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>http://personacentral.com/chinese-version-persona-5-released-september-15-2016/
MEANWHILE AT ATLUS USA
>>343271313
No dual audio and the Chinese get a release before the rest of us.... kys John
>>343271313
>dubs
>Atlus cares more about Chinese fans than English fans
What the fuck man
>still no eov announcement
Well fuck you too atlus
>>343271904
>>343272030
since they're releasing it in china with only chinese subs, why can't they do a release with japanese audio and eng subs? for what fucking reason?
>>343272231
It's called being jewish.
>They get japanese audio but they have Chinese subs
>somehow atlus usa can't do the same
Incompetent fucks.
That dub is probably why it's going to come out February 14th
I fucking hate Atlus
>>343272231
Voice actor licensing.
>>343272494
Of course the dub is the reason, it takes time to record, much more than it takes to just translate text.
>>343272598
Ok voice licensing is the reason why we dont have Japanese audio in the west. chinese people get the Japanese version. so what the fuck
>>343271313
>the people behind this are really nice people
>that means the dub is great and you should be ashamed if you don't like it because the people who worked on it are great
I hate when they use this excuse for anything.
>>343272840
It means that Atlus is willing to pay for licensing in Asia because they know it wouldn't sell unless they kept original audio.
They know however they can go with the cheap route of recording new audio (recording new English dub is CONSIDERABLY cheaper than paying for licensing for Jap VAs) in the west because retarded inbred Fatlus will buy it anyway.
I like how Personafags basically admit the gameplay is garbage and not relevant in their decision to purchase
>Wanting to hear the ugliest language in the world.
Even Arabic is easier on the ears.
>>343272942
But why? Wouldn't China prefer it to be in their own language, seeing how cold they are generally towards the Japs?
>>343271904
>kys
Underage.
I'm tired of buying this "VA licensing is expensive" meme
Fucking 7th Dragon 3 Code: VFD has like 40 fucking Japanese voice actors for each gender, and that's a really shitty low budget 3DS game.
Fuck you Atlus, and fuck everyone perpetuating this meme.
It's OK, my trusted retailer will have the version with jap audio :)
>>343271313
It's funny because dual audio is nowhere near as hard to implement as they pretend it is
ATLUS are fucking retards
>>343273096
They're huge weebs, the fuck are you talking about? Real life stuff is a different story
/v/ need a 'Learn Japanese' group for those of us who learn better in a structured environment so we can skip all this drama
Where did the "japanese VA licensing is ultra expensive!" meme come from?
>>343272971
Isn't it the reverse? We're still buying the game despite the VA
>>343273215
>ATLUS are fucking retards
Why? They know you will buy the game anyway and that Persona fanbase are shit eating retards who watch anime dubbed aswell.
>>343271313
How come Persona 4 Arena had dual audio but none of the main games did?
the reason we on get english audio is so that vas have jobs
it's literally just guarding against English VAs being pushed out of the weeb market
>>343273289
I never played a Persona game and i probably never will, i only came into this thread to point out how wrong what they're saying is
>>343273096
Nigger Chinks are the weebest.
>>343273052
Sure it is Muhammad. Nip is actually one of the easiest languages on the ears of all the asian languages.
Chinese or Thai is like scratching a nail on a blackboard compared to that.
>>343273124
Is that game actually bad? WAs thinking of picking it up.
>>343273124
It's more expensive than the dub, that's not a meme, that's a fact.
Thing is Atlus USA prefers to have dubs since dubs generally reach wider audience than Jap-only audio would.
And since they are jewish and don't want to pay extra on top of that for the Jap VA licensing, they simply don't do that.
Atlus is a horribly jewish greedy shitstain of a company, I've been boycotting their shit for years now, pirating everything.
>tfw people only want nip speak because then they dont have to confront the fact that the dialogue is pure cringe
>>343272756
The only problem with this is I'd rather be a Weeaboo than have to hear ashly burch, Troy baker or yuri lowenthalusing honorifics
>>343273384
>>343273234
So American weebs are outclassed by some bootleg Chinese weebs who can actually stand their ground?
>>343271313
>>343271313
>>343271313
>>343273495
This.
>>343273507
In china, weebs are majority among vidya consumers.
In murrika, they are the minority. That's the problem.
Atlus USA doesn't care because they know they will sell more by just making it dub-only than sub-only.
>>343273507
It's not like they're fighting tooth and nail to get Japanese subs for their game and to be released earlier.
>>343273321
but then I have to visit /a/
>>343273587
But who would actually buy a Persona game except for weebs?
I don't see dudebros ever getting it.
Don't some Chinese releases have english subs? You should be able to buy that.
>weeb enough to complain about no JP audio
>not weeb enough to actually learn Japanese and import the game
Literally the worst kind of people. Did any Persona games besides the fightan one even have dual audio?
>mfw seeing all these crybabies complain about the dub when the series has been dubbed since 1998 top kek at these fucking tears
Also, it's not releasing in 2016 as to not compete with FFXV and to ensure that all the nips would have bought their copy already so they dont import because they are infact planning on dual audio. You're getting it so calm down you fucks, I cant tell you my source but yeah
>>343273687
Persona is mainstream as fuck, it has been Final Fantasy tier mainstream ever since P3 exploded with popularity.
>>343273505
Looks like you need to off yourself
I never understood why people would prefer anything other than the original.
When it comes to burgers voicing japshit, the result is usually so cringeworthy that you're better off not playing the game at all.
>>343273736
>i cant tell you my source
Kill yourself you clapistani jewish shitstain
>>343273476
>that's a fact
I'm going to have to ask for some actual real fucking proof. I'm tired of seeing this meme without seeing any actual evidence to support it.
>>343273462
The gameplay is fine, but the framerate is fucking garbage so it's not pleasant to look at.
>>343273759
Kys my man
>>343272231
Japanese actors were probably hired and agreed to Chinese release already. If we want dual audio, or Japanese audio we'll have to start pushing Japanese companies to agree to allow Japanese actors to reprise their role for the English release rather than have the English localization company have to pay again for the rights. Simply put we're such a fucking afterthought to them because marketshare is so irrelevant.
Or you could save yourself a huge fucking headache and just learn japanese, hack a PS3 and enjoy nip games since you're not target demographic anyway.
>>343273734
Anything that isn't instantly gratifying isn't worth doing for the millennial generation.
So instead they'll complain about it on a cambodian basket weaving imageboard, because maybe if they cry hard enough where nobody can hear them, they'll somehow make a difference.
>people still think it's the early 00s
Dubbing has come along way, stop assuming everything is as bad as when you were a kid.
Hell i bet none of you played MGS for the first time and bitched that it wasn't in Japanese.
>>343273736
>I cant tell you my source
I can. Your ass.
>>343273648
you only have to visit that thread
and only when you need help
just bookmark the google doccomplaining about /a/ while posting on /b/ 2.0 lmao
>>343273052
>Ugliest language in the world
>Not chinese, african or old lady spanish
Come on buddy
>>343273939
forgive me for wanting to avoid pedos. Saved it anyway
>dubfags
Get cancer and die
Get fucked.
I can read moon but I vastly superior at Chink. You are so going to get spoilers.
What are the odds of a greater asian area (Singapore and stuff) sub release?
Or do they usually take the US version when they can?
>>343273994
>old lady spanish
show me any spanish that even begins to approach sexy
>>343273939
From what I heard those threads are shit, all their pasta documents are shit and the guy who's running them gives absolutely shit advice that gets people nowhere.
>>343273747
>it has been Final Fantasy tier mainstream ever since P3 exploded with popularity.
>P4
>North America: 0.34m
>FFXIII
>North America: 1.74m
hmmmm
>>343274159
They have good resources.
>>343274052
Those are called HK which might very likely happen. US release taking so long is probably because they are recording the dubs post release.
>>343274030
>being Chinese
I'm so sorry. I'll just play the JP version at launch because learning a new language really isn't very hard.
>>343274159
And what did the people you heard that from recommend instead?
The course recommended in the pasta document is very simple and logical, and it contains a wealth of resources for you to pick from as you wish.
>>343273734
>>343273904
Oh come off your EOP meme already.
Japanese is a shit language, one of the worst Asian languages, and you're really going to get on people's backs for not wanting to learn it?
Fucking Chinese doesn't even have as much stupidity as the Japanese language.
>>343274080
I'm not sure, but if it's sexy or disgusting with you, those are some high standards.
Either way japanese sounds way better than all the ones I listed.
>>343273687
It doesn't matter. Every company is going to try to reach into the mainstream audience and it doesn't matter how far fetched it is. They'll do it every time.
>>343273747
You're retarded.
>Its the same fucking thread
>AGAIN
>>343271313
>English dubs are worthy of your respect
>if it doesn't have jap voices I'm not buying it!
how autistic do you have to be?
>>343274272
Japanese is a pretty fun language, easily the best in Asia.
When you talk about stupidity in a language, you seem to forget that you're using English, the biggest abomination of spelling around. While some languages have more annoying shit like gendered nouns, English is pretty high up there, Japanese is honestly a few rungs lower on idiocy.
When you actually understand the syllabary, you understand why kanji exist. And they're the only issue anyone has with the language, total beginners complaining about learning a few thousand characters in a language where they need to learn 20 thousand words anyway.
>>343274159
well now you're hearing different. With two opposing sides with equal amounts of proof you have no choice but to go find out for yourself.
>>343274217
No. I am a training to be a translator in East Asian languages. I am better at Chink cause it has a bigger market.
>>343274272
>Japanese is a shit language
Then why do you want to hear it?
>>343274272
>Japanese is a shit language
I agree, which is exactly why these retards asking for JP dub and don't actually speak Japanese are retarded. The on-screen text will never faithfully match what is being said, that in and of itself should be enough to stop whatever these half-assed purists are claiming
>>343273915
That was due to ignorance. It doesn't excuse this shit.
>>343274491
that's not the problem here.
it's that we have to wait 6 months just to get dubs when subs would be fine
>>343274526
My bad, you're SEA scum then. Even lower on the totem pole.
>>343271313
I prefer dubs.
>>343273734
>complaining about bad vidya
>not actually learning to code yourself and creating great games
>complaining about shit hardware
>not learning engineering and designing one yourself
That not how it works. I'm prepared to compensate them for providing services. The problem is that they refuse to provide it and are opting to go with the shit option no one asked for.
>>343273895
>allow Japanese actors to reprise their role for the English release
I would play the fuck out of a game in English where all the VA work is done by the original JP VAs speaking in cute engrish.
>>343271313
>it's not as easy as ticking a box
If they're not lip-syncing anything, it is.
Unless they alter cutscenes and movies, it's really fucking easy to let the player choose and switch between language tracks.
Only hard thing would be subbing.
>>343274494
At the end of the day, English still only has 26 letters in its alphabet so no, it's not stupid. The world is not going to end because you don't know about silent k's or the difference between chest and chest.
But a language like Japanese just has a stupid fucking barrier around it that makes it needlessly complicated. You really don't find it retarded that Japanese students coming out of high school still don't know every single symbol of their language?
>>343271313
>that last fucking reply
holy shit John he never said he thinks the english dubs are bad you motherfucker, just moving the goalposts so he can counter him easily, what a fucker.
>>343274695
>If they're not lip-syncing anything, it is.
Odds are this is why they didnt dub Tokyo Mirage Sessions.
Too low budget.
>>343273215
It's not hard, it's just an expense they don't want to commit to. I mean, why are people even surprised? Both P3 and P4 only had English voices, suddenly you expect Japanese as well?
>>343274491
Yeah cause fuck the original audio and who dosnt love dumb sounding americunt voice overs?
>>343274594
If I was SEA scum, English won't be my first language. I am a brit currently studying in Hong Kong. Dumbfuck.
>>343273939
>lmao
>>343271313
they dont do dual audio because they think it undermines their work it's like asking a guy translating the book to release a book in dual languages because they prefeer the way it looks on the pages.
>>343274803
P3 and P4 were on the PS2. The consoles P5 is coming out on have way more space and capacity for more audio tracks now.
>>343273396
>Muhammad
I actually met a guy with that name, but he lives in Egypt is an atheist. I laughed when he said that, i thought he was joking. It was true.
>>343274749
>You really don't find it retarded that Japanese students coming out of high school still don't know every single symbol of their language?
No, just like I don't find it retarded that everyone coming out of an English high school doesn't know every word in their language.
It's a barrier only for idiots, and it makes the language far easier and faster to read.
>>343273215
It's not the difficulty they are complaining about, but the finances.
>>343274852
>meme arrow
anyone got that picture of the jap VA's and the other characters they've voiced?
>>343274817
There's absolutely no fucking way you're British, unless you were in all the "special" classes in school. I could believe that you have a British parent maybe, who is never home to teach you the absolute basics of grammar structure.
You don't know English, how could you possibly think you can pass for a native?
>>343274749
>You really don't find it retarded that Japanese students coming out of high school still don't know every single symbol of their language?
Considering they're not necessary for regular communication, not really? Do you really think you can apply English standards to Japanese? Don't you find it weird that American high school graduates can't spell or punctuate sentences to save their lives? Guess what, spelling and punctuation aren't issues at all in Japanese.
>>343274856
>P3 and P4 were on the PS2.
So were other games on the system that had both audios.
As long as Atlus keeps making this games console exclusive I'll never played them. The last Atlus game I played was on the PS2 and I refuse to buy dumb consoles to play their games when PC is perfect for all their games now yet they refuse to allow me to play the games. Fuck atlus
>release TMS without a dub
>release Persona 5 in other Asian countries without a dub at the same release date as Japan
>delay the game in the West five goddamn months just to dub it for normalfags
>"muh licensing fees"
Jesus Fucking Christ, I almost don't want to buy it.
>>343274856
those games were on DVDs and had more than enough space for more audio
>>343275064
>All the games has to cater to ME! ME!
>>343274761
>holy shit John he never said he thinks the english dubs are bad you motherfucker
He basically is though. I mean unless the dude has a wife that only speaks Japanese and they both like Persona, then the main draw of dual audio is the switch to dump the English dub.
>EOP amerifats desperately defending dubs because Murica and fuck Japs for muh Pear Harbor.
You don't get to vote with your biased opinions.
Only people whose native language isn't English can really compare them because as far as we are concerned, both are dubs of languages we don't understand and in that case the original is always preferable.
>>343274749
You really don't find it retarded that English students coming out of high school still don't know every word of their language?
What about 'asian' versions with jap dub and eng subs? Many games seem to do that, maybe we can import that.
Also, didn't they say something about jap dub as DLC? I'd pay for it.
>>343273495
But we can still read the subs, retard
>>343275171
Still, how does having "really nice people" do the dub, suddenly makes it a good one?
I fucking hate when they always shift the focus from actual performance to muh people.
You can be the nicest person on earth but still do a shit job.
>>343275232
>Also, didn't they say something about jap dub as DLC?
John Hardin said he'd try to get the idea through but the likelihood of them listening at all to that is close to zero.
>>343271313
If they'd only not fuck up every single Persona with their shitty VAs. Thank you guys, who were doing gods work and made undubs for p2, p3, p4, pq etc.
Right now P4G is on sale for 6€ and I'm not willing to buy this crippled game. No Dual Audio? No buy, ever.
>>343275198
We wouldn't give as much of a shit if we didn't have to wait 5 fucking months after it released just for a shitty dub. What's wrong with giving people a choice you condescending faggot?
>>343275309
>I fucking hate when they always shift the focus from actual performance to muh people.
Well, is the dub for Persona 5 bad?
>>343275360
Nothing wrong with a choice, the problem is there isn't one and people are defending this.
>>343271313
i'm not accepting this shit
fucking zero time dilemma managed to get A-list jap VAs and still have them in the localized version done by a 10 year old canadian studio
Atlus usa has no excuse
>99% of Japanese games released in the west are dubbed
>BUT I REFUSE TO BUY PERSONA DUBBED
Am I too tinfoil or do I smell a proctetionism by the part of american VAs?
>>343275414
Well judging by how he didn't even try saying that the dub was high quality and chose to focus on the people instead, I'd say it is shit.
>>343275436
The problem is that if you actually gave a shit, you'd just learn Japanese.
As more and more companies start to have dual audio or opting for sub only methods this kind of dub only practice will start to look more retarded.
It worked before because no one else was doing it so they could make up any excuse they wanted.
>>343275509
>I'd say it is shit
Its not even out yet don't be a bitch,you can't criticise something that doesn't exist
>>343275468
The excuse is that they don't want to. They just don't.
>>343275232
Its going to come out with Chinese and Korean language support with Japanese audio. Atlus did this with Odin's Sphere Leifthrasir.
Its pretty shady. Companies like Fromsoft usually have "Chinese/ Korean/ English" version for the Asia region but not Atlus. Atlus fragments the Asia region just because they can.
Can someone explain to me why do Japanese games dub sound so bad?
I know there are some exceptions, like the last MGS, but they mostly sound like anus.
>>343274854
Not at all. It's like watching a foreign movie with subtitles, getting a whiff of the place and culture in which it was made instead of people that don't really belong there talking over the original performers. I don't care if the dub is well done, it's almost always going to be inferior and alienating to what is inherently decided for the setting.
>>343275639
Because hiring hobos is cheap, and when you have the international rights, you can do whatever the fuck you want, 99% of your audience doesn't have a choice anyway.
>>343275639
I mean Japanese to english
>>343275526
THIS ARGUMENT DOESN'T WORK. WHY DO PEOPLE KEEP USING THIS SHIT like they're being clever.
It's been blown out in this thread already and every time it gets brought up. Why do people still use it?
>>343275624
Surely they won't be releasing localised versions for the whole of Asia, right? There must be some versions with eng subs.
>>343275639
Probably because their dialogue doesn't match well with english sensibilities. I'm sure there's a better way to explain that but it's something like that.
>>343274494
Honestly, what does a 'stupid language' even mean?
>>343271313
Because the majority of people playing shit like Persona prefer dubs over subs. Hell, if you go to threads about games with dual audio across the internet (ie. Danganronpa) you'll see that a good chunk of people played with the dub.
>>343275639
Because if you had any talent at all, you would be providing voices for games made in your country rather than some dumb weeb shit.
>>343275509
That's part of the problem. People don't know much about the dub but are requesting the Japanese audio already. I'd imagine it grates on the people in charge of translating and dubbing shit considering how time consuming that process is.
>>343275706
You can't just pretend it's been refuted and act like that refutes it.
If you gave a shit, you'd learn Japanese. You don't give enough of a shit to actually want to play the "original" game, so why are you so adamant about picking and choosing?
Every game has a slider for voice volume. Mute the fucking audio, and you're going to get the same experience you would listening to gibberish.
>>343275758
Atlus is the only company who region locked a ps3 game. They try very hard to keep regions seperate since they do well in all of them. US isn't going to have dual audio to stop reverse importing, and foreign releases aren't going to have English to reduce importing.
>>343275526
>you are not allowed to experience anything foreign in it's original language
>if you cared you'd have learned the language
>no songs or movies for you anymore unless they are translated and dubbed
>>343275857
>People don't know much about the dub but are requesting the Japanese audio already
Just seeing the list of Japanese voice actors P5 has is enough for me to want the sub version.
>>343275825
This. Just look at Troy Baker and Laura Bailey. Started with a ton of weeb shit but now they do Western games since they were one of the few good VAs in weeb shit. It's more prestigious, pays better, and gets your name out there more.
Voice acting for dubbed anime and dubbed Japanese games is literally the bottom of the barrel.
>>343275808
>>Because the majority of people playing shit like Persona prefer dubs over subs.
Nice joke. Places like this are a tiny minority.
Atlus will lose maybe 5% sales, max, to people downloading an undub. The simple fact is, it's not worth paying for the rights to make such a tiny market share happier.
>force dub
>the game is heavily delayed because of it
Don't the Asian versions usually have a Eng translation too? What's to stop people from importing?
>>343275639
The same reason live action anime or video game adaptation movies do not work.
You subconsciously associate anime style with Jap language and hearing some of their prominent cliches in English just comes off as cringey or forced as fuck.
>>343275967
It doesn't with Atlus games.
>>343275957
I don't think you read what I said right.
>>343275859
>Mute the fucking audio, and you're going to get the same experience you would listening to gibberish.
Do you legitimately have autism? You think different languages make all voices lose their emotion, inflection, and tone?
>>343275893
I see.
So, PS3/PS4 emulation when?
>>343272598
If they actually handled contracts properly when signing the actors, it wouldn't be an issue at all. Fucking eroge studios manage this, how can't Atlus do it?
>>343275967
The game was heavily dubbed because of the PS4 version.
>>343275639
You're comparing bottom of the barrel nobody involved in the production gives a single fuck VAs to the way more competitive and larger Jap VA industry.
>>343276076
neber eber
>>343275859
If that logic was sound you could apply it to everything but you can't or else we'd all be content creators for everything we want. But humans only get to spend a little bit of time on earth so we offer to pay for services we can't perform ourselves due to time constraints.
>>343275639
By cultural difference, it just doesn't work right
MGS is more "westernized"
>>343276097
*delayed
>>343274491
the shitstorm is because they are going to be "considering the option to sell you that cut content later"
ontop of their apalling censorship bullshit theyve been doing
im sure youre sitting here spamming autism because you are trying to defend that cancer that is their localization
lol, good job on that
>>343276057
You'll still be relying on the fucking dubtitles, dude. You might think the audio is somehow enhancing your experience because now it feels super Japanese or some shit, but you're getting all of the information from the text while the voices are just background noise.
>>343275859
You're retarded. Now I see why you're still clinging to that dumb as fuck argument.
>>343275526
I already know 3 fucking languages and understand more 2, give me a break, I ain't a dictionary
>>343273759
If a portal exists through the noose, why do I need to hang myself by the neck when I could just push my whole body through it?
>>343275893
They region locked Arena because they didn't want Japs importing it from america cheap.
>>343275526
I don't have time for that but I still care.
>>343274491
Do you watch dubbed movies too?
>>343276092
Haven't you heard, they're going to nickle and dime us with it as DLC if the game sells well.
Probably going to make playing trough it again with it a trophy as well.
>>343276137
No, it's like crying that the company who makes the frozen pizzas you like puts tomato chunks on the top.
Either stop buying the product, or pick them out. You can't expect a fucking business to cater solely to you by launching a new product where the chunks are in a separate bag so you can pick and choose if you want them.
>instead of just licensing the voice actors they already had they went and recorded english lines
And no, it's not "cheaper" to hire a whole fucking cast again and do all the lines
Remember how almost all voice actors are in that voice actor union shit? I say they cost more than Japanese voice actors
>>343276103
Are you trying to tell me Kiefer Sutherland or Mark Hamill are less popular than any fucking nip va?
>>343276179
>because now it feels super Japanese or some shit
Or maybe because it adds those things I mentioned that aren't fully expressed through mere words?
Saying "I hate you" in a calm and quiet tone compared to "I hate you" in a raspy emotional tone are two very different things, but seeing as you have autism I can understand why you are having a hard time comprehending this.
Reading the text tells me what they are saying, hearing them speak tells me specifically how they are saying it.
>>343276251
And they would region lock P5 for the same reason if it shipped with dual audio. The reason they are considering jap audio as dlc at all is charging reverse importers for a comparable price to just buying the Japanese version.
>forced dub
>they expect me to buy it
HAHAHAHA
>>343276179
An annoying cringey background noise
Last game I tried playing with English dub was FFXIII and it got much better once I gave up on it and switched to Jap, even though I could tell that the subtitles didn't match the voiceover.
Just hearing Vanille or Hope talk in English gave me a headache.
Looks like a modded PS3 Is the only way to enjoy the game. Thanks for not wanting my money Atlus.
>>343276179
Just shut up, you sound like a deaf person telling someone who can hear why being able to hear doesn't matter at all and they experience everything the same thanks to subtitles.
>>343276324
i sure as fuck can when there are other companies providing that exact service I'm asking for but they just unfortunately didn't have the persona flavored one.
go fuck yourself with more food analogies please
>>343276139
It's more like the Japanese are more invested in the market. VA is huge there.
>>343276226
Why did you waste your time on 4 worthless languages then?
>>343276275
You have enough time to argue on an imageboard, you have enough time to learn a language.
>>343276362
I'm sorry the concept of the script isn't good enough for you and you need it clearly spelt out. If you'd actually played the games, you'd notice that the characters usually have retarded little emojis and stamp their feet when they're mad, so you don't even need the audio to find out if they're shouting.
>>343276354
MGS was noted as being an exception, and where did Mark Hamill come from? Does he do dubs for Jap games?
Besides, both of those are celebrities outside of being a voice actor.
>>343273052
Those clicking niggers in Africa would like to have a word with you.
>>343276407
>b-but muh emotion
>i can hear the EMOTION of glorious nip voice acting!!
>>343276460
I had to, I didn't had an option
Either this or be mute for a large portion of my life
>>343276472
Hamill was in Yakuza 1. Besides most nip va's do shit outside of voice work as well.
>>343276472
I know Hamil did Majima in Yakuza.
Its really hard to tell if he was any good in it, the timing on the english voices was all kinds of fucked up.
>>343276460
>I'm sorry the concept of the script isn't good enough for you and you need it clearly spelt out.
You legitimately have autism, I'm sorry you had to find out this way.
If you think having audio enhancing dialogue (the whole point of having a dub!) is a bad thing, you are beyond hope.
>>343276460
>You have enough time to argue on an imageboard, you have enough time to learn a language.
They don't require the same amount of time or effort. You're exaggerations are making your bait look weak.
>>343276392
Hence the mute argument. Good job keeping up.
>>343276457
Just because other companies offer the little baggies, doesn't mean every company will. It's up to them, and if you don't like it, don't buy it. Don't throw your toys out of the pram and demand a company cater to your tiny market share, that's as pathetic as SJWs.
>>343276354
No? I'm saying that the Jap VA industry has more importance placed on it than ours does so when you compare dubs where nobody gave a shit to the original audio the difference is painfully noticeable. There's obviously going to be a few exceptions but even then those people aren't going to be putting in as much effort as they normally would for some dub.
>>343271313
>PS3 died a few months ago
Why
>>343276529
Yes you have autism I get it.
>>343276353
I think it's more a factor of them thinking that a subbed game will sell less than a dubbed game.
Those of us who want dual audio are already guaranteed buyers, but they think newcomers aren't going to want to play a game in nipnog, so they prioritize a dub but don't include a sub to cut costs in case it doesn't sell as expected. Which makes sense for a small release, but this is Sega/Atlus we're talking about and one of their biggest franchises, so Jewery really is the only excuse, especially since much smaller releases have had dual audio such as the original Disgaea (an Atlus release in the west).
>>343273124
That game is developed by SEGA and published by them as well. Remember that the VA licensing issues are mostly on the original companies and how their contracts work out. ATLUS USA has published games like KOF XIII with full JP audio before. It really does mostly come down to ATLUS in Japan being very stingy with contracts.
>>343276585
>audio enhancing dialogue
In a language you can't understand.
If the dub work is too terrible to bear, mute it. You're not actually getting anything from the audio aside from "wow, it's like I'm really Japanese!", it's just sad.
>>343276608
I guarantee you spend more time shitposting than you would studying Japanese. Unless you're some phone poster scum who only posts in the 5 minute downtime between his lectures.
>>343276529
Well will you understand that VA is a serious carrier in Japan? They can advertise stuff based on who VA them the same way you'd advertise a movie for it's AAA actors.
It's not like the couple of hobos that do the English VA, so yes you can hear the actual emotions because they give slightly more of a fuck than some random normies who probably hate voicing this shit because they still think anime is for autists and kids only.
>>343276627
I'm not buying it. I'm still going to tell them why. Customer feedback is important and a lot of company changes hinge on that kind of info.
>>343273734
>time it takes to complaining about no JP audio
2 minutes
>time it takes to learn Japanese to the point where you can actually understand the game on the same level as you can understand English
1000 hours
See the difference?
>>343276354
As voice actors? Yes. When people think of those two, they don't think of their voice-acting, but live-action they performed in.
In Japan many voice actors are popular specifically for their voice roles.
>>343276759
Okay, sounds good in theory.
Where is the proofs?
>>343273915
That might be fine if I want to listen to Ashley burch
>>343276627
I mean the English VA is an annoying background noice. So yes you are right in that one.
>>343272231
English VA are prima donnas. Some include clauses in their contracts to avoid jap va in their works.
>>343276773
Go ahead, I'm sure they'll really take your feedback on board.
Maybe in future, you could direct your complaints directly to them instead of crying on an imageboard they don't even visit.
>>343276765
>In a language you can't understand.
you don't need to speak japanese to hear certain emotions in voice
>You're not actually getting anything from the audio aside from "wow, it's like I'm really Japanese!"
You're like a broken record, just repeating the same thing over and over again, ignoring any reputations of your bullshit.
Enjoy your autism.
>>343276529
I don't get why people get so worked up about this. Is your first language English? If it wasn't it should be damn obvious just how bad translations usually are. Hell, when I've got a choice I usually read stuff in English rather than my native tongue since there's a larger target audience and the translators for English are always better. But dubs really cheap out, there's only a handful of VAs total doing them, a lot of them aren't great and neither is the casting. The original has better voice acting damn near every time.
>>343276842
I'm just explaining it here as well. Wait.
Was that the original problem you had? This is a discussion board man.
>>343273262
shill damage control
>>343271313
Can't they just include the eng sub along with the chinese one? I'm sure it won't take long since they have everything ready they would just need a guy who know english
>>343276723
I think Atlus just has some bizarre obsession with trying to make people love their dubs. If it was pure money grubbing they wouldn't bother to put effort into pumping out above average dubs.
kek
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=f1RiwTl46ds
why's it so hard for them to release jap voices?
I don't get what the big deal is
>>343277020
At this point it's about spite.
>>343276941
translation isn't nearly such a smooth process, but considering they should have the dub done 4 or 5 months later, they'd probably already have a decent translation done by the time the game comes out in china
>>343276963
That might be a reason to. Someone high up in the decision making process that's also emotionally invested in the dubbing, that doesn't want to hurt the english voice actors feelings by offering alternatives to their work. I wouldn't rule out nepotism as a factor in that.
>>343276798
Sutherland, fine. Hamill though? His voice work is crazy popular. Also everyone tends to overblow how important voice work is in japan. They are by no means mainstream celebrities and usually just have cult followings like Nana. Also voice actors in japan come and go ,at least in terms of the work they get, as compared to here where they stagnate.
>>343277020
ever torrented some old obscure film and the only download is one with 65 dozen languages, and takes up 93 terabytes despite the video being in 144p?
That's why. They don't want to increase the filesize for such a small part of the customers(most of who'll buy it anyway).
>>343271313
>tfw you aren't a weeb and are fine with dubs
Please tell me how jap voice actors are soooooo much better even though you cant understand what they are saying. It amuses the fuck out of me that you weebs are this butt blasted.
>>343275808
People here always overblow /v/'s impact
>>343277175
>filesize issues in 2016
haha yeah thats why I'm sure
>>343271313
you have to pay the voice actors, or their firm, or whoever holds the rights to their work SERIOUSLY JUST FUCK OFF, for every release of the game.
They don't want to pay the voice actors again.
The obvious answer to this would be to offer it as paid dlc, but everyone would lose their shit if a company demanded that you pay for a feature that would cost extra money.
>mfw I read faster than the audio has time to finish anyway
I swear over half the dialogue in P4 and P3 isn't voiced anyway. We'll all be fine regardless of audio, unless you're that slow of a reader.
>>343277065
>>343276941
The Chinese and English translation is being handled by different teams. With how slow Atlus USA has been with releasing gameplay trailers or any other material, it's safe to assume that they got materials significantly later than Chinese translators.
>>343277217
>implying japs can into compression
>>343277176
japanese audio may or may not be bad
but listening to it in english removes all doubt
>>343277176
So you wouldn't prefer to have the game release at the same time as japan and play with original voices? You want it delayed half a year just for your precious english va's?
>>343277176
I think they usually sound better. And having consistent voices for characters across all games and iterations is pretty nice.
>>343276324
Just stop embarrassing yourself, fatty.
>>343277260
Then why is NA the only region not paying for jap audio?
>>343277124
My best guess is nepotism. Especially since it's always the same group of peoplewho have zero fucking rangewho always get invited back for the dubs.
>>343276460
One of the symptoms of autism is the inability to read emotions out of the voice. Here we have such an individual.
>>343277260
>you have to pay the voice actors, or their firm, or whoever holds the rights to their work
I guess that's why the chinks get japanese audio but for some reason not the US
>>343277260
Voices as DLC has happened before.
And as has been noted, other companies do manage to bring over Japanese voices, even when the English market from them is significantly more niche. This is just Atlus Japan making consistently bad contracts.
>>343271313
>i stand by our english dubs and think they're great
That's great faggot how about you sell me the product I want to buy instead.
>>343271313
>Game series is only played by ugly virgin weeaboos in the west
>Said weeaboos are autistic enough to think the over dramatic Japanese voice actors are some how good
Honestly, the company SHOULD have pandered to these lost causes, they don't seem to know their audience
>>343277175
you're so full of shit it's not even fucking funny
ps3 and ps4 both use fuckhuge bluray discs
>>343277390
Funny thing is that it could also work in the other direction, not wanting the game to have a dub at all or even a sub because the autism tells the person that everything must be in its original language, no matter what.
>>343277431
Has atlus ever done voices as dlc before? They're huge jews so I wouldn't put it past 'em.I'd buy it anyway though.
Who /bumblethroughJPversion/ here?
I'd gladly pay for a second audio track DLC, if I had a job that is.
I don't want dual audio in my media.
I just need the original audio.
>>343277000
from this video I ended up on the jap dub of the joker interrogation scene and I gotta say. It's on point.
![[HorribleSubs] Flying Witch - 12 [720p].mkv_snapshot_05.13_[2016.06.26_17.00.18].jpg](https://i.imgur.com/XyhmXvZ.jpg "[HorribleSubs] Flying Witch - 12 [720p].mkv_snapshot_05.13_[2016.06.26_17.00.18].jpg")
>we evaluate for every game, but it's never as simple as ticking a box
If you go into projects with the assumption of providing dual-audio then you can negotiate favourable contracts that let you use Japanese VA tracks internationally. Not doing so is indicative of laziness, complacency, contempt and/or tight-fistedness.
>and English dubs are worthy of your respect
Don't you dictate to me what's "respectable", shitcunt.
>>343277176
Do you watch french/german films in english too?
>>343277431
and I don't think I've ever seen people complain about voices as DLC. People would just be happy to get it.
>>343271313
Sorry weebs. No one cares about you. Not even the companies porting the shitty fanbait games to you.
>>343277460
Not him, but you're an actual retard.
>>343277460
>because the autism tells the person that everything must be in its original language, no matter what.
That doesn't make sense given the symptom listed.
Go see a doctor, you fucking autist, so you can learn how to deal with your condition.
>>343277443
>overdramatic japan vs soulless robotic american
I prefer the first
>>343271313
>it's never as simple as just ticking a box or flipping a switch
And yet people who make undubs do just that. Fucking jews just don't want to spend the extra shekels for licensing fees.
>>343277160
There are actors with similar consistent popularity. And with absolutely everything being dubbed in Japan, be it movies or TV Shows, it's not far-fetched to say that some VAs would have bigger local fanbase than Hamil does.
It's true that only handful of voice actors reach actual celebrity status, but there's really nothing alike for US. There are celebrities who get voice roles, but hardly any become celebrities because of their voice roles.
>>343271313
>dual audio isn't as easy as flipping a switch
yes it is actually, just play the other file
>>343277358
I don't know, but it is the CORRECT question you should be asking Atlas.
Retards will actually defend this
>>343277573
Kind of funny in a way. A weeb company doesn't give a damn about weebs.
