>playing shooters on a console
At that point you might as well pay someone to torture you.
I didn't even think of that. No wonder everyone just plays Toblerone on console instead.
played Wolfenstein on PS4 and got as far as the 3rd level before giving up because of the cluster fuck controls.
Killzone 2 was probably the last good FPS on console I played.
>>343585390
>Killzone 2
man fuck the last level
>>343585583
I was able to beat it on the hardest difficulty after 50 tries and actually cheered with joy afterwards which is something I haven't done since my childhood on the SNES.
I just spammed grenades and grenade launcher at those back doors at the beginning of each wave and took the rest out with the LMG and flame thrower.
>>343583528
A controller is most optimal. Keyboard+mouse gives you a disadvantage.
>>343583528
>he still takes damage despite not being in front of the gun at all
>>343586345
lol
you've got that backwards champ
>cuckwatch
Who gives a fuck about that shit game, PCuck
Some console shooters are designed with controller in mind and work fine
>>343586345
So how retarded are you exactly?
>>343583528
The thing with overwatch on console is there are weird dead zones and really bad aim acceleration that make it especially bad. I don't think blizzard really put much thought into it.
>>343586630
Designed for console silky smooth 20fps
>>343586661
Probably retarded enough to make a thread like this
>no controllers with trackballs
seriously, why they don't make controllers with trackballs?
>>343586879
Because trackballs are fucking shit for shooters
>>343586474
It's like using a fight stick for a fighting game. It doesn't really give you any kind of advantage.
>>343587039
Your joking right? Or have you never used a mouse for a shooter?
Its much more accurate and allows you to aim much faster. How is faster more accurate shooting not an advantage?
>>343586180
This story is an inspiration to mankind, somehow
>>343587021
not worse than analog sticks, are they?
>>343586765
Still a better game than any singleplayer PC shooter in the last 5 years, PCfat master race shitter
>>343587214
It's basically a placebo effect.
>>343587409
Doesn't change the fact its a gimped release of a game including the controls
>>343586630
Would be better on kb+mouse still. "It's functional" is the best gaypad faggots can hope for
>>343587469
>Placebo effect
Now I know your just shit posting.
Microsoft killed cross platform in the testing stages because of it
http://www.techspot.com/news/39738-microsoft-killed-cross-platform-project-because-pc-gamers-wrecked-console-gamers.html
There's multiple other tests done with the same result.
Developers are even acknowledging this. Then tell me why Blizzard is nerfing Torbjorn on CONSOLE only when he's not hard to deal with on PC. Why did ubisoft give enemies 50% more armor in the division?
Now unless your just shit posting please explain to me why there is overwhelming evidence a mouse is better for aiming.
>>343586762
They didn't put effort into because they knew console play would always be a casual shitfest. That's why they're focused on making PC competitive and and console merely "playable".
>"Ha, playing Overwatch on consoles? What a joke"
>tries to act superior when you play Overwatch at all
Come back once you play real shooters like ARMA and Red Orchesra kid.
>>343583528
You get used to it.
>>343587754
>Why did ubisoft give enemies 50% more armor in the division?
I actually want to know the reasoning behind this.
>>343587791
Its weird that they still messed it up. Blizzard does not have any experience with console aiming but they actually had the CoD devs help them with their console controls. CoD's console controls were always pretty good at least last time I had played one on console.
>>343587021
Uprising is essentially a 3rd person shooter with trackball aiming.
KB+M controls:
Good for FPS, RTS, MOBAs, basically any strategy game, MMOs, RPGs
Controller:
Good for everything else, especially platformers and "character action"
True or false?
>>343586345
>look its a fucking idiot
>>343587039
>yeah, he's a fucking idiot
>>343587993
Can't seem to find it at the moments but one of the devs commented on the ubisoft forums stating it was because of the differences with mouse and controller aiming.
Nice cherry picked WEBM OP.
And honestly, you could have picked a better example than that fisher price garbage.
>>343587516
Never ever cancer race kiddie.
Start a petition, its all you faggots are good at.
>>343588146
3D platformers play much better on keyboard and mouse since camera control becomes a non-issue. 2D platformers play just fine with keyboard only. 2D beat em ups play just fine with keyboard only. Shmups arguably play better with keyboard only.
>>343588297
I own the fucking game its not good
>>343588146
Only games I prefer controllers are platformers and any sort of vehicular game (Racing/Flight etc.). Only disadvantage of a keyboard is no analogue input.
GTA sucks because you need to aim AND drive.
>>343587791
It is a casual shitfest. And I hate myself for having friends that mostly play console shooters and force me to buy most of them there.
Here's a little secret btw. Torbjorn wasn't op on console because of the imprecise controls. He was op because console players are retarded.
>>343588171
Play me in any FPS of your choice. Use your keyboard and mouse. I'll use my controller and I will wreck you. It's guaranteed.
>>343588575
I think it's a little of both. The turret auto snaps which is fine when someone with a mouse can react nearly as fast. So naturally the stick is slower plus the person behind it is likely a moron.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=N-xHcvug3WI
>3:10
>3:24
>B-B-B-B-B--B-B-B-B-B-B-B-B-BUT CONTROLLERS SUCK FOR SHOOOOOOOTERS!!!!!!!!!!
I've seen videos of controller players fucking own mouse and kb players hard and vice verse, it's not the control scheme it's the player behind it, now fuck off
>>343588738
And I've seen a blind man hit a target with a bow and arrow. That doesn't mean that that's normal.
>>343588469
It's like you went out of your way to be as wrong as possible.
That's what you prefer and that's how you perform well -- fine, but it's not objectively superior.
>>343588738
If you look hard enough you could find an above average player who plays with their feet. Doesn't mean it's not a shitty control choice that isn't taken seriously by anyone.
The big difference is
>playing a shooter designed for PC, on console
vs
>playing a shooter designed for console, on console
People like to ridicule aim assist and other console shooter features, and arguably that's fair when discussing competitive play, but in terms of smoothness of controls, a game like Destiny or Halo that's designed around a controller feels great, the same way a PC-oriented shooter like Half-Life or OG Doom feels great on PC.
It's when devs port games between systems without taking the control layouts into account that things get ugly, ESPECIALLY going from console to PC.
>>343588957
You may be shit at the control scheme and get owned by people using it doesn't mean it's objectively bad. If someone can do good with it, then it's objectively viable.
>>343588914
3D platformers are better without a doubt, you'd have to be insane to argue otherwise. 2D platformers and beat em ups are about on par since you're using digital inputs either way. Shmups benefit from the precision of keyboard tapping and having all the directions available to you at once. Only downsides are that moving in a circle is difficult (not very useful) and that switching between up/down is a little bit cumbersome compared to left/right. That's it.
>>343588738
That's a lie. Third person shooters typically play better with a controller. First person shooters always play better with a keyboard and mouse.
>>343588738
>Using a fucking trailer of a game with auto-aim
>a fucking trailer
>>343587941
le trole
>>343583528
That's the reason why I like Battleborn. There are heroes in Battleborn which can be played perfectly with controller (Battleborn has also an aim assistant for controller). In Overwatch KB+M is a requirement.
>>343589402
>I like Battleborn because it requires less skill
>>343589205
OG Doom feels pretty good on console too, though, since the control scheme is so basic
The XBLA port is incredible. PS3 port less so because it has frame rate issues.
In fucking Doom.
>>343589210
Viable? Sure. On par or better? Fuck no.
>>343589468
How the fuck does PS3 have framerate issues with Doom 1? It's literally doom.
>>343589640
>Publisher: Bethesda Softworks
>>343589289
only because 3rd person exists because of controllers, otherwise everything would be 1st person
>>343589465
He's right. I'd rather play COD on a console before I play TF2 on console again.
>>343583528
I don't know OP, I've been playing Metroid Prime 2 all day and having a shit ton of fun. Just got sidetracked into getting the dark beam super missile and now I'm on my way back to Torvus Bog.
>>343588598
>>343583528
What's going on? The turret doesn't turn fast enough on an analog stick?
>>343587516
>its a gimped release of a game
Yeah anon, we know that thorpe is the fastest human being in the water, but did you know that he's still gimped compared to literally any fish?
>>343589918
Are you faggots forgetting about Max Payne? Go play that on a PS2, see how enjoyable that is compared to PC. For extra fun do it without slow-mo.
>>343588146
>Good for FPS
Feels retarded not to feel any feedback when I shoot a gun, so controller it is for me.
>>343590319
Max Payne is a Rockstar game, it was as smooth as GTA or RDR.
>>343590209
It's just some faggot with their sensitivity real low.
>>343590319
I exaggerated but most third person games are designed for a controller. There are a few designed for m&kb that don't make me want to puke while playing them such as the Witcher.
>>343590458
I'm not talking about the slow paced trash that's Max Payne 3, I'm talking about Max Payne 1 where you're constantly dancing around bullets and doing 180 turns all the time.
>>343590189
>desu senpai i could rek you in quake blindfold with one eye tied behind my back while using an nes controller
>>343590458
GTAV isn't smooth at all, dunno why they can't go to Max Payne or RDR devs and ask to borrow the shooting codes, they're literally perfect shooting mechanics, you can be amazing KBM or controller.
>>343590552
"Designed for a controller" being what, aim assist? Even Resident Evil 4, the best example of a game designed specifically for a gamepad, plays so well on keyboard and mouse that it's practically cheating.
![[feeling of being in charge dissipating].jpg](https://i.imgur.com/m66ETsD.jpg "[feeling of being in charge dissipating].jpg")
>>343590635
>with one eye tied behind my back
This sounds extremely painful.
>>343590918
Souls is probably the best example of a game designed specifically for a gamepad.
>>343590635
I mean real Quake, unmodded, so no TFC.
>>343590918
>plays so well on keyboard and mouse
But it doesn't feel as good when you don't feel the kick of your weapon.
I guess aspies really don't care for anything but the technical things.
>>343591113
The issue with those games is that the PC ports are awful. But even with those awful PC controls there's still benefits from playing on kb + m. For example you barely have to use the lock on since controlling the camera is so easy, so you're given more freedom of movement.
>>343590918
Movement made with analog sticks in mind. The movement that takes a second for your character to start moving or turn around. I don't want a cinematic animation every time I move. When I press W I want to move forward with no delay, when I press S I want to turn around with no delay. Fallout 4 for example, there's this annoying fucking momentary input lag or something when you try to walk or run or turn around that might feel natural on an analog stick where you can adjust your speed but with a keyboard where movement is either off or on it's just clunky. Too many games now have irritating "cinematic" movement animations meant for controllers.
>>343591487
It's not cinematic you retard, it's just regular fucking momentum. It feels retarded as fuck to immediately start moving at max speed in one direction without any sort of build up.
See Super Mario Brothers if you want to know what I'm talking about.
>>343591762
Whatever it is I hate it. It's extremely clunky to me. And only modern 3rd person games do it.
>>343590391
What, so you only play games with rumble?
>>343586345
>>343583528
>>343591963
Only when it makes sense to. Racing games I use a wheel. For RTS mouse and keyboard.
>>343592003
>>343592064
But as far as I know not every (or even most) FPS games have rumble when shooting, so do you just only play FPS games with rumble? Or is it the trigger of modern controllers you like?
>>343591762
Momentum in SMB is fine because you can carry it and rush through the levels, and it's part of the challenge of platforming. Momentum in TPS games typically just slows them down to a crawl and makes them feel shitty to control. Just look at Max Payne 1 and then compare it to 3. 3 feels like you're controlling a fat clumsy drunk. 1 feels very responsive and as a result there are a shit ton of manoeuvres to avoid bullets that are simply not possible in 3. All because 3 went for a more realistic approach.
>>343591279
Just get a gamepad and put it on your dick while playing on keyboard if you love the rumble so much.
>>343592212
>But as far as I know not every (or even most) FPS games have rumble when shooting
All FPS games that register a controller have rumble while shooting.
Also, having a trigger is nice, yes.
>>343591279
I'm surprised there isn't a RUMBLE MOUSE Razar or Madcatz shit since PCucks have tons of retarded 3rd party keyboard/mouses
>>343592454
>and put it on your dick
Fucking retard, what am I using my dick to shoot now?
>just do this
Or I can just keep doing what I've been doing since it feels 10 times better.
>>343592540
I'm not. The only reason those cunts are using a mouse instead of a controller is because it gives them more accuracy. Having a jittering mouse would negate that shit.
>>343592596
>what am I using my dick to shoot now?
Yes you can roleplay as a man with the deadliest johnson. Anything is possible if you play on PC
>tfw I play rainbow six on pc with a controller
>>343592003
Controller is just more comfortable sometimes. I play a lot of FPS games on PC using my DS4, even though I have a decent mouse and mechanical keyboard. It's easy to recline and relax with a controller, compared to hunching over the keyboard. If more games had good Gyroscopic aim like Splatoon does, I'd probably never play a single player shooter on KB+M again.
> Tfw no controller.
> Tfw I emulate and I gotta use the keyboard for everything.
Playing Megamayne with the keyboard gives you some dexterity, I'll tell you.
>>343586345
If only.
I hate that I can't get couch comfy like consolefags do. Fucking sucks in a chair, you already spend time in one for school/work so why do you want to keep breaking your back/neck?
The things we do for rts and shit like playing total war.
>>343592890
You can do what you're most comfortable with, but kb+m is a better combo once you get used to it.
Rainbow 6 is actually not a bad choice for controller either since its a much slower methodical type of FPS.
>>343593460
>I hate that I can't get couch comfy like consolefags do
Except you can. I did it all the time.
>>343583528
>mfw people dont know you can used M+KB on both ps4 and xbone 1
>mfw when people also don't know if using a controller, there's option to set your own control sensitivity.
i been using mouse and keyboard on my ps4 for awhile now. controls is way much better
>>343593506
It's a terrible choice (assuming he means siege)
That game is more reliant on headshots than any other game out there, you can't snap with a controller.
>>343591279
I'd rather be able to aim my weapon than "feel" the recoil through my controller vibrating
>>343594215
But people die within like 4 shots to the mid section anyways right?
I haven't played it, but from the gameplay I've seen most engagements boil down to who saw who first behind cover.
It definitely doesn't seem as twitchy as CS or CoD
>>343586180
Never managed to beat Radec in elite. I did the whole level except for the boss fight, looked videos and all but still impossible
>>343594028
Enjoy never being competitive due to input lag.
>>343587975
This. But I wish less consoles shooters relied on aiming assist. You can play perfectly without it, albeit slower than on PC of course
>>343592003
>hanzo, genji and roadhog
Why am I not surprised
>>343594417
>"feel"
lol
How much of a retard do you have to be if you think it's an alleged feel?
Fucking illiterates man.
>>343590391
Makes me wonder why some dumb ass company hasnt made a mouse with rumble
>>343594498
The game might be that way on console but on PC it's almost always whoever can click on the other person's head faster. The metagame is to completely ignore how much damage a gun does and only pick the guns with the highest fire rate, and put an ACOG on it.
>>343593695
What the fuck how, you need a lapdog and shit like that for it to work
>>343594994
How is my dachshund going to help me with playing?
>>343594914
oh no, you definitely feel a controller vibrating in your hand
but vibration never felt like recoil to me
>>343592003
is this the reason dva is so shit? because she can actually survive on consoles?
>>343594980
The meta sounds amazing. Real fun
>>343594994
You put your keyboard on your lap and your mouse at your side.
>>343595059
It's true it's not anywhere near strong enough, but it's the closest thing to it. Same goes for any simulation of anything in any videogame.
>>343594980
Christ.
Still seems to have a solid player base despite that though
I just platinumed wolfenstein and I think that is the last fps game I shall ever use a controller for. I can't believe I've been playing with this shit for 15 years. Good thing fps is pretty much a worthless genre.
>PCfag at heart
>Own gaming pc but grew up playing consoles
>Somehow I'm the only one who knows how to use a fucking joystick
Is /v/ just full of people who seriously suck at video games or am I just some kind of superhuman?
>>343595162
>>343595528
The one hit kill headshots are what make it so tense. But there is blatantly retarded overpowered shit like putting an ACOG on a machine pistol than can spray 17 bullets in less than a second and it won't be fixed because >ubisoft
>>343595884
Why should they fix it when you're going to buy Rainbow Six 2017?
https://youtu.be/q-oYqSoFBn0?t=6m6s
>>343595879
Which one seems more probably anon?
>>343595997
Exactly
>>343595879
>/v/ is just full of people who seriously suck at video games
Hmmmm
>>343588598
>>343590189
Quake is on Dreamcast and you can play with either controler or M+K.
You guys have no excuse.
Record it too.
>>343585390
Killzone 2 was so good. I'll always be sad that it was stuck on PS3. It sucked when all the servers just became 24/7 RADEC KILL COUNT ONLY though.
>>343593306
>If more games had good Gyroscopic aim like Splatoon doesYou could get a steam controller
>>343583528
I personally feel this technique should work. Bastion should have a turning limit or something.
>>343596698
He's already way to vulnerable as is. We don't need to make him worse.
>>343596304
Dreamcast was a boss. It had console exclusives, proper PC ports, and arcade ports. Too bad PS2 stomped all over it by being a successful DVD player.
>>343596698
In the beta he had a limited turning angle while deployed. However, he also had a reinhardt-style shield constantly deployed on his front making him functionally invincible to any damage from in front, he also still had the healing ability.
>>343597104
What we really need for him to be good again is take away the heal when deployed and replace it with a short term shield. Give him a chance to actually shoot people while deployed but also forces people to transform and move to heal.
>>343596931
Yup. Also was the first console to have online too. Sucks that PS2 had more marketing power.
>>343583528
Bastion has to be borderline useless on consoles.
Does that mean that Torb is better on consoles?
>>343596931
Still my favorite system. It was rock solid and, in my eyes, Sega never should have pulled. But Sega is known for 2 things - making/innovating best-in-class games and being completely retarded as a company.
>>343597747
Torb is getting nerfed on console. They're reducing accuracy
Timesplitters is probably the only shooter I've played that made good use of the controller.
