This is a public service announcement to all my /v/ folks in light of the GTX 1070/1080 vs. RX 480 Crossfire threads and discussions. Let me tell you and warn you, and everyone on this board/planet, about Crossfire/SLI. It never works. There is no support for it. It is the industry's biggest lie.
The games that do "support" it will end up getting fewer frames per second with the feature enabled, and the pacing between frames gets all fucked and inconsistent. You can have games render at 180fps instead of 100fps, but they appear choppy and inconsistent due to the timing between each AFR'd frame actually varying so greatly.
The games that support it *well* are shit games anyway (ie: Sniper Elite 3), and the big ones that should support it, don't officially (GTA V). When they don't take some time to support it officially, or when the title is a port of a console game meant to run on one GPU, the end result is constant microstuttering, flickering textures, visual artifacts, and all the other negative things you shouldn't experience when you spend twice the money on GPUs.
I had two GTX 660 Ti's back in the day, no games ever worked well in SLI. Thought it might be brand specific, and I'd never owned AMD stuff before, so I switched to two R9 290s. Same thing. Honestly, it's no one's fault but the developers'. The simple fact of the matter is that until consoles move to multi-GPU solutions, which I don't suspect they ever will, we're not going to see any worth improvements in performance with multi-GPU setups, at least without major visual artifacts/flickering/performance issues.
TL;DR - Don't buy mulit-GPU setups unless you're strictly benchmarking or using them for something other than gaming like 3D/image rendering. If you're a gamer, go for the most powerful single GPU setup until someone can get their multi GPU shit together.
>>343508874
you're scaring me OP
>>343508874
tl:dr dx12 and vulkan have native support for dual cards and can utilize them properly.
The only game in recent memory (last 5 years at least) that didn't properly support sli or caused problems while using sli like lower frame rates, is Fallout 4.
I have run nvidia in sli for ages.
It's perfectly safe with Vulcan and dx12 titles, which most of the games will support in the future
>get 2 7950's
>just werks
>never have any of the issues people talk about with cf
you niggers are doing it wrong
Anti-AMD posts are getting more subtle.
Have this upvote.
>>343508874
INB4 MAD MUSTARD TRYING TO CONVINCE THEMSELVES THEY ARE SANE PEOPLE ENVEN THOUGH THEY BOUGHT 2 GPUSthey are already here
even if OP is not right, you do not need to waist money on a single monitor set up. multi gpu MAYBE might work better with 3 monitors.
Also directx 12 is supposed to split half the screen to each gpu or something to make this stuff actually useful.
AMD is a complete fucking joke at this point
>>343508874
It's true. I had SLI once, never fucking again. It\s a fucking chore and disappoinment, nothing fucking works as it shouild. It's a real mess.
Unless you got a 1080 and still have more money to sink, never buy multiple gpu-s. But even then, just save your time and sanity and just let it go.
>>343509062
And then there's this "DX12 will fix everything" meme.
>>343509306
How much more FPS do you get out of games with 2 7950's instead of just one? I have one and may buy another. I bought mine for $180 back in November of 2012, when I look for one now they're $300+. Fucking why...
>>343509596
>spent $140 total on all these monitors
>spent $200 total on gpu's
>3x1920x1080
>1x1680x1050
>3x1600x1200
git gud
>>343508874
As someone whose gone from single card, to a X-fire build, and is now about to go back to single card, do not get a multi GPU set up.
All you will do is run into heartbreak and frustration as your most anticipated game does not end up supportting X-fire or SLI and you're forced to play on low or not even at all, or you're forced to wait for a up to a week or more before drivers can fix the issue.
>>343509596
Do you think a 1080 could run a 3 monitor set up?
I don't plan on multi monitor gaming, I'm just worried that having the two extra monitors will strain the performance of the game on the main monitor.
>>343508874
How else am I going to get my 4k60 fix?
>>343509840
>I don't plan on multi monitor gaming, I'm just worried that having the two extra monitors will strain the performance of the game on the main monitor
only if you have some weak as shit intel gpu
>>343509769
i mentioned vulkan too though m8.
it's one of the featuresets in both the API's....
>>343509062
>>343509218
>>343509596
Oh dear children, your optimism gives me hope. It is a false hope. Game dev studios and publishers stating that they will begin frequently releasing DX12 supporting titles (meaning DX11 with alt DX12 version) in late 2017 or early 2018 is no reason to have any faith in them. And just because DX12 will have better tools for optimizing SLI/Crossfire performance does not mean that they will be utilized, or that game dev studios will consider their effort required as a worthwhile cash investment. They've been promising the coming mass release of DX12 titles for 3 or 4 years now.
>>343509306
I'd say "no offense" if I mean no offense, but some of the worlds biggest try hards are right here on /v/.
>The kind of people who say "it just works" without ever having realized that you have to go into the nvidia/amd utility to enable the SLI/Crossfire function.
>The kind of people who never run MSI afterburner or another tool to check if both cards are actually being used, and to what end they are being utilized.
>The kind of people who are too ashamed to admit they spent over $1000 on graphics cards to get less accurate performance than a shit tier current gen console.
>The kind of people who say things like "you're doing it wrong"
>>343509848
GTA V is notorious for it's multi GPU issues. Just do a simple google search on people trying to PLAY the game, not BENCHMARK it.
>>343509163
Farcry 3 was really bad with multiple gpu's where if you played online it crashed after every game
>>343510071
>Just do a simple google search on people trying to PLAY the game, not BENCHMARK it.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=fJ1TQhSeF5M
What's the problem?
>>343510071
>>The kind of people who say "it just works" without ever having realized that you have to go into the nvidia/amd utility to enable the SLI/Crossfire function.
oh wow ticking a checkbox is so hard
>>The kind of people who never run MSI afterburner or another tool to check if both cards are actually being used, and to what end they are being utilized.
only absolute madmen actually verify both cards are being used
>>The kind of people who are too ashamed to admit they spent over $1000 on graphics cards to get less accurate performance than a shit tier current gen console.
only absolute madmen buy gpu's retail
smart people buy gpu's when a new generation comes along and the old ones get sold for cheap
>>The kind of people who say things like "you're doing it wrong"
because people are literally doing it wrong
>>343510071
m8 you can stop shitposting about dx12
vulkan also can do multi-gpu natively.
just install windows 10 you autistic fuck
>>343510283
>voluntarily installing digital aids
>voluntarily joining microsoft's botnet
>he does it for free
>>343510370
it's kind of obvious to why you keep shitposting against dx12, even whith the vulkan argument.
stop using multi-gpu as a spearhead for >dx12 lmao, when even vulkan can do it.
desu it's optional.
>>343510283
Here's SLI in a DX12 game
>>343510567
vulkan is still a babby api, along with dx12
>>343509163
You are either joking, or willfully ignorant. I can't think of a single modern game release that was just as good, or even completely properly functioning, on multi GPU setups compared to single GPU setups. Especially within the first week to month of release.
>>343510283
>shitposting
How does it feel to pay extra money for less performance, and bank your current PC hardware purchases on magical Messiah code that will never come to be as you've hoped?
>>343508874
The only people who even do crossfire/sli are people who don't even play games on their PC for more than half an hour a day
>>343510809
How could you? The entire day is spent figuring out how to get any game fucking working correctly when lighting or physics is only being calculated on every other frame of the AFR.
>>343510634
>gpu load 58%
so it evenly distributes the load and generates less heat/strain on a single card.
>>343510880
Plus you gotta figure out why your 3dMark score is 6 points lower than it was yesterday.
>>343510979
God fucking forbid. Now I gotta redo the whole thing. I'm calling out of work, I'm reflashing the BIOS on the mobo and the GPUs, and reinstalling Windows.
>>343510957
That sure sounds like a good reason to buy 2 cards
>>343510957
>consuming virtually twice the power
>getting less FPS
> can't hit above 62% optimization on one card
>these are all good things
>>343511070
...I cannot confirm nor deny that I have totally done this.
>>343511195
card only consume more power if it is utilized.
>>343510634
Rise of the Shit Raider is not a native DX12 game and a patch will not change it.
You gotta wait for games that are "DX12 or burst". Just like it happend with DX11 or DX10
This is all because of consoles. Devs will not bother doing anything that perpetuates the superiority of the PC over consoles because they are paid by Sony/MS to keep up the console parity. This is also the reason downgrades happen, PC runs the pre-downgrade E3 version, then it gets downgraded in order to run on consoles, and consequently the PC version gets downgraded as well, for console parity. Sad times in the industry.
>>343509783
I wish I could have a setup like this. Imagine the amount of threads I could have open at the same time.
>>343508874
OP is right except in the case of VR.
One GPU per eye is basically none of the fucky frame timings of SFR and all off the ez pz support of AFR and performance increase.
So in order to enjoy vr you can get away with other 770 or pickup two second hand 970's on the cheap.
Its a shame VR itself is stillnogaems
>>343511709
>This is all because of consoles.
Good morning Reddit.
>>343511749
>Its a shame VR itself is still nogaems
What about all the games that can be played already using vorpx?
>>343509783
>All of these monitors and desk space
>shitty ass logitch stick
You couldn't afford the extra $10 for this goodshit?
>>343511890
That requires actually adjusting settings so the tech retards of /v/ will not use it.
>>343508874
>SLI literally doubles my frames in _any_ game I tested it on
>Somehow SLI doesn't work
Stay mad, poorfag :^)
These are really tumultuous times in the PC gaming landscape, as it is simultaneously the best and worst its ever been. Console games are being shittily ported like crazy to PC, but PC is also getting more games now than ever.
It's like starving for so long, and when you finally start getting enough food to eat on a regular basis, the food is tasteless and not very nourishing.
>>343508874
This matches all of my experience with SLI (albeit I had that rig for numbercrunching not gayming).
Get the best single-chip GPU you can, and live with it.
>>343511890
Can be played with != made for.
>>343512112
Looks the same.
>>343510023
Features game developer won't bother wasting time on, because
>PC only, who cares
>>343508874
made my mistake 5 years ago not making it again
>>343512112
Games made specifically for VR are and will always be trash.
Nobody in his sane mind does multi GPU. It's just for tryhards who want to show off.
>>343511983
>32 GB
>DDR 3
Ebin
>>343508874
The fuck are you talking about? I get nearly double FPS gains in most titles.
>>343511983
>had two GTX 660 Ti's
>switched to two R9 290s
Not quite understanding how this translates to "poorfag".
>literally doubles my frames
kek sure it does faggot. I'm SURE you get 100% utilization across both cards in all your games, while simultaneously consuming half the wattage, and creating enough new energy to power your neighborhood, making renewable energy irrelevant while you're creating new universes inside your full size ATX case.
Try being a little bit self aware of how fucking stupid you sound next time.
>>343512346
It was so cheap anon, I just couldn't resist.
>>343512375
>humblebragging this hard
We get it.
You have more money than us.
>>343512334
Or people who aren't poor
>>343512419
>I'm SURE you get 100% utilization across both cards in all your games, while simultaneously consuming half the wattage, and creating enough new energy to power your neighborhood, making renewable energy irrelevant while you're creating new universes inside your full size ATX case.
Not what I said. I said it doubles my frames. I didn't say anything about power consumption. Maybe you should:
>Try being a little bit self aware of how fucking stupid you sound next time.
Poorfag :^)
>>343511906
>hardly every play flight sims
>bought it years ago
:^)
>>343512495
>Using all your NEET money on PC parts
Find friends seek sunlight get a shower and hit the weights you beta orbiter
>>343512468
Yeah, and? That's not the point. I don't care if you run the latest and greatest or decide to throw a second 760 in your system cause you got it dirt cheap. SLI is a huge performance gain, mind you it has some finnicky shit with a few titles... But to claim it doesn't have gains? OP is on drugs and he isn't sharing.
You'll get that dream job and join me someday anon, just keep working at it.
>>343512514
>Is on such roll of making shit up, doesn't realize that it would take ~100% utilization to "double his frames kek"
>>343509783
Those monitors must be shit
>>343512648
I have my dream job already.
I work with rehabbing abused animals, mostly dogs.
But it pays like shit.
>>343512662
Whatever lets you sleep at night, anon.
All I can say, that if I only use one card, I get ~80FPS in DS3, with both cards and SLI it's nearly 160FPS.
Maybe you should take your autismo pills.
>>343512605
No thanks normie, back to facebook with you.
>>343510183
>2 (two) 980ti
>Game runs at sub-50 fps
Money well invested!
my gtx 770 sli rig handles pretty much everything fine
dunno what op is talking about
>>343512846
>F-Fucking normies not spending all of their cash on new PC parts
>F-f-ucking peasants
Literally you.
Kek, gain height you manlet nerd
>>343512648
From my experience only a few games I play get an insane increase, most of the time I get maybe a few frames extra and alot of newer games I have to disable it because of worse performance or graphical problems like in TW3 even with temporal AA off or grass disappearing when getting too close in GTA 5
>>343512983
It wouldn't be all of your cash if you weren't poor kid :^)
>>343512714
>dream job
>rehabbing abused animals
sounds more like a nightmare... one that makes misanthropes
>>343513089
If i had one milion dollars every month and i still wanted to spend only around $200 for a graphics card would that make me poor?
>>343512792
Sure it does, bud, I'm sure you only tell the truth on an anonymous message board.
Except that SLI/Crossfire is notorious for causing input lag on DS3, frequent freezes every time the game saves, and the game didn't even launch with support for it. What now, faggot?
>I didn't experience the issues that are widely known and are still actively having solutions sought out.
>Even if I were telling the truth about experiencing these issues, which I'm not, I'd still tell you my SLI purchase was worth it.
![duh-funny-funny-photo-funny-photos-Favim.com-2213793[1].jpg](https://i.imgur.com/NrJOros.jpg "duh-funny-funny-photo-funny-photos-Favim.com-2213793[1].jpg")
>>343508874
>multi-card setups are shit and don't work like they should
duh
>>343512792
How about you prove it?
Screens are enough
>>343513218
It would make you a casual and that's worse than being poor
>>343512694
the only issue with them is they cause some interference with my speakers
stuff from pc recyclers is amazingly cheap, I can't imagine buying monitors new when I can get them for $20 used
>>343513207
I work with really fucking weird, jaded people that love animals and have a level of contempt for people that even I find unhealthy.
But nothing makes me happier than re-homing a dog.
>>343513294
With the amount of people considering buying them on this board, it is a completely valid thread to make in order to warn the slower of the herd.
I'm just trying to spare one person from going "Why buy a good card, when I can buy 3 or 4 RX 480s/GTX1060s". Poor souls.
>>343513278
>Playing Dead Space 3
normiecore detectred
>>343513562
Dark Souls 3
Way to expose yourself as a complete faggot, though.
I feel for the meme several years ago aswell, bought two GTX460s because it was slightly cheaper and more powerful then a single GTX480. Problem is, nothing supports it properly so I was usually gaming with a single GTX460. Always just get the best single card you can afford. The ONLY reason ever use SLI/CF is if you already have the flagship card and want more power on top of that (and are okay with it not working in most games).
>>343513278
>>343513330
Yeah sure. I'll provide some screenshots. Only for you guys to say "oooh nice photoshop you faggot, now prove it with video!"
There's no winning with you. Either believe it or don't, it won't change my smooth gaming experience for me.
>>343513497
Why do you care? Just let them find out the hard way. This board is full of unsalvagable idiots.
>>343508874
>he bought a 480
>>343509163
This.
As someone that bought one 980 and another later, I noticed a considerable jump in performance. True, SLI isn't 100% scaling, but you still get more performance with two cards than you will with a single GPU (at least in the case of buying two high end GPUs).
SLI is pretty useless if you're not pushing for 1440/4k at this point though.
>>343513960
>OC'ing your card when you have a 10 dollaros motherboard
His fault
>>343513960
Will they buy another rig for people who had theirs destroyed by the 480?
>>343513960
>>343514134
>>343514160
OP here. Not quite, still have the two R9 290s. Selling one soon, some guy on craigslist wants it for $200, which I find to be literally retarded for a card this old. I don't have a problem with money though.
Also, people thinking that I made an "anti AMD" thread are the ones who struggled with reading comprehension in elementary/primary school. Your low functioning autism is showing.
>nvidia driver destroys your GPU
>AMD steps up and have their cards destroy your motherboard
What's the next fuck up? Cards that kill you?
>>343513838
>SLI
>smooth gaming experience
Pick one.
>>343510634
>>343508874
DX12&Vulkan MultiGPU is fundamentally NOT SLI/Crossfire.
You can pair and amd with nvidia, and your integrated GPU as well.
It all comes down to per game implementation on the developer end.
The beztbthing we can hope for is that developers collaborate on how DX12 Renderers are implemented such that techniques can carry over.
I really wish AMD had money to push GPU open. Collaborative shit like thatvwould be really good for the end consumer.
>>343514242
970s are going for about the same ($200). Lot of people go the cheap route and upgrade to older flagships that drop in price when everyone picks up the "latest and greatest" so they hold prices pretty well.
>>343514656
>It all comes down to per game implementation on the developer end.
So it's worthless, because developers will always be lazy cunts.
>>343514839
Which is why GPU Open is a good idea compared to Gameworks.
If theres a lazy good solution that devs can copy and paste from and build from there, shits gonna be alot better in the long run
DX12 only games wont appear until at least two years from now and at that point the next generation of GPUs will be available for purchase.
Buy a GPU for the games available today instead of games you have no idea how the performance is in the horizon.
>>343514998
Thank christ someone on /v/ has a fucking brain.
>>343511546
>>343514998
Isn't Quantum Break a native DX12 title? Multi GPU support is also non-existent there.
>>343515204
Yes and it performs like garbage, DX12 isn't some kind of magic bullet that will increase a game's framerate.
>>343514998
>buy a product you know fully well only has 2 years of use
>>343514242
970 and 390 are going down in price due to the 480 being $200 and performing like them or better.
Fury X was also brought down to like $450 to compete with the 1070. The same will probably happen with the Nano and 390x. Then there's the upcoming 1060.
Great time to get into PC gaming even if you're on a budget.
>>343509062
Are you trying to trick me? Like with those Doom 3 ready videocards?
Futureproofing is the worst kind of bullshit you can sell to anyone.
>>343514957
TBF, Open anything is always a smart choice. Intelligent and dedicated people who make things with purpose will always produce something better than a team of hired college hipsters with their simple book knowledge. The exception being elite corporate teams.
>>343514656
>It all comes down to per game implementation on the developer end.
The you're fucked.
You think devs that almost always cater to lowest common denominator hardware when developing (read, console parity) will bother wasting a minute of their time or a dollar of their budget to make their games work in MultiGPU scenarios, which is probably less than 0.1% of their potential market?
>>343515485
It won't be "out of use" in two years you would simply either turn your settings down or buy a new GPU. This isn't rocket science, you save a dollar a day and in two years you can buy whatever flagship card there on offer.
>>343515485
You are implying GPUs stay relevant for much longer than that
>>343515702
Read
>>343514957
Devs are basocally having to start from square on with the new APIs, having open source implementations that hace allready been audited and show the correct way to conform to Dx/vulkan spec are going to make things alot easier.
>>343515702
http://www.dvhardware.net/article62779.html
>300k people use multi-gpu setup
That's not much.
I totally agree with OP, crossfire is a bad choice for gamers. All you get is hotter temps.
>>343515967
You do realize most of us, actually tech savvy people don't freely give our info to gaben, google and M$, right? Why the fuck do you plebs allow the botnet to see everything you own, view, say etc?
>>343516561
Who cares? Your not doing anything wrong are you?
>>343516740
That isn't the point. I'm not interested in giving people free marketing research. Why are you?
>>343512792
Average fps doubling doesn't mean shit with SLI/CF when frame pacing issues are extremely common. It's actually possible for your average frame rate to nearly double without getting an actual performance increase.
>>343517334
Its funny to think of how many SLI/Crossfire owners are going to be permanently changed after reading this thread, thinking for possibly years that because their FPS counter told them they were getting twice the frames, that they were actually getting twice the performance.
Forever changed, you fucking retards. Feel that deep, internal shame.
>>343517945
*tips fedora*
REMINDER THAT YOU GET WHAT YOU PAY FOR
>>343517480
>>343517480
>>343517480
>>343508874
Solid advice
>>343508874
> It never works.
Of course it works. It just doesn't do what you think it does.
SLI is a mechanism by which the user is persuaded to buy several of the most expensive graphics cards available (featuring the same circuitry as cheaper models but with fancy decorative shells) and then shell out even more money for a connector.
>>343521714
It's a conspiracy!
>>343522485
"There's a sucker born every minute."
-Popularly attributed to P.T. Barnum, actually said by David Hannum criticizing P.T. Barnum
>>343511729
My old job had about 20 monitors and machines.
I turned the store into a news center during the boston manhunt.
>>343522887
"There's a conspiracy born every minute."
-(You)
>>343511709
If anything pcs are to blame, how can they make sure the game runs well on millions of different configs? They cant, dont and wont.
>>343524662
There is more homogenization in the PC hardware marketplace than there ever has been in the past. This doesn't completely refute your point, but it does speak against it.
