Lets have a different discussion. What could have saved Battleborn, /v/?
It's a fun game. I don't regret my purchase. There is a hint of a decent game in there somewhere.
But it could have done SO much better being delayed by about 6 months to fix fundamental things. Gearbox just clearly was not prepared to run a MOBA style team game.
>No report function in game
>PVP doesn't drop gear, only PVE does
>Not able to queue for individual story missions
>Lore challenges extremely grindy and anti-fun
>Lack of a proper tutorial
And that's just a few.
The art style is also just poor. Some decent character designs, but the art style looks like a free to play game. It looks cheap.
I like the game. I probably will never play it again, but a 6 month delay with some polishing would have done this game MANY favors. And it wouldn't have to compete with Overwatch. Which I also enjoy.
Your thoughts?
>>343272880
>Delay the release
>Distance their game from overwatch rather than compare it
>completely redo all character designs
Advertising it would have helped. Literally all I heard about this game was one email from Gearbox and everyone on /v/ shitting on it.
>>343273609
I agree wholeheartedly with the first two points. But some of the character designs are pretty good. SOME of them.
Overwatch was a huge competitor and trying to go head to head with Blizzard ended them.
it's a great game and if you don't like it, fuck off and go play something else. We will not miss you.
>>343272880
they could have saved it by opening a free week during the current steam sale
too late for that now
>>343272880
you think SJW based dev will listen to CRITIC??
i think its just the fact that standing next to Overwatch is looks really poorly done.
i mean that literally, it straight up looks like a cheap, shitty game that has been pumped out by some company looking to make money off micro-transactions.
>>343272880
Delay the release was a big thing, but it also could backfire. On the one hand, getting some of the release bugs fixed and more polish on the game in general would have been great. Performance fixes, quality of life fixes, the ability to rejoin matches or the ability to hop into matches with empty spots; the possibilities of what an extra month or two could have done are amazing.
However, if Overwatch was too big a success, nobody would leave it to play Battleborn. It's a thing with WoW, League, DotA, etc. "Why should I leave my account with so many things already finished just to go this other game that looks like a cookie cutter clone", even if it's not actually the case. I can see why they did it the way they did though; wasn't an easy choice.
They're making improvements now, though, and I think their best choice for now might just be to stick to their guns and offer ways for people to earn content.The game is a lot more pleasant to play than it was on release. They could also tone down on the some of the dialog, or at least dilute it so the punchlines are more scarce, they'd get a few people back.
No comment on the art, though. I'm an audio guy; every auto glitch or low quality line triggers me, but I look at Montana and see nothing wrong.
Whats the player count at now?
>>343274828
I agree, they're making a number of good improvements.
But don't you think delaying would do them some good?
It's been barely a month and some are already getting exhausted of Overwatch. Ranked has breathed some new life into it (For me, at least), but you can only play it so much.
In my opinion... delaying until Fall 2016 would be very beneficial to Battleborn. They could polish things and have less competition. Overwatch's accounts are just skins... it's not like they're losing years of character progress.
>>343274885
http://steamcharts.com/app/394230
392 players 28 minutes ago. It's also the middle of the night on a weeknight... at peak hours it usually peaks around 1K. Which still is bad.
>>343275034
Maybe; I've honestly not had a chance to play Overwatch, so my experience is just coming from other similar scenarios.
Now that you mention it, though, that might be a way back in. If Battleborn can do a mini rebrand on itself and appeal to people who are tired of Overwatch, that might be a solid way to get players back in.
>>343275093
It is very good if you consider Blizzard emplay people in full time just to shit post against Battleborn.
Love Battleborn and enjoy every second of my play time.
>>343275406
They're both fun games. I know this is gonna end up as a screenshot somewhere but:
Battleborn is more similar to Counter Strike. Buy gear, longer games, and a bit more strategy that is more focused on objective.
Overwatch is closer to Call of Duty. Shorter games (Competitive games are longer), less harsh loss penalties, more casual game modes and quicker gameplay.
They are BOTH good. Just different styles. The problem is, being released so close to one another crippled Battleborn.
>>343272880
If it had released a few months before Overwatch, it would've had a better chance at surviving at least for a while. Blizzard moved the open beta to Battleborn's release date and killed it before it even had a chance.
>completely re-do the writing
>completely re-do the aesthetics
>make the gunplay not shit
>>343276006
I love Battleborn too. I went to the release party (open bar wassup), hung with the developers all night. I love that game, dude.
The only part I didn't enjoy was grinding lore challenges.
>>343276219
I would agree. The only gunplay I really like is Kleese's. His weapons are fun to use.
Oscar Mike's kit is fun too, but Solider 76 feels more fun to play than him.
>>343272880
>It's a fun game. I don't regret my purchase. There is a hint of a decent game in there somewhere.
>gearbox
kek. friends talked me into getting memelands 2 back then. what a regret that was, huge waste of time. story was cringe. I still hate that fat bitch that talked like a hick. I'm from the boonies in Texas and mannnn. just made me cringe.
I hate gearbox for pretty much two reasons
They try to shill you so much God damned DLC, and season pass garbo. You will NEVER EVER get a full game for 60 dollars from them. ever
second. the memes/awful writing.
I wish I could just nuke gearbox. I hate that they are based in texas too. fuck them.
im off to bed. it's 4 am. i got laid off 3 weeks ago. my schedule is pure shit now. dfjasfkdasfj
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>>343274082
http://store.steampowered.com/stats/
lol its not even on the list. sub 1k online
>>343274543
>that has been pumped out by some company looking to make money off micro-transactions.
that is literally what gearbox does dude.
go to the steam store for borderlands 2 and look at all that dlc shit you can get. it's like 200 dollars worth of shit. this isn't new anon, this is all gearbox fucking does. they need to die
>>343276378
>>343276441
Sorry friend anon; we already had this conversation.
>>343274885
>>343275093
>>343276378
As an Ausfag, I fucking loathe Janey Springs for that exact reason. The best aussie characters so far? Fucking Red and Belly.
I got this on steam sale and it's got a solid 5k online right now.
>nba 2k16 has more than quadruple the player base as stillborn
my sides. love this ape dunk game btw.
>>343276640
nah junkrat and roadhog are my fav aussie characters. junkrat is my nigga.
>>343276238
>this entire post
>>343276745
( I haven't played Battleborn in 26 days my dude and I have put 15+ hours in Overwatch since then)
Are you happy, my man?
>>343276745
Battleborn is the choice of a new generation. One raised on image macros and the lack of cognizance of inside jokes.
>>343276729
I meant in The Pre-Sequel but yeah, Garbage Gerbil and Pavement Pig are pretty fucking awesome.
Devil's Third F2P actually makes Nintendo money
The only way Battleborn can be salvaged is making it F2P
>>343276850
bro i have no idea what you are talking about. I only played borderlands 2 and it was a huge mistake my friends had talked me into. i will never in my life touch another meme filled gearbox game. it's nothing but cringe. everything about memelands 2 was cringe. especially having to play the story twice. actually not even twice, like four times or something retarded. how they set that up wa sjust bad. awful, grindy, bullet sponge heep of shit
>>343272880
https://www.reddit.com/r/gaming/comments/4p22xo/a_slightly_awkward_conversation_with_rany_varnell/
A bit of a read, but I think it kind of gives insight into what the developers where thinking and some good points on what could be improved.
I had a blog post on this.
1 Reuse certain missions in campaign for multi-players. Some are actually pretty good arena maps and I wonder why they didnt use them. Or make an Best Time escort map where you escort the Robot Walker
2 Fix the Matchmaking system
3 Concentrate servers.
4 Make the particles colored by teams rather than lore specific. Or just put a color mode for competitive or color blind
5 improve sound mixing. I cannot tell the difference from a friendly Miko to an Enemy Miko by sound alone
6 RELEASE early 2016 instead of MID. We literally only had far cry primal.
7 It should NOT have been released on PC. There i said it. Borderlands is a Console shooter and this one too.
8 MAKE IT A BORDERLANDS GAME instead of its own IP. The BADASS made it sound like borderlands but not so it seemed like an AA instead of AAA
9 Their marketing should have been streamlined. They couldnt make their minds on being a single player or a multiplayer according to marketing
10 Two open betas instead of one.
11 Fix the Loadout system. And Weapon system. And Loot System. And Lore Challenges. And Character Unlocks.
12 related to 11, Make the campaign training by allowing people to play a mission as the character then unlocking that character for multiplayer. You got a taste of the backstory and got a free character win-win
13 Gearbox thought the fun of borderlands is the progressions system. NO IT IS FUCKING NOT. It is the loot, the Mad Max Vibe and the subtle comedy. BattleBorn went overboard in every regard except fun.
>>343276378
Borderlands 1 is the only one that did DLC right. It was like 20 hours more content with great battles. Shame really
>>343277058
>4chan screenshot with an "ifunny" watermark
>>343277204
Yeah I got it in a google search.
>>343276517
well then no fucking wonder
borderlands was pretty shit desu, it pretended to be diverse in gameplay but it wasnt. it was grindy shit.
>>343277058
I appreciate this post and that reddit link. Interesting stuff.
The only conversation I've had with Gearbox devs is at the Launch Party in Dallas... I was talking to Randy about one point that impressed me (the Sentry actually calling out my name as I ran by), and he started talking about the hundreds of vocal lines he has recently heard in game that he never knew was recorded. He was impressed in that variety.
In my opinion, they should have spent more time and resources on things that arent'... ya know... voice acting dialogue lines. Sounds a lot like typical gearbox.
>>343272880
Battleborn is great.
But today only the shilling/waifu porn decides about the financial success of a game
>>343276640
Fuck, I forgot she existed, why did you have to remind me?
>>343272880
Make the voice acting and writing actually fit the character designs.
>>343278347
>Battleborn is great.
how so
>I don't regret my purchase
If this was true, you wouldn't have made this thread
>>343272880
>What could have saved Battleborn, /v/?
They should of had sexy animu-like waifus from the start. It's too late now.
Being a proper MMO-FPS-ARPG instead of some retarded bastardization of a MOBA/ASSFAGGOTS
Literally nobody wanted this. There are people who want games like borderlands but with more multiplayer focus, and there are people who want to play LoL. The people who want borderlands see this no-permanent-progression moba shit and aren't interested. The people who want to play LoL see this FPS shit and aren't interested. This game doesn't appeal to literally anyone ever.
There are 11,000 people who played Borderlands 2 today, another 11,000 who played The Division. These groups of people are basically looking for the same type of game and are playing busted up shit games because nothing else is catering to them. Meanwhile babbyborn isn't even on the charts.
