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Why are you rank 45 /v/?
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I'm not, I'm 55.
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>>343833696
53 after my placement matches. Not touching it because it's ass so far.
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56 and hating every minute of this game.
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I'm 60.
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>>343833696
BECAUSE THE TEAMS I GET FOOKEN SUCKS M8
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>>343833696
>implying human beans are below 50
i jobbed so fucking hard for 3 of the 5 placement games i lost but i still pulled 52 for getting medals while doing it
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60. If it weren't for the leaver gain bug, or the bullshit KOTH bug on the first day I'm pretty sure I'd be higher; I came out of placement at 58 having gone 8-2.

The leaver bug fucking sucks. If anyone leaves the game the winners get barely any points and the losers get a full loss. And even if the winning team is the one down a guy, they get barely any points for a win.
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>>343833696
Because I got a string of shitty teams after getting my placement matches done and I don't really feel like trying to crawl back up to 50 when losses take away so fucking much
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>>343833696
I still haven't tried it
If I fuck up the 10 placement matches what happens
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>>343834442
just go for an offensive class and tdm like a madman
even if nothing gets done you'll still be fine if you get medals
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>>343833696

Because I play solo which leaves me at the mercy of the match maker.
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>>343833696
Haven't touched competitive after the placement matches. All of my last 5 and 7 in total involved the other team leaving mid-match, resulting in us steamrolling the other team. I figure if they're not going to adjust competitive to take that into account, I'm not going to bother when it could've easily happened against me.
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>>343834635
>playing an online team objective game in solo queue
You brought this upon yourself.
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>>343833696
because people HAVE to play genji 24/7

they wont even stop if you ask then to switch
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>>343833696
Rank 61 now.
Started with rank 54.
Gotta say, Force 50 is giving me some hard time here.
I even had one match that have average levels much lower than the enemy team.
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>>343835123
60 and up is actually less than 10% of the population. Very even matches can be hard to find outside shitterville.
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>>343835294
and it's not helping when I'm playing solo queue
My team won't listen to me even when i'm the highest rank in team.
Sometimes, i'm forced to pick the support roles too.
And the game of course, ended up losing.
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>placed 61
>time to play!
>5 straight leaver matches in a row
>drop to 58
>get back to 60
>3 leaver matches in a row, even when we're winning by a landslide
>back to 58

It's shit and the community is shit and it's rage inducing.

While it's fun, it's super infuriating to play with people who don't know how to win. Worse yet are the people who yell like they know wtf they're talking about, screaming "we need a Reinhardt" when we're rocking Genjis (plural), a Tracer and another tank.

And everyone bitches way too much. It's not "bullshit" when you go from 100%-0%, you got got. Play better.
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Started at 49, fell down to 46, then went back up and reached 51. I've lost three matches do to people on my team leaving, which pisses me off to no end. Two of them, my team was dominating.
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>>343836053
If it makes you feel any better, the winners of those leaver matches got jack shit while you dropped ranks.
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I'm 38
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53 reporting in. Went 6-4 but had plenty gold badges.
My shitter friend who is prestige 30 is 48. I keep teasing him about it.
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>I hit 70 yesterday
>My friend is in the low 50's
>He keeps dropping
>Wants me to play comp with him
>If I win I barely move
>If I lose my rank will drop like a damn rock

Fug
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I placed at 45

Its my mission to get sub 30.

ITs so fucking hard to get under 30

Once you get to level 31, scrubs are so bad you can't even like fake play and not win.

I want to be 29 so bad.
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i won first 3 placements, all teammates around the same rank. Next 3 games somebody leaves and gives me a loss. 7th game had 4 golds and one silver as a lucio, with a team of rank 20s. I'm scared im about to get jobbed into some sub 40 bulshit.
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>>343834932
I swear to god. Every fucking shitter plays either Hanzo, Genji, or does a really fucking bad job as Pharah/76.
You can pretty much tell how good someone is by looking at what character they pick.
>Roadhog: Usually above average. Going to pester the fuck out of your supports and squishies.
>Mercy: Can't aim worth a dick, but that ult wins the game. Every. Time.
>Tracer: Annoying mosquito. If you can catch her then she's dead, otherwise she's going to circle around your head while you try to sleep because you wake up in 5 hours and you are really fucking tired
>Magilla Gorilla: Yeah fuck that Mercy, son
>Lucio: Now this is a grey area, Lucio players can be really good, or extremely shit.
>Junkrat: Unpredictable spammer, basically Demoman but with a giant tire that blows up
And it goes on.
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>>343836682
>or does a really fucking bad job as Pharah/76.
That's probably me.
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8/2 as the designated support during placements with my premade. They were all 55-60 while I got 52 because I spent the whole time on Reinhardt/mercy/lucio.

not mad though because we're all over 60 now

Do any games do support skill rating properly?
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>>343833696
Your mom won't get off my dick enough to play.
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>>343836605
Godspeed you magnificent faggot.
Make videos of the matches when you hit sub 30. I am intrigued.
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>>343836605
That looks like shit on buns.
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>>343833696
>mfw 50-60 fags always shit talk in games like they are good and know what they are talking about

You guys need to stop pretending you guys are good.
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>>343833696
Why do you play OverShart?
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>>343836998
I believe the term is Manwich.
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>>343836998
Where else will shit be if it's not on the bun?
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57 after placement, got to 60 through brute sweaty tryharding, then realized I'll never enjoy this game if I take soloq seriously, so I stopped giving so much of a fuck and quickly dropped to 49. Been having fun, I hope I drop even more desu.

Maybe next season I'll try to get a group somehow and try to hit the 70s.
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>>343836682
As a Roadhog I enjoy your insight

What is your opinion on Reaper, Zaraya, Torb?
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>placed at 63
>lost it but haven't dropped below 60

Goml you baddies
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>>343833696
>Get placed with shitters and get BTFO for every loss. I've had maybe one close match loss so far
>Literally 5 games in a row where I won, but someone rage quit near the end of the match and I got jack shit for the win
>Back up to 62 despite the bullshit
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>>343837551
Not that anon, but
>Reaper
One of the most imba hero now since the damage output is crazy high
>Zarya
Truly the hero we deserved.
The shield can counter so many heroes and the ulti can combo with so many heroes.
>Torb
Mostly are noobs that don't even know how to position their turret well.
But torb with Molten Core is still unbreakable currently.
Only way to deal with it is rush in with team, bait the molten core, then group up and rush in when it's down.
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Got 40 in placement matches

First 3 matches were great with people communicating on the voice chat, the rest was fucking hell on earth with teammates picking Hanzo and fucking refusing to group up.

Went all the way down to rank 36 too. Fucking horrible.

Then I started playing with friends and now I'm back to level 41
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>>343837551
>Zarya: Zarya players are getting exponentially better. She's basically ruling the meta.
>Reaper: Usually average. Reaper players are not necessarily always good, but they always defuse the tank. Always.
>Torb: Either "Shit I'm lagging like a motherfucker, better whip out that turret". Or, "Man, Bastion is too boring, at least as Torb I can also jump around and mow down people with my shotgun"
I am also a Pig main
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thoughts?
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>>343836605
the key to trolling sub 30s is to play battle mercy
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>>343838228
Cool but you're limiting your game experience and crippling yourself in the long run since you won't be able to reliably play any other heroes.
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>>343836605
Friend and I did this in WoW during arenas in season 2. Tanked our rating by zerging one person in 2v2, then leaving the match before the other guy could figure out wtf happened. We could only imagine their faces as they got the W. Comedic gold. Sides in orbit all day.

And the best of all was one dude who decided to make an alt on or server to talk smack after he "won"
>HAHA UR GLADIATOR RANKED AND WE BEAT YOU

I really didn't know how to respond to that, but I went the nicer route and told him "Dude, we're getting our rating as low as possible. There was a reason I was naked and mounted"
>no response
>charater does not exist
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>>343833696

Came out of placements as rank 60, friend 65, played a few matches and we kept getting absolute garbage teammates, the one we did win the enemy team all left except for one person. I'm down to 57, neither of us are going to play competitive until this shit gets better.
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I got 53 but comp mode is ass. Not gonna touch it past season placements. I'll get a gold weapon eventually doing that.
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>>343838228
Literally every rich chink is using hacks at this point and ruining the experience for those poorer noodle niggers
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I've never played a ranked multiplayer game with this many fucking manchildren who whine about things not going their way and leaving the game when something goes wrong. I don't play mobas so I'm assuming that's where all these shitters are coming from.
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>>343838891

Our placement matches were great though, went 7-3 and a lot of times our team was communicating and the games were hard fought. Soon as we get out of placements we get retards going only one class and not doing anything to contribute to the game. The highlight was the McCree and Soldier 76 we got 2 games in a row who only played the same class and did nothing, the McCree was constantly complaining about Tracer and Winston.
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I'm trying to see how low I can get before they fix their broken as fuck system.
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>>343836918
If they're neutral to role and only focus on win/loss, yes.
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STOP
PICKING
GENJI
NONE OF YOU ARE FUCKING GOOD, JUST BECAUSE YOU SAW SEAGULL DOMINATE IN HIS GAMES DOESN'T MEAN YOU'RE GOING TO REPLICATE IT, YOU'RE RANK 40 FOR A REASON SDJALDVHBLISDAVDF
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57 here. can't believe I'm in the top 15% of players on ranked.
I'm not even good.
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>>343840259
a rank 40 genjis gotta be good enough to harass a presumably rank 40 team
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>>343841280
How do you know you're top 15%?
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>Won 8/10 placement games, assigned Rank 60
>Go back and forth between 60 and 63 but not lower yet

Feels like I'm where I should be.
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>4 leavers in placements
>playing support
>rank 48
>win 12 or so
>lose 5
>now rank 44.

Blizzard working their shit magic.
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>>343833696
>win half of my placement matches with two friends
>two other friends wanna try comp
>I lose two games with them
>they get super mad at each other at the end and leave
>mfw rank 49 because of these assholes
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>5 people instalock various dps/snipers
>have to play support for the thousandth game in a row
I'm so fucking sick of Mercy and Lucio, but those are the only solo supports that fucking matter. So its Mercy, until the Genji/Tracer that are in every single match flank and kill me, then whittle down my team because nobody turns around.

Then its off to Lucio so I can at least defend myself from these assholes. I'm so fucking sick of support.

8/2 for my matches. Placed 62, bouncing between 63-59. Playing support every match because we don't have one unless I do it.
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>>343841645
master overwatch will tell you what percentile you're in.
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>>343833696
I'm like rank 43 or something. I made the mistake of winning a heap of quick play matches before starting ranked. So after winning my first three ranked games, the forced 50% decided it was time to even out my winning by forcing me to lose a heap of games in a row. It even kept putting me on the same shitty teams each time, which isn't supposed to happen.
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>played genji all 10 games and won all
>placed 62

i-i'm okay at Genji, r-right? I'm not one of those useless flankers, right?
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>>343842916
Rank 62? You're fine. A good Genji can really help out a team, and it looks like you're one of them. Have any tips? What's your usual strategy? I'd like to git gud with him.
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Ranked is fucking stupid
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>>343842119
This site has to be limited in some way. I was like a top something zarya at one point and I'm like a mmr 50-55. It must only rank by a very small part of the actual population pushing people who aren't truly high in percent higher than they should. Not to mention ranking just came out and would still need more time to normalize so we can figure out whats actually good. Some streamers and shit which seem decent are 70-80. Does the site explain where it pulls it's info from ?
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>>343838228
>maining a healer when they climb half as fast as heroes who actually have to do things
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>>343842119
For some reason this site can't find my account despite logging in through Battle.net
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WAKE ME UP INSIDE

Can't wake up
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>>343845028
Wouldn't this strat get countered by 4 winstons and 2 Lucios?

Or 3 Winstons, a Reaper and Lucio?
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>>343845028
>70 eliminations
Christ
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>>343845337
>Or 3 Winstons, a Reaper and Lucio?

2 Lucios*
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>>343845337
You'd think, but no. This comp is close to impenetrable.

It's the go-to comp in competitive like 2-3 McCrees was pre-nerf.
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>start rank 57
>maintain very high win ratio
>rank is now 53
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I'd rather re-tar my roof than play this garbage competitive mode. Blizzard, the ultimate bait and switch company.
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>>343840259
>Hanzo on attack
STOP
FUCKING
STOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOP
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>>343845028
Learn how to play pharah you fucking garbage cans holy shit
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perfectly balanced matchmaking
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>>343848893
if you queue with 5 people expect that to happen

no fun allowed
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>>343833696

Because my friends and I just play whatever we feel like and if people on our team whine more than once about it, we purposefully make it even worse.

Throwing games is worth it when you make a tryhard so angry he rage quits in competitive.
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I'm rank 48 after placement

It's depressing
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>>343833696
>play Reinhardt for my ten placement matches
>basically just sitting on the payload/point shielding everyone while they get kills
>every now and then killing the enemy Mercy
>win 9/10 placements
>get skill ranking of 38

>later find out this is because blizz determines your ranking based on your medals and medal-stats
>pretty much the only medal I'd get would be gold objective time because I was doing my fucking job as a reinhardt and blocking damage for my team

great system blizz

If I'd known this shit I would have just fucking played Soldier 76 and got 4 golds and 1 silver every game
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Can people who don't want to win just stay in quick play.

Holy shit constantly getting matched with shitters in ranked.
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>>343849893

>Not playing Streetswine
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>play with a group of friends
>everyone's chill and picks heroes to make a decent team comp
>get placed 60
>play with other group of friends
>bunch of LOL ITS JUST A GAME BRO CHILL OUT
>one guy never plays anything but Hanzo or Widowmaker
>other guy refuses to play anything but D.Va because she's his 'waifu'
>other people refuse to play anything that's not an offense hero or Symmetra on points where she is totally useless

i am now 55
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>>343845028
>playing KotH
>some faggots try this comp against us
>I go junkrat, my mate goes Pharah
>first round is pretty close
>we absolutely fucking decimate them on the second
silly buggers
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>>343850174
I feel your pain my friend, whenever somebody picks a hero such as Widowmaker on attack or double supports I hint to them that perhaps that is not the best pick and they should repick but nope. 90% of the time I get told to chill out pal.
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>>343849893
>Play Reinhardt for 10 placement games
>Get placed 52

Don't try blame the game for how bad you are
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>>343850174
>bunch of LOL ITS JUST A GAME BRO CHILL OUT

I'm the only one in the group who feels like this. I think comp is not for me, everyone around me is so serious about winning, it's pretty fucking sad seeing them like this.
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>>343833696
Because all the people who are shit went to competitive and now all the competent people are still playing quick play
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>Win a match by landslide by team switch/second map
>Enemy DCs
>Only 10% of the bar

This needs to change
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>>343836249
It doesn't because somehow this is ok even though both sides feel absolutely robbed.
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>>343844527
It's because the only player data they have are on players who make accounts with the site and link their battlnet account to it. Other than that, they don't have much. Only something like 65K players or so to gain data out of.
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>>343838228
Lucio is boring to play. I don't know how people do it. Rather play Mercy or Zen any day.
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>>343850451
>>343850621

yeah, it's not so much getting salty over teammates playing badly, but I just wish they picked better heroes

i mean when you go into a game and it's looking like Genji, 76, Reaper, Hanzo and Widowmaker I wonder if we even have a chance. 95% of the time I have to make the obligatory Reinhardt or Lucio/Mercy pick when I play with these guys and then we typically get rolled anyway.
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How the fuck do you counter a team that does 2 monkeys and 2 lucios on sudden death, always fucks me and my teams up and lose because of a coin flip. What is the counter?
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>Bragging about your "skill level"
>Assigned arbitrarily by a program
>In Overwatch of all things
Holy fuck this is too good
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>>343851286
Junkrat
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>>343849893
i got 62 with Rein but thats because im not shit
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>>343838228
Why is the Japanese font so much cooler?
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>get placed at 57
>immediately climb to 62

blizzard get ur mmr calculations together wtf
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>>343849893
you know they're using the mmr you got from playing quick play right? like a really skilled high mmr player that does placement matches will not get queued into lower mmr players doing their placements
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>Place 47
>Climb to 51
>People leave games nonstop, automatically setting me up for a loss CAN'T LEAVE WITHOUT A LOSS, PLAY A MAN DOWN NOW BECAUSE IT'S FAIR :^)
>Teammates are pure fucking shit
>The point is being captured, and teammates would rather sit on the outside shooting people than run in and contest it
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Is it adviseable to tank the ranking for the purpose of points farming ?
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>Calibrate at 55
>Climb to 67
>Completely stuck at 67
>Lose 3 games, don't derank
>Win one game, gain back the mmr lost from the other games
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>You can get banned for leaving matches
>But you don't get banned for hacking
Holy shit Blizzard what the fuck.
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>>343849893
>38
You can get good if you try, just stop blaming the game. You aren't the group the complaints about ranked even relate to.
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>>343851930
match making past ~60 is so fucky
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>>343833696
placed at rank 59. instantly dropped to rank 51 after that.

now I'm only paired with shitters who don't know how to do anything but try to 1v1 with their main, genji
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>>343851865
>point captured through sheer luck
>everyone immediately head towards enemy spawn
>gets killed
>lose point

60~ is where matches stop being quickplayish. Just hang in there.
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>>343851979
>You can get banned for leaving matches
Not if one of your teammates leaves first. Then you only lose a rank aka 5 wins worth of progress.
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>>343844932
Do you put your battle.net number after your name? ie. Fuckhead#1234
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>>343833696
57 zarya/mercy main Come at me
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>>343844932
Just search for yourself. Log in is bugged or something because it gives me 10 level behind stats. Don't for get case sensitive.
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Rank 70 here, did nothing but play Lucio in my qualifiers and won 9/10 of them, and then switched between mercy/Lucio in all my games afterwards
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I'm not ranked. I have no desire to play competitive.
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I heard you get less skill rank playing support

It is true?
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>>343853062
No, it's a meme. If you play support poorly you will be ranked really low. If you play support well the rank system recognizes and ranks you better.
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Ranked has shown me that Roadhog desperately needs a fucking nerf
>Literally any 200 health character he hooks and instant kills, no fighting back, not to mention his hook is a fucking mile long
>Huge damage output, which wouldn't be a problem if it wasn't for his instant 300 fucking health recovery
>His health recovery is so fucking ridiculous I can be fighting him as Riendhart and he heals while I'm beating him, and gets to kill me because he heals and hooks me, which interrupts my attack
>Good luck aiming at him during his ridiculous fucking ult, insane damage plus everyone goes fucking flying back, even Riendhart when he charges
Seriously, he needs a goddamn nerf
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Okay, so I can think of a few matches I lost where the other team was just better. But I lost like 5 ranks just for being on the same team as people who left the game.

Will they ever fix this? Why do the team get penalized when someone else randomly leaves? Is it a jewy way of trying to make people play more?
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>haven't played in like a month
>feel great

Have fun ripping your hair out over this unbalanced shit
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>>343853728
It's a shitty system, and it's that way because Blizz doesn't want the entire match to be worthless if one player leaves. Because why the hell would anyone willingly stay after losing a teammate, if they could leave without a loss?

Honestly it fucking pisses me off that one person can leave and I'm guaranteed a loss because of it. Makes ranked feel meaningless
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>>343853728
They figure if they don't then groups will take turns taking the penalty for leaving when losing a game to save their teammates.
>Why doesn't the loss just happen for players grouped with the leaver?
Because blizzard is fucking stupid.
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I'm facing none of the problems you guys are having in Rank 63. If someone isn't a tank or a healer. One of the Offense switches to them before the round starts. All players are polite and courteous and everyone tries to the best of their ability.
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>>343844527

It's super limited. It can only parse accounts that registered and asked to be updated. if you jsut do it once, the stats are never updated. So the stats are already extremely skewed, since most average players don't really care about that site.
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>>343833696
66

i am too scared to play, waiting for trash to fall to lower levels in the hope that i don't group with them
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>>343849893
>>later find out this is because blizz determines your ranking based on your medals and medal-stats

Source?
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>>343834564
Which is the fuckin worst because it rewards not being a team player. And then when you're support only getting gold in healing and sometimes obj time, you get a lower rank, which puts you in with everyone else who's shit and lost 15 games in a row to lose their high placement and then you're on a shitty team and can't get out because you're shit teams can't win. And then when you finally win a game, you realize you have to win 3 for every 1 you lose just to maintain rank.

Yeah, I'm salty as fuck, but I just don't want to play competitive because losing 3 ranks in an hour and a half sucks dick because I'm not going to win enough games in a row to get back up. If I can maintain a 50% W/L then I shouldn't be losing ranks, I should be hovering around the same 2 to 3 ranks, not dropping like a rock.
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>>343834383
>bullshit KOTH bug
Huh?
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10 placements all her day one.
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I got to 50 today.
initial ranking was 42. I didn't play ranked for a few days tho, only 26 matches played with 14 won at this point.
>we got matched against a 56 average group with someone ranked 64 on Dorado
>we were average 50 only because of the two fillers ranked at 54 and 55
>we won both rounds and everyone got a huge rank up because we were the underdogs
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can u beat these
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>lol let's do a sudden death coinflip instead of stopwatch even though literally everyone complained about how coinflip is retarded and unfair on the ptr
eat a dick blizzard
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>started level 53
>am now level 43

>losing entire ranks on a coin flip endings (you would think that if the match ended closely the penalty wouldn't be as huge)
>lost an entire rank when power went out for a second even though I still made it back into the match and we won
>lose games because other people leave
>losing games because people don't join team voice chat and refuse to listen to rest of team about picks
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I did my 10 placement matches, won 6 out of the 10. Was placed at 53.

I probably won't play anymore matches because a lot of shit is messed up in this season, to be honest the only reason I did the placement matches was to see what rank I could get and how many points I'd get for it.

To name a few issues:
>Tanks/Support players don't seem to get as many points as people who play offense heroes
(don't know how you'd properly rate a Reinhardt, though. Dmg blocked doesn't equal contribution)
>Leave penalties in general are fucked
If you disconnect accidentally you get an automatic loss, regardless of whether or not you rejoin immediately. EVERYONE else in the game gets hit with a reduction as well, even if you manage to scrap a win as a 5v6 you get nothing, if you're about to win and someone leaves right before the end, you get nothing.
>at the higher ranks you need to have a 80% win rate to progress
fixing above would probably help this
>the minimum level allowed for entry, 25, is way too fucking low
Blizzard had the right idea to put an entry limit on but it's not enough. It should be 50, at least.

Next season, I'll maybe try again, but with a team. I don't want to go through solo queue hell again.
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>>343855625
got placed at 68 and in the same boat
solo queue is some real shit
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>>343834383
>on the first day
played 3 koth tonight, got about a third of what i got on my payload matches
it isn't fixed
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>>343836605
whats the best way to down rank without being obvious?
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>>343857947
>reinhardt
>lower the shield at horrible times
>"whoops, sorry"
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>>343842916
>Went 5-5 and was placed 56
Ranking also counts medals so that's pretty bad.
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>>343858257
i can do that
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>>343834383
>tfw had a leaver on my team in 8 of my placement matches
>that double feel that we were winning in the first round in 7 of those matches
oh well, at least I was put in with a lot of shitters that are easy to dominate as I work my way up
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>>343858486
>Went 6-4
>46

I didn't know it counted medals or I would've never picked support
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>blizzard thinks this is fair
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I was calibrated at 44 but climbed up to 49 ans I am at just one game to 50.

That said, this game is fucking hell playing solo. Some teams JUST

Solo players should earn more ranks more quickly. Because at this pass it Willy make me forever to reach 55 let alone 60.

>INB4 uga buga
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>>343849681
oh? you think thats bad try rank 43
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>>343860367
enjoy the meager points for a win when you get near 60, and then losing entire rank when you lose. needing nearly an 80% win rate just to keep your head above water is a bit retarded.
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>>343859694
I've sworn of competitive completely at this point. Playing a KOTH match that literally takes 30 plus minutes only to get 5% of a rank on a win or to lose an entire rank on loss is way too fucking much.

I don't know why I even entertained the thought that they might make a compelling ranked mode. This game will always feel like shit in comp.
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>>343860875
KotH is the best / most balanced game mode though.
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>>343861331
Never said I didn't enjoy it, more that the rewards are not worth the time and the risks are very high.

If I could que for KotH only thats all I would ever play, the other maps are fucking terrible in design.
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>>343861452
well yea. i heard it's a bug that you only get +5% if you win.
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