Let's get a Metal Gear Solid thread going
>>343597809
Okay.
Metal Gear Solid V is the most disappointing piece of shit I have ever played.
>>343598286
Can I get some reasons
>>343598286
Not when MGS 4 exists, it isn't.
>>343598286
It's unfinished, sure, and has some stupid mechanics like the hero/demon gauge or whatever, but it's a pretty solid game. By FAR the best gameplay of the series, it's incredibly tight.
Overall it's a 7/10. It has a few missteps but what's there is great.
>Playing MGS3 HD on my PS Vita with Fortunate Son bursting in the background
Feel comfy and good.
>>343598914
>presented as missing link in the saga to link the storylines between peace walker and mg1
>introduced a bunch of asinine elements to the story that no one gives a fuck about or are ever referenced in the future
>ruined the game's story just to say "s-see guys now it makes sense how you kill him twice haha"
Gameplay was fun though, first 40 hours went by like a breeze.
>>343599973
I can agree with these points. To think what could have been.
>>343598914
one that i can think of is that it explained a plot hole nobody cared about
>>343599535
>By FAR the best gameplay of the series
In terms of options, maybe. Otherwise, eh.
>>343600204
It wasn't even a plot hole.
>>343599535
I prefer MGS 3
>>343600352
to kojima it was
>"hory shet, how will i ever exprain why sorrido suneku kill biggu bossu twiceu"
>>343598914
Grinding soldiers.
Grinding materials.
Getting stuck on the side-op where I was forced to fulton a kid from the top of a tower.
FOBs being the same for everyone.
Boring locales.
Only 2 locales.
Kojima showed every single locale in the trailers using the exact same helicopter shot.
Why are there only two locales?
The story being terrible.
The characters being terrible, underdeveloped, or pointless.
You can shoot Quiet in the head and it changes absolutely nothing in the story.
Sally was shown walking in the final trailer - spoiling the surprise.
Now for the big kicker - Nuclear Disarmament and everything it and FOBs brought to the game.
Because of it we have:
Microtransations.
Hours and hours of waiting for guns (that are useless) to develop.
Soldier grinding.
Event grinding.
Daily login rewards and forced online connectivity (don't say it isn't forced - it is heavily incentivized and playing offline gimps your materials and base levels hard)
And after all that - Nuclear Disarmament is impossible because of
A) The nuke finder is bugged - will show people without nukes or nothing at all.
B) Phantom nukes
C) Konami actively preventing people from achieving it by skewing it so heavily in favor of nuke holders with the lockout times - possibly creating their own nukes on dummy accounts to keep it all going. If it ever ended their microtransactions would stop rolling in.
MGO3 -
Unbalanced, laggy piece of shit that is devoid of all charm MGO2 had.
MGO2 was an unbalanced laggy piece of shit too but I liked it more because of reasons.
>>343600515
I think people overstate that. I think it was more like Kojima saw it as a convenient way of working Venom Snake into the continuity without having an ending where he gets killed off.
>>343600259
>>343600510
Overall MGS3 is my favorite of the series (and my favorite game of all time) but there's no denying V controls better, feels more fluid, and is overall a more enjoyable gameplay experience.
>>343600757
It's more fluid, but it's pretty poorly balanced. It prioritizes giving the player a bunch of shit to fuck around with in the game's sandbox, which is fine, but it's not what I liked about Metal Gear.
It's not that compelling to me.
>stop playing MGSV in November
>got everything I cared to get (Parasite cartridges)
>a few days ago decide to boot it upon the ol PS3
>big update
>shitton of new stuff in the rewards
>there's even a new rewards column for doing side objectives in the missions and "Do x 50 times" stuff
>feel compelled to get deep into it again
Mostly I was happy that I could actually sell my excess vehicles, that was the main thing that turned me off
>>343601019
>It's not that compelling to me.
Fair enough, anon. I can understand that.
>>343600723
I prefer to believe that he woke up in a cold sweat one night, horrified, then spent all of his political capital and the careers of his co-workers on correcting the grevious mistake.
3 = 1 > 2 > 4 > V > PW > POOPS
Debate me, gentlemen.
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>>343600571
Those are some pretty good reasons anon
>>343598286
/thread
>>343601476
No debate here
>>343600571
You've pretty much outlined every critique I can think of.
>>343601476
That looks about right.
>>343601476
If you actually want to debate, I'm down. I actually agree with all of this, except for PW above POOPS.
I think POOPS is a bit more refined version of systems that ended up becoming bloated. Every unit has a purpose, and there isn't really required grinding at all. Spy unit finding new weapons on previous levels gives a fun reason to go back to them. Not to mention, being able to play as random soldiers (or great cameos and bosses!) was great and I don't know why they never brought the latter part of that back.
PW in my opinion added all of the elements to the series that I dislike. Active grinding. Terrible Hayter performance. Story going retarded in regards to tech level. Terrible bosses. The controls and maps are undoubtedly better, but the other changes are not fantastic.
I don't care what order you have the games in, as long as we all agree with the objective truth that 4 is the worst.
>>343601083
I felt the same thing when the sab update came out for MGO. I played for like 4 days and remembered why I stopped playing this piece of shit.
>>343601884
You know, you're pretty much right. POOPS being at the bottom isn't because it's downright bad, it's just, in my opinion at least, not as good as the others. You're definitely right about what PW brought to the series, but overall I enjoyed the story, gameplay, characters, and many other things from PW.
Also I'd like to point out that I think Ghost Babel doesn't get enough credit.
>>343601982
4 really wasn't as bad as everyone says but it's the only game in the series I've only completed once. So many things about it make me never want to replay it, chief among them that horribly cringeworthy proposal scene between Johnny and Meryl.
>>343602170
PW's Che wank was the worst.
>>343601850
>You've pretty much outlined every critique I can think of.
No I didn't because I didn't bother with these things but I will now.
Mother base being a soulless void of hopes and dreams:
- Only interaction with soldiers on MB is to punch the living shit out of them (Thanks Boss!)
- Pointless gem hunting - the occasional emblem part
- Terribly designed shooting range missions (holy fuck that one on the R&D platform.
- Cannot enter any of the doors aside from Paz/Huey's door - which are the only things on Mother Base
- Constantly forced into going back to Mother Base in between missions
- Pointless shower mechanic being the only tangible bonus to visiting Mother Base in-between missions.
- Why the fuck should I care about seeing Rabid Platypus saluting me at the helipad?
Missions:
- Break out of hospital (cool as shit)
- Rescue Kaz (Tutoria- wait what the fuck are those things)
- Kill this commander
- Steal this intel
- Rescue this hostage
- Go kidnap Huey
- Okay do pointless shit for 20 missions (Eli is in there somewhere)
- Sneak into this heavily defended mansion and pull out a native American shaman (cool as shit)
- Defend him from slushy zombie things (cool as shit)
- OKAY GO KILL SKULLFACE (whhhhhhaaaaaat)
Game was okay
>>343602451
I haven't beaten it yet, I'm in those 20 or so pointless missions. Just found Eli tonight. But yeah, I agree with everything you've said again. When they announced you could roam around Mother Base, something I wanted from PW, I was so excited. But like you said, all you can do is punch soldiers and do pointless shooting range shit. And fuck the R&D one like you said, only one I can't beat.
You're all right, anon.
Who else wanted to play as a young Solidus for V? Why the fuck did we get stuck with fake Big Boss?
>>343601476
MGS2 > MG2 = GB > MGS3 > MGS1 > MGSV = MG1 > PW > MGS4 > PO
Give or take.
I was hoping for an ending with more depth.
>>343602627
>>343601476
Pretty much nailed it mate.
>>343602794
Don't really see the point. Solidus being Venom wouldn't have made any sense anyway.
>>343602937
I don't want Solidus to be Venom, I want Solidus to be Solidus. Change the story so that it makes sense he's there, he already did child soldier stuff in Africa, and he's by far the most neglected Snake.
i downloaded a 100% save for MGSV on PC and now infinite heaven isn't working, send help
>inb4 just beat it yourself, cheater
i already did that on my PS4 copy
How the fuck do you get good at FOB? I've been getting my shit pushed in all fucking day, it's unreal.
>>343603029
Ah, but I still don't see the point. There's not much more to say about him. Not that there was anything left for Big Boss either, mind, but I don't see why butchering another character with needless expansion would have been an improvement.
>>343602846
Exactly this. It just ends after we're both Big Boss now. At least render a view of Outer Heaven from above showing it in disarray as Solid has made his way through it.
>>343603249
>At least render a view of Outer Heaven from above showing it in disarray as Solid has made his way through it.
What would this accomplish aside from fanwank?
>>343603247
I just wish it was actually Big Boss's last outing, not a "You're Big Boss - just kidding you're the Medic the entire time and you were brainwashed to think you're Big Boss! What a tweest! Did u rike it!" thing like what we got.
I either want it to be the real BB or a different character entirely. Since I like Solidus, the setting makes sense, and he's already in the canon and it wouldn't involve making a new character (like Venom), it'd be something at least sensible.
4 is the worst game in the series. Yes, even worse than the portable ones. I will never forgive how bad it fucked the plot of what was my favorite series at the time.
>>343603357
>What would this accomplish aside from fanwank?
Exactly that. Give me something to wank over. At least 4 gave me the actual Big Boss to wank over.
>>343603603
I am honestly a bit disgusted at someone naming Big Boss appearing at the end of 4 as a positive thing about that game. That ending was trash.
>>343603798
The graveyard scene with Big Boss was 10/10. Everything else about the ending was trash but the graveyard scene was touching as fuck, you're looking back with your hate goggles on. 4 did many, many, MANY things wrong but that scene was not one of them, friend.
>>343603914
Big Boss coming back to life with a contrived change of heart to give a Power Point presentation to Snake was touching? Do soap operas make you tear up, too?
>>343604136
>Big Boss coming back to life
He never died, that was Venom.
>contrived change of heart
What change of heart? He still killed Zero. He was as full of revenge as ever. He was an old man who never had any reason to hate Solid, and just wanted to make peace with his "son."
>power point presentation
You clearly didn't like the scene and that's fine, sorry to have replied. I thought it was nice. Cheers, friend.
>>343604359
>He never died, that was Venom.
Incorrect. He burned to death. The Patriots just revived him and kept him unconscious. But either way, up until MGS4 revealed otherwise he was very much dead for good. It was a retcon by addition.
>What change of heart?
You know, giving up totally on Outer Heaven in favor of admitting Snake was completely right despite demonstrating his overwhelming arrogance and egocentrism in his last appearance? You can argue that a 15 year long nap and waking up cobbled together out of your dead clones might make an impact, but nonetheless it felt jarring and overly convenient.
>>343604891
>Incorrect. He burned to death. The Patriots just revived him and kept him unconscious.
Was this in MG2? I was mistaken then, it's hard to keep track of things in the storyline anymore.
I guess out of all the things 4 did wrong this was pretty low on the list for me. Though now that you've picked it apart I can see why you hate it so. Man, why did these games get so complicated?
>>343605202
His burning to death happens in MG2, but even TPP's ending timeline states Big Boss is killed but revived.
>>343605462
It's been a long while since I played MG2, and I haven't beaten TPP yet. Also, it's been awhile since I played 4. I guess they really did fuck everything up. Anyway, sorry for going off without quite knowing what I was talking about.
