>the combat is trash
Uh.. How many RPGs out there have combat that isn't trash? Why do we pretend TW3 is the odd one out? It's not just Witcher. WRPGs in general have trash combat.
Morons..
>>343799313
Chill, if BB won goty everybody would say it has trash combat.
![85219_front[1].jpg](https://i.imgur.com/HZbitOT.jpg "85219_front[1].jpg")
This RPG has good combat.
those people dont play RPGs
>>343799773
Turn based isn't combat
>>343799313
KotOR 2 had top tier combat
>>343799313
>Wither 3
>RPG
pick one
>>343799313
>M-morons
Exactly how old are you ?
>>343800232
Learn how to spell. Than we will talk.
>>343800427
>Than we will talk.
>Than we will
>Than we
>Than
kill yourself
>>343800232
What aspects does it lack that makes it not an RPG, sperg?
>inb4 le character creation XD
TW3 isn't a good RPG either though so it might as well at least have good combat.
>>343800552
Lex luthor kevin spacey WRONG
That's a grammatical mistake. NOT spelling.
>>343800023
>don't stat your character horribly
>spam flurry or force wave/storm and watch as everything dies
The utterly RIVETINGnotcombat isn't Kotor's strong point
>>343800583
Well I guess you are one of those faggots who thinks zelda and pokemon are RPGs, right?
>>343799313
Dragons dogma aced combat but failed in every other aspect
>>343801012
So you actually can't name something instead of shitposting?
TW3 is a perfectly typical ARPG (which in turn can be considered a subgenre of RPGs).
>>343799768
It doesn't though, that's the thing.
>>343801194
It does.
It's not easy being the defining achievement of the medium.
When should I swap out my Grandmaster gear out during NG+?
BB had the best combat. But won none. Despite that, its still the talk of the town.
>>343801306
It's a lot better than TW3's combat, that's for sure.
>>343801503
But in the grand scale of things it's still slow, clunky shit
Witcher combat always has sucked and will suck forever
>>343799313
>How many RPGs out there have combat that isn't trash?
I like dragons dogma alot.
>>343801176
Depends on your definition of RPG. I would label it more like an action adventure, but I would also not consider JRPGs as RPGs.
And having your character and his motivations and ideals completely defined before you start the game is an important factor in that. But also since you can't even do different playstyles. You are always a swordman with some magic and potions. And the character progression system is also very rudimentary since you can only pick perks, which don't change your stats all that much.
>>343799313
Grandia 2Witcher 1
When people say that a game has garbage combat, what game do they have in mind that they're comparing it to? What is this mysterious paragon of game combat that all other games should aspire to be?
Is it Devil May Cry? Dark Souls? What the fuck is it that you people even talking about?
>>343799909
Replies aren't posts.
>>343801817
it should be like dark souls
The combat is the reason I didn't play the Witcher 1 more than a few minutes, its just terrible, boring and repetitive.
WRPGs indeed have awful combat, although the customization is ok
>>343801479
Whats BB?
>>343801817
The dirty little truth is that if Witcher 3 combat was like dark souls, people would whine about artificial difficulty.
>why the fuck is this so hard??? I thought the point was playing the game for the story.
>>343800023
Literally went through that game spamming flurry+force heal
>>343801689
Slow because it runs at sub 30 fps. Besides that there's nothing slow about it in comparison to TW3.
>>343801786
Sounds like you try tabletop. I doubt any videogame is going to give the RPG experience you are looking for.
>>343801786
>And having your character and his motivations and ideals completely defined before you start the game is an important factor in that.
I wouldn't say that, role-playing some fleshed-out character is another type of RPG, and has its upsides and downsides
>But also since you can't even do different playstyles. You are always a swordman with some magic and potions.
Actually, you can use signs exclusively and with the new update even the crossbow is a viable option, though not something I'd recommend. But mixing these all things up is what makes things fun.
>And the character progression system is also very rudimentary since you can only pick perks, which don't change your stats all that much.
It's not revolutionary, pretty basic, but not bad enough to disqualify it as an RPG either
>>343799313
>>343802249
>in mind that they're comparing it to? What is this mysterious paragon of game combat that all other games should aspire to be?
>Is it Devil May Cry? Dark Souls? What the fuck is it that you people
Enemy and player actions are still more telegraphed and delayed in BB. It's infuriating. Geralt also moves a bit faster.
>>343799313
It's because it's the only bad thing about it so they shit post about that the most and over exaggerate it.
>>343799313
>Constant fart and poop jokes
>Tiddies everywhere, even though mature gamers such as Witcher fans are supposed to be against "juvenile" things like fanservice
>Stoic emotionless protagonist who solves every problem with fighting, basically a 14 year old's mental image of masculinity
TW3 is a game for teenagers.
>>343802535
Didn't mean to quote
>>343802275
>>343802338
I'm not saying that I hate the game, actually I liked it a lot. But I can't stand people calling it the best RPG of all time, while the RPG elements are very light in this game. I still prefer BGS RPGs.
>>343802709
Well yeah, I won't disagree with you about the RPG elements being pretty light-weight and even somewhat tacked-on-top. It's still an RPG in my books.
>>343802535
You realize TW2 took after Demon's Souls as it's cheap inspiration for its combat mechanics? The similarities are no coincidence. Your preference is subjective, but Witcher combat is literally a cheap clone of Souls combat.
>>343799313
>others game failed in the past
>we shouldn't complain
>mediocrity is acceptable
That's it people, nothing better may ever come after Witcher 3, we hit the apex of combat in RPG's. Let's all be grateful.
>>343802852
Well yeah, and I don't particularly fancy the type of combat in either game. Thing is, witcher has other things going for it too
>>343802709
BGS RPGs?
>>343799313
>WRPGs in general have trash combat.
Agreed, the entire genre is fucking garbage.
>>343799313
Seemed okay to me. Nothing with too much depth, but easy and fun to understand enough. I mean, I've honestly played games with worse combat.
>>343799313
The combat isn't trash. Are people just playing on low difficulties? I'm level 11 and I still get fucked if I get swarmed by level 6 enemies.
>>343803041
Bethesda game studios
>>343803041
Bethesda Game Studios
>>343799313
>WRPGs in general have trash combat.
>that means we should give it a pass
lel
>>343800741
>that damage control
don't talk shit about spelling and then be incapable of proper grammar. it just makes you look like a tool.
>>343801689
R1 startup is 6f (3f on the PS4 supercomputer at 30f per second) which is about as fast a a jab in a lot of fighting games. What the fuck are you babbling about retard?
>>343803305
>I'm bad at it so it's good
LMAOing @ your life.
>>343799313
>Why do we pretend TW3 is the odd one out?
But it's not the odd one out
It's just another one with garbage combat
>>343803305
Sounds like you're just bad, do you have Parkinson's or something?
>>343801786
Have you literally never gone to a tabletop convetion and the GM hands you a premade character?
I guess you're not playing RPGs then?
faggot
>>343799313
Divinity OS and Temple of Elemental Evil say otherwise. JRPG turn based combat is utter trash that requires no strategy and merely forces the player to spam attack.
>>343799313
difficult =/= trash
newbies gotta learn how to play
>Combat is a core part of an RPG
Nawh.
Combat exists to measure character progression and add level requirements for certain areas/events.
This place is overflowing with normies whose first "RPG" was Mass Effect, though, so they don't know the difference between Action RPG and regular RPG..
Saying an RPG has shallow combat is like saying GTA has shallow hand-to-hand combat.
It's there for a reason, but the game isn't built around it.
Just let go Marcin. Your game is trash to play.
>>343803468
It simply feels slow as fuck, and you can attack very few times per second. You can look up pretty much any video and compare it to something like DMC or Bayonetta
>>343803594
sorry that I'm not a turbonerd like you. I thought this discussion is about video games.
>>343803706
>gameplay isn't the most important factor in any video game
You Witcher apologists are disgusting.
The combat sucked ass but it wasn't the combat that put me off of the game. My problem was that the game bored the shit out of me. I did play on the hardest difficulty as well.
>>343799313
The problem with TW3 combat is that it's almost good.
If Geralts moves were more reliable, the dodge worked better, and it had half decent hit detection, then the combat WOULD have been good.
>>343803881
You said "depend on your definition of RPG"
Your definition is accepter neither in videogames nor in tabletop. I guess DoodSex and Planet Escape Tournament aren't RPGs either amirite?
kys you big homo
>>343804006
So you hate all RPGs? Why bitch about witcher specifically?
>>343802430
(You)
>>343804006
>he thinks gameplay is limited to combat
stop posting your opinion my man, it's just not interesting
>>343804163
butthurt
ITT: soulsfags mad they can't grind or use a shield for 3 minutes to safely learn the enemy's attack pattern
>>343804006
>Combat is the only kind of gameplay
Those old school RPGs with turn based, text-based combat sure weren't good then, huh?
>>343799313
>morons...
Yea you would have to be a moron to put up with the atrocious combat of the witcher
Played the full game on Deathmarch then all the DLCs on Deathmarch. The new enemies in Blood and Wine are such a fucking slog to fight against, not one enemy is fun, they're all just fucking annoying chores.
That being said I still like the Witcher games, and still think 3 is pretty good.
>>343804210
But everything else about The Witcher's gameplay is bad too, particularly movement and horse riding. Stop posting any time, friend.
>>343804006
#WitcherGate #Ethics
>>343804281
>battleborn.jpg
>>343804394
Seems good to me, boss.
Could you elaborate on what's bad about it?
I think everyone should just stop arguing about this everyday and and just leave it alone and either play it or don't
>>343802430
>kill anything
funny thing is that Geralt i.e. "powerful witcha" literally can't beat first town's pleb guardian
at least good games like Gothic explained why you are weak at the beginning of the game
>Don't make a good game because other games are bad!
Witchershits are the worst
>>343804275
You clearly haven't played the witcher
>>343799313
TW3 is not an RPG
>>343804493
>this game is the shittiest ever even though other similar games are accepted as great despite having worse combat
Soulskids are dumb
It's not just the combat though, most of the gameplay is below average.
People mock the skyrim quest design but people rarely mention how abysmal The Witcher is for doing almost the same thing. Holding down the left trigger/right mouse button, walking around pressing "A" or "E" on glowing red objects, following automatically generating breadcrumb trails and searching small circles drawn on your mini-map is NOT fun. Then you top it all of with a belong average combat system, even for an RPG and the whole experience of actually playing the game is borderline unpleasant.
>>343804562
well meme'd retard
>>343804562
Fuck off Todd
>>343804582
>despite having worse combat
Could you name some? Witcher 3 is generally accepted as bottom of the barrel.
>>343803829
>Man fuck frame data, I know how it """""feels™"""""
>An ARPG with stamina management doesn't play like a crazy game with aeriel that has self-cancelling mashable on every single attack.
Color me surprised, you are beyond retarded.
>>343801113
>mash buttons
>good combat
It's as bad as the witcher and large monsters are just meatshields
![reddit-judge[1].png](https://i.imgur.com/5YPSdef.png "reddit-judge[1].png")
>>343804686
>>343804686
>walking around pressing "A" or "E" on glowing red objects
You can find the objects without using witcher sense, idiot
>following automatically generating breadcrumb
Which lasts like 30 secs max, and acts as a way to take you to other places and often include extra narrative
>>343804890
>You can find the objects without using witcher sense, idiot
And?
>>343804686
Nigger yes the quests are trivial to do, but the setpieces and quest progressions are way more elaborate and varied than in Skyshit.
Besides what quests are anything more than "follow this chain of events" in any RPG?
>>343799313
the combat is better than dark souls
>>343800023
Real time with pause, a.k.a. "Turn based disguised as real time" is a pretty bad system.
>60+ abilities
>12 ability slots
>>343804779
>>Man fuck frame data, I know how it """""feels™"""""
Well what are you complaining about TW3 again?
>>An ARPG with stamina management doesn't play like a crazy game with aeriel that has self-cancelling mashable on every single attack.
I don't give a shit, those games simply have way better combat than the snooze-fest Souls whose only achievement is being (somewhat) unforgiving instead of actually fun to play
>>343801817It's bait.
>>343804954
>setpieces
What?
>>343804967
>>343804926
>And?
Don't use it.
>>343804996
It's not just disguised, it's worse than turn based. Turn based offer meaningful positioning, and crowd control spells.
That's why ToEE has great, interesting combat, while AD&D games like Baldur's Gate has combat where everyone just runs into each other.
>>343804926
And why are you whining about growing red objects then?
>>343799313
just because the WRPG genre has shit gameplay generally doesn't mean W3 is excused from having it.
>>343805228
Over 300 game of the year awards say you're wrong haha
>>343805228
The question isn't whether or not it's excused, the question is why is it mentioned constantly when other cRPGs have the same issue.
>>343804686
Please. You may not like the Witcher but to even compare the writing in Witcher 3 to Skyrim is a fucking joke. Skyrim may be the absolute worst written RPG I've ever had the displeasure of experiencing. From the main quest down to the guild questlines, it was all grade-school tier garbage.
>>343804562
This. The term RPG is so vague these days, any fantasy open world action game gets classified as such now.
>>343799313
Only ADD'd dank souls console kiddies say that, combat is fine
>>343805115
Well yeah, pretty much every quest leads you into one or more setpieces.
>>343805339
>didn't even win greatest game of all time award while a JRPG did
fucking btfo
>>343799313
THIS IS A BAIT THREAD
ITS THE SAME GUY WHO'S BEEN MAKING THESE THREADS FOR THE PAST WEEK TRYING TO BAIT YOU INTO SAYING THAT WITCHER ISNT AN RPG
>>343805210
You thinking walking around a room spamming "A" or "E" is any better?
>>343805371
Because it came out a year ago?
>b-b-but let's talk about baldur's gate (1998) instead
>us witcherfags are persecuted all the time
>>343805606
>Because it came out a year ago?
So?
Has the problem somehow disappeared since 1998?
>>343805595
Well what the fuck do you possibly want the investigative sections to contain?
>>343805595
Then how should have they done it?
>>343805075
You said it's slow when it factually isn't. It's fairly responsive and lively. When faced with that you start babbling about DMC like a retard who lost his way from a churazzy containment general.
The discussion is about ARPGs. If you want to include your retard genres immediately skip to fighting games-- they have strictly better combat than DMC and plenty of them are faster.
>>343805751
>Well what the fuck do you possibly want the investigative sections to contain?
Some basic need to think
>>343805794
Am i a fucking game designer?
Oh look, it's the WRPG is great meme again, sick of seeing this shit. This garbage genre is still struggling to produce its first good game. They could be good if they dropped the open world bullshit, but nope, gotta stuff the game full of lifeless bland locations and meaningless side quests. Open world games are for a special kind of ADHD spaz who can't follow a story for over 12 minutes. They just fuckin wonder into the woods and stumble across some dirty peasant who's lost three silver branches or some shit. Why the fuck is this in the game? This is the kind of content these games are fucking loaded with and it's all such mindless dribble. It's like the realism meme that keeps showing up in games, yeah you can walk wherever the fuck you want cause that's how it works in the real world but games just aren't geared for that. Instead of going on a carefully crafted set path or even a good sandbox style level open worldies would rather talk to some generic poorly modeled piece of shit about how they need to go kill a bandit cause "he kiled me mum ;_;"
These "people" will probably wander in front of an oncoming semi one day anyway.
>>343799313
Good point. Ill take W3 gameplay over Bethesda or bioware shit any day.
>>343805923
>The discussion is about ARPGs. If you want to include your retard genres immediately skip to fighting games-- they have strictly better combat than DMC and plenty of them are faster.
And why shouldn't an RPG have good combat then again? Darksiders 2 comes to mind, that game was great. Yet you come to the witcher thread bitching about its combat when any souls game is shit as well.
>>343805956
>mixing a totally valid point about open world with an unrelated introductory sentence
>>343806181
>Darksiders 2
mindless button masher
>>343806345
Hardly. At least it's not a snoozefest.
>>343806345
Definitely needed a spin2win button
>>343806181
>Darksiders 2.
I see. A brutal case of the mashin'-shit shit-tastes. That game is janky AF. We're done here.
>>343806580
This is just how fucking pathetic souls spergs are
>B-BUT IT'S NOT SOULS
>Dark Souls influenced me very much because I love games like this, but I understand after The Witcher 2 that we should less experiment on stuff like this but more focus on the things which people love in our games.”
Even the garbage game designers where trying to copy Souls. Too bad they failed miserably.
>>343805940
No? but since you know why it's bad you must have ideas for a better system.
>>343799313
in all fairness, witcher3 is an amazing game
its definitely better than souls or bloodborne trash
>>343806806
Darksiders blows nigga'. Nobody lauds the combat for good reason.
>>343806949
Souls blows worse.
I miss turn based combat.
I know smaller indie games still use it but I wish it was more common in big releases.
>>343807247
how does it feel to have a complete trash opinion
>>343802430
Don't make me bust out biography of The Boss.
>>343807348
How does it feel to have an opinion?
RPGs in general offer other things to make up for weak combat.
>Planescape Torment
Extensive dialogue options and role playing potential is unmatched to this day
>Deus Ex
Freedom to tackle objectives is pretty much unmatched to this day
>Bloodborne
Great combat
>Dragons Dogma
Great combat
>Witcher 3
Err..... Good graphics?
>Elder Scrolls
Replayability is essentially unmatched in the endless amounts of characters/builds/playstyles you can partake in.
They game simply doesn't excel in any one gameplay related category. It's dialogue is basic in that it offers 2-3 choices on average (Literal Fallout 4 tier), it's role playing potential is essentially non existent in that you're always some form of swordsman, combat is pretty mediocre/serviceable at best.
It simply doesn't have anything else to make up for it. Whenever I ask people to tell me what separates Witcher 3 they will either deflect to GoTYs or throw in a bunch of vague elements with a random positive adjective and no explanation i.e ("The story is great", "The characters are fantastic!" etc).
It simply doesn't do much to separate itself. It's another cookie cutter open world game that is simply above average, nothing more yet the hype surrounding it has inflated it to the point that people like it because of how well perceived it is. Same exact reason Skyrim/Mass Effect 2/TLoU are seen as some of the best games in recent years.
>>343806939
>game
>>343799313
when your fighting mechanics have as much dept as the most basic turn based RPG then you know it wasn't worth it
>>343802656
/thread
Fucking /v/ is a bunch of hypocrites, always shitting on JRPGs for having dumb writing, childish humor and fanservice titties yet they eat up shit like The Witcher. I want reddit to leave already.
>>343807445
pretty good desu
I feel worse about the fact that I actually bought darksiders
>>343805016
Unfortunately, there's a mod for that.
>>343804468
All town guards in the game are OP and they scale with your level, otherwise you would kill the whole population of a town without a problem.
>>343807865
Darksiders 2
Reading comprehension, nigga. Surprise you didn't like DS1 since it's slow like your precious souls games
Oh look, a Witcher 3 thread, I wonder if-..
>Ctrl + F
>"Souls"
>17 results
Everytime, is there a more insecure fanbase than Witchercucks? They literally ruin their own threads by deflecting to Souls games every time meanwhile Soulsbros are enjoying their threads, shitpost free.
>>343807605
>Err..... Good graphics?
Atmosphere and writing.
>>343799313
people who hate on this game are very retarded
yes, i was once one of them
but hear me out brothers...
the beginning does start of generic and bland feeling. lots of tutorial instructions being piled on top a bland setting and uninteresting dialog, this is a very heavy burden to the new player. but believe in me, my brothers, the rest of the game opens up into a vast, interesting, amazing world.
by far the best game of all time
the sheer content alone, the staggers quantity of quests and things to do, the intricacy of the gameworld this alone in itself is record breaking.
but the story and writing get good too,
it all really comes together
game is a solid 9.5/10
miles, years, decades, centuries, ahead of anything japan could possibly make
people only hate the "combat" because of the first impression the games leaves
>>343808147
>they ruin their own treads
And the souls babbies just happen to be there shitting on witcheramirite?
>>343808202
>Atmosphere and writing.
Atmosphere is subjective and writing is no better than pretty much any compotent RPG (let alone the older GOAT RPGs).
Mount & Blade Warband
>>343799313
Uhm, I bought this game on the sale and the combat is definitely not trash
>>343808492
>d-don't use these points
>>343808286
>by far the best game of all time
>"game"
>Everything gameplay related is mediocre
Not even better than Skyrim tbqh
>>343808147
the problem with Dark Souls is that the series solely revolve around combats. But the battle system is complete shit, you spend your whole time rolling around, making use of the overly permissive iframes against ALL enemies. Because every single enemy you meet can be killed the same way as everything else.
Weaknesses? Nowhere to be seen.
In every single aspect, Dark Souls's battle system is a dumbed down Monster Hunter.
Too bad because the game has a really unique setting.
>>343799773
>JRPGs are RPGs
Yeah, no.
>>343808681
>Ask Witcherfags to list gameplay points it separates itself from RPGs
>Lists one subjective aspect that is more to do with presentation and another related to story
Go read a book.
r>>343805197
>That's why ToEE has great, interesting combat,
Except between the shitty 3E rules that makes most of those 'interesting' choices retarded in practice while the Druid gets to blow the game up, sometimes literally with crashes because their spells hit too many targets, and ToEE's boring room-full-of-mooks encounter design, its combat is neither of those things.
>>343808492
>writing is no better than pretty much any competent RPG
Dragons Dogma has the best combat in any RPG ever.
>>343808492
Witcher 3 has top tier dialogue though. Lots of characters have distinctive and unique personalities, good vocie acting, treat Geralt differently depending on various variables etc.
And the writing is consistent throughout.
There are very few RPG's that can match the quality and quantity of the writing. (new vegas is pretty close)
>>343808805
And that's why Dark Souls (regardless of your shitty opinion) is viewed as one of the best Action RPGs of all time.
Go look on any list m8, your opinion is pointless.
>>343802656
>>Stoic emotionless protagonist who solves every problem with fighting
play witcher then post
>>343808492
The only RPGs I played that are as well written as TW3 are those of Chris Avellone.
>Atmosphere is subjective
implying judging any kind of art from an objective standpoint is possible
>>343808805
>battle system is complete shit
I never get tired of this meme
>>343808851
>Videogame RPGs are RPGs
Yeah, no.
>>343805016
>You actually have to think about how you want to fight.
Why is this a bad thing?
>>343808805
>the game has a really unique setting.
>medieval fantasy europe
>unique
Combat is some of the best of all time.
>>343809134
I agree with this actually.
>>343809070
I did
>>343808878
Almost all the things in your original post like "good combat" for bloodboner and ESPECIALLY the ridiculous replayability argument for skyrim are subjective more or less. W3 does atmosphere and story-telling exceedingly well, and does everything else from solid to great. That all adds to a great overall package.
>>343809123
Prove me wrong.
>>343807605
>Extensive dialogue options
yes
>role playing potential
meh
there just aren't that many different outcomes in quests in P:T lad
mostly you're going around filling checkboxes
>Elder Scrolls
>Replayability is essentially unmatched in the endless amounts of characters/builds/playstyles you can partake in.
oh okay, fuck you
>>343802110
bloodborne
How different is Witcher 2 and 3 combat from the first game? I haven't played them because I played the first Witcher and the combat was just click twice, I pretty much played 20 minutes of it and didn't feel like playing anymore.
I don't want to play 2/3 because I'm not sure if I'm going to be missing story details, and I'm not sure I can finish the first game, it bored me to death.
>>343809220
>Combat is some of the best of all time.
when Monster Hunter does EVERYTHING better? And when all enemies can be killed the same fucking way?
No man, when I play Dark Souls I get bored as fuck. It's the level design that is a good, not the combat.
>>343808995
>Lots of characters have distinctive and unique personalities, good vocie acting, treat Geralt differently depending on various variables etc
Book characters with decades worth of source material have distinct and developed personalities? Woah....
>And the writing is consistent throughout.
Is that why Emyhr has 10 lines of dialogue in the whole game?
Is that why the Wild Hunt are pathetically represented in the game and instead of being some menacing force with deep motivations (like in the books) their whole plot ark is "LEL, WE WANNA TIME TRAVEL AND SHIET".
Is that why CDPR released a Triss patch to make up for how shafted she got in the final acts of the game?
Is that why Ciri is an insufferable Mary Sue with zero redeeming or unique qualities/traits despite having a FUCK load of unique qualities from the books (she was a fucking bandit yet she is made out to be some generic Mary Sue in the same vein as Rey from Star Wars)
The Writing wasn't consistent at all despite CDPR having endless source material to work with. New Vegas isn't close, New Vegas is leagues above in terms of writing.
New Vegas even manages to make Legion somewhat understandable despite their horrifying acts.
>>343799313
Witcher 3 is fucking GOAT and the only reason /v/ hates on it is because it's popular.
>>343809101
>The only RPGs I played that are as well written as TW3 are those of Chris Avellone.
So you haven't played many RPGs then. That's all this shit opinion tells me.
>>343809448
Completely different m9
>>343809448
>I don't want to play 2/3 because I'm not sure if I'm going to be missing story details, and I'm not sure I can finish the first game, it bored me to death.
Playing TW3 and missing a few references is better than not playing TW3 at all because you couldn't play the earlier games
>>343808890
>Except between the shitty 3E rules that makes most of those 'interesting' choices retarded in practice
They aren't retarded, AoO make the positioning matter, and I hope you choke on your AD&D autismo box set
>>343809519
>Is that why Emyhr has 10 lines of dialogue in the whole game?
What the fuck does that have to do with writing consistency? Stopped reading there
Funny how Witcherfags always bring up all of the awards the game won, but they shit on Skyrim despite the fact that Skyrim won even more awards than TW3 did. Yall a bunch of hypocrites.
>>343809497
>Monster Hunter does EVERYTHING better
It doesn't do anything better. Grinding and repetitive content maybe.
>>343809830
Funny how soulsfags always tackle to 2 or 3 persons mentioning the word GOTY in a thread with hundreds of posts
it's almost as if they were somehow bitter about something...
>>343810000
Never played a Souls game in my life. Stay butthurt, witcherbaby
>>343809631
Around thirty. And I don't count every game of a same series. (like all the Wizardry games)
DAILY REMINDER BOTH WITCHER AND SOULS HAVE AWFUL COMBAT
THE ONLY GOOD MELEE COMBAT GAME IS CHIVALRY
>>343809329
>Almost all the things in your original post like "good combat" for bloodboner
Not subjective at all, the depth is overwhelming in the combat system to the point that a single weapon has more depth/movesets than the entire Witcher combat system (not even exaggerating.
Witcher 3 has:
>Fast attack
>Heavy attack
>Can't dynamically mix the attacks
>Parry/Counter
>Sway attack (dynamic combo)
Bloodborne Holy Ludwig Blade:
Non Transformed:
>R1 attack
>R2 attack
>R2 Charged attack
>Sway attack (dynamic combo)
>Roll attack (dynamic combo)
>Running attack
>Lunge attack
>Parry/Counter
>Transformed combo
>backstep attack
>Backstep transformed attack
Transformed: (entirely different moveset)
>R1 attack
>R2 attack
>R2 Charged attack
>Sway attack (dynamic combo)
>Roll attack (dynamic combo)
>Running attack
>Lunge attack
>Parry/Counter
>Transformed combo
>backstep attack
>Backstep transformed attack
It's observable and measurable and that's a single weapon.
>>343809407
>>343809329
>Replayability
>Subjective
You can play as a thief, warrior, mage and every combination of those 3 classes.
It's absolutely not subjective in terms of mechanical alterations and each one plays significantly different.
You would think Skyrim having almost double the player count as Witcher 3 on PC despite being 3-4 years older is evidence enough of this.
>>343808805
>unique setting
lol ps2 graphics on generic goth fantasy gameworld with generic architecture and landscaping.
wow, so unique
the only thing special on souls/bloodborne has been SOME of the monster design.
yes, there is a good "artistic" evil design for SOME of the monsters, but really, the rest of the game is very mediocre and generic,
especially the combat
souls/bb are only popular because of the shit-ton of hype neogaf has done across the internet directly to the impressionable masses who will suck up any bullshit
>>343809958
Combat has a lot more depth, monsters have rich patterns and all weapons actually feel differents from each other
>>343810125
So how is it possible to think Witcher 3 has better writing than Planescape Torment/Fallout 1, 2 and New Vegas/Baldur's Gate 2 etc unless you haven't played the game?
>>343810084
Yeah, right. Nevertheless, do you expect 100% of the people who played witcher would stay dead silent about the fact that it did well on a video game award thing? Not hiss a word about it like it was a sin? You're retarded if you do.
>>343810195
kek
>>343810242
>You can play as a thief, warrior, mage and every combination of those 3 classes.
That doesn't matter when I got sick of the shallow game after 40 hours. I can't believe I'm even arguing with a pleb who praises skyrim as an example of replayability
>>343809679
>They aren't retarded
Yes, I'm sure the designers making the Monk suck and loading the game down with trap options all on purpose isn't something retarded.
>AoO make the positioning matter
So did AD&D's zone of control mechanic. In fact, zone of control worked far better because it let characters who weren't gatling trippers actually control an area.
>>343810370
>Yeah, right.
Stupid fucking retard.
Anyways, I don't care if you bring up its awards, but youre hypocrites if you shit on Skyrim. It won more awards than TW3 and as another anon said the playerbase in Skyrim is still double TW3 despite being almost 4 years old
You just want to appeal to popularity with >muh awards, but only when it works in your favor.
My biggest problem with the combat is this
The game is insanely easy, even with it on highest difficulty
However to not get 1 shotted in the highest difficulty you need to use Quen, BUT Quen makes the game even MORE easy, so even as you turn the difficulty up all you're really doing is forcing yourself to use Quen and play easy mode anyway
>>343810365
Avellone worked on Planescape Torment, Fallout 2 and New Vegas. And these games have better writing (although I don't think it's the case for New Vegas). We're going back to what I said earlier.
Witcher 3 writing is as good as BG2's though. I never understood all the BG writing hype, it's not bad by any means but it's far from being Planescape.
>>343810501
>ignores my objective argument and presents his own personal anecdotal feelings
Talk about pleb.
>an ancient evil awakens
>gerry have sex with me
Great plot.
>>343801194
It's the same combat, From rehashes content so much that if they were a restaurant that's scrape food off your plate and throw it in the freezer to serve it tomorrow
>>343810853
>Witcher 3 writing is as good as BG2's though.
The dialogue options in BG2 is extensively better handled as is the roleplaying potential.
I would easily put BG2 above Witcher 3 in that it doesn't have an entire book series to work off that LITERALLY wrote 90% of the characters for them like CDPR had.
>>343810242
>You can play as a thief, warrior, mage and every combination of those 3 classes.
WOW HOW FUCKING IMPRESSIVE, NEVER SEEN BEFORE IN ANY AREPEEGEE
Man, your mind would just implode if you ever opened PosChengBand
>>343811008
>It's the same combat,
So you haven't played the game? How can you say a game with guns, no shield and transformed weapons/attacks plays anything like the "turtle behind a shield and strafe left" Souls games?
>>343810893
Go back to skyrim fag. It's a widely accepted fact that skyrim is shit, and you praising it makes you lose your credibility. I could make my own shitty game too, but add 200 shitty classes. You'd probably think that was replayable as hell.
>>343810985
What do you expect, its a game made for 13 year olds. See also: the endless fart and poop jokes.
Funny how /v/ shits on games with anime tiddies but praises the Witcher. Insecure normalfags I guess.
>>343811031
>what is forgotten realms
Try playing a game before discussing it
>>343811161
> It's a widely accepted fact that skyrim is shit,
Except for the fact that:
>It has more sales than the entire Witcher series
>It has more players playing it to this day despite being much older
>It has a metacritic than stomps Witcher 3s
Stay triggered
>>343811161
>It's a widely accepted fact that skyrim is shit
Then why did it win so many awards? Aren't you Witcherfags always gloating about how many awards TW3 won?
If it's "widely accepted" that Skyrim is bad, why does it sill have double the playerbase that Witcher 3 has?
>>343811158
>denying BB is flooded with rehashed content
It even has the same UI
Companies just don't come shittier than From
>>343811332
Oh hi again shitposter
>>343811332
>Witcher 3 is a great game but it's not as great as Skyrim
At least you admit TW3 is one of the best games ever
>>343811460
He's right and you don't have an argument
>>343811358
>does it sill have double the playerbase that Witcher 3 has?
Sex mods. Do you seriously consider Skyrim a great game? What is wrong with you? And why am I arguing with a literal baby who enjoys skyrim?
>>343811495
Pure Kino, TW3 is a must play before you die.
>>343802004
JRPGs aren't any better. They simply avoid the combat and hide behind turn-basing.
>>343811495
>using /v/ as a metric
>not even in the top 10
Guess what, based god Todd STILL WINS BABY
>>343811613
>muh appeals to popularity are only valid when it works in my favor
You have no argument. Stay butthurt.
>>343811528
>he
Neither do you outside of >a million flies can't be wrong
>>343810710
>So did AD&D's zone of control mechanic. In fact, zone of control worked far better because it let characters who weren't gatling trippers actually control an area.
yeah, too bad that didn't happen in IE games
>>343811528
What's to argue, he said TW3 is a game of a generation, and it is
>>343799313
Divinity Original Sin and several strategy RPGs have pretty good combat.
>only action-based combat can be good
cancer
>>343811715
>Kirby super star is higher than Witcher 3
>it's not even in the top 20
>>343811739
>>a million flies can't be wrong
You fags use this argument all the time in favor of TW3. Hell it actually just happened right here >>343811649
>>343811715
Good for him, TW3 and Skyrim > everything else
How can Japanese cucks even compete
>>343811894
Nobody used it as an argument outside of you, other people just pointed out that TW3 has lots of awards, which it does. I don't care about that so much, but you clearly do
Dragon age origins has the best combat system of any wrpg.
>>343811894
Try not eating shit little fly, GOAT Witcher 3 . Best user scores since BG2
>>343811715
>Morrowind the best game of all time
You TESbabbies crack me up
>>343812013
>I don't care about that so much, I'm just going to gloat about it in every TW3 thread
Uh-huh, sure
Skyrim won lots of awards, many of them from the same people who gave awards to TW3. Youre a hypocrite, plain and simple.
How can CDPR even compete bros?
>>343812279
>Skyrim won lots of awards
And? So what? You still haven't explained how that's relevant.
>>343812114
Shit eating flies are the only people who like TW3, just like with Skyrim.They're both fucking garbage.
>>343812279
If even Skyrim could win that many award just n the back of being an open wurld RPG, why couldn't your jap turd?
checkmate, weebs
go console yourself with some cringy gook humor or something
>>343812327
On the shoulders of the millions and millions of fans who adore it
Pure GOAT
>>343812226
They're twat waffles.
The only thing good about Morrowind is the atmosphere.
>>343812360
Because you Witcherfags always use >muh awards when arguing that TW3 is good. But somehow >muh awards suddenly doesn't matter when it comes to Skyrim? Fucking retard
>>343812541
>Pure GOAT
>lower metacritic and user score than Baldur's Gate 2
So Baldur's Gate 2 > Witcher 3?
>>343812609
>Because you Witcherfags always use >muh awards when arguing that TW3 is good
No we don't, some bad apples simply use them to provoke autists such as yourself
>>343812450
>Says this as shit comes spewing out his mouth
>>343799313
It's literally the only thing in the game that can be complained about. It's the only thing for people to latch onto.
>>343799313
>WRPGs in general have trash combat.
So they're trash games.
>>343804210
Yeah, what other gameplay elements does Witcher excel at?
The inane quests?
>>343802656
Thread shouldve ended here
Witcher is a game made for kids. Its Michael Bay-tier
Grow up people, Skyrim vs Witcher 3 arguments are the most childish thing I have seen on /v/.
I personally like both games, but Witcher 3 is the best quality game I have ever played.
>>343812660
>9.2 is lower than 9.2
LMAO wat
>>343812720
Witcher doesn't excel at anything that hasn't been done in better in other games or other mediums like books.
>>343812897
Witcher 3s only flaw isit had to end
>>343812812
>having this narrow of a perspective on games
