Is it at least in the top 5 games of last gen?
I feel as though this place hates it and never talks about it even though it has universal critical, user acclaim and is one of the most played games on steam every day.
Just because something is popular doesn't make it good, you fruitloop.
>>343983634
Just because something is popular doesn't mean it is bad you apple jack
>>343983634
Many would say Skyrim was one of the most groundbreaking and influential games of last gen next to Uncharted 2. What I want to know, is how does /v/ feel about these general perceived notions?
Well? Is there an answer?
I'm very curious.
>>343983767
Unfortunately in this case it does.
>>343984152
Yeah it's one of the top ones. RPGs don't sell that well anymore so for it to become a LASTING phenomenon like it did means it has some merit. Long-term merit. It gets a lot of shit from Morrowindfags and I understand their concerns, but it also did a lot of things right. To be honest I'll be surprised if the next TES reaches the levels this one did.
>>343983481
Nope. Fable 2 was better.
>>343983481
Not even in the top 100.
You ask two different questions. Is Skyrim one of the best games of all time? Of course not. Is it in the top 5 of last gen? Maybe, it seems like there's been a lot of bland open-world games lately, and Skyrim might be king of gruel island. I probably like Kingdoms of Amalur more for having somewhat more engaging combat, taking place in a equally uninteresting setting.
I liked it. Played over 3 thousands hours of it over the years.
good thing I'm not part of the hive mind.
>>343985303
Cause you modded it
>>343985092
>>343984790
What makes it unsuitable for being one of the best of all time? It along with Fallout 3, New Vegas, and the Mass Effect trilogy garnered universal acclaim from hardcore gamers everywhere.
>>343985490
Ye, after 2,500 hours I bought a decent PC and I did.
Nah fuck that, OP.
Here's a better question. Which was a bigger disappointment?
Skyrim, MGS5, or Dark Souls 3?
>>343983932
It's not groundbreaking nor influential, what games were influenced by it?
As for groundbreaking, pretty much everything in it has existed in previous elder scrolls games, just now more casual.
>>343985505
I can't help but think you're defining "hardcore gamers" in a way that makes your statement true. That is, you're almost certainly begging the question.
Mass Effect fell apart the moment you make a phone call to Sovereign and the writers fall back on "you couldn't possibly understand us." All that said was that the writers didn't have a serious plan for the Reapers, which of course ended up being true.
As for the bland open-world action-ish RPGs, they're too little butter spread over too much toast. Probably the only game in this style I really like is Risen, because its limited scope let them develop a little ecosystem that mostly made sense. Even Morrowind, which had (by far) the best main story of the modern Elder Scrolls games, would've benefited from being a less ambitious, more linear game.
Or, as I said, Kingdoms of Amalur was better than Skyrim just because its combat was better, since both of them have terminally uninteresting stories and worlds.
>>343983481
Not even in the top 100.
It's not even the best TES game
>>343984776
>RPGs don't sell that well
Which is why Skyrim did
>>343986272
It's probably the second best honestly. Face It, Oblivion was utter shit and even this casual badgercock was better.
>>343986272
>>343986257
Then why is it popular? What makes it or Elder Scrolls in general attractive?
And before you say mods, you can't mod on consoles.
>>343983932
>groundbreaking
>influential
>skyrim
>next to fucking uncharted 2
I want to die
>>343986394
More of an RPG than Dark Souls or Zelda.
>>343983481
>>343983767
>>343985505
Stop posting. Go back to wherever you came from and discuss video games there.
>>343986215
>since both of them have terminally uninteresting stories and worlds
explain this please.
>>343986469
>why is below average shit like the beatles or shakespeare is popular???? xD
>>343986675
Are you implying The Beatles and Shakespeare are "below average" and not at the top of their respective crafts?
>>343986469
Hype and easy for casuals to play.
That's how you sell a game.
>>343986416
The only really bad part about Oblivion is the terrible level scaling, which can easily be fixed with mods. The main story is pretty good, the guild questlines are GOAT, the art style is amazing and the combat is so much better than Skyrim's sponges. Even the cities are all exciting and have great quests. Being on the road feels like an adventure where you never know what you'll find, what with how forested Cyrodiil is.
Skyrim just feels empty. The cities suck for the most part, the guilds suck, the main questline is boring, the civil war is boring, and even the map is just less interesting.
>>343986604
This isn't an echo chamber. You have no control over what is posted here.
>>343983481
Started off with the most game breaking glitches I have seen in a single game. Hell, I think it had more glitches than every other commercial game combined. Also, too many things in the game were way too repetitive, like enemies and exploration.
The only redeeming thing about Skyrim was the mods, and mods are NOT part of the game. Probably gets more hate than it deserves on this site, but that counterbalances all the love it gets and doesn't deserve from everyone else. It is a strait up average game.
>>343986829
Are you implying a thing as subjective as music has a "top" other than popularity?
>>343986829
They are extremely overrated
>>343986885
Skyrim had no replayability to add to that too.
I completed the main questline and all the guilds once and just couldn't be bothered replaying it.
Every time I've tried to reinstall it to give it another chance I uninstall it mid intro dungeon.
>>343986416
No I agree, Oblivion has too many flaws to overlook.
>>343986469
People like open world exploration games, and Bethesda makes their games pretty damn open. Problem is they've been diluting the RPGness of their games in favour of cinematics and fucking building/crafting bullshit.
>>343986469
Mass appeal, a simple action RPG without complicated stats, menus or systems, too many words. The game doesn't need actual role playing or replayability since they won't even finish their first playthrough, it doesn't need good writing because these people watch superhero movies.
Most importantly of all they want to feel "badass and epic".
>>343986629
Well, for Kingdoms of Amalur, having the main character of a computer RPG "not bound by fate" is fucking retarded. The game is on rails at all times, and character talking about you following the game's plot as "defying fate" just grated. I also could not give a single shit about the Time Squared immortals. It's like Highlander's very special cousin.
Skyrim is the Cartesian product of (cave, fort, burial site) and (draugr, animals, necromancers, vampires), with the occasional line of dialogue telling you why you're going there.
>>343986950
I don't know much about books or plays, but The Beatles are supremely respected and hailed as the quintessential greatest because their music involves a whole host of genres and speaks so eloquently about the political and social climate of their times. They were masters that innovated and enraptured millions.
>Skyrim
>You don't get to eat out the sky's asshole
Shit game
>>343985505
>Fallout 3 and the Mass Effect trilogy garnered universal acclaim from hardcore gamers everywhere.
Yeah, us hardcore gamers eh?
>>343987305
And yet music is still a genre that is 100% subjective.
>>343986598
CoD is more of a RPG than Skyrim
the only reason why people still play this garbage is for fap mods
>>343987080
You can pretty much do everything in one playthrough. There is no way to fail, you can only die, and then you get another chance until you succeed. It's fucking stupid.
>>343987423
Bethesda could never implement this much choice/consequence in even a single quest.
>>343987669
What the fuck, it's not even a meme now, it's completely true
>>343987353
>>343986604
>>343986560
Gears was pretty influential and groundbreaking as well. I'm very curious to see what The Coalition will bring us with Gears 4.
>>343987916
>Gears was pretty influential and groundbreaking
>>343988107
Gears of War is far better with a more nuanced cover system and gunplay that allows for competitive play. It also broke new ground with its coop and horde modes.
If skyrum is in your top 5 video games, you need to play more than 5 video games.
>>343983481
>any modern AAA game
>best of all time
LMAO. These games are ALL casualized and boring as fuck. TES can only be interesting with shitloads of mods.
>>343987437
Only reason why I play it. Cant see how any enjoyed this game without mods unless they did not play other games much to begin with because it certainly does nothing unique and is a step backward compared to Oblivion..
>>343988359
It's not more nuanced. Quality has nothing to do with influence, Kill.Switch invented what Gears and everybody else ripped off wholesale. Kill.Switch broke ground and influenced Gears and everything which came afterwards.
You must be a literal child if you think Gears of War 2 invented survival modes in video games.
>>343988591
>LMAO. These games are ALL casualized and boring as fuck
Then why d many on /v/ consider Witcher 3 one of the greatest games of all time?
The highest rated games on Metacritic are Ocarina of Time, SoulCalibur I, NFL 2K1, Half Life 2, Uncharted 2, Skyrim, Super Mario Galaxy, Tekken 3, Gran Turismo 1 and 3, The Last of Us, Bioshock 1, Halo 1, Perfect Dark
All of these are triple a games. Why are they bad to you? There are indie games that are acclaimed as well.
>>343988858
Kill Switch isn't played competitively or let alone today at all.
>>343983481
People play Skyrim because Morrowind and Oblivion were better and thus built the reputation of TES games being great. And with that Bethesda marketed the shit out of Skyrim while removing just about anything complicated to make it digestible for casual gamers.
It's pretty much the most flawed game of the entire franchise franchise. The very first TES games included.
>>343989704
Irrelevant. Gears didn't invent competition either.
>>343983481
Give it another actual Elder Scrolls and I'm sure we'll be getting similar topics of Skyrim as we do with Oblivion.
>>343989634
>Then why d many on /v/ consider Witcher 3 one of the greatest games of all time?
Because they are retarded.
>Why are they bad to you?
Because they are boring and have gameplay for the mentally challenged. Could as well watch a fucking B movie instead of playing these "games".
>>343985664
Dark Souls 3 was a very good game, and GOTY so far
>>343990089
>if /v/ doesn't like something, it can't be that it's bad, there must be another reason!
Delusion
>>343985664
All of them
how much did the porn mods improve?
Last time I played was almost a year ago, but I might reinstall if there's mew interesting stuff
>>343983932
Skyrim was okay, but completely normiefied even more than Oblivion. Uncharted 2 is putrid ass and I have come to terms with the fact that I will never understand why games like Uncharted are so praised.
While I'm insulting games people like: the Arkham games are utter shit. I bought Arkham City in 2011 and could not believe how it got such high ratings.
>>343983767
/v/ loves 40k and Deus Ex
>>343990738
>I will never understand why games like Uncharted are so praised
Because most people don't even like playing games, they want to watch fucking interactive movies instead.
>>343987916
I enjoy gears immensely but I expect Gears 4 to be nothing but alright with a mediocre singleplayer
>>343990232
it was a casualized greatest hits collection
4/10
you tried
>>343983932
It was groundbreaking and infuential on an objective levelwhen strictly speaking about modding potential.Literally nothing comes close even to this day except maybe 2nd Life which is super jew and has even worse performance.
>/v/ suddenly loves Skyrim
What the fuck went wrong? I throught this place was full of memesters that hated Skyrim.
>>343987669
Eh not that impressive, good for an FPS but still doesn't have all the options available in Skyrim, even if it's something as banal as stealing shit from merchants. It still boils down to:
>character dies or not
>slightly different outcome
Good selection of endings though.
>>343992047
Its a very boring game
but at the same time its the current best h game
>>343983481
>Is Skyrim one of the best games of all time?
No, it's one of those games everyone with half a brain hates, yet still has over 200 hours spent playing it.
>>343992047
Op is just a faggot.
>>343991425
The most moddable thing is a metaprogramming language like Lisp or Forth. This isn't even being pedantic; being glorified programming environments is what makes things like Skyrim and Second Life so moddable. That said, Skyrim is far more moddable than Second Life, especially with the script extenders, in that Second Life has a more limited API. Which makes sense, Second Life has to remain a relatively coherent online game, while you can completely take over the mechanics of Skyrim if you're so inclined.
But all that said, Skyrim is no more moddable than Oblivion or Morrowind, or Neverwinter Nights for that matter. It's definitely not groundbreaking, and it's only influential because it was a lot of normalfags' first exposure to serious modding.
>>343993042
You can't play a game and hate it. I've only played Skyrim once for 20 minutes and turned it off because I have no interest in that type of game. But I recognize its merits and what it's done for the medium. You on the other hand played it for 200 hours yet somehow hate it. Why is this? Why didn't you turn off the game at the first 20 minutes knowing you didn't like that style of game?
>>343992216
What tangible results from player decisions does Skyrim have, other than character dies or not?
>>343987669
Stop spouting this "C&C is an integral part of any RPG" codex meme. By this logic, VNs are the best RPGs ever, which they are not. C&C is only a very good bonus to the roleplaying aspects of a RPG, but the same can be said about ANY game, since C&C makes ANY game better.
What makes a RPG good is the ability to solve problems in different ways based on the skills and abilities of your character that you pick up during character creation and progression. A simplified example would be a diplomatic Bard solving a quest via non-violent means, because he is skilled in speechcraft/bluff/perform, while a scary looking beefcake Fighter would solve the same quest via either non-violent means through Intimidate or just plain killing everyone ded. This is what makes a good RPG and there aren't that many RPGs out there that present the player consistently with such opportunities of roleplay.
Of course, Skyrim has neither C&C, nor good multi-solution quests, so it's a shit RPG either way.
>>343993668
Because he must align with the memes at any cost, even if he's a total fucktard hypocrite.
>>343993668
It's a guilty pleasure kind of thing. I know it has very shallow roleplay mechanics and the world is an empty shithole populated with copy-pasted dungeons that do not reward independent exploration, but I still liked the atmosphere of the game. It felt comfy for a while.
>>343993859
Steal shit, end up in prison or pay is a basic example, has been around for awhile because it's, y'know, an RPG series as opposed to an FPS. Or the entire Civil War which admittedly was gutted before release but you can restore parts of it with mods.
>>343983481
I'd say it was definitely one of the top 5 of last gen, but I don't know about the best.
Top 5 for me would be
5. Fable 2
4. Halo 3
3. Skyrim
2. Uncharted 2
1. Last of Us
>>343983481
gud:
>graphics
>assets
>music
>mods
bad:
>gameplay (it's literally left click only)
>story
>characters
>quests
>balance
>oversimplification
>horrible UI
however for the common newmale the priorities are like:
1. graphics
2. sexmods
3. dual wielding
4. UNLIMITED QUESTS!!1
...
100. gameplay
>>343993668
Because I force myself to finish the games I start, even if sometimes I don't really like them, because they might get better further in.
And sometimes I even end up liking them. Happened with Darksiders, E.Y.E. and Prey.
>>343985303
How can you play the game for so long and not see its flaws?
>>343994402
Absolutely zero (0) taste
>>343993668
Because the game sounds good in concept but was executed poorly? Why would you assume he disliked the "style" of the game in particular?
I've personally played the game for hours too. When I begun I saw a huge world sprawling in front of me which I assumed would be full of interesting stuff to uncover. How is anyone supposed to know that won't be the case with 20 minutes of playtime?
>>343985664
mgs 5 for sure
Skyrim has a fun world to explore, but the questing is shit.
Oblivion has great quests, but the world is shit.
>>343983481
If a game needs mods to be fun, it's not a fun game.
>>343995357
dumb frogposter
>>343995898
The world still had more variation than Skyrim, or any other TES game for that matter, even if it was all more generic than Morrowind.
>>343996063
>Oblivion world was diverse
Stop memeing faggot.
>>343995357
Those were games I felt deserved to be praised as best of the gen because they pushed the medium forward and couldn't be accomplished on previous hardware. What is wrong with them? Were there not enough indie titles to your preference?
>>343996003
He's right, though.
>>343996269
Hi, samefag
>>343996235
>movies pushing the medium forward
Stop posting and go back to whatever shithole you came from.
>>343995357
>>343996269
When did frogposters learn samefagging?
>>343995898
>fun world to explore
>same fucking textures everywhere
>terrain is either snow or forests
>every single fucking cave looks the same
>every enemy looks and sounds the same
>every fucking 'city' has around 12 npcs at most, and only half of those have anything worthwhile to say. they also all sound the same
>all the sidequests are 'fetch a from cave' or 'kill b from ruin'
>main quests are all predictable, short and uninteresting
Skyrim is an incredibly shit game in every way. It's one of the most shallow games I've ever played, and that's why it did well. Casual gamers want shallow.
>>343996364
Sorry you don't understand what a game is.
>>343996546
And how old are you?
>>343996226
Green plains in the centre, thick forests to the east(?), snow and mountains to the north, flat swamplands to the south.
Most people only remember ruins on green grass with 3 bandits in glass armour leaping out.
>>343996343
>>343996367
>post list of shitty games that /v/ is known to generally dislike
>people call you a retard for it
>hurr samefag
Just stop.
What was /v/'s reaction to Skyrim on the day of release?
The hate for MGS5 was instantaneous. I was having fun on launch day but checked here after taking a break and everyone universally panned it.
>>343996826
>/v/ is one person
Just because you don't like them doesn't mean they're hated universally here.
>>343983481
it is so bland and boring. even all the mods don't make a good game of it.
compare the story to witcher 3.
>>343996849
Tons of roll your character threads. It was fun.
>>343996749
Certainly older than you, judging by how butthurt your response to a post criticizing your piece of crap game makes you look like.
>>343997103
I'm not mad, I'm just asking how old you are.
>>343996981
>generally dislike
>generally
The majority of /v/ hates it and you're the newest of newfags if you believe otherwise.
>>343994867
>How can you play the game for so long and not see its flaws?
It's a game that has some great things about it but also some deep flaws.
>>343983481
>>343984152
>>343984995
Yes it is anon.
>>343997074
Ok then when did the hate arrive? Where are the archives?
>>343997216
Which is absolutely not relevant to the discussion we're currently having and is meant as an implied insult. Either engage with the main argument or fuck right off.
no.
>>343997232
Unless you can get a poll contained around 10,000 votes, you can't really "prove" the majority here dislike any of those games. Hell, there was a Halo 3 MCC thread a few days ago.
>>343996796
>Green plains in the centre, thick forests to the east(?), snow and mountains to the north, flat swamplands to the south.
>Most people only remember ruins on green grass with 3 bandits in glass armour leaping out.
Skyrim has a general taiga setting but it also has a lush forest place, rocky crag district, creepy swamp, volcanic geyser flats, frozen tundra, up in the mountains places and a central plains region.
It only blends together because of the stupid washed out look that they put over everything.
>>343996849
Got it along with most of my housemates. Was really good fun comparing experiences, characters and discoveries. The questing was pants vs Oblivion though, particularly the guild quests. And TES hasn't had a worthwhile main quest since Morrowind.
>>343988107
I fucking loved kill switch
it's fucking amazing that not many fps games can do a cover system at all or it's just some clunky thing that doesn't work half the time when you get near to the designated cover spot that's throw in once in a while on a few maps, and you get stuck with the clunky controls that wont let you away from the cover you have to duck and of course the cover can be shot through
Damn it was good how the NPC's sort of would run a pattern and worked together to try and flank you.
>>343997591
Or maybe you could not be a newfag that wasn't around in 2011 when Skyrim released. Took /v/ a week or two to see it for the flawed and shallow game it was and has been loathed ever since by the majority. Well, until people like you came here and started making these shitty threads, that is.
>>343983481
I trust Coury and Marc more than /v/ as they're far more hardcore than the majority here, and they also agree Skyrim is one of the best of last gen.
I don't understand /v/'s hatred for anything modern and triple a as if that makes them "cooler" or "wiser" for saying they're all garbage compared to games of old.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=IG9YzadeV-o
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=tT9OnPjQKWY
>>343983481
It's in the same gen as Castle Crashers and doesn't even manage to be that good.
>>343997770
Gears of War's cover system isn't clunky and blows Kill Switch out the water
>>343983481
>Skyrim is a top-5 game of last gen.
>>343987305
>Beatles is quintessential rock music
what the fuck is this thread
>>343983481
Top 5 games of last gen
1. Dark Souls 2
2. Dark Souls
3. Dark Souls 3
4. Demon's Souls
5. Life is Strange
>>343998432
Dark Souls 3 wasn't last gen.
>>343998356
What the fuck?
Who doesn't love The Beatles?
It's like hating The Beach Boys, Teena Marie, Michael Jackson, or Rick James
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=usNsCeOV4GM
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=kBbE-XJ1Ys8
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=wGLQBVWxEeY
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Eab_beh07HU
>>343998432
Hit dodge hit dodge hit dodge: the game
and a shitty movie
shit taste
>>343991425
It's not particularly moddable. Have you ever even used the CK? It's not that open.
Minecraft, Paradox games, KSP, Arma 2 are all more moddable.
>>343998432
>Dark souls 2
>Best anything
>Life is Strange
>LIFE IS STRANGE
ahahahahahahaah jesus, you can't make this shit up
>>343999018
>you can't make this shit up
Yes you can, very easily.
>>343986829
>>343987305
>>343998743
top fucking kek
>>343983481
>Top 5 of last gen
>>343999018
>dark souls 2
>not best pvp
>>343998432
What about Fable 2? Dishonored? Witcher? Halo 3? Last of Us? Far Cry 2? Super Mario Galaxy? Mass Effect 2? Bioshock? Crysis 2? Gears of War 3?
>>343999323
Nah dude. He likes the games he mentioned, so clearly, they're best games of this generation.
You should've ignored his post as soon as he said Life is Strange, desu.
>>343999323
>>343999018
>>343998816
How are you taking his post seriously?
>>343999018
Prove that Dark Souls 2 ISN'T the most mechanically deep and rewarding souls game
>>343999146
ITT: contrarians
witcher 3 was a great ride and so were both of the expansions. but i played skyrim before w3 and i'm playing it after. unlike w3, skyrim has actual mods (not dinky ass script changes). theres nothing to do once you beat w3. with skyrim there is more overall content and shit tons of mods.
witcher 3 is a fun game, but you'll be playing skyrim long after you beat w3. cdpr dun fucked up by not releasing redkit.
>>343998235
if you say so, i haven't played gears i was referring to a few other FPS games I've played.
gears and halo never caught my interest
>>343999639
Please keep telling us about Witcher 3, I don't think fans of Witcher 3 bring it up at every opportunity often enough.
>>343999687
>gears and halo never caught my interest
Were you even alive in 2006 or 07?
>>343999997
I'm 30 dude, I been playing video games cross platforms since I was like 4.
I played halo like once in multiplayer. It was sort of like time splitters multiplay but not really my bag
>>343986215
>Mass Effect fell apart the moment you make a phone call to Sovereign and the writers fall back on "you couldn't possibly understand us."
no, mass effect fell apart when reapers became galactic gardners. you didnt have to understand why the reapers were reapers, you just needed to know you had to stop them. the whole point of the reapers was that they were incomprehensible. they were like the shark from jaws, no one knew why they did what they did, no one could comprehend it, no one knew where they were, but everyone who knew of them knew the reapers must be stopped
