We must dissent.
Luddite please go.https://storagebin.wikispaces.com/file/view/Gurps_-_Alpha_Centauri.pdf
literally the best atmosphere of any game
>>343766906
>Luddite please go.
NO!
>>343767309
It was a great game all around
"Richard Baxton piloted his Recon Rover into a fungal vortex and held off four waves of mind worms, saving an entire colony. We immediately purchased his identity manifests and repackaged him into the Recon Rover Rick character with a multi-tiered media campaign: televids, touchbooks, holos, psi-tours-- the works. People need heroes. They don't need to know how he died clawing his eyes out, screaming for mercy. The real story would just hurt sales, and dampen the spirits of our customers." - Morgan Stellartots Keynote Speech, "Mythology for Profit"
>>343767401
Go and stay go.
>>343766728
Fuck off, Bowie, you're dead and gone.
>>343767619
https://en.wikiquote.org/wiki/Sid_Meier%27s_Alpha_Centauri
>>343767652
Shut up and prepare your organic superlube, the believers are going in.
>read dune
>suddenly the whole setup of fictional book quotes and worms makes a lot of sense
>>343767802
Come and try it genejack.
>>343766728
>>343766906
Why are Bowie and Khan here?
>>343767753
"We are all aware that the senses can be deceived, the eyes fooled. But how can we be sure our senses are not being deceived at any particular time, or even all the time? Might I just be a brain in a tank somewhere, tricked all my life into believing in the events of this world by some insane computer? And does my life gain or lose meaning based on my reaction to such solipsism?" - Project PYRRHO, Specimen 46, Vat 7. Activity recorded M.Y. 2302.22467. (TERMINATION OF SPECIMEN ADVISED)
she was right
SMAC writers foresaw PRISM/Echellon and all those projects.
By creating a planetary network, mankind on Planet now has the ability to share information at light-speed. But by creating a single such network, each faction has brought themselves closer to discovery as well. At the speed of light, we will catch your information, tag it like an animal in the wild, and release it unharmed-if such should serve our purposes.
>>343767965
>Disrespecting the Academician
That's a mind staplin'.
>>343768150
>SMAC writers foresaw PRISM/Echellon and all those projects.
Oh yeah, the bastards were ahead of their time and put actual effort and thought into it. They tried to represent all the various ideologies fairly and with true merit to each, even if they disagreed with it.
This game is one of the few games that stuck with for all those years and shaped me. Every time I feel physical pain I cant help but remember this vid:
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=sJlPr2KHSFo
My math 6th grade social studies teacher sold me this game for ten dollars (which back then was the equivalent to a week's worth of lunch) after her son didn't really take to it. This game pretty much changed my life.
>>343768879
>They tried to represent all the various ideologies fairly and with true merit to each
they pretty much gave flack to every one of them except maybe lal. Although /v/ will just spam "muh dead wife fucking"
>>343768904
I really like https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=YO_xh7xIabk but seeing youtube rarely bringing it up at the means most dont seem to like it.
Which is weird because its a really good one
>>343769281
>they pretty much gave flack to every one of them except maybe lal.
Exactly. None of them were pure and perfect or the obvious writer's favorite. If they tried the same thing today with current writers the hippies or commies would be perfect little societies without any flaws or depth.
And you can say Lal is a naive, ineffectual faction that completely relies on the vote to accomplish anything, something that could be pretty much ignored in reality.
>>343766728
>>343766728
>There are people who seriously consider Miriam morally better than any other faction
>>343769910
Man's unfailing capacity to believe what he prefers to be true rather than what the evidence shows to be likely and possible has always astounded me. We long for a caring Universe which will save us from our childish mistakes, and in the face of mountains of evidence to the contrary we will pin all our hopes on the slimmest of doubts. God has not been proven not to exist, therefore he must exist.
>>343770057
>>343770039
She's morally superior to Yang, Santiago, and Zakharov at least.
>>343770332
>morally superior to Yang
That's not really an accomplishment.
>>343770039
She has a point.
Zakharov lost himself in research and did some damn shady thing in the name of science.
Spartans are just war mongerers, who would clone their troops in mass and give them cybernetic improvements without any care for moral issues - all for victory.
The Hive is willing to squash all individual right, even the basic right to live, for the "Greater good"
Morgan will do anything for a buck, even shady things if the price is right.
Gaia is a fucking tree loving hippie who'd put planet before mankind.
and Lal is just a broken old man, trying to hold on to the failed ways of the old world.
why is Lal so perfect /v/? i want to hug him and tell him everything is gonna be alright
>>343770039
Only retards wouldn't, tbqh.
>>343770613
>>343770991
>>343771131
Nice pic, anon!
You look really cool in there.
>>343768904
You are cute. :3
>>343771131
>fedora
>when supporting a religious zealot
You don't know how that works, do you?
YANG DID NOTHING WRONG
>>343770613
>The Hive is willing to squash all individual right, even the basic right to live, for the "Greater good"
Nothing wrong with this
>>343771429
This.
North Korea is a paradise.
>>343771429
then you'd agree to die in favor of what some government person claims to be the bigger good?
>>343771610
Sure, are you some death-fearing untermensch?
https://youtu.be/iY57ErBkFFE
>>343771740
in that case: go out there meet a woman get married have kids, two of them and work to support your family. dont forget to pay your taxes. Do it for the great good and stop wasting time playing video games and posting on 4chan.
>>343771131
This isn't the "post pictures of yourself" thread anon
>>343768282
"Nerve stapling", pleb.
>>343772007
finding a good wife is the hard part; otherwise it should be a non issue
>>343772253
Did I say good wife anywhere? No I didnt. go out there first single woman of your race you meet - ask her on a date.
Do it for the greater good.
>>343770613
>This pasta again
When you will understand Miriam is one of the absolutely WORST leaders and actively uses her bullshit to sway masses?
>>343772253
that's your personal preference getting in the way of the greater good, indeed the greatest good would be taking up the worst wife to help everyone else.
>>343772546
Miriam has her faults too. but she never does anything morally shady.
>>343771740 here and I disagree with >>343772253
>>343772508
>>343772567
I don't mind any of this
>>343772546
>actively uses her bullshit to sway masses?
Like any other factions?
>>343772546
>uses her bullshit to sway masses
>she's a politician
I don't understand your point.
>>343770057
>God has not been proven not to exist, therefore he must exist.
But that is not how logic works.
>>343767995
>Specimen 46, Vat 7. Activity recorded M.Y. 2302.22467. (TERMINATION OF SPECIMEN ADVISED)
>>343773832
>belief in god
>logic
pick one
>>343774315
could you you provide an academic source on the inherent conceptual superiority of logic above belief? thank you
>>343770613
Lal is the only sane man who still remembers what the mission was all about in the first place. Everyone else were quick to abandon the mission and follow their own agendas.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Lva8L-J8x04
fucking nightmare fuel
>>343773832
That's the point. Zakharov is mocking the "logic" of Miriam's Believers in that quote. They are desperate to live in a universe that cares for them, so they make up illogical nonsense to comfort themselves.
>>343774454
No.
>>343774917
fucking lol didn't even think about it that way
Zakharov is so fucking cool
>>343772508
"eyy babe wanna fuck? IT'S FOR THE GREATER GOOD!"
>>343766728
Is that fucking Nicola Sturgeon?
>>343766906
Is this a game manual or a Scientology pamphlet?
>>343776294
GURPS expansion book.
>>343776520
>AYY
>>343766906
But nowhere in the guide you posted is it said that she's a luddite.
>The first living thing to go through the device was a small white rat. I still have him, in fact. As you can see, the damage was not so great as they say.
>-mr. science man
>not so great
>>343776851
Its called having fun anon. The reason why it was spoilered is because it didn't fit with the joke.
>>343770039
>>343770613
The point is that they're all highly deluded in their own ways, not one faction in Alpha Centauri is morally clean or even truthful. That's what the game is all about, and why the atmosphere is so dark and the planet appearing so cruel.
>>343771429
Aside from the fact that his society would be creatively barren.
>>343774604
He is kind of the most loyal, but he's also underhanded, using spies regularly, and despite his talks of peace keeping he is easily angered and gets in everyone's face about it — he respects the others as much as they all respect each other.
>You will never overcome the crass demands of flesh and bone
>>343776951
>sea levels will rise
wow, does that actually happen in that game?
If you build a coastal city you're screwed?
>>343777083
>fun
>>343776951
>Sea levels will rise approximately 1133 meters over the next 20 years
I FUCKING LOVE BOREHOLES
>>343777304
If you don't build a certain structure, yes.Chiron, Planet, is alive and if you're to harmful to the ecosystem it will get angry with you. You can, however, deploy solar sails to lower the sea level or melt the ice caps to raise it but that requires everybody to agree to it.
>>343777304
You can make cities underwater.
You can also build domes so cities won't get fucked if they go underwater.
>>343777304
If you have pressure tanks, your city will not drown.
>>343766728
>Daily reminder that Deadrie did not believe there was a God and it was all a front, she continued to believe to lead her people and dispair at where the Human Race was going.
>>343771968
One of my favorites. Feels relevant to today too.
>>343776951
> can you not spare 0 credits?
Bitch is asking for too much money, should have spend her pennies more wisely!
I installed the GOG version which comes with the widescreen patch but my game keeps crashing a few minutes after I start a map.
Help
Best event
>>343777638
>Deirdre
>leading anything but wormcock
>>343766906
>in the past 30 years we collected a few terabytes of data about the target planet
>2050
>terabytes of data are a lot
I just found that interesting.
>Zakharov
>Actively creating and stockpiling chemical weapons, creating hybridized animals and other monsters.
>Spartans
>Created an army of slaves, cloned with any defects removed by cybernetics, a slave caste that served the warrior caste.
>Lal
>A megalomanic that begins to use the massive , complex bureaucracy to maintain the illusion of democratic power, kills his competition and commits human rights violations in reviving and cloning his long dead wife over and over.
Do remember that each faction is completely different to what we think of them, the leader of the Church is not the religious fundamentalist, the UN Peacekeeper is not the democratically elected leader. The faction typically is but the leader has qualities that run completely against what they present themselves as.
>>343777717
pls respond
>>343777638
>>343777931
Fuck, Miriam. Got them mixed.
Don't worry, this ain't no SJW thing. Even the female leaders are covered.
We can even get into the expansion races if needed.
>>343779635
Is that Mathew McConaughy?
>>343779130
>you'll never play in a jazz band along with bro Marvin
why even live?
>>343777573
>>343777590
WOW REALLY?!?!
Man, I got introduced to civ games with civ 4 2 years ago, and then all I wanted was civ in space.
I REALLY didn't like civ 5.
I thought this pic answer my prayers...
>Forewoman
>>343776951
The "news" broadcasts with the chibi leaders felt so out of place, even when I was younger.
So, why was Miriam the most sensible one? Can you post some quotes
>>343772676
>undermines intellectual integrity in name of blasphemy
Good intents pave the road to hell. She wants to herd people into doing good. But she inflicts terror upon people to prevent them from blaspheming
>>343782436
>Some would ask, how could a perfect God create a universe filled with so much that is evil. They have missed a greater conundrum: why would a perfect God create a universe at all?
God is not great, nor does he care, nor did he create this evil filled universe?
>The Morgans fear what may not be purchased, for a trader cannot comprehend a thing that is priceless.
A subtle comment that the Godlyl can not comprehend that which is Godless?
>"We must Dissent"
Against everything, all forms of authority including God. This is the last thing a Godly person would profess, ever. Let alone have it as their most notable quote.
>And what of the immortal soul in such transactions? Can this machine transmit and reattach it as well? Or is it lost forever, leaving a soulless body to wander the world in despair?
No mention of God in the very process that you would hope it's existence for Project "Bulk Matter Transmitter", teleport technology.
>>343778379
>Implying creating animal hybrids is wrong.
Got something against mules anon?
>>343782436
She didn't fall for the 'Let's play god' meme
WHHHHHYYYYYY
>>343770057
Zak's our mac.
>>343783995
No more than any other crimes the other factions do, but Deadrie conducted human sacrifices and feeding people to Mind Worms.
The overiding message in SMAC is that no faction is entirely good or bad, they all have the potential to turn horrific within a generation.
>>343778303
Terabytes of possibly plain text, or close to it, is a lot.
>>343784325
If anything, the Believers got better as time went on instead of worse like everyone else.
Of course, in game they're utter idiots who nobody likes.
You might hate her, but at least she didnt happily tried to teleport ships (with terrible results, based on animation), build self controlling colonies (with even worse results) or abuse science in other ways. And based on her comments on one of technologies, she have scientific knowledge herself.
Miriam is the only one with morals in this game and you know it.
Yang has the only realistic vision for mankind's future. Only genejacks disagree.
>>343785103
Fuck off gook.
>>343785047
>who is lal
>>343769694
Gurps' perception of Cult of Planet and Hive have basically no redeeming traits.
>>343785287
A creep Pajeet, that's who.
>>343785287
Representant of dead, old world, of bureaucracy and paperwork.
At least he wishes for peace, I give him that.
>>343785287
>Despot that remains in power through assassination, murder and bureaucracy
>Continues to revive and clone his long dead wife
>Manufactures humanitarian crises to remain in power, does not fix
>People fooled in to thinking they are always at war
>Not the most grim fucking Orwellien faction in the game.
>Always being watched, told what to think and who to hate.
>>343785287
>muh wife
>>343785612
>Despot that remains in power through assassination, murder and bureaucracy
Where is this ever said?
>>343785047
This "Miriam is anything but a creepy zealous weirdo who's just jelly because she's bad science" thing is getting a bit silly.
>>343785364
Well, from an individual's perspective, they don't. If you're a PC, neither of those have a lot to offer you unless you luck out into one of Yang's ruling class. From the civilization perspective, there is some good about them but the only reason the individuals are with em is because they're enslaved to be, either by oppressive force or mind worms.
>>343780084
>>343784052
Beyond Earth has everything it needs to be a great borderline awesome game. It has the graphics, the music, the mechanics, the setting.
And it fucks up the story, the narrator, and factions. Not to mention the supposed "alien" world with nothing in it. It could be better if they supported it with more than one expansion, but nope, we only get one.
>>343785837
It does not state it outright but if you peice it all together. If there are term limits, as there are in every democracy, he overturned them and overruled them. No person in all of our history, was able to remain elected indefinately, yet Lan in his democrazy first has. The only way he can do so is by assassination, murder and political slander.
He is the only one espousing a belief based on democracy, yet always is in power.
>Once a man has changed the relationship between himself and his environment, he cannot return to the blissful ignorance he left. Motion, of necessity, involves a change in perspective.
This is a very grim quote, place it in a political context and draw your own conclusions.
>>343786478
Wasn't it said somewhere that he takes the role of an "immortal advisor" for any elected ruler or something like that, instead of taking part in actual elections for government?
>>343786415
>It could be better if they supported it with more than one expansion, but nope, we only get one.
how do you know that they wont make another expansion?
not that I care, I hate BE and hope it would die just to stop besmirching the name of SMAC I am just curious how you know
>>343784052
Hybrid affinities are better.
Purity/Supremacy is separation of man and machine. Meaning instead of becoming the borg you make mechs and power armour.
Purity/Harmony is forced evolution through genetic manipulation and whacky science shit that turns humanity into the peak of biological life.
Harmony/Supremacy is a complete abandonment of humanity with a combination of cyber enhancements and genetic manipulation to become something not even remotely human.
>>343786873
It's pretty much a given since Civ 6 is announced. The Civ team aren't going to split focus on making another expansion of BE.
>"Have I offended, $TITLE0, that you send me away?"
>"Hardly. $VOKI8, your DNA prints indicate an aptitude for the new psi training." A genetic diagram swirls into view on the holo, with the relevant portion of chromosome 21 highlighted. "Dr. $SHIMODA9 and his military ecologists have been breeding mind worm specimens in captivity, and they believe that a properly trained telepathi can be bonded to the nascent boil, making it an extension of the self."
>"[Become] a mind worm boil?" $VOKI8 asks, somewhat horrified.
>"Become? Not really. Control? Yes. $VOKI8, the military potential of this discovery cannot be overemphasized, and you are the only Talent I trust for such an assignment. We need brood trainers, $VOKI8, and I need to you be the first, the leader.
/d/ made my reaction to that very different from what devs would expect...
Im ashamed, really.
>>343786478
So basically you're saying because he's been a very good leader he must be a very bad leader.
And I believe that quote was more in relation to the planetary consciousness.
>>343786873
Because they haven't made any announcement since Rising Tide? Because the devs don't mention BE? Because nobody discusses BE in general and has been completely abandoned by everyone?
They won't release another expansion because the game is deemed "finished".
Which it fucking isn't. You don't go create a space Civ game based on AC and release only one expansion without fixing the base game first.
>>343786415
I thought Beyond Earth was mechanically a failure. I could forgive the awful narration and story if the game were mechanically good but it's just fucking boring. I suppose the total lack of leader/faction personality does come in this however.
>>343786875
How do you pick those hybrid ones?
I heard that during the gameplay, you get points toward each three main ideologies by actions and research, what makes you choose hybrid ones?
>>343786873
>I hate BE and hope it would die just to stop besmirching the name of SMAC
Wouldnt you want to have it get better?
Other devs wanted to make modern graphics SMAC so badly that they made Pandora, which didnt turn good either.
>>343781771
South Park was the new hot thing back then.
>>343785976
It's just /pol/shits spreading their modern crusade feces, they can't help it. They have to cheerlead anything with even a hint of fundamentalist christian sentiment.
>>343786850
I don't recall the exact title, but it was very North Korea.
>>343787058
Then why is the title of the work it is taken from called A history of social comentary? Regardless, no leader outside of North Korea is elected in perpetuality.
>>343786415
But if the only problems with game would be story, narration and factions, it would be extremely easy to fix it with mods.
If gameplay mechanics would be a problem, it would be next to impossible then.
I already noticed SMAC factions mod and some balance ones on Workshop. If you say thats the only problem, then it could be fixed already.
>>343787378
>Wouldnt you want to have it get better?
I just dont believe it will get better. SMAC had all these little thing which I am not even sure can be made within th Civ V engine without major rewrote. like actual tile height in meters which effects many thing such as energy production in the tile and rainfall patterns (in SMAC, if you build a big mountain range then the clouds will be trapped east of it and that area will become much more fertile farmland while west of the mountain range will become desert)
>Other devs wanted to make modern graphics SMAC so badly that they made Pandora, which didnt turn good either.
its no excuse to stop trying. problem is that everybody is too afraid of copying SMAC too much for fear of lawsuit.
>>343787378
>How do you pick those hybrid ones?
You get levels towards affinities depending on what technologies you research. To get a hybrid affinity you just need to research technologies that grant levels in the two affinities you want.
Hybrid affinity is only really for special hybrid units since there aren't any victory conditions tied to them. In the end you'll still have to go for a Supremacy/Purist/Harmony victory.
>>343787707
>no leader outside of North Korea is elected in perpetuality
FDR was elected until he died
>>343787908
>everybody is too afraid of copying SMAC too much
But thats what they did, basically, without naming leaders and factions the same. AI was terrible, tho and devs made it even worse quickly, with approach "it must be HARD so it will be HARDCORE". But it was not about AI being smart, it was about turning it into overpowered and hyper-agressive dumbass.
>like actual tile height in meters which effects many thing such as energy production in the tile and rainfall patterns
I actually never knew of that, save for minimal changes in energy production that I noticed once.
Is there an in-game explanation as to why the faction leaders live for hundreds of years?
>>343778303
Isn't this the game where one of the big advancements is cracking the Human Genome?
>>343788286
One of narration parts mention how you, as the leader, emerge from routine life extension procedure.
>>343788102
>In the end you'll still have to go for a Supremacy/Purist/Harmony victory.
But can I at least pick between two in case of hybrids or always the first one matters?
https://youtu.be/iwqN3Ur-wP0
>>343788286
Yes. Try playing the game and paying attention.
>>343788475
yeah, but dont forget that mapping the human genome was only completed like 5 year after this game was released.
>>343788286
Every 10 years or so you go in a tank for a year to extend your life.
>>343788286
They get put in a tank full of science fluid that makes them live longer.
>>343788475
>>343788680
oh and its not that a big achievement, its the first world wonder you unlock. their first achivement since colonizing the planet.
>>343788663
>>343788727
>>343788542
Thats cool. I just started playing for the first time and always play games on the harder difficulties so i havent survived long enough to get much lore
>>343788680
Yeah, but they also thought that mapping the genome would let you easily figure out which part did what whereas in reality we don't even know which parts are even active a lot of the time.
Turns out mapping a genome is pretty easy and not so useful.
>burn city so the enemy wont take it
>enemies get mad
>wait out the ban
>want to be buddies again
>everyone demands money
>fuck no
>they still demand money
>pay one guy to see how it goes
>other people start using needlejets to bomb me
>guy who I paid to be buddies turns on me since I fight with the people bombing the shit out of me
>fuck it, my few punishment sphere cities with max population and insane production start making planet busters
>planet bust the cities which house the needlejets that bomb me
>everyone gets mad
>move up to take the fight to them
>there is water between me and the most important enemy base cluster
>more planet busters to take out key targets to make the invasion easier
>everyone gets super mad
>water rises insanely fast
>enemy cities get swallowed by the sea
>the once mineral rich cities now are surrounded by water and barely produce anything
>only have my invasion navy left
>whip out a few boreholes on the few patches of land and make more planet busters to rape the few enemy strongholds
>water rises and pretty much swallows the map whole
>invastion navy can attack every city since every city is in the water
>few patches of land still left are constantly spawning demon broils
>win game
>map is 95% water with a few patches of land containing insane amount of mindworms.
>>343789132
SMAC does a good job trying to stick with harder sciences rather than stupid speculative sciences like Beyond Earth.
Even with the psychic powers, things still were relatively grounded.
>>343770039
She's a bit of a religious loony but she's also the only one who cares about the purity, well being and self-determination of each individual because they were all sacred to her.
>>343778379
Always one of my favorite quotes in the game.
Funny how it predicted the future.
>>343786415
>narrator
>>343787892
>narration
You mean the voice of the indian chick that talks when you level up/unlock wonders and such? Or something else?
>>343789527
Religion is key to humanist beliefs and freedom, as otherwise rights will be seen as given by man rather than God, and are therefore not holy and can be taken away.
>>343787469
>/pol/
it originated on /tg/ a LONG time ago, newfriend
back before /pol/ was your boogeyman
>>343789527
>she's also the only one who cares about the purity, well being and self-determination of each individual
who is lal
who is santiago
who is morgan
Miriam is the most militant, aggressive, and uncompromising faction. They're LITERALLY space ISIS.
>>343785287
The problem with Lal is that his playstyle doesn't encourage him to save humanity. Sure life directly under Lal would be alright but Lal isn't going to liberate the rest of humanity from the Yangs and the Zakarovs: he's going to reach a diplomatic power sharing agreement that grants them sovereignty within their own territories. Miriam's aggressive foreign policy on the other hand leads her to destroy all those who would destroy the spirit of mankind itself. Lal just ensures a small reservation protected by treaties and alliances.
Miriam is the only one who could save us all.
>>343785047
haev you ever built a teleporter?it has a miriam quote. She obviosuly doesnt care about a soul if it suits her purposes
>>343789810
Never to the extent it's promulgated now. Miriam was right about technology, not about all her other batshit beliefs.
>>343790019
>who is santiago
A war-hungry whore who will clone her most devout followers because she doesn't care about the individual at all.
>>343790234
> Miriam was right about technology, not about all her other batshit beliefs.
Which were?
Her having an aggressive AI doesn't mean shit because every faction in this game will declaire war on you for no real reason unless you are weak as shit and have the exact same social policies as them
>>343790019
>who is santiago
Are we talking about the same Santiago which clones her a cybernetically enhanced slave-warrior army.
>who is morgan
The guy selling all those purity-defying mods.
>>343789789
>Religion is key to humanist beliefs and freedom
>>343789810
>old-/tg/
I remember it so fondly. I genuinely lurked for years, simply because I loved to read and didn't feel like I could contribute. I was happy not to disturb all the threads unfolding before me.
Then the questfags came. Now I spend my days posting on /v/ and wondering why.
>>343790019
>Lal
Tends to win through diplomatic compromise. He's the Space UN, he'll let Space China and Space North Korea do what they want in their own countries. Maybe he will "unilaterally condemn" their atrocities or some shit. I bet Yang is terrified.
>Santiago
Literal military fascism with no place for compassion towards the weak. Only those of value to the military elite can expect to lead good lives. Sparta was shit.
>Morgan
Unchecked greed and oligarchy leading the destruction of the planet and moral decay as the wealthy feel no need to help those less fortunate than themselves.
>>343790019
Anon, what are you doing
>>343790312
>>343790390
How does cloning besmirch the purity, well-being, and self-determination of each clone?
What does purity even mean, even?
>>343790089
Yup, she comments in it, how the first testers forgot about the souls of the passangers. And in the end, she ends up right, as after emerging back, ships floats as if its crew is dead.
At this this method of FTL travel ended like in Le Guin books - no living thing could survive that.
>>343789656
Very much a Brave New World sort of phrase, beaware of those who would control you with lack of information but pay no mind to the man who could bury you in useless information.
For the record, it is not the future. There is no real Orwellian witholding of infomation from us, denying us freedom of knowledge. It is all available but we just do not care enough to read it.
We blame the Government from preventing public discourse when in fact it is us, the students, who wish to prevent public discourse.
We are choking ourselves.
>>343790674
cloning by itself, no problem.
cloning a slave army, that goes against
>>343790019
>well being and self-determination of each individual
and the cybernetic mods dont make them exactly human, thats transhumanism.
>>343790674
The part where you don't fundamentally fuck with their biology. At least without their explicit consent. You know, like genetically and cybernetically modified clones programmed to serve as expendable war assets.
>>343787042
>let her die because I didnt really focus on her
>you get a special text when the first tamed worm broil gets killed
>>343766728
That's my steam avatar
>>343790830
Do we?
I like to share knowledge, enjoy teaching physics and rejoice about the steady flow of students wishing to study mathematics, physics or related fields of science. Yet, I often hear how I should feel bad instead, because they are supposed to be my "competitors" for the job.
This is just sad.
>>343790402
>GOD-given rights
t. Every enlightenment philosopher
>>343790758
>And in the end, she ends up right
See, this is the dumb part. Yes the people didn't survive the tests. That was always a risk of the tests. But that doesn't prove the existence of the soul, or validate her dissent to fucking everything on a religious basis.
>Yang is a monster therefore Jesus is the light
>this self aware colony was a disaster that means AIs are all evil abominations unto the lord
>>343791048
>you get a special text when the first tamed worm broil gets killed
What is it?
>>343790569
but questfags got their own board now
>>343791385
something like:
>you see one of your most trusted talents on the slab as you confirm she has been killed
>you promise to try your hardest to make her sacrifice worth it
or something like that
>>343791167
In the social sphere, just as Lal means in the quote. He, nor I, actually mean the teaching of mechanical knowledge.
The way in which univercities are actively preventing free speech, requiring safety spaces on campus. Not allowing people to express support for one of two presidential hopefuls.
>>343790830
It's both, you dolt. Brave New World is the carrot on the stick and 1984 the whip.
>>343791048
>Capture a city belonging to the faction that killed it
>City gets renamed after her
>>343791738
I loved this and wish more games would do something like it.
>>343790758
"The first living thing to go through the device was a small white rat. I still have him, in fact. As you can see, the damage was not so great as they say." -Academician Prokhor Zakharov, "See How They Run"
This was what Zakharov had to say about teleporting.
now tell me, would you believe a biblethumper or a Chief science officer?
>>343791041
Yeah, much better to brainwash your citizens and send them to interminable holy war en masse the old fashioned way, like God intended.
>>343791436
It's too late, /tg/ is different now. I remember noticing that /tg/ was starting to move a little faster, but the post quality was also dropping a little. I was ok with it. I regret that now.
>>343791436
and yet half of /tg/ is still quests
>>343791298
The whole point of belief is that it dont use proofs - if it had logical proofs, it would be science instead.
She reject those things based on her morals and always ends up right. Its all that matters.
>>343791385
>If you live for a thousand years you will never forget the day they brought you $VOKI8's body, shrouded in planetcloth, burnt almost beyond recognition.
>"How did this happen?" Gruffly, not allowing the distress to creep into your voice.
>"Cooked by a flame gun. $ENEMYNAME6's men. Tried to surrender but they flamed her anyway. Don't like those worms, the $ENEMYFACT7."
>"I see." Your most loyal servant, butchered by $ENEMYFACT7. And only now do you realize that, subconsciously, you'd been grooming $VOKI8 as your heir apparent, the student who would one day replace you as master.
>For all the gene splicing and longevity treatments, all the manmade miracles of M.Y. $NUM0, death remains as final, as capricious, and as desolate as it has ever been. No matter what happens now, no matter what journey of wonder humankind now embarks upon, $VOKI8 will never see it, never know the end of it. And no matter how many centuries you continue to cheat eternity, you will never again have the company of your student and friend. And you cannot cheat eternity forever.
Game was pretty depressing in general.
>>343791894
>use a rat so no human has to suffer incase teleporting doesnt go right
>HURR DURR SO EVUL
Remember that we are torturing rabbits and rats with makeup so women can grab attention of chad thundercock
>>343791738
This kind of attention to detail is why my love of vidya will never waver, despite all the garbage being mass produced today.
>>343791436
you don't bring a man back to life by drawing out the poison after he's dead
>>343791894
What if Zakharov is lying?
>>343791649
>As the Americans learned so painful in the final century...
We have the easiest access to information in the World, in all nations.
>The once-chained people whose leaders at last lose the grip on information
It is a chain we have voted time and time again in to their hands and fastened firmly around our own neck.
>Beware of he who would deny you access to information, for in his heart he dreams himself your master.
That is indeed Orwellian anon, but not what we have in this day and age in which the game unsubtly alludes too.
Everybody with a high school education is aware of which is killing with kindness and which is killing with cruelty.
>>343791894
"Biblethumper", because mouse is not a human and animals dont have souls. She says it strips the body of its soul and she ends up right. As always.
>>343792138
What? where did I even say anything remotely against animal testing?
I said Zakharov says it worked in his test. Miriam claims it doesn't - who do you trust?
>>343792247
Its a possibility, but what if Miriam is the one lying?
>>343791920
>Miriam
>brainwashing
>>343792432
>Miriam lying
About what? "You shouldn't teleport because maybe it fucks up your brain/soul"? Ever read Stephen King's The Jaunt? Same shit could happen. Teleportation might not be good for your sanity or could erase your conciousness like a magnet on a hard drive.
And Zakharov might be lying in order to keep funding for the project. A leak about dead test subjects is bad publicity.
>>343792432
>I said Zakharov says it worked in his test. Miriam claims it doesn't - who do you trust?
Well zakharov shows a rat as proof. Miriam just fearmongers. Which I guess fits a religious nut. Just use authority and fear to get your point across
>>343792098
>She reject those things based on her morals and always ends up right.
This is /pol/-tier logic. She rejects EVERYTHING, it's was inevitable she'd be right a couple times. A broken clock is right twice a day.
>>343771429
kek
someone useless like you would be the first person executed for the greater good
>>343791298
The point is not that Miriam is right about the existence of God, the point is that her belief in God causes to protect a vision of humanity that is relatable and palatable to us today. She's not perfectly right, but she does have a lot of redeeming features that only become apparent as you get deeper into the game which makes her a fan favourite.
SMAC is a sci-fi RTS, how many players do you think identified with the techno-wary nun when they first booted up the game? The process of coming to appreciate her point of view is one of the stronger things in the game. When you realise that Lal is willing to compromise too much, and everybody else either wants to completely reshape the human experience in the image of their abstract ideology (if not do away with the vast majority of people altogether), it's quite a moment of revelation.
Her belief in things as ridiculous as a soul or that man is made in God's own image, leads her to feel compassion and obligation towards the entirety of humanity rather than just those whose qualities could help them achieve their objectives.
>>343792445
>literal theocracy
>not brainwashing
>>343791894
The damage was implied to be horrific on the inside. And it is implised to be the same with the human test subjects, very much becoming a horrific abomination of several people screaming.
Again, you can read all information at face level and have it as a happy story or you can read between the lines and take what must of happened to get there and imagine some horrific events.
Take the Mind Worms, to domesticate and tame them will have required horrific experiments to work out their limits. This is just the most obvious example, others are far worse.
>>343766906
To be fair, you need a certain level of distrust towards technology otherwise you get shit like the self aware colony.
>>343792828
>Liberal meritocracy
>Not the exact same thing.
>>343792703
SInce when is skepticism and caution "fearmongering"?
The Believers have no problem with technology that is confirmed to work. Science is about critical thinking, not "SHUT UP AND STOP FEARMONGERING"
>>343792776
>Her belief in things as ridiculous as a soul or that man is made in God's own image, leads her to feel compassion and obligation towards the entirety of humanity
is that why she's an aggressive, uncompromising warmonger
>>343792776
>a sci-fi RTS
You wot m8?
Its a 4X, not an RTS. Nothing about it is RTS.
>>343792898
Should she ever get that late in the game she becomes increasingly right about tech.
>>343792256
>We have the easiest access to information in the World
Not the information that matters
>It is a chain we have voted time and time again in to their hands and fastened firmly around our own neck.
Based on lies and false premises
>but not what we have in this day and age in which the game unsubtly alludes too.
Nigga you have massive spy networks and governments blatantly lying to people's faces stonewalling the shit out of shit they don't want known
>killing with kindness
>killing with cruelty
It's both. It's always been both. One does not exist without the other. Yin and Yang motherfucker.
>>343793000
Miriam isn't a warmonger in canon. Gameplay-wise, nobody agrees with her ideology and she's the odd one out.
>>343771429
All right, we have an overpopulation problem, this needs to be solved, kill yourself or we will kill you, as that is the greater good.
>>343792978
I don't believe so, no. There's a separation between church and state, first off.
>>343792712
>She rejects EVERYTHING
"The righteous need not cower before the drumbeat of human progress. Though the song of yesterday fades into the challenge of tomorrow, God still watches and judges us. Evil lurks in the datalinks as it lurked in the streets of yesteryear. But it was never the streets that were evil."
>>343792662
>Teleportation might not be good for your sanity or could erase your conciousness like a magnet on a hard drive.
And I ask you, where is your proof? All I know is that Miriam is wary of technology. which gives her a reason to try and slander that tech.
>And Zakharov might be lying in order to keep funding for the project. A leak about dead test subjects is bad publicity.
Didnt deny the possiblity that Zakharov is lying, but again - where is the proof? you cant accuse either one of lying with proof.
I have a simple proof that teleportation technology works, you can build those teleporter gates in game and move units between then without any damage taken.
>>343793226
Nope. That was made up by a Judge.
Rather, there is "Congress shall establish no religion." Which doesn't mean "secular state".
>>343793284
>where is your proof?
OH WAIT A SECOND, LET ME RUN AN EXPERIMENT WITH A TECHNOLOGY THAT DOESN'T EXIST TO MAKE SURE SOMEONE IN A FICTIONAL UNIVERSE WAS RIGHT OR WRONG.
Imbecile. Just watch the video where the ship's crew is clearly dead.
"We are all aware that the senses can be deceived, the eyes fooled. But how can we be sure our senses are not being deceived at any particular time, or even all the time? Might I just be a brain in a tank somewhere, tricked all my life into believing in the events of this world by some insane computer? And does my life gain or lose meaning based on my reaction to such solipsism?"
-Project PYRRHO, Specimen 46, Vat 7. Activity recorded M.Y. 2302.22467. (TERMINATION OF SPECIMEN ADVISED)
Love this one.
>>343766728
>>343766728
No Miriam, you must pre-order the remake.
>>343773832
it's more of a "this is how you think" type of quote
>>343793105
>Miriam isn't a warmonger in canon
But she's a moral crusader in the most literal sense, she thinks any human being outside of her auspices has to be "liberated" and incorporated into her religious state.
>>343793105
>warmonger in canon
her aggression level is put on high
>>343778439
compatibility mode?
>>343793453
>Imbecile. Just watch the video where the ship's crew is clearly dead.
I see something else, the ship never came through on the other end, only that ethereal silhouette of the ship which you really cant understand what it is.
>>343793514
What is this?
>>343793067
>4X, not an RTS
Dunno how I typed that.
>>343793000
Her warmongering is why she's humanity's best hope to go on living in a normal, happy way. Lal will resolve the conflict between the factions "peacefully" which means billions of people living under Yang in the Hive, and likely millions living as impoverished wage slaves under Morgan, to say nothing of Zakharov's test subjects or those who can't cut it under Santiago. Miriam on the other hand will destroy those polities and free their subjects, liberating the whole of mankind.
>>343793560
>Not being grateful for liberation if you live in the Hive
The only people who lose out from liberation are the people who lived under Lal and Deidre, and the elites in every society that isn't the Hive.
>>343793514
Don't do this to me anon, what is this?
>alien crossfire always turns instantly into a massive war with alium, most factions getting wiped out
>slogging through all the sea colonies make the war boring
alien crossfire was a mistake
>>343793226
But the Church is simply replaced with Progressiveness, he who is most progressive gains the most, not unlike he who is most pious gets the most.
>>343770039
>oh noes, religious leader is the most reasonable one in a vidya
>this is oppressive and intolerant towards my degenerate lifestyle
The only people triggered by religion are the freaks in need of an inquisition.
The factions in alien crossfire are introduced in such a dumb way.
>>343793102
>We have the easiest access to information in the World
>Not the information that matters
Which information do you wish? It is all there to be found, freedom of information requests are there to be used.
>It is a chain we have voted time and time again in to their hands and fastened firmly around our own neck.
>Based on lies and false premises
So we do the smart thing and vote them in -again-.
>but not what we have in this day and age in which the game unsubtly alludes too.
>Nigga you have massive spy networks and governments blatantly lying to people's faces stonewalling the shit out of shit they don't want known
You are able to request all information from the Government so long as it does not infringe on another private citizens right to privacy or national security. You are able to find out who pays for who in Government, who donates to what, who funds what but we don't care.
>killing with kindness
>killing with cruelty
>It's both. It's always been both. One does not exist without the other. Yin and Yang motherfucker.
The means are different but the end goal is the same, compliance and submission.
>>343794369
I believe Lan is very much a North Korean style democracy, presented as paradise to the outside world.
>>343792776
This.
I remember a distinct, crystallizing moment when I was playing AC where I literally thought "Holy shit, Miriam was right."
I was a hardcore fedoratist playing le science man and loving the epig sci-fi RTS but it just gets progressively darker and darker until you want to get off the ridebut you can't.
SMAC is, in my opinion, single-handedly responsible for undermining my blind faith in "progress".
Here's an excerpt of a good poem on the topic:
Technology will save us,
i have heard a stranger say.
The wonderment of science,
skill, and tools will win the day.
Our comfort and our safety
we may leave to wise devices.
And men who build and train them up,
will coddle all our vices.
they’ll see the future clearly
and avert all waiting dooms.
I think I heard it spoken in
Titanic’s smoking rooms.
>>343794369
>my luddite ways are superior, we're too scared to advance and that's GOOD
The universe doesn't bow to righteousness. IT goes on whether or not you can deal with what it gives you.
>>343790402
> rights, laws and freedoms came from barbarians and savages
>>343774712
Those fucking skulls, that sound at the start still gives me goosebumps and those fucking skulls terrify me, the normalcy of the room contrasted with the horror of death is really spooky.
>I never finished a game of this
I tried it multiple times.
You make it sound so good,but the beginning puts me off.
I will probably try again next week.
>>343794996
customary law mostly came from germanic traditions, yes
>>343794995
>The universe doesn't bow to righteousness. IT goes on whether or not you can deal with what it gives you.
Life at any cost isn't life worth living. Death is a part of life, and in fact the most important part of a good life is a death worth dying for.
If your argument is "if you don't behave like a monster you'll die a man," then that ought to be an easy choice for any moral person.
>>343794759
>tech is bad because some tech fails
That's what that poem is getting at. But if a tech ends up being more beneficial than sacrificial, it was all worth it. How many lives is nuclear power worth? Because I can tell you how much we spent on it, roughly. But here it is, standing to save us from our energy and pollution crises.
>>343784325
How is animal hybridization wrong? We've attempted to breed animals to have the most desirable traits for ages, is this not just an extension of our farming efforts?
>>343795089
This game is a trip. One of the best unintentionally but somewhat intentionally scary games I've played between the sound direction, faction lore and environment
>>343794995
Don't see where luddism comes into any of this, tbqh.
>>343795263
>tech is bad
Nobody is saying that. Nobody has ever fucking said that.
Blind faith that the big new gadget will fix everything, or that knowledge for its own sake is worth maiming test subjects, or that we can throw caution to the wind in the name of progress, is what is being criticized.
We might not have had a fucking Chernobyl if people hadn't been in such a rush to build the hot new thing in a dickwaving competition between superpowers and had actually designed the reactors properly, and if the staff running them had put a little less blind faith in their technological safeguards and used common sense and not fucked with the reactor in the first place.
Characterizing caution as luddism is just fucking dumb.
>>343795452
>you can't try that, it's immoral
>that experiment is sacrilegious
>teleportation will remove our SOULS
Granted teleportation did fuck shit up, but her fear of it was irrational before it was proven.
>>343790083
Mirriam simply wouldn't be able to compete, those who sacrifice morality for efficiency will always destroy those whom limit themselves due to their morality, Mirriam cannot liberate a land defended by cloned super soldiers.
