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>W-Welcome to my death machine i-interloper...System Shock 1 thread
Who cares, SS1 is nearly unplayable.
I doubt anybody played that here.
Pretty sick game, way better than SS2.
Fuck that remake, fucking hacks building their shitty careers on things they had nothing to do with.
>>344214386
Playing it now for the first time. Currently on deck 5. It just gets better and better. The combat was shit at first, but with the flechette and the assault rifle I'm having an absolute blast. Also is it just me or is the shield complete useless? Also does re-spawning in conversion chambers have any cost at all?
>>344214757
Nope. No cost
>>344214267
terrible meme
>>344214267
it plays just fine with the mouselook mod which comes default in system shock enhanced and system shock portable
maybe you just need to get good
>>344214757
you can abuse the shit out of respawns so try to get a good feel for the map so you can backtrack faster. fucking numbers
>>344214757
Shield has several upgrades, later on it blocks most of damage.
>>344214267
>get mod that let's you control as a normal fps
>enjoy your shock title that is pretty much up to modern standards
>>344214757
the only cost is time wasted, which only matters if you're playing on the highest mission difficulty, which gives the game a 7 hour time limit
>>344214124
System Shock 2 is the superior game as it hasn't aged like goat piss and is actually playable by modern standards.
>>344215434
The enemy AI is really, really not up to modern standards.
And I say that as a fan of the game
>>344214757
>Also does re-spawning in conversion chambers have any cost at all?
No, but on some levels, you are revived with barely any health or energy so it's not something you should always rely on.
>>344215208
The original was shit. Good game. Bad controls. The enhanced version was VASTLY better in terms of controls and the unity remake is currently looking good other than animations not being correct with the hit animations/swing.
>>344215623
You are not welcome here. Remove yourself.
>>344215623
System Shock 2 is to System Shock what Bioshock is to System Shock 2.
How the fuck do I gain access to the beta grove, do I have to go to level 5, or am I missing something on 6?
>>344215887
>patrician
>hipster
the two are intrinsically identical to be really quite honest with you familia
>>344215850
The demo for that bothered the fuck out of me. It shouldn't have, since on the surface it looks fine and detailed. But when you really start to pay attention, it looks artificial as hell. Like slapping a coat of paint over the old game and hoping that'd be enough. It seemed cheap.
I hope they improve it, because the enemies looked fantastic though.
>>344214386
It looks decent visually and I don't mind the menu updates. Not sure about the ambient music, System Shock wasn't exactly horror so it seems a bit misguided trying to make the remake like that
>>344215887
how is ss2 hipster? it's pretty much the one held in higest regard, aside from the "smart game for smart gamers" crowd
ss1fags are literally worst than the daggerfall autists
finally a smart game for smart gamers
>>344216645
People like it, but it's badly designed mess and yet they think they have superior taste for liking what plays like a failed experiment.
>>344216692
Go back to Bioshit.
>>344216645
It's hipster deflection from SS1fags who think that Doom: OW MY BALLS edition is better.
>>344216246
Does it have a password? I don't remember it
>>344216985
There is a door that I don't have an access card for.
>>344216246
you need to unlock the beta grove elevator using the cyberspace terminal on that level
>>344215674
que sorpresa
>>344214124
Aw fuck yeah. I like it more than SS2, it really nailed the funky cyberpunk.
>first time you hacked
Fucking hell, that was some cool shit.
>nice jump, hacker
>>344217323
I'm curious what it will look like in the remake
So we can all agree that the elevator music is the best moment of the game, right?
>>344217246
I already went in there and all I got was missile command for my hud. To be honest, I don't even understand the rules to cyberspace.
>>344216645
Yeah... He doesn't know what hipster means.
>>344217323
I liked that the hacking in the first game were actual puzzles you could solve by yourself, rather than the zero skill, random chance stat-based bullshit in the sequel
I hope they go back to puzzle hacking for SS3 and drop the RPG elements
>>344217591
Especially when you first go to level 2
>>344217591
I hope not.
That criteria would force everyone on the board to admit DX:IW is the best game ever.
General recommendation to read the Neuromancer series after/ before/during playing this game.
>>344217550
probably removed and replaced with asteroids minigame
have to match modern design sensibilities afterall
>>344217643
You just kinda fly into the switches to toggle them
>>344217323
>first time hacking
>oh god what th-shit this is cool
>>344217643
shoot ice barriers and floating heads, and ram face first into anything that isn't a mine
that's basically it
>>344217835
>assassin's creed makes you play frogger as a form of hacking
At least asteroids would be a step up, I guess.
>>344216696
the password's going to be in the desk next to the door
they just put that in the demo so that the inevitable Polygon coverage just before the demo's release meant the idiots wouldn't be lost
>>344217986
>you can shoot ice barriers
God, I sure feel stupid now.
>>344217717
>RNG hacking
>weapon degradation
>broken unbalanced skill system
Why do people like SS2 again?Even fucking Bioshock is better
>>344217972
>stuck
>I wonder what this thingy on the wall -- AAAAHHH FUUUCKKK
>>344216696
>get to this part
>don't know the code
>try reading the paper from the trash
>go through the whole level again looking for the code
>finally see the code right next to the keypad for some reason
kill me senpai
>>344214386
The remake is going to be a fine game I'm sure, it's just going to be very different.
I'm sure it will be more of a Bioshock game than a System Shock 1, but I'm sure it will still be fun.
>>344217462
>tfw you will never experience System Shock for the first time again
>>344217687
But liking SS1 is more hipster than SS2.
>>344218259
I kinda want to make an indie SS1 clone. With the point and click shit and everything.
>>344218203
didn't you notice you had an ice drill in your cyberspace inventory?
>>344218397
It not being a hipster if you're actually right.Unlike SS2 fags
>>344216696
>451
hehe
every time
Executive Level best level
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=HOkOCAm-v0U
>>344214757
Shield is great, especially in later sections of the game. It helped make the autobomb maze in the bridge less of a hassle.
>>344218304
>getting the max level rocketboots and smashing into every fucking wall
All Shock games are utter shit.
Go play the superior cyberpunk shooter.
>>344218450
Cyberspace makes me motion sick so I have a pretty hard time focusing not to throw up on my keyboard.
>>344218259
It looks like they're trying to make it like System Shock 2. Probably will throw in some sudden breakbeat music too
>>344218545
I've never read F451, is it any good?
>>344218638
SS1 plays like Deus Ex meets Half-Life.
>>344218203
System Shock 2 is massively influential on later games. It's hard to really compare these days since so many other games developed off things it did.
System Shock 2 was a pretty great game either way though, although it did have some issues that you alluded to.
>took a break from ss1 after placing the c4s
>came back
>no fucking idea which are set and which aren't
>>344218397
Thats not what anon said you turn tailing faggot
>that old TV commerical
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=nI2VIg3qmAU
>>344218678
They are probably trying to make it more like System Shock 2, but it is really more like a Cyberpunk Bioshock.
Which you'd think would be System Shock 2, but it isn't really.
>>344218884
I'm willing to bet the ones that are set are the ones that are filled out on your minimap
>bioshock comes out and people complain that zero cost vita chambers are casual
>mfw ss1 does the same thing
>>344216696
Wait a minute
That wall
>>344219204
You can turn off the respawn points in SS.
Not so in Bioturd.
>>344218932
Not certain what you mean, I was just pointing out the image is incorrect.
System Shock 2 is what one would call an influential classic. System Shock 1 is a great game too but the people tossing each other off about it now are just being hipster about it, playing it for the first time ages later and trying to make themselves feel better about it since it is still a bit obscure.
>>344218638
>shooting
>Deus Ex
How embarrassing, anon.
How can anyone say System Shock 2 is an awful game?
Are you people braindead or are you that dead set on being hipsters?
>>344219574
STICK WITH THE PROD
PROD WITH THE PROD
>>344219384
You can turn them off in Bioshock though, they patched it.
You can't say that you can mod SS1 to allow mouse control to people that complain about the controls and then hold Bioshock's handholding biochambers against it since they can be turned off too.
Same goes for the Weapon degrading in SS2, the developers released a patch for that if you're a baby.
>>344219410
>but the people tossing each other off about it now are just being hipster about it, playing it for the first time ages later and trying to make themselves feel better about it since it is still a bit obscure.
holy shit, fucking this
>>344219592
>are you that dead set on being hipsters?
Yes.
>>344219592
I would like to try and explain, but my keyboard has degraded and I don't have any maintenance tools.
>>344219592
SS2 has shitty maps, shitty game balance, shitty hacking, shitty music, and shitty art direction compared to the first game.
FUCKING DEAL WITH IT, IRRATIONALGAMESFAG
>>344219689
The problem is that System Shock 1 really is a fun and enjoyable game, but these hipsters make it look worse by being such huge faggots.
>>344216439
>ss and ss2
>intrinsically identical
Confirmed for never having played SS1
>>344219807
And yet I bet you use mouse controls for System Shock 1.
>>344219410
>>344219689
It's only being hipster if you think it's a great FPS game. It's not. As a shooter it doesn't hold up well at all.
But if you look at it like a dungeon crawler, it's a classic.
I think most SS1 fans love the game for its large labyrinthine levels and exploration, in spite of its shitty combat. Myself included
>>344219807
Git Gud
>>344216439
You just looked up "essential" in the thesaurus and found "intrinsic," right
It doesn't really work in that context
Familia
>>344219807
kek
>>344219991
I only use mouse look to turn around and to look up and down, while I still use point and click to turn. I constantly toggle between the two modes.
>>344220042
SS1 has far better combat once you get the good weapons.
>>344220118
Sorry, I spend all my cybernetic modules into having fun instead of being able to predict which skills are actually useful.
>>344219410
>>344219689
SS1 got a bit of a boost with the re-release so there's more people talking about it now. System Shock 2 also kinda drops in quality towards the end, the first game maintains steady quality throughout. The RPG stuff feels almost pointless in retrospect. I just had a really good time playing it. Don't really know which one I prefer over all
>>344219926
No, I said the patrician stereotype is basically the same as hipsterism.
"Patricians" are stuck up snobs who want to feel special by watching and playing obscure shit, and shun anything that's too popular. Sound familiar?
>>344219812
>shitty maps
no
>shitty hacking
no
>shitty music
no
>shitty art direction
no
>caring about game balance for a single player game
jesus.
>>344220510
>no
NOT AN ARGUMENT
>>344220309
Go back to Portland you hipster scum.
>>344220309
people acutally turn by clicking with mouse? wtf
i just bound turning do e and q
no wonder people need mouslook if they cant figure basic shit out
>>344220309
Fucking mouse using casual scum.
Go back to playing Bioshock Infinite.
>>344219410
How would SS1 not be an influential classic? There's not much in SS2 that wasn't already in SS1 aside from the RPG stuff, which never seemed to rub off on many other games.
>>344220510
The hacking is just clicking squares and hoping the dice roll right
>>344220560
>yes
wow you sure showed him
>>344220560
Nah, he's right.
Better luck next time.
>>344215887
>bioshock anything
>people with taste
>>344220309
>SS1 has far better combat once you get the good weapons.
Sorry but no. I've replayed the game at least 5 times, and the combat was shit every single time. It does not hold up.
The enemies don't know how to walk around corners, so all you end up doing is leaning around walls and popping their ass until they explode.
The only area that even came close to having decent combat was the groves, since they were more open than the other areas, but even then all the AI knew how to do was walk at you in a straight line.
And don't get me started on the Shodan fight. What a complete fucking joke that was.
Fucking /v/, you're letting hipsters tear you apart.
>tfw i just beat SS1 a couple days ago
>didn't even use mouselook, reverted to OG controls
>fucking loved it, one of the best games i've played
>playing SS2 now
>not as good but still fucking amazing
I LOVE SYSTEM SHOCK
>>344220843
Nah, it's right there at least. Bioshock 2 is underrated and is by far the best of the Bioshocks as far as gameplay goes.
>>344220968
>stop liking what I don't like!
>>344220873
who the fuck cares? there are million games about shooting zombies
which game allows you to rollerskate thorugh a somewhat believably designed space station while wielding a light saber and checking for baddies in a rear mirror?
>>344220873
But shooting actually feels fun.
>>344221074
bioshock shouldnt even be brought up in these threads since they're largely linear and lack anything good from the system shock series. They play just like every other FPS, maybe at one point youll have a choice for the next level you want to go to, but that level might as well just be a straight line. Theres minimal exploration and minimal thought required aside from shoot enemy to kill.
>>344221330
>believably designed space station
>shit like >>344218546
>believable
>>344221271
Yes, that's basically what the hipsters are doing.
>tfw I don't limit my own enjoyment of games simply because I think some games are better than others
Feels good.
>>344221330
That's the point I was making in the first place, if you bothered to read my other post. The combat is shit, but the other aspects of the game are great.
It's good as a dungeon crawler, but shitty as a shooter.
>>344221574
>Annoying hipsters are making me hate good games with their shitposting about how good they are
Stop being such faggots and let me enjoy SS1 in peace.
Holy shit just started playing this on on level 2 after i got jumped by the mutants but they only hit me once. Ill never believe the "aged like milk" faggots this games a fucking blast.
>>344220873
if you want doom play doom
system shock was a reaction against doom and they intentionally wanted the combat to be more """"tactical"""".
>>344221330
Kids like you really should lurk more.
>>344220510
>Hi, I haven't played SS1 before
>>344221883
>>344221883
>Enemies can't walk around corners
>tactical
Fucking 4D chess over here.
>>344221792
what does that have to do with my post
>>344221883
>reaction against doom
>implying it wasn't trying to be Ultima Underworld IN SPACE but they couldn't make functional NPCs
>>344222021
Enemies dont need to because they intend for you too be cautious of the rooms you enter. And even if they did, then what? You'd just kill them as they pass through the doorway.
>>344220510
Game balance matters if you can literally become a god in SS2 with some of the psi you eventually unlock.
>item duplication
>health regen
>weapons that instakill anything
>etc.
Shit is broken af.
>>344222067
I'm jealous of your ability to separate yourself, as I find myself having difficulty doing so.
Fags like
>>344221330
Who just discovered SS1 for the first time and are loving their new flavour of the month are making me like it worse by how insufferable they are.
>>344222193
It also matters because psi is boring as shit until the last stretch of the game, at which point the rest of the game goes to shit anyway.
Maybe it would be nicer if I wasn't playing on impossible so I got more modules.
>>344222193
>Balance in a single player game
Nothing wrong is Psi. The bigger issue is with there only a few good weapon types.
>>344221883
Oh look, another idiot responding to me without reading the entire thread.
My complaint in the first place was that the enemies in SS are just as retarded as doom enemies. They walk at you in a straight line, and can't walk around corners. Which is fine in a fast paced action game like doom, but for a "tactical" game like system shock it just doesn't work at all.
Where did this "balance in a singleplayer game doesn't matter" meme come from?
If you specialize in exotic, you're fucked. Hope you enjoy the wrench, and then a weapon that functions exactly the same as the wrench, for the whole game.
>>344222307
>I liked x longer than you, therefore I am superior
Why would anyone have this mindset? It baffles me. Why the fuck wouldn't you want more people to know about the things you enjoy?
>>344222678
Crystal Shard is awesome.
>not playing the Mac port for that top tier music
SHIGGIDY.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=vfjIpc_Lbjk
>>344222757
It's not the time, it's the type of person.
>>344222307
To be honest I'm probably just as contrarian as most on /v/, I just change in what way I am contrarian.
Since lots of folks on /v/ love being contrarian in the way that they get all grumpy to the point where they dislike games, I'm just going to be contrarian in a way that I can be happy and enjoy games.
>>344222861
Is there a mod for the Enhanced Edition that replaces the music with this version?
>>344222861
>>344223529
That's not actually the Mac music, they are covers by the Shodan VA's band or something like that. Someone posted it in another thread. I forgot what the site and band were called though
>>344219812
> Irrational Games
Fuck this anon
>>344222757
I love it when more people genuinely appreciate good things I appreciate. It makes me feel doubly good for the creator, if they're not an insufferable twat.
It drives me nuts when people don't genuinely appreciate it though, but act like they're lowering themselves to play and enjoy something beneath them, on terms they don't fully understand or care about to begin with. The hipster types treat it like playing old games is charity and they're somehow better people for throwing that bone.
The ones who've only found it recently, and genuinely enjoy it on its own terms for what it is and what games were at the time, are usually great.
>>344224845
Maybe the game isn't actually as complicated as you think it is and the pretentious hipster shit is you.
>>344217550
I hope they flesh it out and make it play like a Descent clone or some shit with longer levels
>>344226290
I wouldn't be surprised if they take it out entirely
these are the same idiots who think orchestrated music was a good idea
>>344226419
>these are the same idiots who think orchestrated music was a good idea
FUCK this still pisses me off
>>344223529
Not for the game directly but you can massively improve MIDI music across your whole system
>Go find on the internet Sound Canvas VA VST 1.03 and run a keygen and install that shit
>Get a program called Loopmidi, Coolsoft VirtualMIDISynth, and SAVIHost
>Make a Loopmidi port called SC-55
>Put SAVIHost.exe where SOUND Canvas VA installed, rename it to Sound Canvas VA.exe
>Run it, go to Devices>MIDI, select the SC-55 midi device
>Hit the Options>System button on the Sound Canvas interface, change SC-8820 to SC-55
>Have Sound Canvas VA.exe run on Windows startup and keep it minimized (theres an option to minimize to systray)
>Now in Coolsoft VirtualMIDI Synth settings go to the default device dropdown and select SC-55
There, now your system uses a glorious emulated SC-55 instead of shitty Microsoft GS Synth. A bit complex to set up but well worth it. Adds a huge amount of depth to the sound. Way better than fucking with soundfonts could ever do.
Here's a comparison of what before & after would sound like:
Before: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ZbSN7F5F59o
After: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=6fOrqHpU_9Y
>>344225341
I never said it was complicated. I said enjoy it on its own terms for what it is and what games were at the times, and hipsters don't fully understand or care about that.
If you can't read, it's ok. Just go to a waifu thread where there's plenty of pictures to look at instead.
>>344220578
Don't bring Portland into this we get enough california hipsters.
>>344226419
>already stated that game will have rpg elements since they want people to push for a "classic mode"
>>344227283
Sounds like shit
Was Shodan tsundere?
>>344214124
Got it and playing through it. Fuck is it weird to maneuver in.
Just SS1 Shodan's face is far more intimidating to me than she ever was in SS2.
>>344229161
Yes
Enhanced or Portable?
