all trades save on the old.
My next playthrough was a settlement oriented run, with 10 cha, 10 luck and the rest in strength, I run a few mods like X3 EXP and backpacks in this playthrough among other things like settlement expansion mods. The idea of this playthough was to mass caps and buy out vendors for junk, ammo, guns and armor instead of building it myself. Most of the junks parts went towards settlement building which I'm now pretty good at. My earlier stuff looked like a sperger had modeled it in minecraft.
My third playthrough was a build I usually like to stay away from because it becomes too OP in bethesda games and gets me bored too quick, but I tried the silenced deliverer / silenced two shot combat sniper sneak build, it's quite fun during rank 2-3 of the sneak skill but as soon as you get 4 or 5 the game becomes easy mode, you can almost walk right up to enemies faces and steal things right under their LoS.
And my final playthough was actually my first vanilla playthrough, the jack of all trades who didn't specialise in anything. That was the most boring playthrough for me, I didn't role play and I didn't set goals for myself, just let myself get lead along by Bethesdas shitty dialogue and boring missions.
I suppose I had the most fun as the child of atom fanatic who had his brains fried a little too long, it was always a challenge to survive, there were many times I would have to load a much previous save to get around the problems that cropped up with being unable to rely on traders, or civilization, or quests in general, quests meant talking to people and being reminded that you're some vault dweller.
>>344229438
>final faggotry
>RPG
>>344229438
your entire reasoning is based on your own speculation. Kill yourself.
>>344229512
Look at Fallout 4's steam page retard. All the most popular reviews are negative. Aggregate is "Mostly positive" which on Steam means it's a shit game.
>>344229131
>implying fallout 4 is as normie as sportsgames and call of duty.
What in the actual the fuck is wrong with you.
>>344229572
Your character was not a half ghoul child of atom.
Naturally, Obsidian shills come out in force at the mere sight of Fallout 4 and derail the thread, which is not even about F4. You fuckers already have a daily New Vegas circle jerk thread. Stay in it.
>>344218383
Anyway, no I don't make myself in rpgs. I like to make new, unique looking characters.
>>344229572
Continued-
Not being forced into dialogues had a much better experience for my RP, with the alternate start mod and some manual fixes I made it so I started with the atom robes and a resistance to rads, and the roleplay of venturing around the glowing sea and ducking from trouble, and surviving on what I could was the most fun I've had playing fallout.
>>344229285
Every RPG game I do a fists run through. From Dark Souls to Skyrim. In Skyrim I did a Conan the Barbarian looking character named Bulkhueg Punchabunch who would be absolutely retarded but fueled by a deep hatred of vampires and elves. It really sucked having dialogue options that didnt come off as retarded enough. However chokeslamming vampires off of cliffs was highly entertaining.
>>344229725
>what is imagination?
That's kind of the whole point of role-playing.
>>344229490
So being a courier isnt a linear story with 4 variable endings and some change?
>>344229438
Shut the fuck up. You have no clue what you're talking about. You don't know anything about 90s RPGs or their history or the people who made them. This might take the record for the most uninformed idiotic post I've seen on 4chan and I've been here a long time.
>>344218383
I always try to make my characters unique and change things up in different playthroughs depending on the game. I can never play as a girl though, it just feels weird and isn't very fun
>>344229725
I don't understand your skepticism, I roleplayed as a half ghoul.
>>344229879
Fo4fag reporting in, kek its because i derailed their nv thread earlier to be a prick
>>344218383
>Do you play as yourself?
No. I create a character separate to myself, give him or her his own goals, demons and ideals. I roleplay to live out stories from a different point of view, to broaden my own sense of self and my view of this big world of ours. When you approach a problem, you would do this.. but, what kind of person would do something else? What context would make them see things differently? It's living out situations like these that fill me with intense self-fulfillment. Helps me not only re-assure myself of my identity, but broadens my perspective and lets me see some things differently.
>>344229982
>Courier in Vegas
>middle-aged sarcastic war veteran looking for his son in Fallout 4
I wonder which one gives me more freedom.
>>344230001
>They get so mad
>>344230257
I like you.
I just wanted to talk about playing pretend...
First playthrough is me if I were there. The rest are just characters that would be interesting based on what the game provides.
>>344230483
I'm sorry OP but obsidian faggots on /v/ will never let you enjoy fallout 4.
>>344229982
just look at the pics in this thread, none of your """""choices"""""" are actually choices, aside from a few like which faction to join
>>344218383
As far as armor goes at least, if the game has box art or like official art depicting what the protagonist probably looks like (FO3 and NV, Skyrim, Soulsbourne games etc.) I try to aim for that look for as long as its viable.
But the actual character themself? Nah I never self insert. I'm uninteresting as fuck.
>>344230483
I like playing as the vault guy with the blond hair in most of my fallout games
>>344218383
Depends on if the races are any good
If its typical human stuff and women look passable i'm 50/50 on the gender pick (fallout), otherwise i go male
If there are tit and / or height sliders then i'll do a tall light brown athletic chick with nice boobs (blade and soul)
If there are really neat monster / demon looking races with females that are still attractive, i'll play the fuck out of those (amani from tera, orcs in ESO)
However, if the dudes' armor looks really aesthetically pleasing and functional then i'm making a fucking tank and there's nothing you can do to convince me otherwise
The only real question you can ask about Fallout 4:
>Does Nate or Nora make the better character?
>>344230642
I love 3 and NV and Skyrim. 4 is so bad I don't want Bethesda to make anymore games ever again.
>>344231053
>orcs in ESO
Kill yourself, and take those pretty little fairies with you. An orc, regardless of gender, should look like it's capable of, and willing to, beat the shit out of you with your own severed limbs.
Not some doe-eyed floozy.
>>344230642
>muh obsidian boogeyman
>nobody else hates bethesda turds but muh obsidian boogeyman
>>344231057
Nora, voice acting is better and story makes more sense with a mom
>>344231378
This is the same fag/cuck that will get fucked in the ass by Preston's bbc when sex mods come out.
Stop lying to yourself and admit youre gay
>>344231378
I dunno. Vengeful Punisher Dad fits pretty good.
I usually go as myself, as accurately as the in-game cc allows me to. I do my best to make myself exactly how i look like at the moment (i get a haircut/shave every 2 seconds) for the ''immersion''.
if i just can't get a grip on the cc i just make my mom (weird as it sounds) because nobody scares me more than her.
>>344231579
>>344231784
>if i just can't get a grip on the cc i just make my mom (weird as it sounds) because nobody scares me more than her.
I have criticized someone for playing the opposite gender before, but what the fuck, dude?
>>344231993
well if someone's gonna fight all the dragons in skyrim or sacrifice themselves at the end of the 40 hour rpg storyline better her than me yknow what im sayin
I always end up creating a grizzled old war-vet whos seen some shit, justifies the character going on massive killing sprees and being proficient with weapons in rpgs
>>344232150
No.
That just makes it weirder.
>>344231337
Look at this thread.
It's not a boogeyman when every thread even showing a picture of fallout 4 gets turned into an Obsidian shill fest.
>>344232240
i guess i am just a sick fuck then
>>344232223
>Literally the only RP that makes sense in Fallout 4.
>And probably Skyrim.
>>344230908
Holy shit this
the game could have hundreds of armor and weapon choices and I'll always choose the "canon" armor and weapon as depicted on box art, it's a curse really.
>>344232150
Does his shirt say "Black Cock?"
>>344221976
For people who don't want to project any sense of themselves onto the character, sometimes it's just nice seeing a female character kick just as much ass and be just as capable as her male counterparts.
Also on occasion there's the added bonus of just making them run around in skimpy clothing/completely naked if there's a mod for it. That's always nice to look at as well.
>>344218383
SEXOUT WHEN
WHEN CAN I FORCEFULLY AND AGGRESSIVELY DEMONSTRATE TO PIPER NON-VERBALLY HOW MUCH I HATE NEWSPAPER
>>344232521
I think you have that scenario backwards, Anon.
>>344218383
I always play female and make choices I would make in the characters situation, sometimes I replay and make choices I normally wouldn't
>>344232654
>Playing a woman in a rape playing game
I hope you don't do this, anon.
>>344232250
The thread itself is about actual roleplaying games not fallout 4.
If the character customization allows a female to have short pixie hair I play a girl.
If the character customization allows a male to wear an eyepatch or obtain one at some point in the game, I pick a male and make him look like Big Boss.
If a game has both these options I constantly wonder which one I should play more
>>344225465
>I haven't actually played Fallout 4. Or any Fallout game, for that matter.
>>344218383
Is that supposed to be Joseph?
>fallout 4
>rpg
pick one
>>344227080
>The Japs have a different standard for RPG, and it's basically what we consider a shit RPG
>we
You know where you are, right?
>>344233979
The only JRPGs worth playing are ones involving monster collecting because that's not really a thing in the West
>>344227271
I've been saying that Fallout 4 is basically a western JRPG for months now. But good luck getting /v/ to acknowledge it since that would mean FO4, a game they universally hate, being part of a genre they blindly worship like the Cantonese telegraph forum they are.
>>344226903
It's actually a mod that reveals what your "choices" are
In the vanilla game your choices are usually abstracted down to one or two words so you don't actually know what you're about to say or what the context will be in
It looks like
>Question?
>Agree
>Aggressive(yes)
>Sarcasm(whacky """"funny""""" yes)
I think it's done to obscure the fact that none of the dialogue you select matter because they all just amount to "Continue conversation", as if someone has hit the pause button on a dvd and you have 4 play buttons to keep going.
>>344234167
It's a story based shooter with RPG elements.
Undertale is a western JRPG.
>>344232845
>not being the one raped
>>344228649
>You fucking obsidian clowns make me sick obsessing over an 8 year old shitty game with god awful graphics, redundant, and monotonous gameplay to get to the same fucking conclusion
Given the series having a reputation for being the opposite of those things along with Fallout 3 establishing the franchise as being in a perpetual state of canon rape, I could see how the fanbase is a little bit obsessed with it.
>>344228772
>My point is when fallout 5 comes out you fucking retards will be praising fallout 4 calling 5 garbage.
Except nobody praises Fallout 3.
>>344229131
>video games weren't a normie hobby back in 1997
>>344229693
>>344229572
>having to use your imagination to roleplay
Fallout 4 fans are literal children. It all makes sense.
>>344223617
>DnD
>3.5
The most needlessly complicated edition of the the system that is mechanically shit at everything but combat...
>>344231220
>I love 3
>4 is so bad
I don't understand. 4 is literally 3 with a color palette and actually enjoyable shooting mechanics.
>But 3 had role playing!
No it didn't. Compare it to an actual Fallout game and you'll realize the "role playing" in FO3 is smoke and mirrors.
>>344231378
Except you can clearly tell from the backstories and how shoehorned the trophy Stepford wife character is in the MC role that they intended the game to have a male PC only and hobbled together a female option at the last second to avoid Polytaku blowback.
>>344229438
That's an interesting perspective on it, but man that's gonna be one hell of an unpopular opinion.
>>344229438
>>344230365
>This is probably a real person with real opinions and not bait
jesus
>>344218383
I haven't really played a game that let's me roleplay as much as I want. All it is is stylishly gimping yourself.
Tabletop seems to be the only chance I got for real a real roleplaying experience.
>>344218383
>RPG addicts
>posts image of F4
thread was dead right off the bat
>>344239321
Play V:tMB and Alpha Protocol.
>>344237568
oh fuck
>>344239767
Alpha Protocol was one of the best in hindsight. They really let you bend the characters over your knee with your decisions, Marburg stands out.
V:tMB is amazing especially with the gameplay penalties they gave to several races, but the more I read up on the board-game the more I want to play that. Gangrel got the shit end of the stick in the game yet they're my favorite clan.
>>344218383
If I've actually got the chance to create my character from scratch and have an at-best-ambiguous backstory like we did in oblivion, then yes. I like to pick a solid mechanical archetype and flavor it up a little on my own. Fallout 4 screwed the pooch hard on this because regardless of what you do, you're playing Nate/Nora. The voiced protagonist really prevented the writers from opening the game up as much as it should have been.
>>344240391
>but the more I read up on the board-game the more I want to play that.
Honestly, I just play RPGs to take up time between tabletop sessions. I'm running Shadowrun, mygfran V:tM, I've got another V:tM campaign planned, and we've got two other Pathfinder campaigns going. Shit's noice.
>>344218383
I like to roleplay as a mage whenever is possible.
Now about the choices overall, i always try to be RICH. Every time there is a choice, i always go for the one that gives me the most lucrative outcome.
It's nice roleplaying as a jew desu
>>344237568
How about a high 5
