>spend all your money on new weapons and armor
>next dungeon has heaps of common loot that's way better
Fucking Dragon Quest...
>buying anything on rpg other than potion
>spend an hour+ trying to steal something from a boss
>it's available in the next town's shop or lootable from the next dungeon
>>343886265
>buying anything
>>343886085
>buying weapons and armor
>at all
>>343886085
>hold out with your current gear
>should have upgraded, you only made the game difficult for zero gain
>>343886265
>Next dungeon has trash enemies drop potion+
>>343886273
>enemies have stuff you can only steal. one chance in the entire game
>steal success rate is lower than your common korean MMO item drop rate
>>343886085
>only have enough money to kit out one party member
>enemies drop fuck all money, items have crap all resale value
>kit out main guy because fuck it, he's not gonna leave the party
>gets a plot weapon in the next dungeon that's better than what you spent 2/3rds your money on
>and as mentioned, items have fuck all resale value
>>343886085
So....MMO's in a nutshell? I still hold that phantasy star online got it right early, MMO progression systems are fucking dumb.
>Grind bosses for items to craft new gear
>Better set using many of the materials you just used available next level
>>343886085
Anon, you should know as well as anybody that the innate power of equipment is directly proportional to how long its been lying unused on the floor if a dungeon.
>>343886085
>asian mmorpg
>kill miniboss in area
>get ultra rare drop
>can't use it for 2 levels
>finally reach level
>that levels rare gear is better than it
>>343886085
Name 5 games that does this
>All gear available from the start
>Prices increase exponentially the better the gear is
>Money dropped from mobs increases exponentially the stronger the mob is
It's such a simple way to get around this crap, but so few games do it
>>343887224
dragon quest 1-5
>>343887443
>cheese endgame mob
>buy best gear
>break the game
great system you have there
>>343887857
>Beat incredibly strong enemy
>Rewarded
>This is somehow a problem
You can get the Dragon Greatsword in Dark Souls without killing a single enemy aside from the Asylum Demon and nobody's complaining about that.
>>343888119
>dragon greatsword
>good
>>343888245
>390 physical damage unupgraded
>Only requires 20 level-ups to wield as a Bandit
>Bad
>>343888119
the problem is that is fucks any kind of progression
>>343888490
>no scaling
>expensive as fuck to upgrade
it's ok for the burg and depths, but after that you throw it away
>>343889395
fuck me, dragon greatsword not drakesword
>you get amazing weapon/armour just before the game ends
>>343889474
>no post-game content or NG+
>>343889395
You're drastically underestimating how much 390 damage is.
>>343889310
I disagree, you can still upgrade it, which takes almost the entire game if you don't want to grind Drakes. You also still need to upgrade your stats, so you're still improving your character.
>>343889474
fucking holy robe in ff9 or even better, the ability to draw the apocalypse spell from ff8's last boss. they both really made me think there's more after or NG+. fuck you square
>>343889472
I was wondering what you were talking about.
Yeah, Drakesword is a crutch til you beat the Gargoyles, then it becomes trash.
>>343889593
>You're drastically underestimating how much 390 damage is.
i don't. i've read drake sword
rest of your post is true tough, dark souls kinda solved that elegantly. but how do you to this in games that aren't as open?
>two directions in corridor
>one has loot
>other triggers a cutscene and forces you to leave the area
>>343889770
always seen this posted. never played a game that does this.
>>343889770
>fork in the road
>Take on path, instant suprise boss fight.
>Die, lose a few hours of progress
>Make it back to fork, take other path
>Save point.
>>343886810
This game and D2 are literally the bible of dungeon crawlers and games STILL manage to get loot wrong.
Fuck this shit.
Good weapons,better weapons,strong weapons,weapons with utility,ect like how the fuck to games still get this wrong? Even pso's sequel fucked it up.
>get really low on health, and use a healing item to prepare for the next room
>next room is a healing area
>>343889735
I'm pretty sure the upgrade system could be easily used in most RPGs. Have multiple upgrade tiers and only get the materials for the higher tiers in the later parts of the game.
>>343889619
>holy robe
there is no holy robe, however light robe, robe of lords, and white robe can all be obtained easily in early disc 3 if you bother with chocobo stuff.robe of lords can be obtained in disc one if you want to grind 10k hot and cold points (per robe).
>>343886352
>playing game where you need to buy anything
>>343889474
>lightning returns ultima weapon
>lol cant use it in ng+ fuck you
>SP games with clearly broken economy or other mechanics.
God I hate this shit.
>It's a SP game whooooo cares about balance!
And I hate this shit even more.
>>343889474
Thanks, .hack//G.U.
>>343890961
>space game where you can do trade runs
>start out in dinky ass ship
>2 hours later you buy the end-game carrier that's available at the starting station/planet
>steamroll through everything
>>343888119
>Drake sword
Nigga hold my drink while I laugh
That's an example of struggling to kill a tough fucjer and getting literal shit for it
>>343890729
i didn't play it in english. the robe that supposedly gave you sanctus. and no, i didn't bother with the chocobo stuff
>>343891598
>buying a few arrows
>struggling
>>343891721
>sanctus
no such spell in the english version. I'm assuming you're talking about the AOE damage spell in white magic, that's the white robe.
>>343891967
that one. yeah white robes. the one you can steal from kuja
>>343890124
>don't want to waste healing/revive items because i might need it more later on
>always go back to the closest town when i'm low
>end up never using them
>>343889826
I think FFX does it, although I'm not sure.
>>343886085
>healing potions cannot be brought and must be found
>>343891598
DRAGON
GREATSWORD
>>343888119
and that weapon is fucking shit. Went are you using that as justification for your shitty loot system?
>>343890978
>Not cheesing doppelganger with the animal that halces enemy hp, repeately engaging and exiting the fight
>when the effect wears off, use your morale attack.
>>343889474
>you get the final and strongest weapon in the game
>there's nothing to use it on since you had to take down all or most of the optional dungeons/bosses just to get that weapon
>>343892916
How many of you fuckers are gonna confuse the Dragon Greatsword for the Drakesword?
>>343889474
Assassin's Creed 2 and Brotherhood did it best where the best armor in the game was a side quest that you unlocked perhaps a third or half way through the game.
>>343891725
OK cheezus
I was talking about dragon weapons in general
>>343886085
Xenoblade Chronicles.
Fun thing is I dont give a damn because you never run out of money and most of the time you dont even wear a full set of armor.
>>343890821
>Playing games
