What went wrong? Are they seriously porting WoW to consoles?
Blizzard has been dumbing their game down for normies since TBC.
>>344067406
this
Hearthstone is the superior game anyway.
You never needed any of those abilities they removed
FFXIV is too hard anyway
I was a heroic raider in MoP before they made the "Mythic" swap and I find even story content in FFXIV to be more difficult
>>344067261
Is FFXIV any good? I got that MMO itch.
>>344067763
I needed fel flame.
>>344067921
there's a free trial that goes more than halfway to the level cap
>>344067763
Fuck you retard, I missed having Eyes of the Beast.
>>344067406
MoP was harder to play than TBC, even if it had user friendly conveniences
>>344068195
Cool, will try.
>>344068314
Why would they remove that? They are literally just removing pure fun. It makes me think they just went "Hm, is this fun? Take it out"
>>344069297
Apparently they lost the "server side code" and never put it back in
>>344070408
That's such a bullshit excuse. They knew what they were doing was bullshit and they did it anyway. Gee, private servers run that shit perfectly fine but SOMEHOW they couldn't the code.
God, that makes me angrier than it should. Those disrespectful fucks think their customers are just retards. Granted, many are, but anyone can see how that's bullshit.
>>344067261
stop shilling that shity weeaboo mmorpg.
if it was really as good as you shills keep claiming it would have more players than wow.
having bunch of useless skills is retarded.
>>344067921
I think it's good but your experience may vary depending on how jaded you are and what server you pick.
>>344070408
>can't have vanilla servers because they lost the code
>ragtag groups of thirdworlders create private servers
love the excuse though.
>>344071070
Fucking right? What a bunch of faggots. I don't even care about WoW and this peeves me.
>>344070892
>>344071070
Private servers emulate WoW server side code to create what it is. The world server, the login server, and how everything is scripted. They are often buggy and not anything close to Blizzlike. If you played Nostalrius you can see this first hand how Sithilus quests didn't work at all, character draw distance was pitiful, and there were class bugs like Frost Nova taking longer to break.
>you never needed any of that anyway
not really relevant
it, along with the old talent trees, created the illusion of choice and character customization
it made your character more of an individual, something that is fucking dying in all games
i miss Living with a character
my Mage was like a well tuned car, i knew her.. inside and out
now its just a fireball dispenser with infinite mp
>>344070790
WoW is dropping players like crazy though, they stopped reporting subs almost a year ago because of how bad it's declining.
>>344070408
>lost the server code
FUCKING WAT
I'll send them my vanilla discs and they can reverseengineer that shit
they fucking have the crew from nostalrius on speeddial
>>344072120
server code, not client side code retard.
>>344072018
and its still bigger than weeaboo the mmo
>>344072285
the fuck do you think reveresengieneering with the nostalrius crew means you fucking spunkbucket?
>>344072426
At this rate of WoW's subscriber decline, it won't be long.
http://masterherald.com/world-of-warcraft-losing-subscribers-to-final-fantasy-xiv-sixth-expansion-pack-seeks-to-arrest-declining-gamer-interest/25388/
http://www.gamerevolution.com/news/final-fantasy-xiv-has-had-5-million-subscribers-is-second-most-popular-subscriptionbased-mmo-33713
>>344067921
In my opinion, it's the best themepark MMO available right now.
The trial goes to level 35 now, which is a pretty good look at the game, before it stopped at 20 which is when the combat is still really slow since you don't have abilities to use inbetween GCD
Also, Paladin is a pretty boring tank until 45ish.
>>344072534
Blizzard doesn't want to work with people who create pirated servers of their games, they aren't Valve.
>>344072974
Granted, that 5 million count is just the total number of people who have bought the game and actually paid for a subscription fee, at one point or another.
But that's still pretty good for an MMO that's only a few years old now, I don't see much advertising for it either
Western casuals are retards, they are also ruining FFXIV now.
>>344067261
Well OP, watching your pic it seems that having less Skills it's not a big deal to port an MMO to consoles.
>>344073364
People have been viral marketing (shilling) FF14 on /v/ and Reddit for over a year now.
>>344070790
>if it was really as good as you shills keep claiming it would have more players than wow.
Since when Quality equals sales on Videogames? Are you saying FiFa and COD are the best games ever? Because nothing can compete with them every year.
>>344073738
I meant more like traditional advertising. Not word of mouth.
I still see WoW advertisements every now and then.
>>344067261
Funny enough, XIV is on consoles and hardcore raiders there can handle 30+ buttons on a fucking controller. Don't understand why Modern WoW players can't handle more than 10 buttons on a Keyboard+Mouse.
I would actually play WoW on a console
If only because the more expansions they release, the more inadequate my toaster is for playing even on the lowest settings possible. I can't get higher than 20FPS outdoors in Draenor
>>344073868
I seen like 1 TV commercial for heavensward but that was over a year ago. They also had some FFXIV stuff at E3 recently.
>>344073984
What the fuck kind of computer can't play WoW on low settings?
Really, the game is old as hell and it's not difficult to run.
>>344074179
Yeah there was that one terrible ARR commercial but that's all I can really think of.
Unless you mean a more recent commercial, I haven't seen it.
The E3 stuff escaped me though, that counts. I'd say it's pretty effective advertising too, considering everyone at E3 knows what MMOs are.
>>344067261
>he has the Sprint in number 6
>Binding fucking SPRINT on a TP based job
What the fuck is wrong with that guy?
>>344073984
FF14 with a controller was my preferred way of playing especially on my tank.
>>344073984
i have a 610 and i can run wow max settings with highest resolution do you have a pc that was made in 1998?
>>344067763
fuck you, symbiosis was fun and so were the other 50 or so resto druid abilities they removed
seriously, before wod being good at resto druid meant knowing your abilities and when to use them for best effect, after wod they just removed half our abilities and buffed numbers to compensate
resto druid is fucking faceroll and it sucks because it's the only healer spec i like
>>344074479
>what the fuck kind of computer can't play WoW on low settings
a toaster, I don't even see why I have to repeat myself here. I get 60FPS in places like Outland and Northrend, they keep making Low more graphically intensive
>>344071070
>>344071779
they do have the code and have said as much
what they don't have is some of the shit required to BUILD the code, including a bunch of assets and shit
source: http://forum.nostalrius.org/viewtopic.php?f=2&t=44218
>>344074951
>linking a group of French faggots that were given a PR tour and meeting, then never spoken to again
>>344075065
please actually read it before being dumb
>>344073984
FFXIV with a good controller (DS4) is confy as fuck and you can't go back to the Keyboard.
I don't see a lot of reason to get one of these but I honestly would if I could play WoW on my PS4.
If they ever ported WoW to consoles I'd hope they'd also integrate Battle.net retroactively with D3 and Overwatch
>>344074565
Sprint doesn't consume TP in PVP.
Also MCH regenerates TP very quickly thanks to invigorate, quick reload, and rook turret.
>>344075585
>Sprint doesn't consume TP in PVP.
Oh. I never PVPed. I didn't know.
>>344071070
They have admitted that they lied about losing the code.
>>344067406
First post is best post.
One thing I really enjoy from FFXIV is how each server has their own community. Leviathan is the midcore group, Gilgamesh is the hardcore group, Balmung is the casual weeb group, etc. Once you do something stupid or good in party finder, people on your server will eventually know your name and word spreads fast.
>>344067406
wotlk had the most abilities for each class though.
>>344067261
I remember there was a rumor of WoW being ported to 360 almost a decade ago.
I'm surprised Blizzard hasn't made a port yet, the game isn't exactly hard to play anymore.
>>344067261
>What went wrong?
WoW happened.
>>344067746
It's the heroes of the storm of TCG vidya.
>>344076443
Wrath was the start of casualizing game mechanics and making dungeons into AoE spamfests.
>>344076278
>Once you do something stupid or good in party finder, people on your server will eventually know your name and word spreads fast.
Remember when playing Vanilla WoW and somebody ninja'd any good stuff from a dungeon or raid? The whole server would know that guy was a ninja.
>>344077164
I remember that. There used to be a guy on my server who ran a casino roll game in-game and it had shady as fuck odds. Everyone knew to stay away from him as word spread in trade chat.
>>344074761
Typical delusional druid.
You actually think you needed skill to play. Fuck off.
>>344077951
nah
>>344077138
I'm not gonna deny that.
BURN
>Drop Rune
>Drop Crystal
>Arcane Power
>Arcane missile when available, otherwise...
>Arcane Blast until 50% Mana
>Evocation
>Arcane Barrage
CONSERVE
>Arcane Power on cooldown
>Arcane Blast
>Arcane Blast
>Arcane Blast
>Arcane Blast
>Arcane Missiles until empty
>Arcane Barrage
>Repeat until evocation is almost up then move to burn
>Don't stand in the fire.
>Keep your runes up
Congrats, you are now a top tier arcane mage.
>>344067261
They remove/replace spells all the time. Cleave was removed in WoD but it's back now for Legion, so whatever.
The big thing is a lot of spells are restricted to certain specs now, druids can't use Mark of the Wild unless they are resto. It's not so much that spells were removed, but that they've become spec restricted.
>>344075421
Blizzard wouldn't port it if they couldn't do that, it's built into their games now. Removing it would mean extra work, and I'm not sure if Blizzard is up for that.
Anyways, that looks pretty cool, but I feel like your typing would be slow as fuck. It also looks cumbersome to hold
>>344074565
In end game content if things are going wrong, having the option to sprint outweighs TP management.
>>344079217
>typing would be slow as fuck
if you could text on old slide phones you could type decently fast on one of those
>looks cumbersome
if you have a controller pick it up and hold it. your fingers stop just before where it'd be anyway even when it's not there
>>344067921
Same here. I'm getting burned out on ESO and need something else for some time. Can I play with a controller? How is the PvP? how does the economy work? Do I have a lot of room to succeed with any class doing any role?
>>344067921
Items are completely trash because the dev team is easily triggered by things that might be hard to balance. Content can be fun but far too much of it is targeted at the mouthbreather crowd.
It's probably worth it up to 60. I can't really recommend raiding right now since you're doing it just for the experience of the fights and any sense of character progression has been completely shit on.
>>344079174
>druids can't use Mark of the Wild unless they are resto
meh i get what they're trying to do, but small tweaks to buffs after the cata homogenization is polishing a turd
>>344067921
It doesn't force you to interact with anyone. Even raids and high-end crafting only require the odd acquaintance to reasonably complete or obtain. The biggest perpetrator behind this aspect is the instanced group finding system. Dungeons are linear and repetitive, bosses are all fought in circle/square arenas, and combat consists of high group synchronization and Simon-says styled mechanics. Gear progression is pretty much just a treadmill with almost no room for alternatives or variance. Stats and customization (non-appearance wise) are a joke. The story and characters are fine and probably on the decent side of the spectrum as far as Final Fantasy stories go. Side-content is either repetitive and grind heavy or extraneous distractions.
All in all, it can be fun if you are a fan of the FF series and if you play with the right group of people. It will wear on you however, and will likely make you wish it would branch out a bit and try different things (which it might start doing if the endless dungeon addon is any indication of things to come.) However, its deeper issues reside within the core of the game's design and will likely never change.
>>344079663
I could type decently on A9, so I guess it wouldn't be too terrible.
Also you're right again. Tried on a Wii U Pro gamepad and my fingers barely wrap around the "legs"
>>344080051
>Wii U Pro Gamepad
I still want to know how the fuck Nintendo managed to make a controller last like 4 days without needing charged
>>344080012
guilds/static groups and communication are mandatory if you want to do savage raiding or build specialist only crafts.
>>344070408
they didn't lose it, they just accidentally removed it and they never bothered to put it back in
>>344079702
The entire game can be played with a controller. Also DO NOT get the game on PS3, it's a fucking lag fest. It's much better on PS4, but the game runs and looks the best on PC.Surprise!
The PVP is very much an afterthought, but they've been focusing on it more and more as of late. There's an arena now, complete with team rankings and ratings and such. There's a few battlegrounds too. But the game is PVE focused at it's core. However, they did talk about the possibility of adding open world PVP and/or dueling. I doubt it would happen though, but it would be pretty sweet if it was implemented and your PVP allegiance was by Grand Company (basically the armies of each of the city-states, there are 3).
Economy I'm really not that sure of, as that is mainly reserved for people interested in crafting and/or gathering. A lot of the highly sought after armor and house furniture is made by players.
Each class is fairly rigid on how they perform, which in my opinion, is one of the game's weak points. Your White Mage will play exactly like someone else's White Mage. However, you can switch classes at any time as long as you aren't in a dungeon (there's a few exceptions) and you can do everything on a single character. The games sub is also $2 cheaper if you only have a single character.
I say give it a shot, it's a very relaxing game with a lot to do, and especially comfy with a controller. I still recommend a keyboard for communication though.
>>344080287
I don't know dude, shit's magic. I just charged mine recently after playing a fuck ton of Mushihimesama and it hadn't been charged since I moved, which was like half a year ago.
>>344073984
stop wasting money on consoles and start wasting money on PC upgrades, dipshit
>>344080968
you can't tell me what to do shitdip
>>344079969
At least they're trying. This is also the first expansion since CATA that has a 3D animated log-in screen.
There's clearly a lot more work going into Legion than previous expansions, but that doesn't mean it's going to be good.
>>344080898
Thanks, I'll give it a try.
>>344079702
>How is the PvP?
Awful. The game isn't built for it and every game mode they've released has been bad except the arena, which suffers because of the first part. At one point pretty early on the producer had to personally ask the playerbase to stop jumping in pvp because the movement estimation at the time didn't apply to people that were jumping, so you couldn't hit them.
>>344081590
You're welcome. Ask more questions if you like, I will try to answer as honestly and factually as I can.
Also, the trial stops at level 35.
>>344080898
>ESO is free after initial purchase with an optional paid sub
>FFXIV is still sub-only
I don't get this meme
>>344067261
It's probably part of some longer goal, like a future sequel or spiritual sequel which they're designing around a low number of abilities and inputs and possibly on console. They might be aiming to get the negative backlash out of the way now on a game in its twilight they don't care very much about.
>>344081743
To tell you the truth, it's because the Japanese are scared of the concept of free to play. To them, it means the game is not worth playing.
Also the game is doing really well right now and still getting updates, it would be silly of them to halt the cash flow the game is bringing in.
>>344081743
It's SE. Fucking FFXI still has a sub AND you have to pay an extra dollar for every character AND they just announced the option to buy 2 more subs to give you more more inventory for armor like 2 days ago
>>344067921
Unsubbed a few days ago, couldn't make it to 60. The urge to log on was completely gone. I really enjoyed at first but at some point it got too repetitive for me. The story has its moments but most quests are filler shit and there's probably 5 different types of quests that just repeat infinitely.
>>344077138
>was the start of casualizing mechanics
>when each expansion has increased the mechanical complexity of encounters
?
>>344080012
>The biggest perpetrator behind this aspect
I love how you use "perpetrator" as if it's a bad thing. I fucking love that I've played 450 hours of XIV and not made a single friend.
>>344082376
>I love how you use "perpetrator" as if it's a bad thing.
It is.
>>344082260
mechanical complexity means nothing with addons like DBM literally explain to you the fight step by step as it happens and is always updated on day one of a patch thanks to the PTR.
Dungeon finder, welfare raid gear, and more made Wrath a shitfest.
>>344081868
Sony/Microsoft want a cut of the sub fee & micro transactions
Guess why no console version
>>344080479
We had a guy run with our static group who was friends/acquaintances with one of our guild and raid members. He never spoke to us outside of raid chat and confirmations. He didn't belong to a FC and, as we all understood, preferred to play the game solo.
One friend and some skill is enough to land you in a static or meet the right crafters.
>>344067261
Funny because ffxiv is on consoles
>>344081948
There are plenty of free to play games in Japan, mainly on mobile. PSO2 is also huge and that's F2P.
It's mainly about the sub money.
>>344081743
ESO is run by gaming giants who throw money at a game at a moment's notice.
XIV is run by a guy living off pocket change given by papa squeenix.
>>344082890
I entirely forgot about PSO2. Isn't that game filled with lots of things that are a pain in the ass, unless you pay?
>>344074761
>resto druid is fucking faceroll
Resto Druid has always been faceroll tier.
>>344067921
No, it's one of the most boring experiences you can ever have.
>>344082730
>means nothing with addons like DBM literally explain to you the fight step by step
Yes they do? By your logic any game that has ever had a guide written about it can't be considered challenging. Next you'll try and tell me Vanilla Raids were more difficult than MoP/WoD raids.
>>344082917
>a guy living off pocket change
He literally runs their MMO division and effectively told the FFXI team to close up shop to siphon even more money to his team.
FFXIV isn't bad because they're poor it's bad because they're uncreative and don't want to take any risks whatsoever.
>>344083116
You're playing it wrong. You're meant to roll a female hyur and pretend to be shit, then join a free company and get them to buy you shit.
>>344067921
Best MMO I played in over a decade, the endgame fights in Heavensward are really well done. I find 8 man Savage harder than 25 man mythic.
>>344067921
Not really. It's a snoozefest.
>>344083248
>MMO division
The same MMO division that was almost scrapped from no confidence after the abysmal 1.0 launch. They don't have an impressive budget, needless to say.
>>344083220
There's a difference between reading a guide and having an addon scream audio ques and flash giant text on your screen as a mechanic is about to happen.
>>344067921
I have fun with it. I treat it as a retirement home for old MMO players.
>>344083545
Yes, but the level of complexity of mechanics in new raids means that just being told what to do isn't enough to make it as mechanically bare as TBC raids. You're delusional if you think release Sunwell is even close to the complexity of a Heroic raid in current WoW.
>>344083380
This. The rigid and decently balanced trinity roles allow the devs to do some real interesting things in hard fights. Thordan's Reign was the first time in a long time where I legitimately felt out of my league, with the dragon's gaze + towers + aoe combos.
>>344083675
No one gives a fuck about sunwell or heroics. I'm talking about how retarded WoW raiding is now with all the addons people have at their disposal. There's no surprise or actual learning anymore, all you have to do is follow what DBM says. If you don't, you're only holding your shitty 25 man raid group back.
>>344083545
Not the devs fault that people got better at their game. Also doesn't make the encounters less complex, the existence of DBM actually allows the devs to make them even more off the wall.
>>344083921
Then don't use DBM. You've always been expected to know the mechanics if you're in a progression group and it isn't literally day 1 of the raid being out.
>>344067921
Content out the wazoo. If you want to waste 8+ hours a day on an MMO, play XIV.the quality of said content ranges from person to person, there's just a lot of it.
>>344084153
Literally every raid group these days requires DBM unless you're doing poopsocking world first progression. Even the world first archimonde kill had people using DBM with strats they used from killing him on the PTR.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Vx6ipbVOWvY
>>344083921
This whole conversation began because you, or atleast the person I thought I've been talking to, said they've been dumbing down mechanics since TBC which is factually incorrect.
But you seem to be under the impression that you could walk into a mythic raid with just DBM and be completely fine, because apparently their is no learning to raids anymore.
>>344084429
The hardest part about mythic raiding is finding people with the same schedule and item level as you, the actual mechanics are easymode if you follow fucking simon says.
>>344083380
Thordan EX was such a hype fight. One of the Knights even used the same move that killed Haurchefant as a tankbuster mechanic.
>>344083069
Not really, paying only gives you stuff like being able to trade with players and cosmetics. Everything else is pretty much free or takes awhile to grind for.
>>344067921
All my WoW buddies left for that a few months ago. They seem to be enjoying it since it gets updated frequently compared to WoW.
>>344083380
Hard maybe, but as a MNK, A4S was one of the most boring fights I've ever done. Stupid long target dummy fight where I didn't even have to hit positionals until the last phase.
Every other savage fight in HW has been good, but A4S just left me hating showing up for raid time during the last tier.
>>344085661
A3S was really good but occasional server lag ruined it for me. Midas was a lot better than Gordias though. A7S was a super fun fight and I love how it focused mainly on mechanics rather than DPS checks.
>>344067261
Someone post the Arms Warrior abilities. You could macro all of them to one button.
>>344084208
>If you want to waste 8+ hours a day on an MMO, play XIV.
Literally the opposite.
If you want to play 1 hour a day, it's ok. The game has so little relevant content that you'll be bored out of your mind in a week at 8 hours a day at max level.
>>344067261
>What went wrong?
Nothing. Specs have far more core spells now than they had in vanilla, and raid encounters are massively more complex/
>>344088128
I still find shit to do that's fun and I played for thousands of hours. There's more to a MMO than just raiding ya know.
>>344088726
Wrong
>>344089298
>only 154 days for a game out for 11 years
fucking casual
>>344089524
But the game was rebooted in 2013
>>344089410
Care to offer some explanation, friend?
>>344090296
Modern addons trivialize "complex" mechanics and the core spells in legion are just Blizzards way of homogenizing playstyles because they are too arsed to balance their fucking game.
>>344067921
I bought it during the steam summer sale and it was worth it. People on Exodus seem to be friendly and I enjoy how comfy it is. Some random crafter guy offered to make me gear for free and I was even able to visit his small house in some housing ward.
>>344067406
this tbqh fàm
>>344073576
I blame WoWrefugees. Now that Nostalrius is failing and retail WoW has gone to shit, most of them are migrating to FFXIV.
Monk is the Super Saiyan of DPS jobs
>>344092293
>200 pages of powering up
Indeed. ;)
>>344083380
>>344084840
spoilers dudes
>>344083380
It's 20 man not 25 man
>>344090650
>Modern addons trivialize "complex" mechanics
Okay, so you're a retard.
>>344067406
Graphical MUDs were the dumbing down.
>>344083883
>Thordan's Reign was the first time in a long time where I legitimately felt out of my league, with the dragon's gaze + towers + aoe combos.
IKR? Everytime I reached that phase I just praid for a miracle to happen.
That's why not having things like DBM is a good thing.
>>344094907
Not the same anon but he's right. Everything you do in WoW's PVE is trivialized because you have to play with addons telling you what to do and where to go. There's no skill on that, it's just following orders.
Like...remember Mother on Black Temple? She would mark 3 random players and those players had to run in opposing directions or they would die. DBM just put a fucking ARROW on the top of each player's head so they knew at what direction to run. That's literally for retards.
Also we have the common
>GO HERE!
>GO THERE!
>SKILL X IN 10 SECONDS, PREPARE YOUR DEFENSIVE CD!
>SKILL Y IN 10 SECONDS, PREPARE YOUR CUT CAST SKILL!
>YOU ARE TOO CLOSE TO X PLAYER, SPLIT!
>STAY OUT OF THIS AOE!
If that's not trivializing mechanics I don't know what is.
>>344068195
Can you get a free game time like on WoW with tokens?
>>344084067
This is true, Blizzard has said in the past that they create encounters with DBM/BigWigs or whatever in mind
>>344084067
but it's not off the wall if DBM flashes on your screen telling you in advance what exactly to do, the game is still treating you like you're a fucking 5 year old.
>2016
>not playing FFXIV
come on son
>Prune a bunch of useless shit that no one would use.
>B-but I wanted to use that one flavor spell for a minute or 2 and never use it again.
>>344098546
No, sub only. It's cheap.
>>344103903
FFXIV is shit, it's more shit than WoW is now which is saying a lot.
And why does that Chocobo got 2 useless t-rex armor hands?
>>344104248
Barding.
>>344093525
shut the fuck up
>rogue
>lets rename combat to outlaw
>remove its poisons its a pirate now.
>also remove poisons from sub its a shadowy class now
>CLASS FANTASY is screamed as people complain about outlaw just being combat with a different name and a shitty pistol that deals fuck all damage.
>class fantasy is yelled into peoples ears as they remove poisons from all rogue specs but one which that spec is now being focused on bleeds
