Why did they never bother to buff her?
She was one of the weakest characters at launch, and is even worse now.
>>343465378
Because they know there's always some triplenigger waiting to perfect every single aspect of the character, and the only people who care about Jigglypuff are similar tripleniggers, so there's no point in changing it.
>>343465378
because fuck rest
>>343465575
So essentially, people were going to get good with her if she had potential, therefore she needed to be as bad as possible?
That's complete bullshit.
Because she's along with Ganon "the epic disrespect character"
Too bad since buffing Puff is piss easy.
>>343466020
no it's just no one cares except them. and you.
>>343465378
>muh tiers
Unless you are a top level player, it doesn't matter. Git gud and you can still beat the average jackoff
>her
>>343465378
>her
???
>>343466020
No, it's because Jigglypuff was a joke to begin with, then extremely competitive tripleniggers with extremely competitive natures took it as a challenge to get good with the character and did so, turning it into a way of shitting on other people. Consequently, nobody actually gives a fuck about Jigglypuff except for extremely competitive tripleniggers who like to shit on people for the sake of shitting on them with Jigglypuff. So it doesn't make any sense to buff a character, who extremely competitive tripleniggers see as a way to make themselves look good by playing with a shit character, that only extremely competitive tripleniggers care about because it's a shit character in the first place. Buffing Jigglypuff would ruin the fun of shitting on people for the extremely competitive tripleniggers. So they don't buff it.
>>343466742
Character balance matters on more than only top level play, it's quite apparent when you compare a character like Zelda to any of the DLC characters, who are all faster, inflict more damage, kill earlier, and have more reach.
The balance in this game is a joke.
>>343465378
Because it is supposed to be shit.
It's only high tier in Melee because it's one of the characters that benefits from its engine the most, Brawl was supposed to teach people this, but they kept insisting on using a joke character.
oh, and
>her
It's a pokemon. Pokemon are "it"'s; Pikachu is an "it"; Mewtwo is an "it", and so are Lucario, Greninja and Charizard
>>343468625
Pikachu in Smash is male.
>>343468625
>It's only high tier in Melee because it's one of the characters that benefits from its engine the most,
Actually I think it's because they gave the joke character role to Pichu.
http://sourcegaming.info/2015/10/13/news-flash-smash-bros-dojo-jigglypuff/
Here Sakurai states that he intended Jiggs to be intentionally weak on purpose and in Melee, because they included Pichu to fulfill that role, he went ahead and buffed Jiggs.
The two post-64 games that don't have Pichu as a playable character are also the games where Jiggs is complete bottom tier trash. Coincidence? I think not.
>>343467002
>>343467421
> Implying
> When EVERY fucking outfit SHE wears is female
Kill yourselves, trapfags. I bet you STILL think Sheik is a boy.She isn't
Cause she took the spot of a more deserving normal Pokemon.
At this point, I'm completely convinced that the balance team is fully aware that Jigglypuff sucks and the only reason they haven't buffed her is because they think it's hilarious when people get mad about it.
>>343465378
Igglybuff would be an even worse addition than Pichu.
>>343471136
vee are a bunch of fucking faggots
>>343470079
Jigglypuff is Fairy type, retard.
>>343470079
Agreed, actually.
>>343468625
Nah man you can argue that about mewtwo but all Pokemon have genders, it's ambiguous what gender zard ganja and jiggs are but pikachu in smash is decidedly male because female pikachus have heart tails see pika-libre in Pokken
>>343465674
What's wrong with rest?
I always saw Jigglypuff as a boy.
Especially the one in the anime.
It gives me a Kirby vibe.
>>343468625
Pikachu is a "he" because no heart tail.
>>343465378
>tr4sh
You know, since Hal went out of the way to make Robin Male and Female, all the Koopalings and Alph, they could have made like, Pichu, Raichu and Pika-Libre as Alt Skins for Pikachu and Iggybuff and Wigglytuft as alt skins for Jiggly. Hell, we can even say Wiggly is the guild master from Mystery Dungeon.
>>343467489
But Jigglypuff was above average in 64 and amazing in Melee.
She has also always been a very fun character, too.
>>343474060
They also made Corrin Male/Female.
>>343473734
Give me an artist name at least
>kicks ass in melee
>decent in 64
>sucks in every other game because LOL JIGGLPUFF IS A MEME CHARACTER!!1!!11!
>>343474737
Manmosu Marimo. One of the best kemoshota artist out there IMO.
>>343474060
If Hal actually made the game they probably would have done that but because the game was designed by sakurai his autism didnt allow it.
>>343474060
Pokemon Company is notoriously strict with how other people can use its IP. Pikachu only has hats for the same reason Sonic and Pacman only change their glove colors.
>>343475216Blue ArmsPikachu alt when
>>343474060
Raichu, Wigglytuff, and others have drastically different anatomy from Pikachu/Jiggs, unlike the different gendered Robin/Corrin/Villager/WFT
>>343469378
No, it's because you can air dodge repeatedly in brawl and 4, also, her back air isn't as good and rest doesn't kill as early. If the air dodging mechanics were exactly like Melee's she would be miles more useful.
>>343474393
she was deliberately designed as a joke character. The devs didn't know she'd be that good.
>>343475737
This
They could have gotten away with a libre alt for pikachu though I would be hype for that
>>343475737
I'd like to point out the Koopalings.
Some characters have to be bad.
>>343465378
So nobody will miss her when she's cut next game
But dem aerials and active hitboxes.
>>343476215
I'd be pissed if this was true jiggs might be crap in this game but jiggs is a staple of the series. One of the og 12 should be enough but I'd be sad if we lost hype ass rest reads or how funny the shield pops are
>Move that puts opponent to sleep at close range
>Extremely powerful attack move that with a hitbox that requires you to be on top of your opponent to use
Jigglypuff is fundamentally flawed and should have been cut after the first game. The only reason anyone gives a shit about it is because it was viable by complete accident in Melee but even then it wasn't fun to watch.
>frame advantage on shields
>lower rest kill %
Just these two buffs are able to make jiggs at least mid-tier and maintain the essence that she was in melee.
objectively GOAT amiibo
I think that her rest is fine it doesn't kill as early as I used to but it's fucking huge in 4 compared to previous games. Her biggest problems is that she can't really pressure shields effectively and loses fucking hard to projectile camp which is like half the cast now. She also has like crap tastic throws so there's that.
>>343465378
Because Smash isn't balanced around being competitive.
>>343476951
Pound should be safe on shield as well. Or at least kill earlier.
Characters I'd like in Smash:
Fat Hockey Player from NES Hockey
Plum from Mario Golf
Takamaru
Yakuman Player
Jimmy T
Lana
Poochie
Starman and the Amazon from NES wrestling
Meowth
Tamagon
Does Sm4sh Jiggly have any Rest set ups?
>>343474060
They could have made Captain Rainbow a skin for Falcon, Urban Champ for Lil Mac,
>>343476116
The Koopalings are an example of why it doesn't work though.
The only difference between the Koopalings is the head, they all use Bowser Jr's body which looks weird as fuck. It's hidden by the clown car 99% of the time though so Sakurai decided to just let it slide. If there was no clown car then the Koopalings wouldn't have been alts for sure.
Even Alph looks weird because they forced him to fit Olimar's proportions.
>>343478430
utilt
dair
weak fair
shuair
>>343478140
>move that breaks shields after 2 jabs from puff
>being safe on shield
Fuck that.
>>343478959
How safe are they option wise?
>>343478430
A few, but they are quite bad, and most don't kill.
>>343478797
>all Bowser Jr's body
>Iggy is fucking tiny compared to Morton
>>343467996
>kill earlier
Well that's just straight up not true. Kill power is the one thing she does have. She has no setups, her sweetspots are microscopic and her neutral is nonexistent, but she can kill stupidly early.
>>343479016
unsafe, like most of Puff's moves.
>>343479016
Not really since most of these only work at low percents and rest doesn't kill too early. It is better to bait people into doing something like rolling, air dodging or do a move with quite some lag to go for the kill.
>>343476951
You're missing two more things:
>Aerial Speed equivalent to Limit Break Cloud
>Actually good hitboxes
>>343479121
Fair is pretty good at least.
>>343479541
Puff has ok hitboxes IMO
Nair lasts about 30 frames hit box wise, dsmash is disjointed, bair is disjointed, utilt is disjointed.
>>343474060
>HAL
The last Smash game that HAL made was Melee.
>>343479927
Yes, her hit boxes are pretty good, Pound's hit box is ridiculously good. I play Puff at locals and have a lot of fun with her
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=gCSADfSQd40
>>343479985
Except, you know, they helped with Brawl and 4.
They probably didn't want to buff her because she easily shits on people in for glory
>>343479012
Shields regenerate so fast in 4 that it doesn't matter, it needs to do more damage and break more shields to be viable.
>>343480379
Not when lag & Cloud exists
>>343465378
Maybe you should just stop being such a memester tryhard faggot? I dunno.
>>343479985
>>343480196
>>343474060
The same team that made 64 and Melee is with Sakurai at Sora.
The Hal you know right now doesn't have that team anymore. It's mostly a bunch of newer guys.
It's why Smash is always done with bigger teams now since Hal is too small
>>343480379
For Glory robs her of her main killing tool, mate.
>>343465378
Hey at least she wasn't nerfed like DDD
>>343465378
What's funny is she's even worse with customs.
She finally is a true joke character.
>>343481648
DDD's nerf was nothing considerable
>>343480131
Not bad man, sucks your rest backfired.
>wanting to watch hungrybox in smash 4 as well
>wanting to watch hungrybox vs dabuz finals
FUCK OFF
>>343483141
Made it harder to follow up with dthrow stuff and so on. Plus his projectile got easier to reflect.
>>343483907
Better be doomed to watch Hungrybox than to have my main be useless while everyone else's is getting buffed.
>>343465378
Feelsgreatman
Fuck any faggot that mains LE EPIC PINK PUFFBALL OF DOOME
Jiggmains are all the same, they all just run away and spam her super safe aerials and never actually engage
>>343485795
>character that dies at 30%
>has a limited ground game
>doesn't get directly up close in combat and uses the tools it has
Wow bet you are just great to hang around.
>>343485795
Considering she's one of the characters with the most limited approaches in the game, you're really a shitter if you always expect her to engage.
