It will happen.
If the NX does indeed feature cartridges as its media, I wonder how soon til everyone jumps on the bandwagon?
>>343174696
That's not going to happen.
Cartridges are unnecessarily complex compared to optic or digital media. Nintendo is adopting them again for the same reason they do many things: to bank in nostalgia.
nah
>>343175110
Optic media is dead.
Digital media is a sound idea but people like to have physical collections.
Cartridges are coming back in a big way
there is a point nostalgia becomes completely stupid and this would be it
I just want digital downloads but it seems Nintendo still can't understand that.
>>343175110
Oh no, it's retarded.
>>343175110
Flash memory is getting cheaper by the day. You retarded, son?
>>343175547
Nintendo would prefer that too.
>No manufacturing costs/cartridge or disc licenses to be negotiated.
>No fucking 2nd hand trade-ins taking revenue away from them.
But it's not Nintendo holding that back, it's consumers. People like having a physical product they can hold in their hands.
>>343175110
>Cartridges are unnecessarily complex compared to optic
Hold on here. One can argue about production and sale prices, but complexity?
Optic media fucking sucks anon. People jumped onto optic media because they were cost efficient, not because they were simple.
>>343175110
cartridges are objectively better
RE2 on N64 > RE2 on PS1
>>343175110
I've found a 32 gb memory stick for 10$ the other day. and thats the market price.
A manufacturer could probably make that for a tenth of the price.
No scratches , no dirt. fragility is gone .
Almost non-existent load times.
I welcome cartridges with open fucking arms.
Optic media is fucking shit.
Most modern consoles or PCs just installed the entire game on to the harddrive because optic discs can't cope with todays processing speeds.
It's over for discs.
Nintendo bringing back cartridges is a smart move and shows a lot of forward thinking. And is coming from someone who slates the company at any given moment.
Are you niggers retarded?
So will flashcarts.
>>343176612
can those hold 50+ gigs?
>>343175403
Oh yeah i sure loved collecting those cardboard boxe- oh wait noone did because they destroyed themselves alone snd where shit.
If Nintendo doedn't use plastic cases they can fuck right off, this why it's only worth collecting since the PS2/GC/DS era.
>>343176752
You bet, but why would Nintendo have over bloated shit like that? The entirety of Super Mario 3D World is like 800MB.
It's either cartridges of some kind, or digital only.
Optical Media has reached its limits, and it's clearly not good enough.
If you want physical media at all, you'll need cartridges or something. It's that or digital only.
>>343176873
ps1 had plastic cases
>>343176752
DS carts only hold around 8gb.
The chips Nintendo have reportedly been sniffing around are 32gb.
>>343176873
Why are you assuming you can't sell cartridges in plastic cases?
>>343176873
Nintendo have using plastic cases for the past 15 years bro.
>>343173206
This is actually a selling point for me.
>>343176943
And they where better but still shit and broke easily.
>>343176752
They can hold up to 8gb per cartridge
it's not a lot these days, but it is also made for a handheld system, cartridges for a console would almost definitely be physically larger, making it easier to fit large amounts of storage on them on the cheap,
>>343177037
Because he is taking it as a complete return to form.
>>343175110
Yeah thats why phones use flash memory, and the best computer harddrive is a SS
>>343173206
reminder that vita games cost 4x as much to manufacture as ps4 games.
>>343175403
physical media is dead when optical is. you're delusional as fuck.
>>343176191
Yes, complexity.
Do you think a cartridge is just the memory?
It has electric contacts, capacitors, co-processors, other integrated circuits, a board, etc. A lot of fail-risk physical components.
You would have a case if the NX cartridge were just a big (pic related) >>343176879, but I'm pretty sure Ninty is going to do something stupid.
>>343176612
what did he mean by this?
>>343176752
SDXC is expected to hit its 2TB capacity by the end of the decade.
>>343177224
flash memory =/= cartridge.
>>343177226
You're probably the kind of person who thinks Kindle will mean the end of books, right?
>>343176193
>re2 on n64
Woah wait what?
>>343177248
It'll be Amiibo cartridges. Screen cap this.
>>343177226
>4x more than a 1 cent disc
>Vita cards being cost efficient
>mobile gaming not being dominated by cartridge and flash based hardware
>>343177364
N64 version is arguably the best version.
>>343177330
Oh boy can't wait for new nintendo games to cost 120$! This really is the future!
Or how about i just stick with my Wii since neo Nintendo only releases poorly done Wii sequels?
>>343177364
RE2 was on the N64. It's an almost unknown port.
>>343176193
That was thanks to the N64 itself having better hardware, not thanks to the cartridges themselves.
>>343177364
It had all the cutscenes, extra game-modes, it looked a little better. The N64 had more potential than the PS1, it just took work to bring it out. They didn't find an ideal file format for cutscenes until the very end of the console's life unfortunately.
>>343177364
What cave were you in anon?
>>343177376
That's crazy enough for me to believe it. Imagine Nintendo using it as a form of copy protection.
>>343177376
Isn't the NX going to be heavily focused on Amiibos?
>>343177628
Source that's not your ass?
>>343177248
First off. I was talking about the practical usage since I was assuming that's what you were referring to. I guess not.
That said, what do you think an optic drive is? It's hardly a simple thing and comes with plenty of risk for errors.
Meanwhile a docked cartridge is comparably a very simple thing, assuming the manufacturing wasn't faulty.
>>343177248
A major point of solid state drives vs optical disks is that they are SOLID, they have no moving parts like optical drives, they have a very low chance of failure provided they are handled properly
SSDs have an annual failure rate of around 0.1%
HDDs have an annual failure rate of around 4-6%
>>343177105
At least jewel cases are easily replaceable so long as you have the paper slip from the case
>>343177720
Not really. The optic drive may have moving parts, but the thing is static the majority of time and it can be easily replaced.
Meanwhile try fixing a cartridge's physical components.
>>343176193
>worse sound quality
>fmvs had more artifacts
>n64 fog
Only thing it did better was slightly better visuals
>>343173206
yes, yes nice shoop
HOWEVER
>>343178063
It wasn't a nice shop at all, I spent 30 seconds on it.
>>343175110
And so the search for intelligent life continues.
>>343177967
>Meanwhile try fixing a cartridge's physical components.
That's if they break. Cartridges are far less likely to be damages.
But if they are, it's indeed hopeless to fix. But they'll need to break first which is not likely to happen.
Meanwhile both optic media and optic drives are damaged easily.
>>343178174
yes, yes nice reply
HOWEVER
you spent at least 3 minutes on that in all.
>>343178378
He said 30s
>>343177756
>>343177967
Three Things:
-The drive spins anytime it is in use, solid state drives meanwhile are static 100% of the time
-when was the last time you ever heard of someone having either of those things REPAIRED instead of just REPLACED?
-Just checked the above anon's numbers, turns out HDDs fail almost -50 TIMES- as much as SSDs
your wild speculation is nice and all, but actual data doesn't lie and is a lot more accurate
>>343177967
>can be easily replaced
>have to buy new game if disk is scratched up
>send in console when optic drive breaks and pay repairs
Just stop fucking posting and bin yourself, holy shit.
>>343175110
Actually, it's so games load quicker and don't have to install before playing.
>>343178464
when you buy a HDD there is a 1 in 20 chance it will fail
When you buy an SSD there is a 1 in 1000 chance it will fail
>>343177967
Shut up with such retarded fucking nonsense.
I still have NES cartridges which work just fucking fine.
I've accidentally dropped my SNES down flights of fucking stairs several times as a kid and it still works fine.
>>343175110
>he doesn't understand how electronics work at all, does he?
>>343178595
This.
And also the fact that not having an optical drive lowers manufacturing costs.
And also the fact that if the NX is a console/handheld hybrid, cartridges are the way to go.
>>343178718
meanwhile i just found out that my crash bandicoot disc doesn't work anymore due to a few minor scratches because I lost the jewel case;_;
>>343178718
ok cool my snes stopped displaying colors properly. Every time i try and play super mario world, mario's skin is now grown and his suit is black.
>>343178595
>games load quicker
You do know current consoles do not run games off of the discs right? They all install to the hard drive.
>>343175614
>t. nostalgia blinded retard
>>343178451
yes, yes
HOWEVER
It obviously took longer.
you would need to get the image of the cartridge (20 seconds to gryffindor)
HOWEVER
you would also need to get the zelda image and open up the editor (30...more...seconds)
then you would need to select and cut out the label and resize the zelda image to fit
HOWEVER
you would need to layer it behind the cartridge image and save it. then post the thread.
in light of these recent HOWEVERs i say it took no less than 3 minutes in all.
>>343178874
*brown
>>343178835
did you do the clorox trick? it always fixes disks for me
>>343178879
Not that anon. But cartridges can actually be faster than hard drives.
Depends on the cartridge though. But the difference can be notable.
>>343178879
So? why would anyone want to install before playing?
NX will use the same disc format as before.
Screen cap this right fuckin now.
Investors would fuck Ninty in the ass if they chose carts.
>>343178831
good god, it would be a risky move, but if nintendo doubled down on the gamepad and made a truly portable console, one that is tablet or laptop sized, that you could take ANYWHERE?
it would be bulky, but so god damned amazing
I honestly hope Nintendo goes to cartridges. I love my collection of old Nintendo games and them being cartridges is easily a large contributor to that. My disc based games however I don't give a fuck about at all.
Also, not to mention:
>Speed Benefits
>Game Saves directly onto Cartridges
>Storage Space
>Expandable (Storage/or FX chip like crap)
>No moving parts
>Cheap and readily available
>Well protected
>Looks awesome
Lol u cartdrige memers are so retarded.
Kys faggots
>>343178907
yes, yes
You're actually pretty accurate. I didn't cut out labels though I used a layer mask.
It realistically in total probably took me 7 minutes max.
HOWEVER
I hope so, i use usbs and memory cards on a daily basis whereas i havent touched a disc in probably 6 months, or at least the last time i changed game disc in my Wii u.
Which was probably 6 months ago.
>>343178907
That is assuming he didn't had a blank image of the cartridge and a random BotW already in his computer. Or that the editor wasn't open , he could have been editing other images before.
I say roughly 30s.
>>343178974
Investors should know about these already:
>>343178595
>>343178971
Otherwise, they're dumb as shit
>>343178972
You're missing anon's point. It's not a choice. Optic media cannot handle the processing speed of current gaming machines.
The discs are usless. They're just there to install the game to a harddrive and the game runs from there. There's no benefit to optic media anymore. It's time has come and gone.
>>343176873
>only worth collecting in ps2 era
Because that's when you were born
>>343179193
>they're dumb as shit
I don't know how to tell you this, anon, but...
Where did this rumour start?
>>343179193
>Dumb as shit
>The investors who said Nintendo needs to move onto mobile
>The investors who said Nintendo should make a mobile Mario game where, with real money, you buy higher jumps and more lives
>The investors who ask non stop about non vidya shit at meetings
>>343179350
There was mentions of cartridges in a patent filing as well as disc based media. But it's assumed that this is because Zelda will be launched on both Wii U (optical) and NX (potentially [and fucking rightfully so] cartridge)
>>343179239
Nah because collecting the carts withiut the boxes they came in is just ugly.
Don't be mad because your turbo autism retro "collection" is useless and incomplete.
>>343179234
It is actually a choice for companies. Adopt carts and eliminate installation.
>>343179431
I see. Interesting. Cartridges are awesome.
>>343179449
Not him, but, you're obviously 15 and really don't deserve an opinion on the matter. Go to sleep, it's a school night.
>>343179350
The NX cartridge rumor has been doing the round for weeks and is all but confirmed.
Granted, they probably won't be the bulky N64 cartridges of OPs post, they'll more likely be similar to the DS style carts. Maybe.
>>343179412
1: Dumb
2: Dumb
3: Dumb
>>343179535
I hope they are around the size of the N64 cartridge or even Sega Genesis. 3DS is too small for a (hopefully) non-portable system.
Can someone explain to me how they made this game look worse than windwaker on the gamecube? It honestly hurts my eyes to look at it. I hope this console actually makes it look like what they showed us
>>343179523
t. Cuck with shitty n64 cartdriges without their proper boxes
Stay butthurt nigger
>>343179523
>It's summer
>>343178035
>>343179535
I wonder if they'll have memory cards like the gamecube or if they'll just use internal storage + hard drives.
>>343179292
What?
>>343179675
T H I S
H
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>>343179624
>>343179581
Wow you read my post nice job pal
>>343179624
>Can someone explain to me how they made this game look worse than windwaker on the gamecube?
>Explain to me something that isn't true
Sorry to be the one to tell you this, but you're blind or stupid.
BOTW looks quite impressive and you're comparing two completely different art styles.
>>343179675
p much
>>343179687
I would be stunned if they used memory cards to be quite honest.
There's just no need in this day and age with interal memory size and optional usb storage drives.
>>343178879
Not the nintendo ones
>>343179763
Thanks! it took a lot of effort
>>343176873
>he will never know the joy of having a comfy shelf
do any of you guys have an argument beyond "cartridges are retarded"?
>>343179882
Just stop.
>>343179865
But it has the bonus of transferring saves really easily
I suppose they could also do it by increasing the Amiibo storage size.
but why ssd still more expensive than hdd
>>343180013
stop what? telling the truth
No nintendo console has ever had a game install from the disc. The closest that's happened the downloadable data packs for Xenoblade X
>>343180153
I accidentally a word
It has to be durable. I haven't had many problems with things like SD cards, but I can see that shit just not working after a while.
In any case I'm just wondering why do we still need optical media. Who buys 4k blurays nowadays?
>>343178874
>>>/r/creepypasta
2 spook
Why does everyone keep saying the nx will be a console handheld hybrid?
>>343180062
I would hope that by the time the NX arrives, Nintendo will have perfected their data transfer apps to allow moving data arund to be less of a hassle.
But it's Nintendo so you never know.
I remember back during the GameCube days, you could take your memory card and plug it into supporting arcade machines (F-Zero being one of them).
>>343177967
you can fix cartridges a lot easier than discs
Fuck I replaced the battery on my pokemon gold and that was baby shit
>>343179624
because of the art style. even though windwaker has lower rez textures it looks better because it's inherently low detail and full of flat colors.
>>343180153
Wow. I guess the PS4, X-Box and current PC gaming rigs are running those games direct from the disc!
>>343179675
>>343179732
>>343179839
Any examples in games?
>>343173206Only on THE HUB.
I don't care about the media. I care about the console not sucking copious amounts of dick like the Wii U.
Just bring traditional consoles back. You don't have to be a clone of the PS4 to succeed, you don't need gimmicks to succeed, just bring what people fucking want for fucks sake.
>>343180478
fixing cartridges is only easy to DIY if they make it modular
>>343180616
So much this it hurts
>>343180548
can you read? I specified Nintendo cartridges in each post
>>343180729
>cartridges
fucking christ I can't write today
>>343180676
I mean shit, if they were going to shit the bed on the market at least they could have tried with a gamecube 2 or something similar. That console was the shit. It was just a goddamn console. Very robust, very few flaws and many Nintendo titles worth a shit (except for sunshine and starfox adventures I guess). And graphically it didn't get to the level of the classic Xbox but most of its games looked pretty fucking good anyways.
>>343180729
Thats because Nintendo has never released a current gen console.
The Wii U is not current gen tech.
At this point, it would be more of a shock if Nintendo did decide to use optic discs instead of cartridges.
>>343180869
yes thank you for making my point for me
>>343179760
>he's staying facts so it must be shitposting
>>343180897
http://www.dictionary.com/browse/opinion
>>343179675
>>343180637
The worst thing I can imagine is that you have to solder some shit. But my knowledge is basically nonexistent on that
>>343180869
Neither are the other two by that logic.
It's 8th gen because it's Nintendos 8th gen console. Determined by release and nothing else.
>>343176193 I remember playing the 64 version when it came out. It seemed to have a little extra charm to it.
https://www.google.com/url?sa=t&source=web&rct=j&url=http://m.youtube.com/watch%3Fv%3DTQGlB1LITGA&ved=0ahUKEwji9rzxqM3NAhVB12MKHYe4BzIQtwIIHzAB&usg=AFQjCNGXOVxxeQGTSz-SyclQ88qb_1pt2w&sig2=XY5FSIOr8uMFB3QtYxx5tA
>>343181152
>https://www.google.com/url?sa=t&source=web&rct=j&url=http://m.youtube.com/watch%3Fv%3DTQGlB1LITGA&ved=0ahUKEwji9rzxqM3NAhVB12MKHYe4BzIQtwIIHzAB&usg=AFQjCNGXOVxxeQGTSz-SyclQ88qb_1pt2w&sig2=XY5FSIOr8uMFB3QtYxx5tA
why the fuck wouldn't you just link the youtube video?
>>343180616
But people want gimmicks, no one is going to buy an NX for the same shit they can just get on PS4.
>>343181050
yeah you could solder loose pins, but if a component dies you're a bit fucked
>>343181082
You know what I mean.
The Wii U is barely on a performance level with the PS3 and X-Box 360.
Its nowhere near the kind of processing that PS4 or X-Bone are.
NX WILL be.
And it will most likely use cartridges because optic discs are redundant now.
>>343180969
>I have no argument so I must resort to shitposting like a fag
>>343181236
This is the truth
>>343181036
This is a faggot who never owned a PS nor a N64 so he doesn't know shit about them
>>343181340
at least you admit it
>>343181343
Fuck off shitposter
>>343181236
>>343181343
those images are displayed from the system in question stupid nostalgiafags
>>343175110
Damn, have another (You) on me.
>>343180153
Animal Crossing was downloaded in its entirety to the Gamecube's native RAM after you pass the title screen. From that point, you can remove the disc and continue playing.
>>343180549
>>343181383
Talking about you dumbass
>>343181443
downloading to RAM =/= installing to HDD/SSD
>>343181236
Kek.
Neither could do that draw distance. Both would have fog all over the fucking place.
>>343181332
>redundant
>>343181470
I think you're the dumbass here
>>343180549
>>343181448
>>343181318
Makes sense. From my view you still a lot more options than with disc, where the states are either dead or functioning
>>343173206
That is one nice work of art OP got any more?
>>343181550
i hope you realize this is before and after an emulation fix to make lines straight
>>343181471
It's not like it matters in this conversation, just a fun fact.
Optic media is fucking shit.
Most modern consoles or PCs just installed the entire game on to the harddrive because optic discs can't cope with todays processing speeds.
It's over for discs.
Nintendo bringing back cartridges is a smart move and shows a lot of forward thinking. And is coming from someone who slates the company at any given moment.
>>343173206
What could be a great idea is that if they also allow writing on the cartridge and allocate free space for future updates and dlcs. That way you can preserve your data in case of a server shutdown or eshop removal.
>>343181528
>redundant
>/rJˈdʌnd(ə)nt/
>adjective
>not or no longer needed or useful; superfluous.
>"an appropriate use for a redundant church"
>synonyms: unnecessary, not required, inessential, unessential, needless, unneeded, uncalled for, dispensable, disposable, expendable, unwanted, useless
>>343181494
>Neither could do that draw distance
Ever played Pilotwings 64? It does that draw distance, and more, no fog. Launch title.
>>343178907
Anon, you crack me up.
>>343181279
That's why I pointed out you don't have to make another PS4
And I don't know what to tell you about gimmicks. 3D wasn't exactly successful, most people bought the 3DS based on its library of games. The Wii U gamepad? It really was pointless. You could port any Wii U game to a platform with one extra button and show any other info on screen. VR is currently still pretty expensive and not something you would spend time on. You could say the only really successful instance in "recent" years was motion controls on the Wii, and they still worked fairly well for something that was new. Kinect came out and bombed, PS move came out and bombed even more.
We really don't need gimmicky shit nowadays.
>>343181837
Actually I did have that game. Did it really have no fog? Or was the island just economically small? I can't remember.
>>343181689
And yet they still use discs. Because they are significantly cheaper to produce than the cheapest carts would be.
The only way a system is going to use carts is if it is portable.
The future isn't carts, it's just downloading the fucking game. No one is going to increase their production costs for carts. They won't even spend the pennies to print manuals anymore.
>>343181543
And you're the nintendrone
>>343181926
>Did it really have no fog?
Yes.
>Or was the island just economically small?
There were several islands, some were really big and some were relatively small.
>>343181916
>The Wii U gamepad? It really was pointless.
There are actually tons of games that could benefit from the gamepad greatly. They're just not made for the Wii U. Which is a shame.
I'd have loved to play Odin Sphere on the Wii U instead on myPS3.
Leifthrasir is great and all, but inventory management still sucks. Just like it sucked in the original game.
A second screen allowing you to manage and use the inventory without having to pause the game though, would have likely been more than great.
>>343173206
that won't fit in my computer, what's the point?
I tried to remain physical with Wii U because nostalgia.
All my other platforms are digital right now.
But fuck that I'm over.
>Buy physical game
>I still need to install half of it on the hdd, updates, etc.
>No booklets
>thin as fuck boxes or with holes
>>343182279
>tfw no Crystal Chronicles GC remake for Wii U letting you use the gamepad as inventory like with the gameboys and having online play with optional 3DS use for players for local coop
Literally made for it, Nintendo please
Best version of re2 is gamecube
>>343182457
>>tfw no Crystal Chronicles
>of any kind ever again
>>343182113
If you own your own proprietary media (i.e. cartridges) people need to buy these from you to publish their games.
Nintendo made a fortune from this practice back in the day.
If Nintendo could get away with digital downloads only, they would do it. There's plenty of benefits:
>No need for a drive inside the machine means production costs would be lower and therefore sale point price would be lower
>No production costs for physical media
>No awkward licencing deals for proprietary media
>No 2nd hand trade-ins taking revenue away from them
>Complete control over pricing
Nintendo would love that scenario.
But people like to hold a product in their hands.
>>343181720
>im gay
We dont care dude.
>>343182279
But that's a really minor thing. That's like buying a different platform because in this one you can scream into a microphone to kill enemies instead of pressing a button. If some extra hassle saves up 150 dollars spent on a fucking gimmick, then I'd rather not have it.
>>343175110
>Cartridges are unnecessarily complex compared to optic
>>343182279
It wouldn't have done anything because you'd still want the game paused while you manage inventory. At best it'd let you organize shit or plant things slightly faster
>>343182270
Can't remember a fucking thing about that game.
In my defence, I was smoking a great deal of weed at the time.
>>343182569
Still haven't finished the GC one with 3 other people yet, I bought 4 SPs to be able to play it when friends came over, that fucking undead dragon was too much for us with 4 players.
>remember being so hyped for the Wii only CC
>SP only
>dreams shattered
>get hyped for Explorers when it first gets announced
>it's some shitty FF MH lite knockoff
>>343182739
DUDE
>>343182765
I remember at that time I thought the wii one would be similar to skies of arcadia (?) for some reason
It wasn't
>>343182692
101
>>343182597
Play Plague Knight on a PS4/XB1 and then play Plague Knight on a Wii U and try to say that it's just a minor thing.
It may be true that it's not technically needed to play the game. But it's almost the full difference between a game not even being enjoyable and a game being absolutely great.
You have to pause way too much in Plague Knight sadly. Though thankfully you don't need to on the Wii U or the 3DS thanks to the second screens.
There are lots of games that are truly a chore to play due to all the pausing and stuff.
And then you have games like Monster Hunter that allowed for mappable quick commands on the screen.
All I am really saying is that there are plenty of games that could benefit from the gamepad greatly. It's just that the majority of the games on the actual Wii U either don't use the gamepad at all, or are focused entirely around the gamepad. For some reason the middle ground of sensible use of the second screen is quite rare for some reason.
>>343183002
>>343173206
No it won't
Keep your delusion to your Peach dolls please
>>343179675
Megaman Legends used the pixelated but sharp textures to its advantage, which is pretty neat and makes the game hold up really well.
>>343183006
Nigga I played all of the portable zeldas. You know how much you have to pause on those, don't you? Even with some bosses, specially on the oracles. I still loved those fucking games and if someone told me "oh, if you buy this new portable system you can get this enhanced version that manages to remove the need for pausing so frequently" I wouldn't still do it based only on that.
Hell I bought a Wii U a good while ago, when MK8 came out. Sure I liked it a bit, but I just couldn't justify buying anything on it that I already had in any different platform. And then I found myself with a console that not only lost 3rd party support mostly, it was also rapidly decreasing in quality for first party titles. Shit, I still remember having a better experience with the Wii.
>>343183170
I'm a bit of a programming pleb, but this would return false for a statement like 2-3 right?
ok
but they won't be huge like that
they be shitty little carts, like vita
>>343183668
>implying the vita/3ds carts are shit
It'll be a console/handheld hybrid so carts are the best option. Nothing like flipping through a small album for all your games
>>343183410
>Megaman Legends
>the game hold up really well
lel
>>343184018
>It'll be a console/handheld hybrid
I'm so tired of reading this shit
Wouldnt cartridges cost more money?
>>343176985
DS carts maxed out at 512MB, or 4 gigabit. 3DS chips are 128MB (1 gigabit) to 8 gigabytes (64 gigabit).
Just to be clear, I'm not saying you're wrong, but when people post lowercase "gb" in reference to nintendo capacities, they usually are referring to a size in gigabits, with 8 gigabits to 1 gigabyte.
>>343184341
Cartridges inherently cost more money because of the medium. Early on in the lifespan of Blu-Ray single layer disks cost $1.50, slightly more for dual layer. That cost has gone down as more facilities have retooled, increased competition = lower prices. A cartridge means you have to pay for the capacity of the cart with decent quality memory that isn't defective (binned), put it in a cart with the appropriate circuitry, and then make it into a physical cart.
It's not like the N64 days where the cartridge sizes Nintendo sought for 3D were really expensive, so the gap on cart cost won't be like the N64/PS4 era.
The bigger problem is that making carts has a much larger lead time than DVD fabrication, meaning you can have a harder time adjusting to demand. If you under-order a game, then it can take you WEEKS to get the carts ordered, made, shipped, and distributed. Whereas there are tons of DVD fabs, they can produce an order in a week and have it distributed in two. If you overestimate the demand then the unsold carts cost you more than Bluray disks (probably around $2-3 with packaging + distribution on that); if you underestimate, you lose sales.
>>343182583
>If you own your own proprietary media (i.e. cartridges) people need to buy these from you to publish their games. Nintendo made a fortune from this practice back in the day.
It's not only that (NES carts were up to $15, N64 carts could cost $35 to the dev) but worries about piracy at a time the internet was much smaller.
>If Nintendo could get away with digital downloads only, they would do it. There's plenty of benefits: [etc]
It's not just holding a product in hands, people like sales, they like being able to play the game on a friends console, and especially for me, between price and Nintendo's horrible fucking online capabilities and content transfer mechanisms, I actively avoid buying Nintendo games digitally whenever possible, the disk is usually half the price or better and I don't have to worry about what happens if my Wii U dies.
>>343184697
Hey anon, let's be real. No Nintendo game will run the risk for selling out of stock
I'm stupid, but if the NX uses cartridges, would it be possible to save DLC for a game directly onto to cartridge itself?
>>343185324
That would require extra writeable memory on the cartridge adding to the cost per cartridge regardless of whether or not somebody bought the DLC.
>>343173206
The big factors would be to combat piracy, as well as cost effective. O3DS proved with Smash and other titles that it doesn't matter at all if its cart or digital, if Nintendo cheaps out on the hardware front, thus negating the real benefits for gameplay purposes like faster loads.
I recall hearing about memory cards for the NX? Any truth on that? Would be hilarious to watch them go the Vita route and introduce proprietary memory formats alongside cartridges.
>>343185385
There have been a few cases on the 3DS where they have done that, and the developer burdens the cost. I think it was mostly for patching updates, as opposed to DLC purposes, which was thrown around as a reason older 3DS titles couldn't receive DLC or something, despite fans being receptive to having some added.
>>343184020
Graphically and art-wise, mr deliberately misinterpreting what I said.
Megaman Legends 2 gameplay-wise holds up very well, thanks to refining the controls and gameplay. Megaman Legends 1 is ambitious but clunky, the controls and gameplay
>>343186154
Piracy?
Are catridges easier to pirate?
I actually want games to return to flash format because physical PC games would probably be released on USB then. No one has a Bluray drive on their PC but everyone has a USB port. I don't mind digital games but my internet is shit so it takes forever to download anything. If I could just install the game from a 60GB flash drive I'd be golden.
>>343176265
For most modern games you'll need more than 10 gb honestly.
However our technology to make smaller and larger sized chip based media storage is getting better. Sandisk makes it but you can get like a 200gb microSD card for about 80 bucks and 128 gb for 40 on amazon.
Bluray holds up to about 25gb on a single layer.
Only question remains is how much does it cost to make a bluray as opposed to a cartridge? Once you start weighing costs that's where it becomes feasible or not.
>>343179032
hi sony exect
>>343187297
What fucking speeds do you have where going out to a store, buying a USB stick, and then coming home and installing it to your hard drive is faster than just downloading the game? That's retarded, just get some decent internet already.
>>343176265
a 50GB BR-DL costs bout $0.08 to press in runs less than 100,000. In runs over 100,000, they cost $0.06 each.
When you spin silicon for NAND Flash, a single silicon disk producing 500 chips of 32GB, only about 400 of them will be the full 32GB, of the 100 that aren't full capacity, half will be under 16GB. Silicon yields at 32GB NAND is about 80%. 64GB is under 60%. the cost of producing each full chip package is about $6.00-$8.00 each, depending on yield and run size.
Blu-Ray discs, on the other hand, are a 99.99% yield, and with modern coatings they are almost indestructible under normal use and handling conditions (I took a scrubbing pad to my copy of 300 and it still plays fine).
Optical media isn't going anywhere.
>>343188762
Sony doesn't own Blu-Ray.
It's a consortium of over 10 companies.
>>343189102
600mb/s. Doom was like 50 fucking gigs. Steam bottlenecks your internet so when I download a game I have to just leave my computer on all night so I don't bother anyone else in the house. Even then it took days before I was able to play.
Blank carts that hold 3 games max that you download from brick and mortar game stores. They will cost $20 each to DL. The blank carts cost $60 each. Each NX comes with one cart with a pre-loaded game on it.
>>343189292
Sorry, I meant 600kb/s.
>>343189292
600mb/s
That means your internet downloads at 600 megabits per second or 75 Megabytes per second. 50GB * 1024 = 51200 MB, 51200MB/75 megabytes per second = 682 seconds = 10 minutes.
>>343189392
>600kb/s
Dude, that's worse than AOL, where the fuck do you live?
>>343189308
>>343189443 here
Well, worse than AOL is hyperbole, but DSL is easily just short of 3x that speed minimally at 1.5mbps and is usually 3mbps, or 5x faster than 600kbps.
Even satellite offers better bandwidth, although the combination of caps and latency makes it suck.
>>343189103
That kind of quality control is nothing to do with Nintendo. That QC will be monitored by the company who has the contract to supply Nintendo. And Nintendo will obviously demand a certain quality as per the agreed contract. Any business would.
As for optic media, it's a dead parrot. Movies and TV may keep the media afloat for a the next decade or so but it will slowly become irrelevant just like CDs.
>>343189392
Jesus christ wtf. Careful not to try and place any calls on your landline when you're downloading a text file or something
>>343189308
So basically the iQue?
>>343189443
It's a landline connection in the middle of rural Ohio. We had dial-up until like 10 years, ago, then finally got faster internet (probably 300kb/s) then upgraded again like 3 years ago. It's fine for most things, I can stream Youtube videos at 720p/60 without stopping, it's just games that suck.
>>343189783
What fucking ISP offers 600kbps? That's not even considered broadband anymore by the FCC.
>>343173206
I'm strangely comfortable with this. CDs are annoying as fuck sometimes and are fragile. How large would the cartridge be? Are we looking at n64 large or halfway to a 3ds sized cartridge?
>>343174696
Sony won't at the very least since they're part of the group that others have to pay licensing fees to to use dvds and blu rays. It's also one of the reasons Nintendo created their "unique" format for the Wii (and it's probably used in the WII U as well) which is basically just a dvd that spins backwards.
>>343190185
SSDs and flash drives are so small I can't imagine an N64-sized cartridge, much less anything bigger like older console carts. Probably slightly bigger than 3ds.
>>343181443
Isn't that because it's an N64 port?
>>343189308
Nintendo already did that back in the 90s in Japan with Super Famicom carts, so the shock value isn't there.
>>343189567
It's not about QC, you retard.
Etching circuits into silicon is more art than science. As circuits are manufactured at smaller and smaller levels (say, 22nm vs 14nm), you can fit MORE chips on a single silicon wafer and drive down price, reduce heat, or increase capacity in the same space (like in fucking FLASH CHIPS).
The drawback is that this process is more complicated, and unpredictable variations in the silicon crystal can ruin an etching of a transistor.
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Process_variation_%28semiconductor%29
This is not a matter of QC, it's a matter of the physical properties of silicon and the inherent faults of producing chips.
Nintendo will also NEVER produce their own chips. They do not own a silicon fabrication lab.
You're a fucking idiot.
>>343190185
Probably about double the size of the 3DS cartridge at most.
>>343189569
>internet speed braging
kill yourself
t. 1000 mbps/unlimited
>>343189308
So games in the future are 40 dollars instead of 60 or 80.
I don't know what the absolute fuck people are talking about with cartridges vs discs, and I doubt most of them do either, but that sounds like a plus.
>>343191478
I just can't see it happening unless the games are shit compromised to work on handhelds. Cartridges eat a lot of money meaning either Nintendo or the retailer is going to take a big hit on their margin (or both realistically). Leaving $20 for the game development doesn't leave a lot for the retailer and nintendo, or retailer/nintendo/publisher if third party.
I just cannot fathom that rumor being true.
