Was this DLC any good, /v/?
>>343250864
no.
The new aliens get to act whenever you make an action,
You move, they can move/attack/etc
it's bullshit
>>343251987
>the dlc is too challenging for my baby mind
The dlc adds new weapons and armors the new alien rulers are challenging in a good way and adds variety to the missions
>>343251987
freeze bomb is pretty baller
>>343251987
the bullshit is archon king's everything and berzerker queen being able to aoe knock people unconscious.
>>343250864
Horrible. They tried to make boss fights work in Xcom but decided that it would have to break rules no sane person would expect
Are MECs in yet?
>>343253058
Not until the next dlc
This DLC is very bad for a lot of reasons. Check the reviews on the Steam store page, most of them are pretty accurate.
The long and short of it is that it makes Ironman games basically unplayable and really adds nothing of value to the game. If you were unfortunate enough to buy the season pass (like me), you'll probably wind up uninstalling the DLC for future games (like me).
>>343250864
I'm holding off on replaying XCOM 2 until all the DLC are out.
From what I have heard, its really, really hard.
And the new arm and stuff is cool.
I look forward to them adding mec troops back.
>>343250864
God damn this game was such a piece of shit.
Maybe it'll get better once the whole product is finally released. Otherwise you might as well play an older XCOM and have a better time.
>>343255361
With all the mods that are out and the fixes since release its hard to not recommend at least a half way Ironman Run to try them out
>>343250864
The effects of the new armor and weapons are cool, but look absolutely goofy
The bosses added don't just bring new rules to the fight, they outright break everything established in the series and outright cheat; they are absolutely bullshit
Has anyone modded this DLC to balance it out?
>>343255683
>good sequel to xcom 2012
>says it's a piece of shit not being similar to older xcom games
>>343251987
So what was with Firaxis deciding to make the game actively worse with every DLC?
At this point, "Shen's Last Gift" will be the game reformatting your hard drive.
Challenges are hard so the DLC is bad!
Holy fuck what has happened to /v/.
>the dlc is too hard in a notorious hard game
>so therefore dlc is garbage
Shen's Gift WHEN
I want an excuse to play this again.
>>343252534
>enemies ignoring the turn-based structure in a turn-based game
>justifiable in any sense
>>343256636
>>343256840
Its not the difficulty, its that the bosses break all the rules of the game and require you to carry around gimmick weapons at all times since they are random encounters. The Armor they give also just breaks the game and makes it to easy. What the fuck were they thinking when they added random boss fights to missions that already have time limits?
>>343256840
>>343256636
It'd be hard in a fair way if the bosses didn't have the ability to destroy a unit every movement you make with said units. It's all because of that one new rule where they can move every action that fucks everything up
>>343256943
Every turn in xcom is considered a few seconds in real time. The rulers are genetically enhanced. So of course their gonna move every turn. they are moving at quicker speeds.
>>343256943
There are shit ton of item and ability to counter them though. Personally, I like running 4 Rapid fire shotgunner. Those 25 damage + double crit one shot everything. They can also be executed
It was alright. The real crime is that all the new weapons and armors dont mesh with the general style of the game at all.
>didnt finish xcom2 cause got sick of performance issues
>start again after alien hunters
>mfw first time encountering a viper king
FUCKER MOVES WHENEVER I MOVE AND HAS HEALTH EQUAL TO A LONG WAR SECTOPOD
>>343257978
>Long war sectopod with movement every movement
I am glad I never bought XCOM 2.
>>343257978
so when the fuck is a long war mod coming out for that game
>>343258140
I actually managed to kill it without losing any men, since it just spammed tongue attacks and wraps which you can break people out of.the berserker version on the other hand...
>>343256943
Nigga bosses have been doing this in FF games for ages. Where the hell have you been?
>>343258542
FF bosses cant perma kill your team or cause you to restart the entire game if you take to long fighting them
>>343257880
Oh god this.
It's all fucking HnK/Mad Max shit.
Where's the /operator/ gear.
>bought special edition with season pass
>beat game
>forgot DLC was even coming
>apparently it's shit anyway
So enemies move every time you move a soldier instead of at the end of your turn?
What bullshit.
>>343258678
They disappear after a few turns.
Viper is kind of a joke, really, and the floater one just means you gotta keep spread out enough not to get wrecked by the rockets.berserker on the other hand....
>>343257124
I can wait for when they re-add the gene lab and my soldiers can move every time an enemy does.
>>343258808
If you're prepared for itexcept the berserkerits not too bad. Honestly it was the only challenging thing about the game after I got soldiers above the 3rd rank.
Don't know if kill zone procs more than once when they move.
It's really no worse or better than Gangplank or Elite Soldier Customization
The DLC is meant to be a challenge, the mission stays there forever and you can take it on anytime you want, the weapons being given beforehand. The only complaint I have is that it doesn't warn you these assholes will show up regularly afterwards.
The expansions are the only deal worth getting in Firaxis games, the DLC are quick funds along the way
>>343258542
Final Fantasy is not an example of good design
>>343258992
Elite Soldier customization was better than fucking Anarchy's Children, though. You're right about Gangplank generally being shit, although it's a fucking delight in Long War.
>storm the towers on the battleship
>slaughter an unending tide of zenos piecemeal as though all of civilization depended on it
Fuck that cyberdisc, though.
>>343259121
What is then, boss?
>>343259379
Jesus mate, hundreds of games. Why the fuck do you want me to list them?
>>343256576
>So what was with Firaxis deciding to make the game actively worse with every DLC?
and to think they got it right with Enemy Unknown & Enemy Within.
it was a mistake bringing the Long War people in to work on the game.
>>343259502
Should have been easy for you to list one then.
You're just afraid someone will shoot down your suggestion, aren't you?
>>343259773
I am waiting to shoot it down like a hawk
>>343259807
me too desu
>>343259773
Okay, God Hand.
>>343259651
that explains why there's no long war mod yet
they're literally working on the game
>>343259651
For all their praise for LW, Firaxis sure didn't bother implementing any of its good mechanics.
>>343258808
>So enemies move every time you move a soldier instead of at the end of your turn?
only the special ones. and they move when you move, shoot, reload, etc... IN ADDITION TO THEIR NORMAL TURN
So you can have an enemy act TWELVE TIMES DURING YOUR TURN!
How is that NOT bullshit? Last line directed to >>343256636 >>343256840 >>343252534
>>343260029
Don't forget the only way to stand a chance against them is to carry their hard counters with you on every mission to avoid a total wipe in case they show up. Then, of course, you get their absolutely broken gear if you beat them. Crazy how the DLC actively ruins item diversity.
Can I just disable the dlc?
>>343262195
Yea
Uncheck the DLC on the game's page in your library.
>>343260029
Good news, friend! You can use the handy dandy new items that stun / incapacitate / do extreme amounts of damage to them, which are only available in the DLC!
And most of these new abilities (such as the throwing axe) don't consume an action and therefore don't trigger the boss alien special attacks! Hope you like bringing these items with you on every mission and making sure they are available / not on cooldown for when you randomly run into the boss!
Terrible DLC.
>>343262621
they even ask you if you want to enable the Alien Hunter DLC each time you start a new game
>>343250864
Just started a new game with the new DLC. Killed the viper king, he was pretty hard but just staved off being bullshit by having to reload after every shot. But from what Im hearing the other two crank the horse shit up to 11, I hope they fix it up a bit.
Also the anarchy children DLC what the fuck where they thinking?
>Hey you know those cool military cosmetics some modders are making are the most popular of all the mods?
>Lets not make something like that, and instead charge a couple bucks for stupid clowny bullshit that doesn't fit with the ascetic of the main game at all
>>343263882
at least they didnt go the route alot of devs these days do and charge money for stuff the moders already did.
Jesus christ between the time limits and this now it seems really obvious they don't know how to add anything worthwhile to the mechanics of the first game. Do they have a different team making this or something?
>>343256840
>artificial difficulty is okay
>>343263882
I would've appreciated them expanding upon the whole guerilla aesthetic, maybe throw in some makeshift/salvaged variants of T2 armors/weapons, but goddamn did they go full retard with AC.
Didn't even know about it until now
I see its only 10 bucks, so guessing it's not quite as much content as Enemy Within
>>343264289
Time limits are fine though
>>343264289
There's nothing wrong with time limits. There should be more variable triggers for them, though, and more missions with multiple phases to them.
Is this game still just about throwing mimic beacons, have stasis on as many psi operatives as possible and if you don't kill a pod on your first turn you might as well go home.
Im going with yes.
>>343265116
IIRC they fixed the mimic beacon bullshit. Or maybe that was a mod. Grenadiers and PsiOps still dominate, though.
>>343265116
yes
enemies are broken, so you gotta be as cheesy as possible all the time
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=HGKwpTVdWUw
kinda reminds me of old school isometric RPGs really
>>343265116
Depends on difficulty
Not all of us play on masochistic hair-tearing keyboard-flinging levels you know
>>343265116
>Is this game still just about throwing mimic beacons, have stasis on as many psi operatives as possible
My first time through the game on classic, I didn't use psi or mimic beacons at all. It was, like, 3 grenadiers, an shotgun specced assualy and a pistol specced ranger. Grenadiers carried me through the whole game
>>343264890
>>343264978
There is nothing wrong with them in moderation, but as they are used they are mostly just a lazy as shit excuse to try to keep players from turtling since they couldn't figure out a better way to make you play aggressively.
>>343265310
The only other way is a soft timer that states heavy reinforcements and they probably failed to make it not broken
>>343265703
just look at avatar project black site missions
reinforcements can be fucking farmed when you're leaving those, I've killed like 40 of them before getting bored and leaving
Hrmmm
>>343265910
>filename
>>343265910
Is that a fucking wooden frame on the gun? What the fucking fuck. How does he even aim?
>>343265991
Nothing wrong with a classy wooden finish
But that shit on the front looks absurd, worse than the fish guns
>>343266090
yeah, but it doesnt really fit when everything else is tacticool and scifi. Considering the front, can't really say much, I dont know what kind of fantasy magic it shoot.
>>343266314
In both 1 and 2, I was sad when I had to move away from the groovy big-ass rifles with powerful sounds and thick padded combat armour to the scifi laser shit
Would have loved the option to fight the ayy to the end with hot lead to the domes
>>343266674
I guess its up to the design choices the devs make. But yeah.
>>343256840
>in a notorious hard game
Outside of RNG there's no real difficulty.
>>343258678
A little late, but bosses can cast doom on your party if you take your sweet time fighting them. Granted it's not perma death if you saved beforehand, but I tend to do that often so I get fucked good.
>>343251987
they saw that the playerbase that stuck with the game for multiple playthroughs would bend the game over and give it the dick, essentially never taking any losses. this was their solution to barren memorial walls, I suppose.
>>343267908
meh, the game is based around having a few super soldiers instead of the meatgrinder of the original X-COMs.
Soldiers are so OP in the new ones that the only way they can be killed is if the devs shit on your mouth and just take them from you. And since they're not easy to replace as any random soldier in the originals, it's a fucking pain in the ass.
>>343267908
What, even on the high difficulty? Isn't that where you go if you want a soldier-killing challenge?
>>343265910
Holy fuck... And I thought the base game had shit designs...
>>343264667
>The cosmetic I was the most psyched for was XcomEU/EW armor ported over, or the advent armor for Xcom.
Vanilla T2 I guess fit but it looked like ass.
Vanilla T3 they just fucked up by making it skin tight. EU's power armor was on point for being human-like in design but looking beefy and thick and padded.
With the weapons I loved T2's look, T3's I didn't like but that is just a personal taste point of view. They look fine but I miss the heavy nasty feeling of plasma in Xcom1. Where instead of a single charged beam you had thick globs of death.
>>343265991
The pistol is literally a wheel-lock looking thing.
>>343267482
Bullet sponge or RNG, the only ways western dev can into 'difficulty'
>>343268465
Absolutely. The game has this awful inverted difficulty curve where the abilities you get vastly overpower anything the enemy has. Grenadiers get massive AoE attacks with various debuffs, can fire multiple grenades on a turn, and get an absolute shitload of them. Psiguys don't level up via missions any more, so you can just stick them in an incubator until they hatch into pod-wiping gods. Enjoy controlling a Gatekeeper for an entire mission, or freezing a pesky Sectopod in place for a whole turn. You can pull shit like this >>343265214 on a whim.
>>343268636
>The pistol is literally a wheel-lock looking thing.
I cant't really express my disappointment. New games.....
>>343268636
>Vanilla T3 they just fucked up by making it skin tight. EU's power armor was on point for being human-like in design but looking beefy and thick and padded.
Well, if you think about it, Xcom1995 wasnt about guerilla fights. So skin tight stuff fits, I guess.
>>343266674
Got mods to do that. I miss the lasers in Xcom1 along with the plasma. Gauss is fucking baller in Xcom2 though, hell of a lot better than the weird tink-tink-tink hollow-ish noise you had in Long-Dong's gauss.
On the plus side with a lot of cosmetic mods I've fallen in love with the spess mehreen look. Generic, sure, but it gets results.
>>343265214
>>343265116
Even in Long dong while I pathologically tried to always wipe out a pod on a single turn (later game it was impossible, especially with landed ufos) it didn't feel like an apocalypse if you didn't wipe them out. I think if I had to blame something specifically it is how cover works (I believe it's documented how the lower the chance of the enemy hitting you paradoxically the higher the chance of a crit.). Xcom1 full cover meant if you were hit you had low-medium damage but in Xcom2 I have consistently had high damage and even a critical hit in a perpendicular shot on full cover (both against an enemy or against my guys).
The funny thing is I think in playing for 202 hours I've had a Sectopod shoot at me once. Otherwise every single time I will wipe it out the minute I meet it because of how high a threat I think it is.
>>343269156
It's a bit better than I thought I remembered it looking http://static2.gamespot.com/uploads/original/1365/13658182/3063215-xcom+2_alien+hunters_screenshot_ragearmor_shadowkeeper.jpg but do not look up the alien hunter axes. Just don't look it up.
Don't.http://images.akamai.steamusercontent.com/ugc/266088771221579166/BAEB5BA68344E43D6C3C1FC32AFBA8AD9439C608/ here is the axe and the other weapons
>>343269537
Yeah while I disliked Xcom2's T2 (Exo suit looked great though. Is it >>343269709 ) and T3 armor by comparison with the past they looked good. Xcom95's wasn't terrible but then Apocalypse was just ayyy wtf.
But EU/EW to me knocked it out of the park and there wasn't a single cosmetic I didn't like.
What I know I really miss is Mutons being the main frontline foe. Advent has the charm of cyberpunk feel but I liked those big mean fighting machines. They seem too penis-head spandex in Xcom2. Granted they were literal green penis-apes in spandex in Xcom95.
>>343269709
>Just don't look it up.
T-t-thanks.. I guess. :|
Awww fuck
>>343250864
Nope. The new enemies are just 3 mini bosses and they are absolutely dog shit in terms of balance. Your only strategy against them is to stand still and take shots. You can't move, you can't hunker, you can't heal. You just try to do damage while receiving guaranteed damage.
It's awful.
>shitty looking armor and weapons
>bullshit enemies that only Long Dongers could possibly tolerate
I really had high hopes for the DLC since Firaxis did good work with EU and Civ 5.
>>343270264
Wanna feel better?
Look at what someone is making for a replacement to Xcom2 Plasma: http://steamcommunity.com/sharedfiles/filedetails/?id=707170261
Compare the welcome-to-earth-fuck-you look of that mercenary plasma beam vs https://fsmedia.imgix.net/d6/88/40/c8/6497/4ff4/915f/fcf08b402390/xcom-2-is-a-tough-game-but-follow-this-guide-and-youll-have-plasma-weapons-in-no-time-guarantee.jpeg . I mean it looks nice but almost too nice for 'tony st- central bradford made this in a cave while drunk'
You've also got the Halo reach weapons (regardless of preferring halo or not they look cool), and mods that let you keep using ballistic or magnetics to T3.
But I'm a New conglomerate/Terran kind of guy, if you want to go "We must beat the Ayys by becoming them" then vanilla T3 is perfect.
I don't plan on playing this until all the DLC is out, what's it like compared to EU/EW?
>>343271019
Take way bigger risks the game.
>>343270598
>Firaxis did good work with EU
but it's a pile of shit that's nothing like an actual Julian Gollop style x-com game
>>343271114
I wonder if his kickstarter ayylmao-shooter also has 5 man teams.
[s]pls no[/s]
>>343263065
That only turns off the story mission. They still appear.
>>343268812
God forbid there's RNG in a fucking XCOM game. Fuck off, weeb.
Using items that stun, freeze or distract enemies works, flashbangs and so on work too, sword slash debuffs, a psi operative or two can keep them under control.
Its okay really.
The toughest one was probably the archon because of DODGE: Grazed! a mechanic for which someone should be killed.
>snake king appears on timed mission
>you have now have zero chance of anyone in your squad surviving
Really interesting game design, you can tell they put some thought into this DLC.
>>343268812
Got any other suggestions as to difficulty? Or are you baiting?
>>343272723
The archon seems like a fucking nightmare to fight. His blazing pinions are incredibly retarded. The one time I fought him he was about to launch but my grenadier got him with a 10% execution.
>>343272963
Yeah it was genuinely unfun the few times ive had to fight him. I'd say its the worst point of the DLC.
First time seeing him a playthrough was ruined by me starting with most of my men on a rooftop, I tried to clear out the squad but I lost three men to the pinions exploding and falling through a few floors.
In that scenario i really would like if they took longer to trigger but then that's breaking the 'ruler' rules I suppose.
Should have sent out the guy with freeze nades first, just in case.
