Was he right, or it was just an excuse?
This game was silly. I wonder who I should join.
>My family and comrades
Or
>Deathcorps
Let's go with the Deathcorps!
>>343939431
Algust probably did have the right idea.
Except he would of turned on you either way and helped bring zodiac stones to people that would of just turned into monsters and fucked up the world incredibly.
>>343939656
Ramza's brothers pretty clearly said fuck alma, he already knew they'd throw him to the wolves with their father gone.
>>343939431
Excuse, of course. He feels he needs to make up for something that his grandfather did, so he's doing everything he can to make his name worth something again.
>>343941836
Because everything more than a charge +5 is impossible to hit
female black mage is undoubtedly the cutest
Zalbag seemed alright. Dycedarg probably would have turned Alma over to the Temple Knights for their nonsense, but Zalbag probably would have valued his half-sister over some prophecy. If they just got rid of Dycedarg it would have worked out.
>b-b-but Teta!
You know what they say about animals.
Did anybody else keep a red chocobo on their team permanently?
>>343942750
>Favorite character?
Agrias
>Favorite male generic?
Monk
>Favorite female generic?
Dancer
>Favorite job skill?
Shadowblade
>>343942750
Male Generic: Ninja with steal skills
Female Generic: Priest with calculate and auto-haste perfume.
>>343942750
Mustadio
Lancer
Oracle
Two hand or whatever it's called from the samurai ability.
>>343943936
>Did you somehow forget the part where he ordered Algus to murder Teta and didn't even think twice about it?
There was nothing wrong with it, she was just a peasant and was taken as hostage, she literally had no value. And it's not even about being edgy, so don't even start. If they decided to save her they could lose hundreds of soldiers lives latter
>>343939431
Just an excuse.
You are not unique.
You are not special.
You are easily replaceable.
>>343942750
Agrias really grew on me. If it wasn't such a bitch to upgrade her speed.
>Favorite male generic
was either Geomancer or Lancer, geomancers were fucking cool + they got an option of axe not that I'd use one because of that fucking
>thunk
>2 damage
>Favorite female
was probably Dancer
>favorite skill
throw stone
Real simple, but it reminds me of my childhood scraps.
plus when I think about it in a video game it's a pretty brutal fight when you got weapons and people are fucking picking up rocks and bashing one another with them.
although that's probably a game mechanic problem not being able to boost magic attack power enough to use it as a reliable secondary skill on a fighter type guy.
>>343944487
The soldier's literal job is to protect the people
>>343945447
A soldier's job is whatever his lord or employer tells him to do.
>>343945447
Pretty sure it isn't
Anyway, why some posts were deleted?
>>343945620
The mod let his wife's son play on the computer while he took a shit maybe
>>343941325
would have*
>>343945447
Chivalry cuck detected
>>343939431
He was right but he was trying to manipulate Ramza into assisting jerks instead of people who really would have benefited.
>>343945614
Not quite. Depends on the Army.
Soldiers should defend others for the most part. Not "kill everything we tell you too!" necessarily.
>>343946174
wouldve
>>343946437
That's modern soldiers, though. Back in older times, your soldiers did whatever you told them so long as you had the respect, authority or power to have them do it. You had to convince them it was right, intimidate them into thinking you wouldn't get away with insubordination, or bribe them with rewards and promotions to assuage their guilt and fear.
>>343946560
would've*
>>343944568
Men live and die by their dreams. But long after they have been abandoned they still smolder deep in men's hearts. Some see nothing more than life and death. They are dead, for they have no dreams.
>>343939431
I really hate how characters become irrelevant from chapter to chapter. Like you get Agrias and she starts showing up during story bits then as soon as the chapter is over she becomes just a generic party member.
>>343939656
His family were bad people and Ramza realised this and left because he is a massive moralfag in a grimdark setting
You can't save these qt White Mages, instead you have to brutally murder them.
>>343946789
woodehv
>>343947153
>a weeb waxes philosophical over war
A dreadfully simple lot, you weebs.
>>343946683
Eh I think tactics covered it pretty well. They really only needed to show respect to people they felt they needed to. Pretty much someone more powerful or had more allies. More of a personality thing if they were a prick all around.
Olden times, defending the weak was the standard of a true warrior as much as it is for modern times.
>>343947153
>WotL script
gross
If you really wanted to, couldn't you just raise a Mediator before the battle and recruit them?
>>343944010
>Shadowblade
>>343947042
>moralfag
>grimdark
I remember a time when plots, settings and themes were just taken at face value rather than being farted through a filter of glib interwebs cynicism.
>>343947453
I don't usually say this but people who defend the original script are actual nostalgiafags
Chapter 1 is MAYBE passable but by the time you get to chapter 3 it is incredibly clear the translators did not give a fuck and every second sentence is hard to understand
>mfw FF12 feels like a true sequel to FFT
>>343947807
Are you new? I shouldn't have to explain that those are general descriptions of character types and used in a very general way, usually suggesting very little about anything except a vague description, no one takes them that seriously.
>>343947952
I don't think you know what sequel means.
>>343947952
It doesn't at all, the setting isn't even remotely similar and the protagonist is a typical modern FF fuccboi
>>343947823
I've got a PSX version and emulate the PSP one out of convenience, the script change is such a minor thing compared to FPS drops. At least you get Dark Knights, but why no Holy Knights? Why so edgy SE?
Ramza Beoulve: Wiegraf! You live?
Wiegraf Folles: I have lived for this, Ramza. How long has it been since we last met?
Ramza Beoulve: Then you were a warrior who fought to make your dream reality. Now you are only a thrall of the Church.
Wiegraf Folles: What troubled sleep have you known, to speak of my dreams? No matter how sweet, a dream left unrealized must fade into day. Only with power can dreams be made real! I see the truth of it now. What good, dreams, without that power? You think me a thrall? So be it! Your envenomed words succour me, for when at last you yield - as you must - their poison will consume you!
Ramza Beolve : I pity you, Wiegraf. Even as a man of broken dreams, you might still have been remembered fondly. Your ideas lifted the people, showed them the cracks in the age-old facade of the aristocracy. You acted on your convictions, and so ennobled those actions! But what would the people think now? What would Milleuda and your fallen friends think of this barter you've struck? Dreams built on borrowed stone are defiled before they are made!
Wiegraf Folles: What have you done that did not rely on the labours of others? From birth you have wanted for nothing! You can not know what it is to live the meager life we do. Reason may trick you to believe you do, but your heart can never know! Harsh is the world in which we live. Harsher still than you can imagine. You have neither right nor reason to pour scorn on me!
Orran Durai: I know not what brings men joy. Of what drives them to great deeds, of what legacies they hope to leave, I know less yet. But I do know this: The true hero of this tale was the man forgotten.
Man, WotL script was such a huge improvement over e a s y m o n e y
>>343947823
The only hard to understand bits are the Germinok Scriptures (actual unmitigated disaster) and a few rare typos (Dycedarg's elder brother). The original script is truer to the JP script and isn't filled with nonsense ye olde engrish.
Also, WotL got rid of spell chants. Fuck that.
>>343947975
I was perfectly clear with what I meant and intended to say. You used stupid, immature buzzwords to diminish the quality of something that was actually very mature, well written and deeply nuanced especially for its time. Your attitude and your approach to all things media makes me sick.
>>343948115
l i t t l e
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why was the poach/secret hunt skill so fucking cool but i never really used it?
I actually liked this guy
Why japs always try to pull church is evil plot into every game
>>343948115
WotL script smacked of tryhard linguists fresh out of college. It was terrible and every single person had the exact same tone. They forgot to give different characters different personalities.
>>343948195
>Americans think that is "olde English"
Kek
I knew your educational system was fucked, but I never got to see it first hand until now
>original JP script
The original JP script is some of the blandest shit you will ever read. The localizers did this game a favor.
>>343947173
Whatev
>it's another "nostalgiafags think the wotl script isn't superior" episode
>>343948707
Apparently you didn't read 'nonsense' ye olde english.
>The localizers did this game a favor.
Maybe they should have made their own game since they're so much better at storytelling.
>>343948406
>why was the poach/secret hunt skill so fucking cool but i never really used it?
There were a shit-ton of unique items from poaching, though.
It was the only source of multiple perfumes for female characters, it was the source of the statistically best light-armor in the entire game. It was a source of infinite defender knight swords. Among many other things.
There was a ton of good shit to be had from poaching.
>>343948107
This is true but you can easily get a modded iso that fixes the framedrops, assuming you have a hacked PSP, which you really should
>>343947153
with a mediator you can i think
>>343948982
Defenders aren't that good though
>>343947952
FFXII is a prequel you dumbo
FFXII ----> FFTA2/FFTA ----> FFT ----> Vagrant story ----> FFTA real world
>>343949261
No, but you have to remember the game really only hands over two knight swords otherwise: An Excalibur with Orlandu, and a Save the Queen with Meliadoul.
The rest you have to find with Move/Find item in the Deep Dungeon (and even then, you're not 100% assured to find them) or catch them from the Ninjas in the "HORROR" level of the Deep Dungeon.
Defenders are better than any of the other common store-bought swords, though.
>>343948115
wee graph?
why graph?
view graph?
bye graph?
>>343948310
I'm sorry but I really think you're on the wrong website if that's all it takes to set you off
>>343947823
Meh, the tone of the original is charming and immersive in a "this is a complex person who is trying hard to communicate through a barrier so at least he must be sincere" kind of way that a foreigner kind of way.
WotL is like a wacky clown popping out and saying "WE'RE HAVING FUN HERE! THIS IS A GAME WE'RE DOING SHAKESPEARE! GUYS, RHYMING COUPLET, AMIRITE!?" every third line.
>check my records
>apparently I let one of my guys die
I really don't recall this happening. Is there a story thing where a party member has to die?
Whats going on in this thread?
>>343949540Vee igrav
>>343949834
Anyone who even remotely compares this game to Shakespeare is a mouth breather, and it's almost as if they're intentionally trying to make people disregard their shit opinion
>>343949976
thats literally, LITERALLY, LITERAL FUCKING LY FFTA
>>343947789
the sound effects are too fucking good.
>>343950031
I'd give Agrias the milk of human kindness if you know what I mean ;)
>>343950031
The whole WotL translation is affectedly Shakespearean, drop out. Return and get thy GED.
War of the Lions:
Argath: You, no less human than we? Ha! Now there's a beastly thought. You've
been less than we from the moment your baseborn father fell upon your mother in
whatever gutter saw you sired! You've been chattel since you came into the
world drenched in common blood!
Milleuda: By whose decree!? Who decides such foul and absurd things?
Argath: 'Tis heaven's will!
Milleuda: Heaven's will? You would pin your bigotry on the gods? No god would
fain forgive such sin, much less embrace it! All men are equal in the eyes of
the gods!
Argath: Men, yes. But the gods have no eyes for chattel.
Milleuda: You speak of devils, not gods!
Delita: Ramza, is this woman truly our enemy?
PS1:
Algus: Human? Hmph, ridiculous! From the minute you were born
you had to obey us! From the second you were born you were our
animals!!
Miluda: Says who!? That's nonsense! Who decided all this?!
Algus: It's the Will of Heaven!
Miluda: Heaven? God would never say such things! In his eyes,
all are equal! He'd never let this happen! Never!
Algus: Animals have no God!!
Miluda: !!!!
Delita: Ramza, Is she really our enemy....?
アルガス
「同じ人間だと? フン、汚らわしいッ!
「生まれた瞬間からおまえたちはオレたち貴族に尽くさねばならない!
「生まれた瞬間からおまえたちはオレたち貴族の家畜なんだッ!!
ミルウーダ
「誰が決めたッ!? そんな理不尽なこと、誰が決めたッ!
アルガス
「それは天の意志だ!
ミルウーダ
「天の意志? 神がそのようなことを宣うものか!
「神の前では何人たりとも平等のはず! 神はそのようなことをお許しにはならない! なるはずがないッ!
アルガス
「家畜に神はいないッ!!
ミルウーダ
「!!!!
ディリータ
「ラムザ、 彼女は本当に僕らの敵なのか…?
>>343950410
Ranking:
Japanese > wotl > original
>>343950410
>>343950650
Man, shit opinion. I thought this was a very clear example of why the PS1 translation is superior.
No accounting for taste, I guess.
>>343950650
I legitimately think the Japanese is worse too, bland as fuck
>>343950650
Your ranking makes no sense.
>>343950743
>the more literal the translation, the better!
I find it hard to believe you actually understand Japanese if that's what you think.
>>343949976
*screeeech*
ARCHERS ARE OP!!!!!!
man this game had so much potential
>>343950743
You're free to like WotL's script better if you like, but one of the things >>343950410 is showing is that it's full of made-up lines they added in.
In b4
>It's just localization brah
>It's just adding flavor brah
>I'll bet you like the honorifics in Persona, lol senpai baka desu-san
>>343950997
The problem isn't actually Archers/Ninjas
It's that map designs are generally REALLY stacked against the player, with you always starting at low ground and assuming you're not cheesing the game with the OP classes, you're almost always at a disadvantage if you try to properly fight the enemy, which encourages you to save your special moves to 1 or 2 shot the enemy leader to quickly end the map
The chaos frame system encourages this as well
I think it's kind of intentional based on how the maps are made but it's still a pretty shitty and brainless way to play
>>343950880
I don't understand the Japanese, but I think naked, forceful expression is much better than putting on cheap rice and rouge just because. The translator got wayyy to excited.
Just saying things as simply as possible is pretty damned tough to beat and follows a lot of conventional wisdom about writing anyway.
>don't use a dollar word when a 10 cent one will do
>simplicity is beauty
etc
>>343948657
Are you implying thats not true?
>>343950997
Literally no tactics game I can think of doesn't have atrocious class balance, but no one is making you make your entire team archers anyway
>>343951227
i king of see your argument but there are winged units
oh yeah the leveling system is also retarded
>>343951356
One of the few lines that I think was better in the PS1 translation is "Animals have no god!"
It fit with the tone of the remake's script and sounded more forcefull, don't know why it wa changed.
>>343951227
Archers really stop being a brute force way to get through the game around late Chapter III, then you need to start leveling up those casters cause multi-target spells become real useful
>>343948657
They went one step further in the original game. There was some manuscript in the game that you could could actually read if you wanted to. It basically painted Jesus Christ as a charlatan.
>>343951356
Right I love it when my Medieval inspired games all talk in modern accents. Fuck immersion.
>>343952005
WotL just went too far and into xD territory.
>>343949193
this
mediator's can invite animals
are there games like fft, with character creator and choices?
>>343952774
Yes
>>343953112
Thanks
>>343953112
>>343946437
>Soldiers should defend others for the most part
>>343946683
>That's modern soldiers, though
Let me guess: both usafags?>>343945614
>A soldier's job is whatever his lord or employer tells him to do.
>Blame yourself or God
What did Delita mean by this?
>>343950031
No one is saying the quality approaches Shakespeare, you autist. They're saying it's a shitty attempt at stylistically imitating Shakespeare/Early Modern English (which doesn't even fit Tactics' pseudo-medieval setting).
>>343953346
That you're god
Is my waifu ready to wreck people?
>>343946889
Well, he died. And I loved murdering his faggot ass again in WotL.
Fuck his dreams and yours too.
>>343947952
No it doesn't. It doesn't even feel like a successor to FFTA, and that's the game whose actual version of Ivalice it's closer to using.
>>343953297
>>343946683 (You)
>That's modern soldiers, though
Let me guess: both usafags?>>343945614 (You)
>A soldier's job is whatever his lord or employer tells him to do.
Both of these are me. I know not every soldier has upstanding morals, but as education and moral standards became more widespread, soldiers became less likely to engage in unsavoury behaviour, or to follow more evil orders blindly. Not that they stopped doing it, but it's not as bad as it used to be.
>>343953539
I know, dipshit. Anyone who thinks this is trying to sound like Shakespeare hasn't ever read Shakespeare and understood what they were reading. Where's the stanzas in wotl? The imagery? The poetry? The tight structure?
Oh, wait, a character said 'tis, it's clearing trying to be like Shakespeare.
>>343947823
Original script fails after chapter 1. WOTL is tryhard-tier and has dumb changes like the Gods instead of God and old-timey language they occasionally used. Also the cutscenes are unneeded.
BEEP BEEP, SUPERIOR STRATEGY RPG COMING THROUGH
>>343948672
Most linguists are more enamored with lower language. Conservatives and grammarians are fewer and fewer and the former group is basically despised.
>>343954010
Amigo, this screenshot >>343947153 literally shows a rhyming couplet
>>343954283
>one couplet is proof
Gotta try harder than that, kid. Shakespeare's work also had a lot more going for it than couplets.
>>343954546
>being this desperate for internet points
Well if you get right down to it the Death Corps are terrorist so Algus wasn't wrong. As for Tetra he didn't know the girl was Delita's sister.
>>343950410
The older localization is more direct. and that scene is pretty well localized. However, there are plenty of awful spots.
Also, while the older translation is more direct, it doesn't really capture that the japanese is rather dramatic in its choice of words.
>>343954239
If you can't recruit and name generic soldiers itsfine but I don't like it
I think LUCT PSP did a better job with script, not modern but a little more rough, less whimsical.
>>343954239
You could post ogre
How it was even possible to fuck up so badly?
>>343947975
simple descriptions for simple people. If you think FFT is "grimdark", and think it compares to other "grimdark" settings then you're too far gone already.
>>343947823
The only reason you like the new script is because you're a privileged sexist racist
>>343946683
>That's modern soldiers, though.
there was this faggot a few days ago talking about combat weight loads and how much tougher soldiers used to be, are you him? I doubt it, because of the traffic on this website, but I hope so because I hope everyone isn't this retarded.
Why are you so retarded, why don't you read anything, why do you think mutiny is a new thing? Your attitude shows you've never worked hard in your life, and I'm guessing your dad who was in the military fucking hates you.
>>343956189
Nigga, chill.
>>343945614
>>343953979
We're all failible little balls of emotions. We're just a wee bit more moral in modern times than we used to be.
>>343956578
>failible
>>343948115
All the original script needed was a clean-up, something like this:
>You don't know how difficult it is to fulfill an ideal. No matter how great, an ideal unfulfilled is nothing but a dream. How do you fulfill it? You need power! That's the way of the world! It's clear to me now. You say I'm a dog of the church? Go on! I don't care! Despise me. But in the end, you'll all submit!
I think that's better than the amateurish flowery trash the WofTL's translator came up with:
>What troubled sleep have you known, to speak of my dreams? No matter how sweet, a dream left unrealized must fade into day. Only with power can dreams be made real! I see the truth of it now. What good, dreams, without that power? You think me a thrall? So be it! Your envenomed words succour me, for when at last you yield - as you must - their poison will consume you!
Explain to me how Tactics, 12 and Vagrant Story are related.
>>343954867
>If you can't recruit and name generic soldiers its fine but I don't like it
what's the appeal of this?
why is permadeath always a thing in srpgs?
>>343956749
Holy shit, you English fucks actually based the word that means "to be able to fail" on the word fall? How does that make sense?
>>343956803
I'm glad you're not a writer because your version sucks.
>>343956964
If you think about it real hard I'm sure you can see the super obvious metaphor, Sven
>>343953748
How did you even get all those skills at level 7?
>>343956930
I like to personalize my soldiers, being able to name them is one step, building them from nothing into unstoppable force, I just don't get that connection with some static character that's always the same every playthrough. It doesn't hurt anything to have it, like if that was an option along side having static characters in Valkyria Chronicles it would just make VC better.
>>343957209
I'd say that basing a language on clever puns is a terrible idea, but I absolutely love it. You should do it more often, John.
>>343956964
You work that one out, sport? Good.
>>343950410
Wotl script reminds me of a that Blood whistle shittypasta, as the writer put in way too much prose.
>>343957239
Probably using some job point hack.
>>343954867
>tfw water dragons
>>343957079
It's just the original version cleaned up. The original script is simple and straightforward, but it works. If you're impressed by the WoftL version, you should be embarassed.
>>343952648
Oh you
>>343948115
>You think me a thrall? So be it! Your envenomed words succour me
>succour
Is this the most abused ye olde english word ever? I've had enough of it in FFXIV
>>343959549
I don't know why nor when Brits decided to adopt that French style of destroying normal words by putting a U into them for no reason.. but I never saw that cancer infecting the 'succor' before. It's like someone went out of their way to be a fancy pants.
>>343956914
The A.J. Durai quoted in Vagrant Story's intro is Arazlam J.D., Olan's descendant and the scholar who chronicles the "Brave Story" in FFT
item descriptions namedrop Agrias, Orlandu, Beowulf and others as heroes of the "Zodiac Brave Story"
Delita Heiral is also referenced, though at this point in history he is known as "Heiralis the Brave"
FF12 namedrops Valendia, Snowflies, uses "Lea Monde" as a name for a dark elemental. I think the kildean religion is mentioned as well.
>>343945447
You have never been in the real military I see.
>Buy a bunch of Einharjars soon as I get the shop in Fates.
>Only take Orochi/Niles out to capture certain units.
Running a generic army was a lot funner than I expected.
>>343939431
he's the biggest fag ever.
if not for him the events of that would would not have sucked nearly as much dick as it did.
Weigraf did nothing wrong.
Algus is shit
Delita is a faggot.
There i resumed the thread for you.
So we agree?
New script > old script
Bought this for ps1 but never played more the 5 minutes, the camera angles annoyed me.
Would you recommend it for someone with no real experience with trpgs? I tried fire emblem awakening but got sick of it half way through and realized I had no motivation to continue.
>>343957640
>Octopi that throw meteorites
Pretty sure its rocks but it hits like a fucking meteor
>>343962637
>3 octopi cast acid rain at the same time
>charmed ones never ever use it
>>343963029
Its just like tentacle rape but outside of my Japanese animes
