Haha don't mind me just some deep RPG mechanics coming thoughhow did it come to this
>>343356791
The IP went to Bethesda instead of Troika
>spoiler
Bethesda looking to cash in on their laziest work yet.
>FIFTY BUCKS FOR THE SEASON PASS
>With only TWO Story-based DLC
>And FOUR shitty additions to housing and shit that modders have and will do better than.
>And they announced 20 days before they raised the price of the Season Pass from $30 to $50 that they were doing so, so "buy it now before it goes up!"
Fallout is something they can experiment and toy with when they want a break from TES
>>343356791
Bloody mess has always been a fallout thing. Since 1. And was useful in the small guns build along with finesse etc for gauranteeing crits.
It breaks my heart the series will continue under Bethesda instead of the creators. At least we got one final hurrah, flawed though it may be.
>>343356791
Fallout 4 reeks of laziness even by Bethesda standards.
What an utter fucking insult to Fallout and RPG fans alike.
>>343356791
This has always been in Fallout, faggot. Nice attempt to fit in with the "hurrr Fallout 4 is bad!!" hivemind though.
>>343357540
Do you enjoy it when things whoosh over your head because it sounds exhilirating
>>343357470
>experiment
>This is my first Fallout game: The thread
>>343357846
I understand fo4 is retardedly simplified. But perks that are silly have always been a part of the series.
>anti-luck dog perk and seperate crit fail perk
You could purposefully build a chosen one who'd crit fail alkost 30% of the time...
>replace skills with perks that do the same thing only in bigger increments
>less room for interesting perks
>less customization
>can't do anything specialized like maxing out Barter first
>people defend this
Fucking why?
>>343358697
>People defend this
Fucking who?
>>343358760
Everywhere but here. Sometimes even here.
>>343358803
>There are sites besides 4ChanOkay, I'm kidding, but I've never seen anyone defend it, period.
>>343356791
Fuck off, the perk system is fine. So is the gameplay in general really. What Bethesda needs to do is upgrade their engine and fire Emil Pagliarulo
>>343358697
Why can't you? You could just pick up the barter perks immediately.
>>343359031
But they're locked by level
>>343359031
You can pick the first barter perk, the rest are locked out until you reach a certain level. In New Vegas and Fallout 3 you can just jack up Barter as much as you want.
>>343359046
The perk system is the same shit as Fallout 3's skill system, only with a new coat of paint. Only sweaty fat autists who play Morrowind daily give a fuck about the slight gameplay changes, what Bethesda actually needs to improve is their quality of writing and their 2002 engine
>>343356791
>how did it come to this
not interested in discussing how good or bad perks are in an alternate universe post-apoc game w/ talking mutants and ghouls.
>>343359353
No it's not. Fallout 4 objectively limits your character building by adding arbitrary limits on which perks you can choose AND it basically forces you to waste perks on things that would have been leveled by skills anyway. There is OBJECTIVELY less customization.
>>343359631
That's why I said "slight" gameplay changes. I think the actually decent gunplay more than makes up for whatever small customization features you're crying about
perks are utter trash and with unlimited leveling why even have them at all.
>>343359902
You sure got me, Todd.
>>343357106
>raising the price of a season pass
literally fucking what
>>343360036
>"If I call him Todd I'll win the argument!!"
No, you got shut down. The perk system is essentially the same fucking thing. Stop focusing on the gameplay when it's Emil's retarded writing that needs to be fixed
>>343359902
>small customization features
>>343360108
Yeah. it was back in March IIRC, like March 10th, they announced the price of the Season pass would increase to $50 (because it has THAT MUCH stuff in it) and if you wanted to get it for only $30 (what a steal!) you have until March 31st or something along those lines. They really stressed the "value" aspect.
>>343360260
Give me one example of an important missing feature
>>343360257
I already explained why it's not and you have yet to refute that except by handwaving it away.
>>343359531
>>343360368
see
>>343360363
You said there was "objectively less customization" without specifying why or what the fuck you even meant
>>343360363
ammo crafting
>>343360363
>>343360558
do you really want me to pull up the ENTIRE new Vegas perk list and stat system?
>>343360508
So is he a mutant or a ghoul?
>hating bloody mess
You guys know mods are a thing, right?
>>343360363
>Give me one example of an important missing feature
>I agree anon, Fallout 4 is great.
>I totally agree anon, Fallout 4 is great
>I agree anon, Fallout 4 is great (Sarcastic)
>No (it's not just great, it's epic!)
>>343360673
Go ahead pal, not much of relevance is missing in 4
>>343360791
I've been saying this whole fucking time the writing and dialogue system is horrible
>>343360558
Not him, in a regular Fallout game, you get the option of becoming better at a variety of things that dictate the way you play and there are multiple end-game "viable" builds that are all around the same level of "powerful."
In Fallout 4, instead of getting access to a selection of various things, you get to choose your SPECIAL and that's it. After that, you can basically do anything if you dumped a Perk Point into it without a second thought. And you can increase your SPECIAL and unlock everything, meaning there is no point in playing the game one way or the other, because by the end of it, there's only one viable build, in the form of "biggest, baddest gun for that sneak crit" and then just hit them with your biggest, baddest melee weapon until they are dead. You can say it's similar in other Fallout game and be correct, but you would be incorrect on a level of specificity.
In other Fallout games, you can go melee thug, dick-ass thief, tech nut, etc. and be viable from start to finish, whereas in FO4, you are always all of these things wrapped up in a war vet/lawyer package that turns into a literal god, with no actual role-playing in the classic sense.
>>343360965
That doesn't make sense. You still need to specialize unless you intend on reaching level 400
>>343359902
perks that give you extra dialogue options
>>343360673
Yes?
>>343357106
I'm fine with waiting as long as it takes until I can get everything for $19.99 with a mature script extender available and mods that fix whatever bullshit can be fixed.
>>343358234
>I understand his actual complaint but I will continue to pretend I didn't
>>343361241
And believe it or not, it's insanely easy to hit exceptionally high levels (you'll have all your specializations and plenty more) from just playing the game.
All you get to choose is the road there, which all play similarly anyway.
>>343360651
Added in Contraptions
>>343361418
No it isn't, unless you play upwards of like 70 hours which the average person won't even put in across multiple playthroughs
>>343361328
http://fallout.wikia.com/wiki/Fallout:_New_Vegas_perks
http://fallout.wikia.com/wiki/Fallout:_New_Vegas_skills
read it because pasting it here would look like shit.
>>343361587
He doesn't mean making ammo with a shitty overpriced DLC, you dope. He means ammo types.
>>343361587
nv did it far better.
>>343361750
He literally says ammo crafting. Naturally, I'm going to assume he means crafting ammunition and not ammo types.
>>343361819
Agreed.
>>343357102
/thread
>>343357106
Isn't Nuka World a story expansion with a new region?
>>343362127
"Naturally"? Maybe your reading comprehension just sucks, dipshit
>>343357106
PS4 can't even handle mods
>>343361329
>>343362429
If he meant ammo types he would have just said that, since utilizing different ammo types doesn't require crafting ammo. Have another (you)
>>343362375
Yes, it's the second story DLC.
>>343360674
