Why is it so hard to find a pretense to start an Ace Attorney thread in this day and age?
Honestly nayuta pretty hot.... anyone agree?
The novelty has kinda worn off
>>343431293
It's the last bastion of Capcom not being shit.
>>343431669
Eh. I feel like the series lost something after the OG trilogy. You know what I'm saying?
>>343431826
You don't have to keep buying new ones if that's how you feel.
The best game was from that era, though, I won't deny it.
>>343429937
I guess nobody wants to get spoiled on AA6.
>>343432168
That's probably what's going on, honestly.
Though I feel like once we can play it, there's just going to be a lot of bitching.
>>343429937
What is there left to discuss before AA6 comes out in English? That's why.
>>343430742
I'd fuck Rayfa's dad
>>343432343
Best girl
![1603f884ec9b96a206efc055ba434af4[1].jpg](https://i.imgur.com/FS5U0ea.jpg "1603f884ec9b96a206efc055ba434af4[1].jpg")
>it took this long for a picture of Rayfa's pantsu
Is this series really as popular in Japan as I perceive?
>>343432248
If DD's anything to go by, there's gonna be the initial months of hype and right after that people will start bitching about it, calling it the worst AA game to date, and defending DD.
>>343433415
AA always had way more gay porn than straight.
>>343433454
Are we on the Zelda cycle?
>>343432248
I heard it unfucks a lot of the shit DD pulled.
>>343433393
Please post more my fellow paisano!
>>343433638
DD's problems were over-emphasizing Athena and maybe being too friendship-focused.
Also it was easy.
>>343433694
Yeah. It took out all of that. Apollo takes on the final boss alone.
![latest[2].png](https://i.imgur.com/XoPjWoH.png "latest[2].png")
>she wants to go to the gym after work
Do you join?
>>343433694
A lot of the games have over emphasized the assistant, though. So why is it that only DD gets shit for it? I will admit that Athena works way better an attorney than an assistant, though
>>343433638
DAI GYAKUTEN SAIBAN ENGLISH WHEN
>>343433949______SOON
>>343433843
I guess it's because of her child prodigy attributes.
>>343433949
>>343433596
I think so, at least after the original trilogy, yes. I remember everyone hating AJ when it came out and then when DD came out everyone started looking back at AJ favorably.
I've personally pretty much loved all of the games but I DO think that DD is the worst entry in the series, though I sadly haven't played DGS (spinoff or not, it's in the same vein). It's the most hand-holdy bullshit with some of the least memorable cases and the insulting final case. Athena is intolerable. The only up-side is Apollo going full Raiden and Blackquill.
I'm currently doing a playthrough on the HD trilogy, which looks fucking amazing, and I'm on the last case of JFA but not feeling like continuing even though I already made it through the horrible cringey 3rd case and am about to do the best case. I'm not sure what's turning me off.
>>343434163
I don't get why you'd call DD the worst game in the series when AJ and AAI exist.
>>343434376
JFA is less interesting than AJ. AJ at least has a stellar soundtrack and good characters. JFA has a lousy soundtrack and a really tepid climate until the final case (which is sort of overrated as well).
>>343429937
You gotta start with shitposting about how either AJ or DD ruined the series.
Also threads are going to be dead until Fall thanks to AA6 spoilers lingering around.
>>343433539
Really? I've found it very difficult to find beefcake/softcore shit of the guys, which is the only thing I'll save on my computer because I'm a faggot bitch.
Godot is a top-tier husbando and I can find almost nothing good of him. Checked booru and tamblr, almost no sexy Godot and I've been looking for years.
>>343434515
I actually don't know why I made this thread. I feel like some keklord is lurking around waiting for the perfect moment to post a picture of all the culprit breakdowns or some shit.
>>343434515
Starting with waifubait also works.
>>343434526
By gay porn I meant shit that fujos shlick to. Male artists mostly draw Gumshoe and the like. Also, enjoy: http://i.imgur.com/JtpxVGR.jpg
>>343434376
AAI is weak but it insulted me less than DD. The last case made me angrier than the 3rd case in JFA makes me cringe. I have never gotten the hate for AJ. It had Naruhobo and Trucy = automatic pass. JFA only sneaks by as not the worst entry because of the final case turning the formula on it's head and presenting you with a dilemma Phoenix had not even considered until then; your client may be guilty.
I think that case alone, overrated as it may be, saves JFA from being the worst AA game.
>>343434810
DD had some interesting cases like case 3, the DLC case and the fourth case.
AAI on the other hand is a total borefest until the fourth case.
>>343431826
I dunno, I feel like Dual Destinies is better than 2 for example.
1 will forever be the best as both original finale (1-4) and DS exclusive chapter (1-5) were great. 3 is beautifully executed too with everything being neatly connected.
2 I feel only had one good chapter (the final one) and it wasn't even that good, it was alright. The circus one was miserably boring and the other non-tutorial one was decent at best.
>>343434376
What are AAI's flaws? I enjoyed it a lot
>>343429937
Ace Attorney Online is a good pretense, and it needs more players.
Check out the /vg/ thread for more information.
>>343434376
Was AAI really that bad? I only played it once when it came out and don't remember it being particularly offensive, yet everyone seems to hate it. At least I know 2 was great since I played it recently and can still remember it very well.
>>343435029
Not him IMO but the first Investigations is just generally...average. On one hand, there aren't any shitpiles like 2-3, but on the other hand there's nothing really godtier like 2-4. The overly-long final boss confrontation is a love-it-or-hate-it thing, as well. Same goes for Kay.
>>343435029
>>343435262
It's boring and forgettable as shit. I only really enjoyed AAI-4 due to character interactions and Yew and AAI-5 due to the shit Alba pulled and Yew returning.
>>343435417
Also, I can generally recall what happened in each AA case fairly well but I ask me about AAI-3 and I wouldn't know what to tell you about it since it's just that fucking forgettable.
>>343435262
It's a game that's never truly awfulexcept maybe the ending but that's debatablebut is never good.
>>343435262
My complaints about AAI are difficult to summarize.
The plot is kind of meh (the final battle isn't that epic and gets annoying after awhile), some characters are just bad (like Lance Amano), Kay is chirpy but her role is simultaneously too helpful (Little Thief is DEM) and unhelpful (she herself is usually behind the ball compared to Edgeworth) all at once, and I don't quite like the music.
That's my best assessment..
>>343435791
>Don't like the music
Best not be shitting on Lang's theme https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=-upPs2rbaX4
But to be fair I don't really remember anything else being that good.
>>343436134
Badd's theme is bretty gud
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=-2wRckkYdM0
>>343436134
It was more the overabundance of piano music. Felt too..."fancy" for an Ace Attorney game.
![Kay[1].png](https://i.imgur.com/WItYyha.png "Kay[1].png")
Why is Kay best girl?
>>343436280
It's an Edgeworth game, of course it's gonna be fancy.
>>343436458
Because black haired girls with ponytails are always the best. No exceptions.
>>343436641
I would retort that AAI2 had better music but I don't think its music was all that great either (it was okay but felt understated).
>>343436280
>Felt too..."fancy" for an Ace Attorney game.
>Miles Edgeworth
>>343436730
dat pursuit theme tho
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Rr9AVYDEeMQ
>playing through 3-5 again
Fucking Larry.
>>343436730
The Argument themes are GOAT. Gotta love dat guitar.
>https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=1KCFyAZ4cvg
>>343431669
What's Monster Hunter.
>tfw for the duration of the whole series they really tried to make a cornered theme as hype as AA1 but never could touch it
>>343437867
But they did touch it>>343436816
>>343437551
That's Miles Edgeworth, the defendant.
Despite all the Japanifornia silliness, Ace Attorney's localization is pretty clever piece of work.
http://legendsoflocalization.com/qa-pearl-feys-gravy-accident/
>>343439049
The AA Trilogy port actually has some retranslations that make the script more faithful to the Japanese original.
>>343433784
No, I'd rather stay home and eat some snackoos instead.
>>343439172
Do they finally reference 1-5 in JFA?
>>343439686
I think so.
>>343439686
Yes, Wright says something like "after that case and the case after that" when he talks about Edgeworth disappearing.
![tumblr_inline_o9cc28MUQP1rgrdtp_540[1].png](https://i.imgur.com/iCkqeGD.png "tumblr_inline_o9cc28MUQP1rgrdtp_540[1].png")
What is this creature?
Just finished the trilogy about a couple days ago. Very much enjoyed it. Is the franchise still worth investing into after this though?
>>343440703
Sure.
Play AJ next, then the AAI series, then PLvsAA if you're into Layton and finally DD.
>>343434376
I don't get the hate for AJ.
Just played through the whole series and I'd easily rate AJ over DD and JFA.
It's got totally fresh new characters, great music, great pacing, and for the 1st, 2nd, and 4th cases are relatively logical compared to much of the series.
Yeah the 3rd case sucks but it's not really enough to make it the worst in the series.
>>343440405
Perfection
>>343440703
Play them all. Even the mediocre games have some good moments.
>>343440914
>>343441170
Nice. I'll do it, thanks.
the only true pair
>>343441725
Fujos get out
>>343437551
I kek'd too hard during this episode
>>343441725
Why does AA attract so many fujoshits anyway?
>>343441862
It's not fujo if it's the truth
I only just watched the last anime episode, what did you guys think of it?
I rather liked it, I half expected them to come out and say the dog was given to the police department and called Missile, but seeing some of Edgeworth's weird home life was pretty cool. Plus, loli!Fran
>>343442123
Because it's a very easy visual novel so there's no scary gameplay to spook away the fujos
>>343441725
>>343442174
>fanart
>truth
>>343429937
I haven't read any posts in this thread, I just want to let you know that personally I won't even be going near any other AA thread (or this one, closing it as soon as this is posted) for fear of AA6 spoilers. I know there's some edgy cunt out there waiting to spoil people, like there was with AAI2 and AA5.
Discussion will probably pick up once 6 comes out in English.
>>343442123
Because Nintendo baits them
>>343442521
Was there really someone with AA5? I remember those threads being super civil, and I for one didn't get spoiled by them
AAI2 right before it came out had someone like that, though
>>343443257
What is Edgeworth even doing there
>>343443257
It can saving energy!
>>343443434
visiting his boyfriend
>>343443609
But Edgeworth is truthsexual
>>343435262
I don't know why it's so particularly disliked, it's very middle of the road and doesn't really stand out, but it has no big stinkers for cases at all and the second, fourth, and largest part of the last case are fun
>>343433454
>one group of people praises the game BEFORE they play it
>other group says the game is bad AFTER they've played it
>the second group is somehow the wrong one
neo-/v/ considers it a VN and VNs aren't games
>>343442840
So much disgust
Fuck Shuu
Damned closed homo faggot
>>343446108
closet*
I'd be okay with Edge x Mei or Edge x Maya or Nick x Maya or Nick x Mei or some any straight pairing but homo is disgusting.
>>343446108
>>343446293
You DO realize that Maya is a fujoshi, right?
>>343446371
[Citation Needed]
>>343446108
don't diss takumi or his boyfriend ever again
>>343447164
You mean bro, right?
>>343447461
did i fucking stutter?
>>343447706
2 men can be close friends without the need to be romantically interested in each other or fuck.
>>343447812
bullshit, "friends"? what are you, gay?
>>343447941
>what are you, gay?Yes but I can still tell friends apart from lovers
>>343448016
Psh.
I finished AA6 a while back, won't post spoilers obviously
most of the cases in it are actually pretty good, probably the most solid overall AA we've gotten in ages even
I can't help but feel tired/apathetic towards the direction this game and the past few have been going though in terms of how the main characters are as well as general themes and tone though. They keep trying to increase the scope of the settings and the level of melodrama and so on when doing so adds nothing of value to the series.
>>343437223
I replayed Ace Attorney 1-3 but stopped at that case. I got to the point where you play as Edgeworth but I can't bring myself to finish it.This was like 4 months ago.
>>343433949
Never.
>Will we ever get a localized version of Daigyakuten Saiban?
>Eshiro: Unfortunately there's a number of circumstances... We absolutely do want to bring it to the West, but unfortunately due to these circumstances right now... I'm really really sorry! Nowadays on the Internet lots of fans are directly asking us, "Where's Daigyakuten Saiban?" On livestreams, even in the Japanese ones, people from the West will write in and ask where it is. Every time we say, we're sorry! Certain circumstances are kind of getting in the way.
>>343448619
I wish they'd actually stuck to their guns and kept Phoenix out. The reasoning they give for making everything bigger is because Phoenix is a playable character and otherwise he doesn't have a challenge. He should've stayed a mentor.
>>343448884
Who the playable character happens to be is pretty much a non-factor in my eyes. With Phoenix, or Apollo, or even Athena they have no real obligation to go nuts with personal tragedy and so on, they could just stick with the core premise of "it's these characters jobs to help other people with their nutty problems" if they really wanted to.
Also
> The reasoning they give for making everything bigger is because Phoenix is a playable character
It doesn't happen because of Phoenix, believe it or not. It is how it's been marketed in interviews and trailers though. I won't say any more than that.
>>343448619
How's the difficulty this time around? Is basic stuff still spelled out for you? Are pixel hunts back?
>>343449352
>It doesn't happen because of Phoenix, believe it or not
that's literally what they say in interviews, it's the reason they're in this setting in the first place
and yes, it does matter who the playable character is, apollo and athena are much more easily fazed and are much more actual rookies, it was very noticeable in AA5
>>343448758
>we know fans want DGS but alas Phoenix is not on the cover and we want our sales
Fuck these people.
When will she show up again in the games?
>>343448619
>most of the cases in it are actually pretty good, probably the most solid overall AA we've gotten in ages even
everyone was saying this about aa5 too, I hope these cases will actually hold up under scrutiny
>>343448758
Well, no problem, Capcom.
Certain circumstances are also kind of getting in the way for me to purchase AA6.
>>343449898
Why?
She's in the Investigations games quite a bit.
>>343449854
I feel kinda bad for the producers and creators, Yamazaki and Eshiro really want the series to do well
too bad they're chained to fucking Capcom
>>343449712
>that's literally what they say in interviews, it's the reason they're in this setting in the first place
and it's not what ends up happening in the game. Expect people to start saying whatthe game ends up doing in this regard wasn't what they expected when it hits the west
It's not because of who the playable character happens to be, it's because of the insistence of the writers on what sorta stories the recent games have to have. This "courtroom reform" theme every game from AJ onwards has had is just not as interesting or engaging as it sounds on paper, and they go further with it each game despite that
>>343449902
I thought that the 2nd, 3rd, and 4th cases were all pretty good, best parts of the game for me. Although the format of the 4th case is a bit strange, it's still good despite that
>>343450275
I don't support Capcom's shitty "buy 20 copies or say goodbye to your beloved franchise in the west" business model.
Tired of being held by the balls. Until they start respecting their western fans, then I'll bother to give them money for AA. Til then, freeshop ahoy.
>>343448884
The business side of Capcom is completely murdering the series.
The creators have tried to go with original fresh directions but every time the businessfags at Capcom sit in a room and say "well you HAVE to force Phoenix in, AND it needs to be SUPER DUPER MORE EPIC than the last game, and also put TONS OF MELODRAMA for the sales!!!!"
I love the devs at Capcom but the suits are some of the worst fucking cancer in the industry. It's no surprise so many devs have jumped ship from Capcom over the years.
>>343450446
>and it's not what ends up happening in the game. Expect people to start saying whatthe game ends up doing in this regard wasn't what they expected when it hits the west
I have no idea what you're talking about, it's not about the in-game plot, it's about putting Phoenix in a setting where he's "challenged" in the first place
it shouldn't be necessary, at all, and the reason they're doing it is because it's still Phoenix and not a new protagonist, which already brought other problems with it too (like overcrowding the plot)
>>343450726
the in-game plot is tied to what you're talking about here
what they use to seperate Phoenix from the others is done more for the sake of certain other characters and not Phoenix, the game being over-the-top in it's scope in this game is focused around other characters instead of Phoenix in this game too
>>343450917
I vaguely know what you're on about, but it really doesn't matter - the reason why they felt the need to set this game into another country in the first place is because of Phoenix, nobody else. That they put in a plot with the other lawyers afterwards doesn't matter, it's another 'Phoenix needs a challenge' setting, because that's what the suits want.
Yamazaki apparently worked around that decently, but that doesn't mean it's just kind of a bad idea in general.
>>343450253
I just really like her and the Von Karma family dynamic as a whole, and I think it would be neat to see her as a 29 year-old.
>>343450275
I thought phoenix had black eyes? Did they change it in his DD design or did he always have blue eyes?
>>343450597
So what IS the deal with the Japanese business world? I've heard it's pure hell for basically everyone involved.
>>343449352
I can agree with this. Even now, Wright & Co are still a bunch of defense attorneys in a completely backwards legal system. Phoenix not needing Mia to tell him to think outside the box anymore shouldn't have as dramatic an effect on his character as people in these threads like to say it does. Apollo isn't such a bad character that Phoenix's mere presence destroys him either, if the writers stopped being so melodramatic for a moment they could probably make a revolving cast of playables from the office work just fine.
Instead the current writers are intent on making Phoenix (and to a lesser extent the other protagonists too) goddamn superheroes, with supervillain-tier enemies for absolutely no reason.
>>343451250
> the reason why they felt the need to set this game into another country in the first place is because of Phoenix, nobody else
> it's another 'Phoenix needs a challenge' setting
Like I said, it's not what ends up happening. The game being set in another country is closely tied to other characters far more than Phoenix, and this "needs a challenge" angle that they talked about is barely present beyond the first case either.
Having played it, I reckon that they only said these things at all for marketing purposes. What they've said in interviews are not thoughts anyone would have from playing the game.
>>343451373
It's regional.
>>343451446
I mean, the first game's final boss was still the "undefeated god of prosecuting". I think that the problem is how they're taking the emphasis away from the murders and personal stakes and making it so how ABSOLUTELY EVERYONE involved has something personal to do with the case. That just makes things feel diluted.
>>343451835
Read the rest of the post, it's not like they can't do shit beyond that initial idea, which they did, but it's Capcom saying from above "hey use Phoenix again and find another new setting for him", and them having to work around it. He's still very much there in every sense.
He's the playable character in 4 out of 6 cases, or4 out of 7, from what I've been told, right? That's not exactly toning down on the Phoenix-centricness, a problem which DD also had.
>>343451412
Theres a lot of issues like absolute hierarchy where if someone is older/higher than you then they have complete control over whatever.
Businesses are designed where you just join a company straight out of school and just slowly rise through the ranks regardless of how good you are.
Projects can be stonewalled where two people can clash and just totally cancel a game out of spite.
The worst part of it is that lots of the issues are completely honor and culture based so it's not something they can just change because it's ingrained into everyone there and keeps getting passed on.
>>343452118
From what I've read about AA6, it's basically:
6-1=Nick
6-2=Apollo
6-3=Nick
6-4=Athena
6-5=Apollo
DLC=Nick
>>343452360
6-5 is half Apollo, half Nick
>>343452449
Who gets more screen-time and ultimately takes down the final witness/prosecutor/murderer/whatever? This is important.
>>343452668
So Apollo then.
If you want a semi-vague spoiler, and what the anon from before was probably trying to get at, the story isvery much Apollo's story. The dual setting is there for his character, not Phoenix's. If you're one of those people who thinks that AA's stories are getting too out-of-control, this game continues that trend and it's not particularly driven by Phoenix's presence or role in the game this time.
>>343452968
So Apollo's character finally gets more development? That sounds real nice.
>>343453156
not really development as much as more backstory, but yeah, it's nice
>>343453156
Moreorless. Not everyone will like what they do with him though, I bet. Also people will get mad at the ending even though AA endings never have lasting consequences of any sort.
I agree with what you guys were saying earlier about how it should be the MCs helping other characters with their problems instead of the story being about the MCs having problems though. With Phoenix, Athena, and Apollo (even with AA6 taken into consideration), their 'sad' backstories are the weakest things about their characters. The setting doesn't require it either, these characters are lawyers so it's literally their job to get mixed up in nutty problems.
>>343429937
>http://www.mtv.com/news/2456095/when-you-play-phoenix-wright-are-you-really-phoenix-wright-capcom-talks-about-about-gamings-top-courtroom-drama/
What went wrong?
>>343454090
>they will never give us a client that is actually guilty ever again
>no moral ethical decisions like 2-4 again
>only more cheesy melodrama
>>343452360
>Thought Athena wasn't gonna do anything
>Gets a case with based Blackquill and an awesome remixed pursuit theme
>Mayacucks get no conclusion to her and Nick's relationship and she's literally fanservice, still as useless as ever.
Fucking perfect.
>>343454731
>>they will never give us a client that is actually guilty ever again
Oy vey
>>343454810
She's still a crappy Maya wannabe and only good for porn.
>>343455042
Without being half as retarded and nearly as useless you mean.
>>343434085
I actually liked her in general, but they should've dropped that. It's the one part I can't stand, and it doesn't even matter most of the time, since she, despite being some sort of super genius in multiple fields, doesn't actually perform any better in court than Apollo.
>>343454910
>Forges evidence during the trial
MOTHERFUCKER
>>343454810
>get no conclusion to her and Nick's relationship
Why were people even expecting anything from that, AA's never been that sorta game
Also I just wanted Athena w/aloof mentor Phoenix in the assistant role like in the beginning of 5-3 + Apollo w/assistant Trucy like in AJ this time. Mix and match the characters very, very occasionally perhaps. The four-man cast AA has can absolutely work in my opinion, neither the devs or the fanbase has enough faith in it.
>>343455042
>posts feet instead of butt
C'mon man
>>343435791
>Kay is chirpy but her role is simultaneously too helpful (Little Thief is DEM) and unhelpful (she herself is usually behind the ball compared to Edgeworth) all at once
I actually like that. They have to team up because Kay has all the gadgets but doesn't know what to do with it.
>>343455042
Gonna need more feet senpai
>>343454810
>no conclusion to her and Nick's relationship
That's pretty much how it always is. Even PLvsAA was practically a ship fic but didn't actually go anywhere with it.
>>343454810
>>Mayacucks get no conclusion to her and Nick's relationship
That would imply there was anything special about it in the first place. Only autists would be mad about that at this point
>>343429937
OMG YOU MUST BE ME
>>343454910
This guy's an absolute madman.
I love him.
>>343455042
>>343454810
>>343454090
Man I feel bad for them, they're so happy about there even being a Western audience for these games, and then Capcom fucks them over.
>>343455042
We need Yuri of Athena molesting Ema, stuffing cookies in her mouth and stuffing something else in her sex-beaker.
>>343429937
"I'M GONNA PLOUGH THESE BITCHES TIGHT LITTLE HOLES LIKE AN ANGRY GOD WHO'S JUST GOT TWICE AS ANGRY!!!!"
Did Phoenix go too far in "Turnabout of Fucktoys"?
>>343462380
>Yuri
>>343462380
Athena already has a waifu
Ema's with AA6's new faggot prosecutor now
>>343434997
First case was standard first case-tier stuff. Maggie was cute and Portsman's animations were fun but otherwise it was nothing special.
Second, Fourth and Fifth cases were all fun in my opinion.
Third case was shit, I don't understand what the deal is with AA and Third cases, but here it atleast introduces some fun and important characters.
All that being said, I don't think AAI1 was for everybody. Basically it's like if an entire game was filled with cases like 3-2. Which not everyone will like, but personally it's exactly why I liked it
>>343429937
BECAUSE THE ANIME IS SHIT
FRIENDLY REMINDER THAT DD HAS THE BEST OST AND PROSECUTORS OF THE ENTIRE SERIES
>>343464706
>best ost and prosecutors
DD has the best "Telling the Truth" theme and the 3rd best Pursuit theme but over than that I don't remember anything else.
Blackquill is a bro though.
>>343464706
>DD HAS THE BEST OST
the original andApollo Justicehad better OSTs, frankly
>>343464147
AAI2 was fucking dope though, I hope Kay and Debeste come back in a mainline game, hopefully with Debeste finally becoming a talented formidable attorney
>>343465679
I don't want Debeste to show up in a mainline game to be honest, given that he's backstory is done already he's just going to be there to job to the playable character. Which he doesn't deserve given that he's a better character than most of the playable characters frankly.
I think Yamazaki intends to leave the mainline to AA6's assistant director now, so maybe AAI3 can actually happen? I can dream atleast
>>343466001I want Debeste to come back and actually win against you
