What went so right?
>>343868419
I've found the community to be really friendly so that helped me into staying.
Nothing. Its one of the worst mmos on the market.
It managed to stay alive with a sizable playerbase, which I guess is the best accomplishment an MMO can achieve these days
>>343868419
Haven't subbed since savage alex. Any reason to come back? Seriously, i've considered it.
>>343868983
endless dungeon in the next update
Not sure how this shit works
I enjoyed it, but there's a couple of things I really wish they did differently.
I wish there was more incentive to talk to people. I also wish HW wasn't just a reskin of ARR.
>>343868806
Explain.
>>343869329
I'll look into it. Thanks
>>343868419
Nothing, that game is crazy boring.
Been playing since 1.0, run an FC that does patch centric endgame, master crafter gatherer, and a class for each archetype, ask me anything.
The game is mediocre and is a sour slap in the face for multiple reasons, but its the best thing on the market currently because of how things degraded.
pic related for filthy shame based proof
>>343870493
>Been playing since 1.0
What a shiteater
>>343870493
>The game is mediocre and is a sour slap in the face for multiple reasons, but its the best thing on the market currently because of how things degraded.
I've resubbed to XIV more than I'd like to admit for this exact reason.
>>343870915
In the end it comes down to MMO's being a social game, none of the achievements or grinds are worth a damn unless your sharing them with like minded individuals. For all its flaws, this is where the people I care about are and because of that im sticking to it. I'd move if something objectively better came along, and wait for people to follow suit, but nothing simply has.
No true sandbox games have come out in recent years that were anything but repackaged failure korean games that new devs looking to milk sunk their claws into before shredding the games apart. Nothing but theme parks and chat emulators time and time again.
The issue is simply that MMO's were created for a different generation, with different incentives and interests. We are no longer a realistic demographic, people who want aw world to explore and be a part of, the best we can hope for is group cooperative challenges you can overcome for a sense of community. Worlds are replaced by raidfinders and hubs.
And for the record, pvp is almost never worthwhile, in ANY MMO, barring vanilla WoW and the short lived Warhammer game.
>>343868419
Everything 2.3+ until it fell horribly flat on it's face with HW.
Fuck, ARR was magical in it's prime, then the expansion got shilled so hard it brought a wave of wowfugees over that the community hasn't been able to recover from even though the playerbase has gone on a mass exodus since 3.0
>>343868419
Nothing? It's like the epitome of a modern dumbed down themepark MMO.
>>343871359
>The issue is simply that MMO's were created for a different generation, with different incentives and interests. We are no longer a realistic demographic, people who want aw world to explore and be a part of, the best we can hope for is group cooperative challenges you can overcome for a sense of community. Worlds are replaced by raidfinders and hubs.
Lol, 90% of players would gladly agree on the auto grouping in the SW Galaxies back then
Different generation, my ass
Why people who obviously don't know shit about mmo genre always try to spread their worthless opinions? Even worse when they came with ways to "fix" genre without even understanding fundamental problems of modern mmo. This is why we have people who think that "pristine" servers in wow are good idea
>>343872060
Nostalgia creeping over your eyes hard friend, 2.0 Was incredibly shit.
>>343872060
2.3+ was around the time they started introducing some of the more interesting mechanics to the game.
It felt like maybe Yoshi was following through on his promise to appeal to the old school crowd once XIV had an established playerbase.
Then HW happened and I got cucked.
>>343869709
Not him, but it falls short in a lot of areas for a modern MMO.
Don't get me wrong, if we are going to compare this shit to WoW and other tab target MMOs, then it wins hand down.
Problem is, it could do so much more with the current tech at hand. The customization for characters is incredibly limiting, and the combat is dated garbage.
>>343868419
Its a good looking run-of-the-mill MMO with the FF coat of paint slapped onto it. Works for me (but definitely could be better).
I just started and to be honest BDO is more engaging. XIV is a disgrace to XI. It is just another themepark.
>>343868419
Less than 200k players and decreasing....
Look at this empty overworld devoid of life... How can you claim anything went right?
>>343868419
Glad I quit back in November.
Having come from XI, this game is a giant slap in the face.
If it weren't for friends, I probably wouldn't have even bothered playing for as long as I did.
>>343872357
>>343872060
2.0+ SEEMED good because they were implementing things that were supposed to be ready for launch. They were able to push out quality content each patch because it was mostly done. Then the expansion came out and they did a collective "Oh shit, now what?" and exposed themselves as hacks.
>>343872692
>started f2p game
>implying XI wasn't generic themepark
Are you retarded or something?
I really want a different MMO to play, 'FFXIV but much better', unfortunately it doesn't exist right now.
>>343873218
Are you implying XI was anywhere near as much of a themepark as XIV?
>>343873564
Well, yes
There themepark and sandbox mmo, no middle ground
But if you want to talk about themepark levels:
Everquest: you visited themepark by yourself and looking on the many interesting things
XI: you visited themepark by yourself, but it's just a poor made copy of everquest themepark, there nothing to do except screaming on the gooks using auto translator
WoW; Someone holds your hand but there many interesting things to do
XIV: good copy of wow themepark
>>343872864
>Having come from XI
Opinion discarded
I think you need to try TESO, it's like XI a very poorly made clone of popular mmo
>>343873929
Bait or just a really shitty opinion. The world may never know.
>>343872732
>my face when i actually enjoy the void, empty world of other players
Everyone on my servers jerks it around the marketboard 24/7. I rarely see anyone out in the world, but I actually don't mind it like that.
>>343874191
No arguments?
As expected from the XI shit eater
I bet you actually think that it was sandbox or something, lol
>>343873218
Is a theme park not where the game holds your hand and guides you past the content like one is on a ride? FFXI was really about going out into the world on your own and finding out what was on offer.
>>343874191
It's probably both
>>343874386
Oh boy, XIshitters don't even know that "theme park" means, but still using this word
>>343874521
Was just asking, but perhaps you would care to define it? I did like XI better then XIV but I also got 3 jobs to 60 in XIV so its not like I hated it just didn't hold me as long.
>>343874746
Sandbox=your own adventure and content is usually player generated(SWG, ultima, darkfall)
Themepark=here is content, go look at it(EQ, WoW)
Things like "FFXI was really about going out into the world on your own and finding out what was on offer" you can say about literally any mmo, even WoW
> I did like XI better then XIV
Only because your taste is bad, there was nothing good about this game
>>343872692
>XI
I'll concede to the community aspect of FFXI, but that game was such a massive time sink to get anything done. Fuck that shit.
>>343873929
>>343874298
>Hating on XI because you can't stop sucking EQs dick
I can honestly say that EQ, AC, DAoC, and XI have been the only MMOs I ever found remotely enjoyable. While they all borrowed from previous entries in the genre, none came near the level of copy-paste and watering down that is WoW and its ilk.
Flash in the pan. Was at the right place at the right time (WoW getting worse and worse) on top of the fact that Final Fantasy is a marketable IP with an already semi successful MMO under its belt. I'm surprised the shitty initial 2010 release didn't take too much steam out of its momentum.
>>343872732
>pan way the fuck out with the camera
>Look at this empty overworld devoid of life
2/10 for making me reply
>>343875220
>XI
>Literally copypasted EQ with less everything and both more casual and tedious at the same time
Wow, XIkid even brings others mmo because he wants to pretend that his opinion worth shit
But nope, DAoC, EQ and anarchy online(never touched Acheron call) were mostly original
XI was literally copypasted garbage from the successful mmo, and they couldn't even do that right, unlike WoW and XIV
>>343875226
>I'm surprised the shitty initial 2010 release didn't take too much steam out of its momentum.
It did, they just earned a lot of goodwill through correct PR.
>>343872418
>The customization for characters is incredibly limiting
>no breast, butt and muscle sliders
JUST
>tanks/healers in full 240 gear roll need during roulette
>>343875718
>muh desynths
>muh seals for grade 6 matter / ventures
>muh glamor
How many other quests rely on weather? Fuck Fishing in the Rain.
>>343875568
This. Until 2.0 it was almost unheard of for a developer to actually apologize for a shitty game. It showed a lot of humility, something western devs need to learn with the recycled sjw garbage they generate nowadays.
>>343875718
Fuck off I need seals.
>>343875445
I'm not saying XI was the epitome of MMOs, just that it is infinitely better than XIV in terms of design and enjoyability. If you honestly prefer XIV to XI, then you are either retarded or baiting, possibly both.
>>343876036
t. nostalgia-filled fanboy
Tell me about the shitters, /v/. Why do they wear the crown?
>>343876036
Any sane person would prefer literally any other not f2p mmo to the XI
This is how bad it was
>>343876106
Nobody cared who they were until they put on the crown.
>>343876086
>>343876117
Enjoy your WoW faggotry then. Sorry your game sucks and that you have to shit on better ones to make yourselves feel better.
>>343876250
Oh the ironing
>>343876250
See you in the next thread.
>>343876197
If I take their crown off, will they die?
>>343876250
>Sorry your game sucks and that you have to shit on better ones to make yourselves feel better
Lol, see you in the next XIV thread
>>343875709
There are breast and muscle sliders. Though I think only roegadyn and hyurs get muscle. The creator is limited regardless.
>>343876836
I'm surprised suncats don't get a muscle slider.
Hyur's do, and they and Elezen (I think) share chest meshes.
>>343876836
>There are breast and muscle sliders.
The breast slider may as well not exist for how shit it is.
>Though I think only roegadyn and hyurs get muscle.
Exactly. That's fucking retarded.
>>343876946
>The breast slider may as well not exist for how shit it is.
Lalashitter detected
>>343876347
It would be extremely painful.
>>343876946
Wasn't saying they're good, just that they do exist.
>>343868419
Nothing really. It's an incredibly mediocre MMO in all aspects. Boring rotations, boring classes, horribly dragged down in all ways by having to run on a fucking console
So if there was a Lalafell the size of a Roe, would they be stronger than them?
>>343877498
You're a big Roe
>>343877681
SCH is pretty fun if you came in thinking of them like a hybrid, but everyone else is pretty boring.
>lvl 60 NIN gameplay
>>343868419
The game is still at one of its worse points right now.
As long as there is a normal version of the raid nothing will ever change my mind on this. What is the point in doing weekly void arks and grinding out your weekly allotment of lore tokens if you aren't raiding? And what is the point in raiding if you've already canonically defeated it in normal mode? I know they're at a bit of an impasse in regards to getting casuals to step up and clear the harder fights like Coil, and so they can't have that heavily referenced in the main story. We'll probably get something along the lines of a nod and a knowing smile from Alisae next patch for people who have cleared it; and this sucks.
Also doesn't help that the current raid's story is cheese. It's fucking cheese people. Cheese! How do you go from fighting the embodiment of a race's eternal anguish to CHEESE!?
Anyway -
FUCK DAILY CRAFTING QUESTS THAT ARE MANDATORY FOR ALL CRAFTERS FOR THE REST OF THE ENTIRE FUCKING EXPANSION
FUCK WEEKLY LOCKOUTS AS LONG AS THE RAID HAS A NORMAL MODEand fuck all you complacent assholes who never raided in the first place - why do you even do any of this shit? Why bother grinding out the best ilv you can get if you aren't doing anything with it? In the developer's endeavor to keep you all on the same level with the raid story they have completely fucked up the progression of the game.
>>343878919
Cheese is gobbie birthright
>>343878919Because it's fun
>>343878919
Why bother raiding savage if you aren't doing anything more with the gear you get there?
It's a treadmill progression game, anon. All the rewards are ultimately meaningless.
>>343868419
It's a generic MMO but not insultingly bad.
That is literally it. All it managed to do correctly was avoid being really bad like most MMOs. It's still not good though.
>>343879215
I'm not raiding savage because find the fights boring. I'm not fighting the enslaved, gender-bent soul of Nael, I'm fighting a gobbie ontop of a spider-bot that has a cat that runs around the room and buffs it by meowing love-hearts at it.
I won't be fighting the enslaved soul of Louisoux - I'll be fighting some random big giant robot to 80's big robot anime music (complete with kids cheering as it enters the chorus.
And I don't know what I'll be fighting for the very last encounter. As far as I'm concerned it could be a running battle across the entirety of the Hinterlands in a desperate attempt to save Idle-shire and I still wouldn't care because it would have nothing on fighting the imprisoned embodiment of a dragon civilization's anguish.
Also they likely won't put any big CGI cutscene in there for the finale. And even if they do I'll see it on the very first day of the patch when I do the normal mode anyway so heyyyy fuck you.
>>343879821
Sounds to me like ur a little bitch who will never be happy then.
>>343879821
>gender-bent soul of Nael
I thought that was supposed to be a Samus Aran moment, but the translators had fucked up earlier in 1.0 and had to bullshit, yes?
>>343880231
That's what it seemed like for a while but no.
I don't think even the writers care.
>playing a weeb mmo with a 2.5 gcd
>>343880506
t.blizzard
>>343879821
hahahaha
>BAAAWWW IT'S NOT SERIOUS BUSINESS STORY
god fuck off
Coil's story was garbage
>>343880536
(You)
If only the combat wasnt so shit I would probably still play it even though there hardly being anything to do apart from rerunning boring ass dungeons. Really cant stand this tab targeting bullshit anymore though.
>>343868419
Shit game Heavensward is Warlords of Draenor
Literally WoD!!!
>>343879102
DUDE
CHEESE
LMAO
I won't be surprised if that's all they end wanting the power of Alexander for
>>343881114
I don't know, it seems like Quickthinx has his priorities mostly straight this time around.
>>343880812
That's your reply? You are pathetic. The story is generic trash, everything involving the Allagans is garbage ancient advanced civilization shit we've seen a zillion times before.
The only time the story in XIV wasn't shit, was when you were traveling with Ysayle, Estinien and Alphinaud.
>>343881114
Because ruling the world is so much better?
>>343880231
That's correct, though whether they "fucked up" or just made that decision who knows.
>>343881871
>That's your reply? You are pathetic
Wow don't cut yourself on that edge.
Does Ninja have a reliance on positionals and a GL equivalent?
>>343882135
You put as much thought into your butthurt replies as Square Enix does into the story-lines in XIV
>>343882205
It has two positionals, one rear and one flank. The rest of their abilities are free. They do have a GL equivalent, but it's much easier to keep up because it doesn't need to be stacked, it lasts 70 seconds, you don't need to attack anything to put it up, and they have a weaponskill that refills its duration.
>>343882336
Thank god.
When do Dragoon get positionals? I'm up to level 40 and don't have any. Nice change of pace from monk to be able to just stay in one spot and push your buttons
>>343872060
>tfw managed to get Kirin a while back
I'm wondering what they'll give you for bothering to get all the fucking chickens
So, my graphics card crapped out and I got an MSI GTX 1070 Gaming. Putting the game on 1680x1050 max i get around 150 FPS on dungeons, but it dips to 70 on limsa and void ark. Considering this is a card that should be able to do 2k60 maxed, doesn't this seem low? Any other anons with a 1070 that can share their framerates?
>>343882468
Nothing
>>343882432
Heavy thrust (flank) comes as early as level 12 and should be up 100% of the time.
Chaos Thrust (back) comes at level 50.
Their primary positionals will be at level 60, which are technically the same exact move but done at flank or rear. Which one you need to use is procced randomly.
>>343882643
>randomly.
IS there a melee class without flank/back/rear rotations?
>>343882947
No.
>>343882947
DRK
WAR
PLD
>>343882336
Oh, they also have an oGCD cooldown with a rear positional that's important to hit because it applies a damage taken debuff on the target.
>>343882947
pld, war, drk
>>343882808
Well, it is. Full Thrust and Chaos thrust will both proc either "Sharper Fang and Claw" which is to use Fang and Claw (Flank) or "Enhanced Wheeling Thrust" to use Wheeling Thrust (Rear).
In previews Full Thrust would always proc Sharper Fang and Claw and Chaos Thrust, Enhanced Wheeling Thrust (this might be swapped around, I don't remember). Either way, it wasn't random. Either way, Fang and Claw and Wheeling Thrust are LITERALLY the same moves minus positionals. They both do 200, 290 with positionals, and refreshes Blood of the Dragon by 15 seconds. There's no other differences.
Healer positionals when?
>>343882432
>I'm up to level 40 and don't have any.
Yes you do, you're just retarded
>>343882947
DPS? No. Ninja has the least amount of them but they're more involved with juggling their Mudras around. Dragoon has a few more that aren't a big deal. Monk is your major positional based job.
Ninja used to have no positionals besides Sneak/Trick Attack. Trick attack is what you use in battle anyways and hits from behind.
>>343883173
>one where you never have to move
My biggest problem with XIV, and where it completely falls apart for me, is just how incredibly shallow the 'RPG' elements are
>There's no sense of character building/customization. The way stats work in tandem with how one dimensional classes are means there's literally no reason not to dump every stat point you're given into whatever your class' primary damage stat is. There's no way to alter how your class plays in the least
>Gear progression is completely linear. ilvl dumbs the whole system down into simple stat scaling, and the secondary stats are so minor and simple that there's no reason to not just have whatever the highest ilvl piece is (Aside from very minor points like reaching a certain SS to get in additional GCDs). No interesting things like procs, traits, damage types etc. Makes collecting new gear lack impact because it's mechanically identical to whatever you had before
>Damage types are class universal. All of PLD's attacks do slashing damage, even shield bash. All of MNK's attacks do blunt damage, even when the weapon they're using is a giant set of claws. And it doesn't even matter because all enemies have equal resistance to all damage types. It's only there to give classes debuff utility (Very boring debuff utility)
>Same with magic/elemental damage. The flavor text says things like 'deal fire damage', when it's blatantly false. There's just a universal 'magic damage'
It's probably because I come from XI, where the game was less mechanics and more character structure, but XIV doesn't do it for me at all. There's nothing to it. It also means my favorite FF class ever would never work in the game because there's not enough depth to support it
>>343883352
I still can't decide between just sucking it up with XIV or playing on the XI private server.
I don't want to live in old MMOs forever, but they're just so much more enjoyable.
What is the most comfy thing to do in this game?
>>343868419
It's basically Overwatch as an MMORPG.
Casual as fuck, on consoles, let's even the shittiest of players feel success.
>>343883352
>XI more character structure
You mean game where was no difference between 2 same class characters?
>>343883453
I think you need to try some other garbage, like f2p games.
After spending so much in the XI you just got used to the eating shit everyday, this is why you can't appreciate actually well made games
I blame consoles.
>>343883352
Palace of the Dead will have horizontal progress and item effects and shit
IF IT EVER COMES OUT
>>343883582
Hmm? I tanked everything up to Abyssea as BLU. Where as I had a friend who played BLU to DD. I'd say that's pretty different
>>343883582
>>343883759
Here's your (You)
>>343883453
XI private server has 300+ people on at a time and 1k+ unique logons weekly. It's pretty dank.
Probably the best option in the barren MMO wasteland until the TBC private servers release "late summer".
>>343883352
There is elemental damage/resistance, it's just completely worthless because there's never any reason to want to deal or resist a specific type of damage, which is largely for balance reasons.
It's all just taking cues from WoW. WoW used to have more stat variety, where even stuff like Int and Spirit could provide minor benefits to non-magic classes. But over time they noticed that people would just stack whichever stat was most beneficial for their class, so they homogenized it/dumbed it down to make it easier and so there was less "useless" gear floating around. Now the character UI doesn't even display most stats, and many stats do the exact same thing, just applying to different classes.
It's a tricky problem because in co-operative games like this where the central "meta" is getting strong enough to take down scripted bosses with significant gear checks (to keep people paying and grinding for better gear), playing in a way that is "non-optimal" is frowned upon. Even if you provide build options, chances are you will be more or less browbeaten into using whatever setup is the most efficient.
>>343883352
But what about the super deep cross class abilities????
I hate this idea they have that anything that was in 1.0 shouldn't be in the game now. I can understand removing elemental resistances from enemies (even if I don't really like it) because of how BLM works but there is no defense for the rest
>>343883582
>subjobs
>job points
>merits
Cross class abilities had a chance to be decent even after they were neutered from 1.0 but they limited them to class only (which also means that the new jobs have no abilities that can be used by other classes, at least until classes are inevitably removed) and gave an extremely limited selection.
>>343883794
From what I've read PoTD gear is only for glamour outside of PoTD, though I haven't really read much about it so I might be wrong
Does XIV have the least interesting tank meta in an MMO?
The tank classes are literally just DPS that have enmity built into their attacks. It feels like there's almost no unique/specific tanking mechanics in the game
>>343883806
You literally used same abilities for it, the only difference between dd and tank was who got agro, after it was same process for both
>XI shitters unironically ready to play on the private servers
Not even surprised
>>343883990
I wish the deck chairs in Mist had proper sitting animations so I could get fanned by those mi'qote sluts all day.
>>343884103
PS3 limitations
>>343883794
july 19 confirmed
>>343883582
This piece of shit got an anime? Sure fucking hope they focused on those two because anything having to do with autism girl is fucking abysmal.
>>343883976
In my experience pre-wow, suboptimal 'builds' are were fine as long as they were functional. If they made sense and could be used to clear content, then it was good enough. It didn't matter that there was something better or more optimal. I've never been harrassed in an MMO for not using whatever the flavor of the month was
But in XIV I can see the problem. The bosses and encounters aren't built for it. They're 100% scripted dance routines with strict DPS cheks and one shot mechanics. It's not about character build or strategy, it's about reacting to a set mechanic while mashing out a rotation
>>343884046
there's class specific buffs/debuffs built into abilities as well, and it makes enough of a difference that one tank will be taken over another depending on the encounter
what were you expecting precisely?
>>343879821
>it's not fun unless it's edgy and grimdark
gay
>>343883352
One thing that made XI awesome was the ability to use multiple weapons on certain classes. It is also what makes XIV so damn stupid; being unable to equip different weapons. I loved the weapon rank system and how certain weapon skills were only available to certain classes. Another thing was the armor was a bit more unique in some cases early on. I quit after my trial was over in XIV but the gear progression was so bad on 2.0 re-release.
>>343883976
>There is elemental damage/resistance
No, there's only damage resistances. Enemies do elemental damage, but there's no way for players to deal it themselves
>>343884046
Dont really get what a tank should even be like apart from being a tanky damage dealer. Wildstar probably provided the most enjoyable tanking experience to date, but even that was basically just a DD holding Aggro.
>>343884351
But Coil wasn't edgy or grimdark. In fact, Alexander despite cheerful music and gobbie shit actually makes passing attempts at edge.
>>343884315
I'm not really sure, honestly. An active, mechanical way to mitigate damage? A steeper curve on holding hate (So it's actually a problem, and not just a total snowball that makes playing tanks more about spending as much time in DPS stance as possible)?
M+KB or controller? I hear the controller use in this game is pretty good.
>>343884553
I use gamepad and keyboard on the ps4
>>343872418
The customization for your character's face is certainly limited (4-5 presets for eyes, mouth, nose, etc) but there's plenty of variety in other places. It's certainly no Black Desert Online character creator, but BDO's character creator alone doesn't make it good.
As for combat, what should a modern MMORPG's combat even look like? More action oriented? More like TERA? I struggle to even think of any games that distance themselves from WoW style combat.
>>343884553
MKB. You can learn to use a controller and it's serviceable and they did a good job adapting the interface but the game is still hotbar-based Windows-widget-UI-style MMO and MKB offers a lot more freedom.
Wow, why is Admiral so hardcore?
>>343884553
>I hear the controller use in this game is pretty good.
Relative.
What's the easiest class to play with gamepad?
>>343883462
house decorating
>>343884553
Controller becomes awful at later levels. Way, way too many skills to manage properly without hotkeys and modifiers
Playing SMN or WAR with a controller is a nightmare. Healers are kind of ok
>>343884553
It's very good, but once you hit your class end-game you'll run out of buttons and it'll become a nightmare to manage everything, still serviceable for DPS but you're better off with keyboard + mouse for the other two jobs since it also makes targetting specific teammates and enemies easier.
>>343884738
FSHWHM or MNK
>>343884750
I've got 896k gil. Can I get a house with that?
>>343884553
controller for crafting/gathering
mouse and keyboard for combat
>>343884782
What about ninja?
>>343884446
I forgot 'epic' as well, on top of edgy and grimdark.
It's not sustainable to have every new raid be more world threatening than the last, eventually you run out of credible threats.
>>343884815
>not even 1mil
Cheapest houses on the cheapest servers go for AT LEAST 8 mil.
>>343884896
Wrong.
>>343884750
>the only real tree in the game is the cherry tree
>still now new trees
>stuck with a load of tiny little bushes
Standard or Legacy control scheme?How the fuck does anyone use Standard? Feels clunky and awful
>>343884863
>It's not sustainable to have every new raid be more world threatening than the last, eventually you run out of credible threats.
But it's also silly when casual 24-man has a more interesting story than the hardcore savage raid.
>>343884896
Actually 3 mil for the cheapest unclaimed house right now.
>>343884695
because best GC and nation thats why.
>>343872418
True, it's a shit game, but it's the best MMO on the market right now.
And that tells everything about the genre. It's literally fucking dead.
>>343884553
The only class that has an enjoyable time on a controller is Scholar and maybe Black Mage/White Mage. Scholar because your pet does most of the healing anyway, so fucking around with a controller is less punishing.
>>343884938
legacy unless you're really good at doing 180's with the mouse
standard has some benefits though like being able to circle strafe while facing an enemy
>Get MIN to level 60
>Pick up last class quest
>Need 3 HQ Adamantite Ore
>Okay, shouldn't be a problem
>Wait for node to pop
>The node sets your HQ chance to 0% if you don't have at least 565 perception
The fuck is this, game? I have to go get endgame gear just to finish my class quest? Fuck you.
>>343885086
Good bait, pirate scum.
>>343885003
To be fair, did you really expect much of anything to beat Coil? It had a lot of build up and history, and the subject material was good from the getgo
I think it was kind of smart to dial it back a bit with Alexander and not try to outdo something was they didn't have much of a chance to outdo. And now next time, since everyone is accustomed to this silly story of Alex, they can try something big again without it being directly compared to Coil
>>343885124
i bought that shit on the market board
Got fishing to level 60 and installed a lalafell nude mod before uninstalling the game for good. Nah mate, I'm done.
>>343885119
You can strafe on Legacy too.
>>343885124
WOW I DIDN'T EXPECT I'D HAVE TO ACTUALLY DO SOMETHING FOR THE QUEST
>>343885119
You can do this on Legacy.
Are they ever going to abandon their current progression and patch structure? Because it's fucking awful, stale, and literally the same thing every fucking patch
I genuinely don't understand how people aren't tired of it yet
>>343884815
Cheapest and smallest plots start from ~2-3million iirc, and that's if there are even any left unclaimed.
On the vast majority of populated servers they're all taken up, so your only option then is to buy from someone for a huge markup.
When they added new wards in 3.3, on my server they were all gone 5 minutes after servers went up.
>>343882562
I think your card is fucked m8
>>343885309
The game has been bleeding subs since HW dropped.
They don't appear to be that bothered by it if they're still doing the same shit.
>>343885119
Not sure how you do it on keyboard but with a controller if you click in one of the thumbsticks you'll lock on your current target and can circle strafe.
>>343884764
>Playing SMN or WAR with a controller is a nightmare.
WAR Main Here, suck my nuts. Its easy as fuck.
>>343885417
They are bothered, they're just full into production of the next expansion and they can't just change their course dramatically mid-way.
>>343885549
>They are bothered, they're just full into production of the next expansion
Which is going to be completely identical in structure to ARR and HW
>>343885124
just buy that shit from the marketboard yo, work smart not hard
>>343885417
>bleeding subs
>both China and Korea opened servers after HW launch
I want Amerilards to go and stay go.
>>343882562
Processor? MMO's are very processor intensive, especially in towns and hubs where lots of people idle
I have SLI's GTX 1080's, and still drop low in towns because of my i5 4670
The only thing that ever drove me towards FF was the fact that the game has summoners. I really love summoners that arent just differently named Necros. Pity that hardly any other game actually had this sort of class. 99% of the time it bottles down to some shitty hunter using a bow/rifle if you want to play a pet class.
>>343885620
China is too busy doing RMT on WoW
Korea barely plays MMOs anymore
>>343885549
I'm going to wait on the next expansion to see if it's worth resubbing. I learned my lesson when I preordered HW.
>>343885375
I don't know if they ever changed it but servers were grouped into like categories based on how populated they were. Simplified it into groups A B and C with A being the higest pop ones. Prices of houses in group A would be higher than B and C and the prices don't drop indefinitely.
>>343885549
>>343885593
I'm pretty sure its fairly commonplace for MMOs to be an expansion or two ahead in production, thats how production pipelines work after all.
Didn't yoship say they've already got 4.0 (and 5.0 idk) planned out already? Basically MMOs are huge ships that change course really slowly.
>>343885805
Most of Ishgard expansion was actually probably planned back in 1.0 days.
>>343885945
Ala Mhigo had concept art back in 1.0 so we'll probably do that next. From there on, it's all new shit.
>>343868419
Literally nothing. There's not a single thing this game does right.
>>343885805
MMO's almost universally become shit after a certain amount of time. They all crash and burn, usually by changing some core concepts or giving up certain ideals to match modern standards etc. It happened to XI. It happened to SWG. It happened to Maple Story. It happened to WoW
And yet here we are, already on the second expansion for XIV and it hasn't become good yet. We're already nearing the point where MMO's start to fuck up and lose everything, and it hasn't even started going anywhere yet
I'm genuinely interested to see how XIV fucks it up even more
>>343868419
>quit WoW for about 6 months when ARR launched
>had a lot of fun leveling
>reached max and started the gear grind
>"okay, this is.. fun"
>no crystal tower yet, so raiding was limited
>completed two relics on summoner and bard
>quit
think I enjoyed leveling more than I did end game. beautiful zones, great music and fate grinding was chill as fuck with a group. even the chocobo quest(which felt tedious at time) was quite enjoyable. felt accomplished after finishing it.
if I could combine ARR world and leveling, with WoW's combat system and end-game raiding and pvp, it would be excellent.
>>343885119
>180ing with a mouse
Isn't this the norm for other mmos?
>>343885682
I have an I7-4770, doesn't seem like the problem lies there.
>>343885805
I will be deeply surprised if the next expansion is anything but a level cap increase and new coat of paint.
>>343886121
That's literally all mmo expansions.
What if, FFXIV base, with PSO2 combat and character customization levels, plus runescape crafting and quests
>>343886153
XI's expansions were all pretty varied. All of them had a different type of endgame. They also managed to keep older endgames relevant
I'm not sure where XIV went wrong
>>343886153
This is false
>>343886170
>PSO2 combat
Sounds fine for instanced stuff, but I just don't see it working in open world. You can't have a 100 person action RPG, the main world would have to be small instances too.
>>343886170
I will never get this obsession with action combat in MMOs.
>>343886483
It's a bad meme for people with bad attention spans. No MMO will ever reach the depth of GW1's combat, anyway.
>>343886483
It keeps things slightly more fresh when you're just going to make it a terrible grinding/treadmill game.
I can't think of a generic WoW clone that wouldn't be at least slightly more interesting with action combat.
Still inferior to just making a proper sandbox MMO.
>>343886225
Not once did the core gameplay change. Also whoever decided to wait 13 years for GEO, a core FF class to get put in needs to neck himself.
>>343886318
Right, I forgot SWG's NGE. :^)))))))))))))))))))))))))))))))))))))))))))))))))))))))))))))))))))))))))))))))))))))))))))))))))))))))))))))))))))))))))))))))))))))))
>>343886483
Frankly XIV is already action combat. Except with tab-targeting. There's no variation and no preparation, no role-playing variation, you just execute your actions in the right order and dodge stuff. If it wasn't for gear stats it'd just be an action game. Very slow action game.
>>343886170
What about pvp? What game/mmo would be the best fit?
I'd play it if it wasn't for the shit ps3 limitations that literally ruined the potential of every single area.
>>343886683
>Geomancer
>Core FF class
You what, mate? Literally a gimmick caster in each rare appearance it has
Daily shill post
http://nasomi.com/
>>343886904
It has more appearances than meme classes like corsair and
>>>>>>>>PUPPETMASTER
>>343877681
>>343886784
>>343886483
has there even been a tab targeting MMO in the past 4 years
>>343872060
2.0 had a shorty playerbase, FF retards couldn't even handle Titan HM and threatened to quit the game of they didn't dumb it down. SE didn't listen and made 2.1 and 2.2 the best updates the game has ever seen. After that the game went downhill.
I like how faggots on /v/ like to bitch about MMOs catering to the 1%, but once SE started focusing on content for casuals and "midcore" (see egocentric casuals) it's been nothing but rollfacing ancient content on easy and grinding the few bottable instances for rewards that act as another gate in the gear treadmill. All they did was increase the amount of grind you need to do to compete in endgame and be available to party with people.
>>343886483
DDO is fun
>>343886545
Good joke. GW1 would have been great had you been able to jump, or at least get off of a fucking ledge. I still remember that ice area where you had to walk all the way to get down from the ledge.
>>343886483
Makes character movement more skill based, requires you to properly aim, makes macro spamming significantly harder unless their auto aim, makes you independent in fights with a high amount of targets, gets rid of LoS issues such as cancels AFTER the spell finished casting etc. The only upside of tab targeting is the target lock for healer, but since pure healers are cancer anyway not much of value was actually lost.
Black Desert and Vindictus basically have the perfect combat system already. Heals and buffs are AoE so that problem got solved as well.
>>343887692
>GW1 would have been great had you been able to jump
Lookit this ADHD shitter.
>>343887891
You never played fucking arenas if you think that the inability to jump was a fucking upside. Half the arenas were fucking cancer, especially the Ice one. Underworld and Hell also had a shit ton areas where the inability to jump off a ledge was complete fucking shit. Made no sense whatsoever either.
>>343868419
The fact that if it's not on life support it's bleeding money so devs try everything they can to keep it alive
>>343885741
They standardized it across all worlds now, and lowered the prices to boot.
>expansion drops
>new attraction in gold saucer coming in 3.1
>think it's gonna be snowboarding, blitzball, or any other old ff mini-game
>It's just square trying to push lords of vermillion in the west in the shittiest way
>Nothing new till next expansion
>Legion is coming
>ARR threads everyday
Coincidence?
>>343889502
I chink note.
>>343887310
Fucking nips
>>343886983
So, can somebody who plays on Nasomi explain why there are a bunch of NPCs in the game that just stand there? Like, you can't talk to them, you try to interact but nothing happens. They're clearly not there for flavour, they're supposed to do something, why don't they?
Why are cats such huge sluts?
>>343868419
DELETE THIS
FFXIV WAS SUPPOSED TO FLOP
IT'S A SHITTY 2.5s GCD WOW CLONE
WHY IS EVERYONE LEAVING WOW FOR THIS SHITTY GAME?
>>343868419
>>343891649
miqo'tes are the night elves of eorzea
>>343868419
Doesn't take 12 months to get new battle content
What went wrong?
>>343891809
kek XIV asks you why you're unsubscribing now as well
>>343891719
Because WoW is actually that bad right now.
>>343868419
My penis goes to the right
>>343892521
legion is going to be released for consoles soon
>>343892521
Blizzard lost their spark. They no longer put any real effort into their games.
>>343872692
Is BDO still alive? Combat looks really fun might consider picking it up
I'm just so tired of xivs patch cycles being stale content that's braindead easy. Especially now that I quit raiding I have no idea how the fuck people praise the game there is literally zero content outside some braindead dungeons you run a couple of times a week for welfare gear.
>>343891719
WoW is genuine garbage now.
Hell, I WANT to go back for Legion since it's finally focusing on 5-man dungeon content and they still manage to turn me off with the class changes. Doubt I'll even sub for one month to try it with the way things are looking on the beta/ptr.
>>343893079
this, it's just becoming more of the same
just gonna let my sub run out and never look back
>Hey. let's remove hots from healers and mitigate damage abilities from tanks
Seriously, why blizzard decided that it was a good idea?
>>343893519
They can't be arsed anymore.
>>343892521
I can't wait for deep dungeon so I can actually play dps without huge wait times
I bought this game but I'm having issues updating it (really slow downloads, haven't found a way to fix that) is there somewhere to download the updates directly or a torrent or something?
>>343893869
How deep dungeons even work?
Reward wise
Can I farm weapons and armor there and use it for the actual leveling?
>>343894562
gear from outside of deep dungeons do not matter, deep dungeons have their own progression system in place. you can use deep dungeons to level classes but you don't get any actual gear rewards from it other than a glowing weapon that's supposed to be on par with upgraded lore weapon if fully upgraded (probably takes lots of grinding)
>>343893079
there does need to be more midcore content, palace of the dead seems a step in the right direction with the later floors supposed to be challenging similar to EX primals but not savage tier hard.
>>343895183
So no reason to do it?
>you can use deep dungeons to level classes
But I thought you always start it with 1 level? How can I level my class there?
Does the game have as much (current, non-nerfed) content as it did in 2.4 yet?
Did they ever add any way at all to customize your character's build?
Did they ever add even a single job that supports more than one role?
Did they drop PS4 support so they can make zones larger than a postage stamp?
Is there anything that makes this game any more than weeaboos WoW with less features and less content?
>>343895806
everyone starts off at level 1 and as you gradually progress through the deep dungeon floors you will find gear, items, and level up. when you're done with the dungeon, you get EXP in the outside world that's based on your current class level you went in as.
the incentive to do it is to have fun, level alt classes, and get a powerful weapon that will help you raid savage if you grind enough.
>>343893273
>Hell, I WANT to go back for Legion since it's finally focusing on 5-man dungeon content
Can you get top (and I mean top) of the line gear from mythic dungeons now? Until they're a TRUE viable alternative to raid gear I don't see the point.
I don't know why they bothered with mythic 5-mans in WoD when they were basically dropping lfr tier loot. The only ilvl that matters in a vertical progression MMO is the highest one.
>>343893519
blizzard dumbs down WoW each expansion to cater to the normies who play it now.
>>343896136
Supposedly they're going to add more floors later on which will make it actually challenging. Curious to see if that holds up. The idea is interesting but if it's just braindead farming then it will just be painful.
>>343895553
It's going to turn out like Diablo 3's greater rifts, just watch.
>floors 150-200 are seriously difficult
>some classes cant do it at all solo/duo
>even for the classes that can, you need to luck into good floor layouts/buffs to clear it
>people complain that the few people that get to 200 are only on the leaderboard thanks to RNG.
How to fix FFXIV:
-Get rid of ilvl and the stats such as Strength, Dexterity, etc..
Keep Determination, Skill Speed, etc and make unique stats allocation for every piece of gear instead of having a primary and a secondary stat
-Bring back elemental and physical resistances and add them as stats on gear
-Randomize encounters instead of making them scripted
-Incentivize job switching by making all tank jobs, melee dps jobs, ranged dps jobs, etc share the same gear
-Make the relic quests much easier if you've completed them on at least one job
-Add a system where you can change the effects of your abilities off combat.
Example: make Cover only redirect magic damage, make Medica damage foes instead of healing, etc...
>>343896836
I can only agree with your last two points, I'd love if the relic were slightly easier on your second pass, like you can skirt your way through crystal farming with multiple drop chances or something.
>>343896836
>make relic quests easier
Are you kidding? I fucking LOVED doing ifrit unsynched 120 times for that sweet aether light!
>>343872418
>>343875709
There are literally breast and muscle sliders.
Why is it that when /v/ shits on FFXIV they do it with fucking lies?
I think that in itself is proof FFXIV is a good game. /v/ can't criticize it without telling lies about it.
>b-b-b-but the breast sliders don't let you have tits that are bigger than your head!!!
Boofuckinghoo. They don't let you have a completely flat chest either, but they're still there.
>>343887214
>people say FFXIV caters only to casuals
>alexander gordias was so hard it destroyed a huge part of the raiding community
>patch 3.3's nidhogg and weeping city of mhach has had people crying that it's too hard for content that isn't the tippy toppiest of hard content
Yeah, no. They want to make hard shit, it's just video games in general have shitters as the biggest section of the demographic. Trying to make shit that wont piss them off but will also feel enjoyable for people who like a challenge is like walking a tight rope.
