who here agrees with me that FFX was the best FF game?
If you are looking for a general consensus on something then you are at the wrong website, anon
Wow that's a great analysis of the game OP, based on the factors you listed I can definitely see why you think that way. Great job starting a thread.
>>343224831
It isn't. Proof is that it got a shitty remaster when FF7 is getting a full remake.
FF7 confirmed best FF.
9 > 6 > 5 > 10 > Everything else
FACTS
From a pure gameplay perspective? No.
Storyline and content? Fuck no.
>>343224831
It's my second favorite behind VIII.
>>343225141
I feel like there is general consensus that you are a indeed a faggot.
>>343225958
My absolute nigger.
Not even close to be honest.XIII was more fun and its kinda shit, so X is pretty terrible
>X
>notX-2
shit taste
>>343226085
FFXII holds the record for how many times I've fallen asleep playing ANY video game ever. Literally dozed off like 4 times due to the boring game play.
One time I remember "fighting" a bosse (ie watching gambits handle shit) and woke up the Battle Result screen.
Like the donald says, B-O-R-I-N-G.
>>343224831
It is the best
>>343226201
Pure gameplay is the best part of X. It literally has the best gameplay in the series
VIII > X > IX > VII > VI > LR > XIII-2 = XII > IV > V > X-2 = XIII > III > I > II
>>343226738
what a waste of time putting this together
>>343226821
Posting here in general is a waste of time.
>Yfw an al bhed get on the same bus than you.
>>343226617
Stop chugging NyQuil before playing, genius.
Combat was a breath of fresh air and it's more about your planning and management than selecting Holy over and over again.
>>343226882
what else am I supposed to do on my break besides antagonize you NEET faggots?
>>343226617
>FFXII
>battle result screen
>>343227016
>Combat was a breath of fresh air
Literally nobody believes this. I like the game but come on. The combat is dreadful.
Its my favorite game in the series, but certainly not the best.
Other than blitzball, it has hands down the worst minigames though.
>>343226995
>using the Machina
>disobeying the teachings
>>343227414
>There are people that enjoy Blitzball
I would rather cut my own cock while shaving than play that fucking garbage
>>343227775
Oh no, dont get me wrong, I dont like it either, but at least it does make sense why people would like it.
I dont know why anyone at Square thought shit like lightning dodging or butterfly hunting was a good idea. But I can understand the appeal of Underwater Sports Ball: Stats Edition.
>>343227775
I'd play a standalone blitzball game in a heartbeat
>>343226085
I'm still mad at myself for expecting this to be actual action-RPG like Tales, it's a realtime RPG but there's nothing action about that snorefest which mostly plays itself.
>>343224831
me, but it's hit or miss, all my friends loved the game and think it's the best ff, but also a lot of people I know really hate the game too, so you either love it or hate it, no in between
>>343227775
I stopped my playthrough during blitzball and never played the game again. Only later I learned that after that one match it's no longer a mandatory part of the game. But by then I thought "Well, it wasn't really THAT interesting of a game anyway so I'm not starting over."
>>343226617
Literally me. Everytime I would quit the game, pick it up after a few months and then get incredibly bored doing the marks, there's a shitton of content which is good but it's just so boring that I inmediatly don't want to do stuff, graphics and ost were godlike but they couldn't save the game for me
>>343228101
Same. I think I played over 100 hours of the blitzball minigame alone, shit's addictive and the jecht shot is just beautiful to look at.
>>343228665
Feels like the most polarizing FF to me, however it's also the 2nd most popular so it's really only a vocal minority who seem to shit on it
>>343224831
I think it's one of the worst.
12>9>Vagrant Story> 6>7>3>4>10>5>2>8>1
It's definitely my favorite, but the best FF is objectively FF6.
>>343229293
>I call this opinion that is not even my opinion objective based on nothing
FUCK THESE FUCKING LIGHTNING BOLTS I JUST WANT THE SUPER SPECIAL WEAPON FOR LULU REEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEE
>>343229293
Objectively XIII would be the best because it has the highest visual and sound quality of the currently released games and is also one of the longer ones if I remember correctly. But trying to pick am objectively "best" one is retarded when it's subjectivity that matters.
>>343229293
>Implying the best FF isn't V
>>343224831
it's one of the best, hating it is literally a forced meme.
>>343225849
10 wasn't flawed enough to warrant a remake, FF7 was very shitty and required one to make it not shit.
>>343228756
it's good and even better on the 2nd playthrough.
>>343229159
Don't tell me you haven't played Tactics.
>>343229918
>using a mod on pc version that automatically does it for you
now to find some way to do the chocobo balloon race. fuck that shit
>>343224831
I think the game's biggest flaw is the characters are too constricted in their purposes. Whenever it's any character's turn, you're pretty much either gonna do one of two things. With Tidus it's attack or a queue buff, with Wakka it's anti-air attack or a debuff, with Auron it's protect or attack, with Yuna it's heal or summon, etc. it barely makes a difference beyond that. I think it's a great battle system put to waste. Each character getting a turn would be a lot more interesting and engaging if every character had some sort of queue manipulating technique, a variety of custom buffs and debuffs, and synergistic ways to use MP. It had a few really great stretches of gameplay here and there, but overall it's a shallow RPG with very nice presentation.
It was boring shit and the start of the corridor simulator that the series became
objective tiering not influence by /v/ memes
I = good
II = unplayable abortion, objectively worst game in the franchise
III = mediocre
IV = good
IV TAY = good
V = good
VI = good
VII = mediocre
VIII = bad
IX = bad
X = good
X-2 = good
XI = MMO and boring
XII = good but wasted potential
XIII = good
XIII-2 = good
LR XIII = good
XIV = MMO and boring
XV = not out yet, seems very questionable in quality, could be good or bad
FFT = good
FFMQ = good
>>343230625
>VII Mediocre
>IX BAD
>XIII GOOD FUCKING GOOD
>IV TAY better than VII or IX
>fucking XIII better than anything
Its not memes you faggot, you are the most retarded contrarian I've seen today.
>>343230815
>it made me butthurt it's contrarian because it conflicted with my sheeple opinions /v/ made for me so I could fit in bawwwww
he really triggered your autism
>>343224831
Far from the best, yet still my favourite. And i agree with some other Anon saying that hating X is a forced meme.
People who genuinely hate this game are beyond any doubt evil. This is a fact proven by extensive researches and confirmed by my friend's cousin. No seriously though, if you hate X there's no place for love in your life
>>343231501
>hating X is a forced meme
Saying "hating X is a forced meme" is a forced meme, you fucking faggots. the only reason you think otherwise is because a bunch of mustardracers got it on steam and realized it''s mostly shit
>>343230625
I agree with everything except you opinions on the PS1 games.
>>343232154
X is the closest FF gets to being a good game
the only people who call VII anything less than good are just being contrarian. there''s a reason its so highly regarded
>>343224831
You're 100% right and anyone who disagrees is 100% wrong.You can't argue with those numbers.
>>343224831
Me. Fuck haters. Wheres my god dam ffx merch for the hd release square? Need more Rikku shit in my life!
>>343232535
thats objectively false though. Literally take your pick of the pre-VII games, there''s at least one thats better designed overall
>>343232810
Oldfag take off the rose tinted glasses
>>343232590
yeah that reason is it was the first mainstream game that had no challenge or thought required and banked on when anime was becoming big outside of japan with spikey haired protags and giant weapons.
it's babby's first rpg by fisher price.
>>343230487
You're entirely wrong, I'm sorry.
>>343224831
That's not FFXII
I'm giving ff13 a try and holy shit, this game would have been so MUCH better without lightning and hope. Snow would have made a better MC along sahz and fang. Hope being the worse culprit, making me cringe everytime.
>mfw everytime hope and lightning talking
>>343233440
I could deal with Lightning because she''s kinda cute and has a neat design, but Hope is a fucking cringefest
>>343232810
You're objectively full of shit
>>343230487
I miss customizing and assigning jobs in final fantasy. This either role being locked into one or being a jack of all trades bullshit is insanely boring and bland.
Is it so hard to do final fantasy 10-2 combat with enhancements again?
>>343224831
It's the best to start into. The story was also very well paced with three distinct arcs. The characters were all memorable and the voice fit them. The story was simple enough to follow along with just enough plot twists to keep you hooked. So overall, I will say this game hold the widest appeal in the series, thus, has the highest chance for it to be enjoyed, thus having the highest percantage of people who enjoyed it, and thus, falling into the category of "best" game.
>>343233789
Play bravely default, it's a better final fantasy than final fantasy
>>343230487
No shit, Sherlock. What else do you want? Some utility skills that are useless? You think this is 12 where half the skills are shit? Fuck that.
>>343233440
Hope prodding himself and stirring on his own anger against Snow was my favorite part of XIII. I really liked Hope's character development. I liked most of XIII, in fact, and was disappointed when the entire cast 'Became Friends' and went off to Not Cocoon together. Whatever the giant planes were called.
The fact that everyone was at everyone else's throats for the longest time made XIII pretty fun for me.
>>343225849
>FF7 remake proofs its the best one over FFX remaster
FF7 is getting a remake only because its the most popular one. And because it hasnt aged well at all.
>>343234478
Plus, all the characters were multi-layered as fuck. The reason why Hope is so mad at his father is because he didn't come with them on vacation. He was a high-ranking politician. Which meant if he had gone with them, he would've been able to get them out of the purge, meaning his mother wouldn't have died. When his father decided not to go, he mentally stepped in his father's shoes and because he wasn't able to save his mother, he puts the blame on himself, since his father would've been able to. His anger at Snow is a way to avoid blaming himself and confronting his own weakness. See, the entire story seems pointless because the cast just wonders around, but it's actually about them coming to terms with their weakness so they can summon their Eidolons. It's only when Hope realizes and comes to terms with the fact that no one is responsible for his mother's death does he finally move on and summon Alexander. It's all such a great character study.
>>343225958
You seem to have forgotten 4. Also, 10 would be part of 'Everything else'.
>>343235075
But hope sucks. Yea theres development, but he was a shotty character
>>343235370
No he didn't because that his his opinion, not yours. Because everything doesn't revolve around you, you self centered ,passive agressive, faggot
>>343235415
>>343235415
They all were. They were all shitty selfish human beings until they got their act together. That's what makes the later group dynamics so great. See, the fal'cies had little respect for humans because they knew they were inherently selfish beings, but the goddess Etro pitied them because she knew they could be much more. And it's when they finally demonstrate this solidarity that she reaches across realms to help them. It's to show that together, even humans can topple gods.
>>343230625
>IX
>bad
kys
>>343236336
Hey somebody else actually gets it. The game had some glaring flaws but it isn't nearly as bad as it's made out to be, and the story is pretty engaging because of the characters. I still wouldn't put it above mid-tier, but it's a solid game IMO.
Replying through the remaster, I had forgotten how many cutscenes were in the game
I know it's because it was the first voiced FF game but damn
>People in THIS thread will NEVER know the joy of 75 cap FFXI
I truly pity you all
>>343236492
spotted the furfag
>>343236336
Problem with Hope was we already had the brooding, poor me character in lightning. We didnt need a second. The segement at the start of the game where you are forced to play with just those two didnt help
>>343226373
>XIII was more fun
If you like mashing autobattle over and over then sure.
It was the beginning of the end for FF.
Best "gameplay", worst everything else.
FF hasn't recovered since.
>>343239292
>as opposed to mash the fight command
fuck off with this gay shit parrot
>>343230625
X-2 is barely mediocre.
Gameplay is passable, but writing is godawful even by jap standars.
Is your waifu a FASHION MODEL?
>>343224831
I like it but pretty much every game before it except II and VIII are better. This was the point when the series really started prioritizing style over substance.
>>343239452
Go hump your Lightning body pillow faggot.
>>343232935
I hope you're not implying Hallway Simulator X is any better.
>>343224831
>>343239851
all FF games are linear newfag.
>>343239378
>FFags actually don't care about gameplay
It never ceases to amaze me
>>343239851
>linear is bad meme
>again
>>343239292
That was the best thing about 13. They made a battle system that was so complex that people who didn't understand it could brute force their way through it, but the people who did had a world of depth they could exploit. More than any other game in the series, 13 placed a focus on timing and pre-battle planning instead of using the strongest techniques or using a high level to your advantage.
12 > 6 > 5 > 7 > 9 > 8 > 4 > 10 > 13
Sorry but I prefer games that aren't a straight line from beginning to end and 10 minutes of gameplay for every 30 minutes of unskippable cutscenes.
>>343240273
Then you hate the entire series you faggot
>>343240030
And yet X was the first one to not have any side exploration at all.
>>343240142
If I cared about gameplay I certainly wouldn't pick the game that had over 10 hours of UNSKIPPABLE cutscenes.
>>343239167
Lightning was all righteous anger and had a "get shit done" attitude. She wasn't really brooding.
>>343240273
No you just like games spent mostly in menus and then doing something else as the game plays itself.
>>343240273
this is the meme in you speaking
>>343240030
>>343240441
So because the game has a lot of cutscenes it means that the gameplay isn't good? There's more gameplay in X than most of the other FFs, when you want to start making a real argument get back to me
>>343240441
Seriously, bruh
>baaj
>remiem
>omega dungeon
>yojimbo cave
>>343240179
The fact that I could brute force my way through it meant that it failed.
> 13 placed a focus on timing and pre-battle planning instead of using the strongest techniques or using a high level to your advantage.
Oh fuck off, you just switch paradigms mid-battle and hammer autobattle for 5 minutes, that's all you have to do. The eidolon bosses were the only times the game required an ounce of strategy.
>>343240612
kek this memer
>>343240612
That's exactly what I mean. No other game has such a big difference between play styles. Usually, when you watch someone beat a high level boss, they use the same strategy used by most people, because the game is built to be won a specific way, but 13 is broad enough to be played a variety of way.
>>343240361
Not every game in the series is a hallway cutscene watcher though.
>>343240548
Still better than running in a straight line for 10 minutes to watch 30 minutes of cutscenes.
>>343240583
Yes, and? That doesn't change the fact that it's linear than every other FF before it.
I couldn't agree more. My favorite was 9 for a good while but when I grew older and more mature my favorite shifted to 10. It's just honestly such a good adventure, great atmosphere and heavy emotions.
>>343235995
Why get mad?
>>343240581
>So because the game has a lot of cutscenes it means that the gameplay isn't good?
All the gameplay had going for it was the combat, and even then it wasn't THAT great.
>There's more gameplay in X than most of the other FFs
Yeah all that gameplay of running in a straight line to watch the next hour long cutscene.
>>343224831
this is the ff game i play when i can't sleep at night. i fall asleep about 10 minutes after playing.i'm not kidding
The only people who like X are people for whom it was their first FF game.
>>343240876
But you just said I wasn't playing it right if I brute forced my way through it.
>>343235995
First day on /v/?
>>343240878
You're given a destination in the story and its your job to get there. Placing a sprite on a continent and making you wander around an empty field with random encounters is not non-linear, you're being tricked into thinking you have agency, when in reality there is one place to go. You keep shouting "hallways", when in reality X give you a much more focused world without all the bullshit. They are the same levels of linearity, X just doesn't you like a retard
>>343241112
To be fair the same could be said for any FF. I've seen people defend fucking VIII just because it was their first.
>>343241118
When the fuck did I say that?
>>343241112
Insert every final fantasy game and this statement is true
>>343241253
Ah I misread it my bad.
>>343240878
I just proved you wrong because you said X had no side exploration and I proved otherwise. Notice I haven't even factored in the mini-games, the optional events, and the bonus bosses.
>>343241112
My first FF was IX yet X blows it out of the water
>>343224831
10 was one of the worst. I think I'd rather replay 13 than 10.
>>343241173
I prefer to explore an open world than be confined to a straight narrow path for the whole game.
>>343241112
>>343241214
My first was FF"III"on the SNES and i love X and VIII is my favorite.
>>343241474
That's fine, I prefer a detailed and engaging world than an empty open one. People have different tastes and pretending one style is better than another is childish. We're literally debating vanilla vs chocolate ice cream. The cons to you are the pros to me and vice versa
>>343241474
You're not exploring shit, dipshit.
If there is one thing I have done more often than anything else in the years of posting on this board, it's rate this series from best to worst. Decades from now, your children will also rate these games best to worst, and theirs after them. With a deep sigh, I will shamelessly perpetuate this unholy cycle.
IX>VII>Tactics>XII>VIII>X>V>VI>I>XIII>IVit was so fucking boring>III>II
>>343241743
I'd love to hear why VIII is your favorite.
>>343241874
I would rank V and VI above VIII but otherwise not bad.
>>343241931
VIII is also one of my favorites, I think it had an excellent atmosphere and soundtrack, character/enemy animations that were years ahead of its time, and and the junction system was an interesting observation and wordless commentary on trends in games at the time. it indirectly encouraged you to grind for items and look things up online, allowing you to break the game early on, which served as a parallel to the plot in more ways than one. it tried to do a lot of things the series never did before and was also very pretty to look at.
>>343242243
You're a retard if you think the game was meant to be broken.
>>343241931
Best characters (IMO obviously), most interesting world, best OST, I loved how customizable the junction system made the game, and I liked that they centered it on a love story as it was a ballsy thing to do for a game at the time. The story in general was interesting and overall well done despite some admittedly silly plot twists. How people still have trouble understanding it, I'll never know.
>>343242330
You're fucking stupid.
>>343241112
my first FF was 1 on the NES and I still consider 10 one of the best in the series. Try again meme shitter.
Replaying it for the first time in years. The dialogue can definitely come across as awkward in spots, but I find Tidus a lot more tolerable as a character than I did when I initially played it.
>>343242243
Well okay, I disagree with you on the junction system but I can't tell you which game should/should not be your favorite.
>>343242651
i don't think people realize that both tidus and yuna are 17 years old.
>>343242363
>Best characters (IMO obviously)
Except Rinoa, who's the worst love interest in the entire series bar none.
>and I liked that they centered it on a love story as it was a ballsy thing to do for a game at the time.
Plenty of games have done that, including FF7.
>>343241874
Playing through FFXII blind myself Anon. Only using a guide for Bazaar Packages and Rare Game. To think this came out before Xenoblade is staggering.
I have 68 hours in this so far, and none of my players are even 40 yet. I just wandar around stealing/poaching enemies, enjoying the scenery, and exploring. I love how pretty much all the areas are connected in one way or another, kinda reminds me of Dark Souls shortcuts, but not as widespread.
>>343241931
VIII is my favorite, too.
It's also the first one I played.
The atmosphere, music, story, and characters were all great, IMO. Triple Triad was also a huge factor. I loved how broken the game was.
Also, Squall, more than any of FF protagonist, actually seemed like a real person. He had depth, and I honestly never understood why people hated him so much.
>>343243498
Probably the same reason people hated Cloud. Aside from Squall the rest of the characters weren't great though. I don't know why people love Laguna so much when he's just proto-Snow.
>>343242420
>You're fucking stupid
>You're fucking
>You're
>>343243805
That's correct, what the fuck are you on about?
>>343243668
The only character I disliked was Rinoa.
I liked all the others, especially Seifer.
>>343243012
Rinoa didn't really bother me. Don't know why a teenage girl acting like a teenage girl was an issue. She was no less likeable than Tifa, Aerith, or Garnet. Yuna (before X-2 ruined her) will always be the best IMO though.
Also VII had the love story side plot but it didn't effect the game nearly as much as it did in VIII. Squall's relationship with Rinoa drove much of the game and was a big focus of the story.
>>343244101
Fair enough.
>>343244119
She was infinitely less likable than Aeris, Tifa and Garnet. Hell I much prefer an emotionally-stunted doormat like Yuna over a loud, obnoxious, spoiled brat who constantly gets in the way and needs to be rescued like Rinoa.
>>343242420
>the right way to play is to abuse the card game and spend hours on it at the beggining
Yeah, fuck right off
>>343244564
Aerith was a walking plot device, Tifa was annoying and clingy and only popular for her low-poly tits, and Garnet was a personality-free midget. So no, Rinoa wasn't any less likeable then them.
>>343244913
Rinoa is the worst traits of Aerith and Tifa combined with none of the positives so yeah she is.
>>343245078
Nah man I disagree which means your taste is shit and you are obviously Hitler.
>>343245798
Well you are a tremendous boy-molesting fruit so you should kill yourself you prancing flaming la-la homo man.
>>343246108
>>343226995
>Grand Master Walka
That shit had me in stitches
8 will forever be my favorite. Followed by 7.
>>343246590
Do you have the image with a bunch of screenshots from the game, with the caption "Squall. A pretty cool guy."?
I've been looking forever.
>>343236492
IX has some pretty big flaws.
>Silly anthro characters
>Dull, unoriginal setting
>Recycled plot elements(though this is by no means unusual for FF)
>Too much loot scattered around, not necessarily a bad thing, but feels tedious to run against every wall in the game until a ! pops up
>Too little control over active party for most of the game, makes managing equipment/skills annoying, not being able to choose a "main party" for much of the game makes new playthroughs less interesting
>Combat goes traditional (opposed to VIII's broken clusterfuck), which would be a good thing if everything wasn't so fucking slow
That said, it's still okay. I don't really like it, but wouldn't call it bad.
>>343229925
Objectivity is not just based on graphics and length you peanut. When discussing the Final Fantasy games, people generally base objectivity on the game's story, characters and combat system.
>>343247312
The only objective measurement of the 3 you described is the combat system. Writing is and always will be subjective
>>343230625
I know everyone is entitled to their opinion etc, but if your opinion is really THIS bad then you must be a total moron irl desu.
>>343247312
P-peanut?
>>343232935
Or MAYBE it's because the game was fucking brilliant for it's time, you fucking tit.
>>343226085
I'm actually really looking forward to the Zodiac Age version, though I'm a little nervous because apparently they're doing balance and gameplay changes. The Zodiac Job System version definitely needs some rebalancing (even if it's better than the normal version) but I don't trust them not to fuck it up worse.
>>343224831
27 year old here that was pure Nintendo during those years.
Considering 3D Final Fantasy: 7 is still the best. Solid over world. Characters that have development. Lots of exploration and side quest.
X is a close second in the narrative area. Far more contained and I loved it.
XII is third because of monster hunting and actually managed to like the system it had more than any other. Fun as hell. Shitty story and MC ruined it though.
I haven't played any of the other 3D FF's though.
>>343244119
Do all teenage girls act like 5 year olds?
>>343227607
Only the bad machina, ya? Bad machina for war. It displeases Yevon.
>>343248693
pretty much
>>343248796
It was a rhetorical question you dingus.
I'm gonna play FFX HD.
What are the advantages of the Expert Sphere Grid? I've played before, years ago, on the original PS2 version. Are there advantages to the Expert grid beyond just being able to switch people's roles earlier? Easier access to some useful abilities or anything?
>>343248913
it was a rhetorical answer
