Why are all Diablo clones massively flawed in their own unique ways?
Why is there not a perfect ARPG successor to Diablo 2?
>>344199670
Fuck D2, why is there no perfect D1 successor?
Grim Dawn is pretty gud
>>344199670
Grim Dawn
And what the fuck is Sacred 3 doing in the pic?
>>344199670
Sacred 2 Gold is pretty good.
>>344200257
It's okay but it's seriously lacking in polish.
I think if you combined Torchlight 2's pet system with Grim Dawn and polished it, you'd have a really good thing going on.
Diablo 2 is pretty bad tbqh
Path of Exile, Grim Dawn, Torchlight 1, and Diablo 3 are all far better
>>344199670
Torchlight II was great. It's basically Diablo 2 with quality of life improvements and mods, which is exactly what I wanted.
>>344199670
>tfw POE will never get a moddable singleplayer client and will forever suffer from having to be balanced around trading, meta flavor of the month bullshit and other awful online horseshit
>tfw the game will always be held back by their awful inhouse engine that they made back when GGG was just a couple of guys in a garage
>>344199670
Because no game will transport you back in time to when you first played Diablo 2 as a child.
>roll has no i-frames
>2 abilities per item
>>344199670
How do people even like this shit genre?
It literally has no challenge, there is no skill involved. its just murder everything on sight to level up so that you can keep murdering everything on sight.
>>344201646
Dont forget the sweet sweet loot.
>>344201646
That's true for all RPG games.
>>344201646
It'd be nice if there was a dodge/roll/whatever system.
Grim Dawn has a "run away from a big guy periodically" system, which just looks awfully silly.
>>344201992
That would diminish the importance of armor.
>>344201961
No, at least RPGs involve some semblance of strategy and you actually end up dying in many of them.
ARPG is the only genre where I see people consistently beating the game without dying/dying only 1 time
>>344201136
>tfw people complain about d3 being always online
>then they go play POE which is the same thing
>>344200903
Bait
>>344202379
ah but this is where you add a weight system
you can take more hits in exchange of being able to move very quickly
you could even introduce a stamina system to balance things out too
>>344199670
Because the genre as a whole is flawed, your precious D2 very much so.
>>344199991
>Fuck D2
I like you.
>>344202453
POE is free to play. Of course it's fucking always online.
>>344202510
Ignorance mixed with retarded nostalgia.
>>344200520
I needed a 6th game to make the image look even and it's the first modern one that came to mind
>>344199670
because nostalgia, despite all games in the pic having outclassed d2 (except release d3 and maye titan quest) d2fags will forever insist it did something better always failing to explain what when faced with all the examples said games did objectively better
How was Nox ? EA is giving it for free, but I don't really want or register and use their client if it's only a mediocre game.
>>344204272
It's a real good game but the humor might be a little dated. It has that 90's feel.
>>344199670
>make a new character every time you want to try a new build or piss off
fuck you too PoE
>>344199991
You should try the Belzebub HD Mod for D1. It's pretty fun for some weeks, has all the modern convenience stuff missing from diablo 1. A shame it's only singleplayer, but it's fun as it is.
>>344205036
I suppose that is an advantage of diablo 3 where you can easily change things on the fly (within your class)
>>344203394
Van Helsing you retard.
Is there a working plugy for Diablo 2 1.14 ? What's the best way to play Diablo II on widescreen these days ?
>>344199670
>including sacred 3 in there
literally why.
>>344205036
Orb of regret is a thing though.
>>344205541
>Is there a working plugy for Diablo 2 1.14
Nope. Apparently there are alternatives but they lack in options.
>>344205623
>To fix most builds you didn't properly plan and account for inefficiencies you might make, requires like 40+ points of Respec
>Only get 23 from Quests
I can't articulate in words how much of a disappointment Torchlight 2 was.
A lot of people seem to like it, and when I ask them why they can't give an answer, but at the same time they get defense when I explain why I didn't like it.
It was such a simple concept, and the beta was really good, then they went full retard somewhere along the line and we were given a turd.
>>344204272
Nox is amazing. Just torrent it so you don't have to fuck around with EA shit.
>>344206069
I'd like to hear why you dislike it if you don't mind.
I am in the same boat, my biggest gripe being that Engineer isn't so much a proper Pets class like the old Alchemist could be.
>>344205812
They sometimes drop from mobs or you can buy them from players. I think they should be dirt cheap since most people play meta shit and rarely respec.
>>344206069
Why exactly was it a disappointment? I wanna hear.
>>344206406
They are 1C each or so every League.
>>344206069
Playing embermage was pretty fun, tho.
>pillars
>bomb
>infernal collapse
>teleport
>>344205623
>b-b-but you can just use Orbs of Regret! a whole respecc "only" costs 1 exalted
Every fucking time you poefags come with this. Exalteds drop VERY rarely and relying on RNG to be able to respec is NOT reasonable at all
And don't you fucking tell me "you'll get one while levelling trust me", I got 6 characters past 80 and never saw ONE drop
The only actual bad game there is Sacred 3
>>344199670
>Why is there not a perfect ARPG successor to Diablo 2?
Because it's hard making one.
>>344206069
Sounds like they give you answers that you refuse to accept
>>344206718
Well I guess it sucks being a poorfag. And you don't get exalts through drops, you trade shit for them.
>>344207942
Not him, I've had 2 Exalt drops this League.
>>344206378
The outlander was supposed to be, but you know what? Mobs had to die by damage dealt by the character to spawn a pet, so it was pretty much useless shit,
Necro class in synergies was pretty rad tho.
>>344207942
>you just need to farm shitloads of orbs
another textbook poefag reply
>>344206069
I remember liking it but I tried replaying it recently and it just wasn't fun or interesting and the movement/combat just wasn't fluid enough
Because overpowered rune words.
How can I get into PoE /v/? I got into pretty much every other arpg since torchlight 1, but PoE always bores the shit out of me for some reason and I can't get past act 2.
>>344208735
>Act 2
This League is insanely easy to get into actually.
You go Melee and use the Earthquake (Act 3) skill with whatever until then, then it's smooth sailing to end-game.
>>344208735
>getting bored by the time you reach act 2
don't even bother
Why is there no good Diablo with guns game?
>Path of Exile
It would probably be the best if it weren't for all that busywork with the passive tree, weapon slots, and currency items.
>>344209242
Isn't that what Destiny is, plus the mmo element?
>No Din's Curse
>look sporadically for new diablo-like arpgs
>get recommendations or see games with interesting settings
>play for 30 minutes
>get bored
>back to d2
every time
>>344209242
>>344209730
>good games in 2k16
no fuck you
>>344209549
Destiny isn't an MMO
>>344209730
>good
>Diable clone
pick none
>>344208735
can't fix shit taste
>>344199670
Grim Dawn and Path of exile are the only one that come the closest to diablo 2
to be fair reaper of souls beats all of them, its actuaally (finally) a worthy D2 successor
They're all clickfests.
If they had actual skillshots like a LoL character BUT in a massive world it would be addicting and perfect.
But no, it's a MB1 clickfest, every single one. So fucking boring.
>>344210521
>actual skillshots like a LoL character
>>344210521
>skillshots like a LoL character
>>344206378
>>344206504
There wasn't a lot of skill variety and none of the classes overall felt good to play. They were all really safe and bland. In 1, the trees changed the way the class was played, but in 2 not really. I also felt that they shoehorned classes into using certain weapons, which was unfortunate, because the loot is terrible. The most fun I had in the beta was playing a Berserker with a two handed weapon, but because they're stupid, they felt the need to pigeonhole it into using claw weapons because he uses claws in the artwork. They took away the ability to make your own build and play what you feel works for you. In hindsight, it all seems intertwined: Generic classes, homogenized trees and shitty weapon drops are all intertwined and make the game inferior to the first from the get-go. Combat also felt worse, somehow. That I can't really explain, but I remember feeling it. Killing enemies with enemy weapons felt clunky and on higher difficulty if you were a melee/physical class, you might as well have played a mage because you had to spam your skills to survive.
The art direction and act/level design also took a turn for the worse. They had more variety than 1, true, but they were overall a lot more generic. The game also had pretenses of being an rpg, with quests and crap, and trying to have a "story" despite it being laughably simple and doing very little in making you involved in it.
And, ultimately, it just had no replay value. I don't remember if it had random levels or not, but I stopped halfway through my second play-through because I felt like I was going through the motions. I didn't have a lot of fun with it, and even playing it with friends didn't help. There were four of us and we all bought it and played it together, but I'm the only one who actually finished it. Everyone else dropped it either by the water temple or by the second act. I'm the only idiot who stuck with it because I wanted to like it, but I couldn't.
>>344206718
>Making a character that is such a flop it can't successfully harvest enough currency to reroll by the time you reach maps.
Found the retard.
I mean honestly a few seasons ago I made a 3 totem marauder build that sucked ass but still made money.
>>344210270
Yeah, it literally fixed EVERYTHING.
>>344211497
That's all fine and dandy for someone who has already plowed through several hours of the game to know what works and what doesn't, but it's not the case for new players. I guess you've been playing it for so long you forgot about those people
retard
>>344211497
the problem with poe is that it does not hold your hand
if you're not a dumbass you buy a tabula and movement speed uniques for 15c and get back to maps in ~10 hours
if you're a tard you complain about muh no respec
>>344211445
No wonder the people you argue with get "defensive". You seem pretty stupid so they probably don't want to waste their time.
>>344211445
Weapon specific skills were retarded, but the fucking stats requirement that denied you 1/3 of the gear you found were frustrating too.
>>344209847
You won't meme me again, cuckman.
>>344212835
Sorry I wasn't more articulate. I played it a long time ago and I can't remember the details, but the gist of it is: All classes are bland and there's no build variety, the levels are a chore to trudge through, the combat feels unsatisfying and loot sucks donkey dick. It also had some "slight" balance issues such as the only viable way to play Berserker was to spam Shadow Burst, which was "fixed" by nerfing it and nerfing everything that the devs didn't like.
But instead of insulting me, can you tell me what you disagree with?
>>344210270
i have a good 23 hours on GD
and i really dont like how GD looks
the stats and abilities work with me but they just feel bland
its a just personal gripe i have with it
>>344205036
I don't know but that's what makes PoE not boring. With the temp leagues, leveling up for the first time again is nice.
>>344213928
>lvl 60 in wow
>anthony burch
nah
eat shit faggot
>>344213928
Oh fuck, I accidentally read through half of that before I read the name, I feel contaminated.
D3 with like, 4-5 more classes would have been a successor. The other big D3 problem is there isn't enough room designs to keep it interesting.
>>344200257
>>344200520
I hated Titan Quest, the movement and combat felt terrible. Is GD any better?
>>344216368
Slightly. At least you can't cancel skills mid-animation anymore in GD. The engine is the same, it doesn't even support teleporting.
>>344199670
>sacred 3
surely you were thinking of sacred underworld, right?
>>344216368
diablo 3 is not even a game, you need to have to make choices for there to be a game
million more classes wouldn't change it
>>344206502
how is that not cheap?
git gud
grim dawn>d2 stupid faggot
>crpg
How to spot a virgin 101.
>>344217051
>diablo
>crpg
You are one retarded weeaboo.
>>344199670
Probably too little focus on story and atmosphere. Usually it's the opposite problem.
an anon posted a while ago about some samuri diablo like game. Any ideas?
>>344217381
Don't call me 'wee' lad.
>>344220380
Blade & Sword I believe
