His Ultimate is NOT what needs to be fixed. It's wraith form.
>wraith form allows him to pick up health kits
>wraith form allows him to be healed by mercy
>wraith form allows him to have orb of healing
>wraith form allows him to contest point
Let's not forget that he can also pick up health from killing people.
>>343068062
This. If he can't be shot in wraith form then he shouldn't be able to pick up health packs either.
They should nerf all those points OP mentioned and buff so that he can phase through walls.
>>343068062
>lower winrate than S76 in pubs
>not used often in competitive
why does he need a nerf again
>>343068062
Don't forget
>has 250 fucking hp
you idiots are going to keep whining until every aspect of every character that is remotely unique is purged from the game and everyone is the same
i do agree i think instant incontestable panic buttons where you essentially just press 1 button to guaranteed survive ( unless you're stupid ) is kind of fucking stupid they should make it so he cant go in and get raped and then wraith form and pick up the rest of his health
>>343068837
good, fuck this league of shooters game
i hope it turns into a bland boring mess of nothingness
>>343068978
salty faggot kys
how about the only way he can heal in wraith form is with soul orbs
>Remove ability to pick up health packs and be healed by supports in wraith form
>can, however, still heal himself with souls
>can now use wraith form to fully escape junkrat's trap instead of being pinned down for 2-3 seconds while invulnerable
Sound reasonable?
>>343068768
>not used often in competitive
>>343069627
lol zenyatta
>>343069627
>one hero limit, 2CP map ban
Why would anyone take these stats seriously?
>>343069485
Yes.
Here is the upcomming patch notes that leaked
Competitive Mode now available with a Button next to Quick Match.
Widowmaker ultimate is now audible globally.
Added a "Weapons" category on the Loadout Menu.
McCree was added as AI into AI Gamemodes.
Added more Social Options on the Hero pick screen and the End of the Game screen.
"Evade this player" button was been removed from the UI.
Increased Performance of the game.
Better AI coordination.
Joystick improvements.
Various Bug fixes. (I will translate them later)
Bug fixes:
Fixed Projectiles randomly penetrating Reinhardt's shield.
Fixed Torbjorn picking up metal after death.
Fixed Players finding themselves outside of the map of Ilos.
Fixed shooting angle of 85°+ defaulting to 90°.
Fixed players being deplaced by a projectile towards the source instead of away from it.
Fixed XP exploits that incorporated leaving the game while XP points were attributed.
Fixed Hero Selection Screen Navigation Problems.
Fixed Hearthstone related Localisation.
Fixed Unicode problems related to non-English versions.
>>343068062
>he gets nerfed
>everyone moves to Zarya
>>343069835
because they're current format for the tourneys going on?
are you some kind of brainless ape?
>people on /v/ think reaper is overpowered
lmao you are so shit
>>343069896
>widowmaker ult is now audible globally
thank fuck
>>343068768
>lower winrate in pubs
because the difference between 49.98% and 50.17% is so massive, right?
>>343069936
>"competitive" gaming on a game that is less than 2 months old that has not even implimented ranked play
>"competitive" gaming that is full of cheaters banned from other games
kek
>>343068062
>nerfing Reaper because you're shit at the game and can't deal with him
pathetic
>>343069996
Yeah people on blizzard forum were mass complaining about it not being shouted out like everyone else.
>>343069627
Was the nerf to Widow that bad? i thought she was top tier
>>343069987
This
He's pretty fucking underwhelming if you got a watchful eye in the sky to keep him away from you, or you're Pharah yourself. Actually, anyone that can keep their distance can pick off a Reaper.
That being said, I fucking hate fighting him as Winston.
>>343068062
Reaper isn't really a problem.
In fact if you nerf Reaper you open a bigger problem which is Winston. Winston is already basically overpowered while being the SIMPLEST fucking hero in the game, a hero that a literal ape could play to his fullest potential after 5 minutes trying the game. Reaper is the only thing stopping Winston from taking over every game he's in.
>>343070157
She's still "fine", it's more that her entire playstyle was changed which is what makes her less enjoyable/effective. You can still headshot people but the movement animation nerf is what makes her less fun to play. Most "pro" snipers play mccree/76 now
>>343069695
That's what happens when you make the slowest character also have the lowest health, with healing output lower than the other two healers, and a debuff that he needs to put himself in the line of fire to keep up.
His only upside is his DPS, but compared to all the downsides you're better off picking anyone else really.
>>343068062
I think wraith form is balanced because you cant cancel out of it. You have to stay in it an exact amount of time everytime.
>>343070250
Agreed, Winston mobility, no aiming damage and health pool + shield is ridiculous. Tracer and Genji are supposed to be the back row killers, not a giant tank with auto aim and two health pools with ult
>>343070379
Don't jinx it, some autist smash bros player will figure out how to do it
>>343070030
Yes it is.
>>343069896
>Fixed Torbjorn picking up metal after death.
Damn.
>>343068062
He needs buffing, he should reload during wraith form
>>343070060
>full of cheaters
>has two maybe cases
>comp mode has no bearing on actual comp play
are you ok
>>343070181
>play Pharah
>press Shift
>up in the air at highest point
>reaper still can shoot me down for some reason
>reaper can still hit me with Q for some reason
yeah, okay,
Why does he need nerfed?
>>343069627
Huh, I always play 76 on defense just because I felt like he worked better there
Nice to see I'm not wrong
>>343071126
Soldier is an overpowered piece of shit that has the exact same problem as prenerf McCree.
>>343071310
Not at all but keep whining
>>343071310
>overpowered
He dosnt hit hard at all.
>>343071310
>same problem as prenerf McCree
So 76 can instantly kill anyone that he stuns?
>>343068783
He needs it, since unlike the other assault heroes he HAS to be up close to be effective
>>343070918
This is pretty much my only complaint against reaper. It wouldn't even bother me if his ultimate animation showed a pillar of death or something to explain why his ultimate can kill you even if you're in orbit around the planet above him.
>>343070062
>there's no way ANY SKILL of ANY CHARACTER could EVER require ANYTHING about it to be changed
>it MUST be people whining about it because they get killed by it
because fuck looking at the balance of a game objectively
the only thing that matters is your subjective perception of why people would want changes to be made
mouthbreather
>>343069896
>"Evade this player" button was been removed from the UI.
How will we deal with Mei and Symm griefers?
>>343071519
No, Soldier is the best pick under almost all scenarios because he has a hitscan weapon that is extremely good at all possible ranges, self healing that equates 80% of Mercy's healing in an AoE, top tier mobility and a fantastic zoning/teamwipe ult.
The pickrates speak for themselves.
>>343068062
Are you seriously that bad at the game? I mean i somewhat understand Widows or Bastion haters because they force can force you to change characters (to hard counter), But reaper is just a situational character himself. If the enemy team only has one tank, you (the reaper player) are dead weight.
At least put the word overwatch in the op so that everyone can filter this shit
>>343071958
>getting triggered by people talking about video games
>>343069896
Finally widow screaming at the top of her lungs I GOT WALL HACKS
>>343070250
Roadhog shreds Winston too.
Not sure why Reaper and Mei get constant whiners. Mei can be generally ignored, and Reaper is screwed the moment you spot him sneaking about. Neither are really popular in the comp scene.
>>343072254
reading that makes me feel good and I'm a fat lazy piece of shit.
>>343072254
>That pic
I wonder what country is that fat poster from.
>>343069896
>Widowmaker ultimate is now audible globally.
>Snipers, who are silent killers, now announce to the whole enemy team that they're going to kill them.
Scrubs ruin everything.
One change that needs to be made is a "free leave" system in matchmaking. Free leaves occur any time two or more of the "team tips" are active, so long as you are not the problem.
To go with this:
- "No Support Heroes" changed to "No Healer"
- Symmetra reclassified to Defense
- "Too Many Snipers" changed to occur when there are 2 snipers on a team rather than 3
- "No Builder" and "No Sniper" removed as team tips
This means that if you go Lucio or Mercy and are on a team where the other idiots decide to be "funny" and go five hanzos, you are free to leave because you are not part of the problem.
Whenever anyone leaves this way, the rest of the team gets a mark equal to 1/3 of a penalty. Three penalties within a certain number of games (20 or so) and they are automatically given a penalty for shitting up matchmaking.
>>343069896
>fixed hearthstone related localisation
what does this mean? are they adding translated versions, for non-english clients, of the hearthstone screencap that can be found on some monitors in some maps?
>>343068062
>wraith form allows him to have orb of harmony but not an enemy orb of discord
>>343072673
all it does is let players know the wallhacks are on, so people who walk through a doorway won't wonder how they were immediately killed after coming out of hiding. widow is the only hero who doesn't have an audible cue for her ult.
>NERF REAPER
>JUSTICE FOR WINSTON
>>343072847
Tryhard mode is coming soon anon, don't worry.
>>343072673
genji is a ninja, guess he shouldn't have footstep noise and scream at the top of his lungs he's ulting either
>>343072847
>Whenever anyone leaves this way, the rest of the team gets a mark equal to 1/3 of a penalty. Three penalties within a certain number of games (20 or so) and they are automatically given a penalty for shitting up matchmaking.
Nah.
>>343072847
What exactly are the penalties for leaving right now?
>>343072254
She probably set this up by sending these messages to herself anonymously
But people like that do exist, so maybe not
>>343072487
>Not sure why Reaper and Mei get constant whiners
Because the way they kill you feels "cheaper" than if you get blown up or killed by a 76.
>>343073430
75% less EXP gain for 3 games i think
>>343072979
And Roadhog
>>343073512
oh noooo
less cosmetics you cant even see
>>343073425
He'd be less shitty if he didn't.
>>343072847
I feel that literally any leave should result in a penalty or some sort. Give me a smash brothers type leave where you cant join for 10 minutes or something if you leave early. I shouldnt have to be steamrolled because hanzo decided his w/l was gonna drop 3 minutes in.
>>343069627
that's some small scale sample base
>>343071535
>turns invulnerable every few seconds
>shits healthpacks
>needs the 50 hp
No it doesnt.
>>343071602
stay mad, shitter
Biggest problem with this game is that LoL/Dota players jumped on it.
There's few "hard-matchups" and if you're good at shooting games you can beat your characters soft-counters.
Just like TF2, and not just like Dota.
Can someone explain to me how making healthpacks heal-over-time wouldn't be the single best change in the game?
>>343074175
Because it would be stupid
>>343074297
Like making that post, without putting any reasoning in it?
That is pretty stupid
>>343074342
Because it would slow the game down when there would be no reason to. Because theres nothing wrong with instant heal health packs and theyve been standard since the early 90s. Because no one has any issue to healthpacks except you apparently. Because its uncommon for the to be a situation where healing over time would change an outcome rather than instant heal in the first place.
Because you didnt think about anyrhing before posting. Because you didnt explain why anything would change.
>>343074703
>because theres no reason to
>because tradititon
>because ad hominem
>because I'm stupid
Solid reasoning friend.
It doesnt slow down gameplay, it lets you finish off, instead of them healing fully and beating your ass - for example REAPER the guy the thread is about can do this any time, invulnerable.
Shower me in ad-hominem newfag.
>>343074175
Slow the gameplay down too much
>>343073646
Make it 30 minutes or an hour like most MMOs have for leaving a dungeon group, on top of the harsher penalties Overwatch already has.
>>343073847
Only shits health packs if he's getting kills
>>343074932
Yeah, 3 secs instead of instant would make you camp in a room for 5 minutes.
>>343074859
>It doesnt slow down gameplay
>the only time people grab health packs is when they're in the middle of a fight
>>343074976
There are no kills in the game, there are eliminations, if he does 1 dmg to you and someone else kills you, you heal up that reaper.
>>343068062
>>wraith form allows him to contest point
seriously? I mean the hp ones I don't have a problem but this is bullshit
>>343074859
But you should know they're going for med-kits and stop them.
People running to med-kits are predictable.
Stealing med-kits is a great feeling too.
>>343072860
The Hearthstone "Thanks","Sorry", and "Oops" sprays
>>343075189
People camp medkits because its an instant heal up even if someone is beating your ass.
This is NOT the game where you always have the choice of "stopping them", there are cooldowns for your abilities and you are limited in your weapons all the time.
>>343074175
Explain how they would be. How would it make the game better? All it would do is slow down the pace of the game.
>>343069996
>>343070106
The fuck are you shitters talking about? Do you not hear the french fuck talk in motherfucking french when she activates her ult?
Do you need a message on the screen too that says HEY FUCKTARD I ACTIVATED MY WALLHACK?
>>343075343
>and you are limited in your weapons all the time.
Like fuck you are.
If you can't shoot at someone until they die, then they deserve to heal and kill your scrub ass.
>>343072847
that's really dumb and will force shit teamcomps
stop having ideas mong
>>343075343
medkits are out of the way of every objective. If someone is camping a medkit and you keep trying to contest them then its more your fault for being a shitter than it is the medkits fault for being 'OP'
>>343070430
>Tracer and Genji are supposed to be the back row killers, not a giant tank with auto aim and two health pools with ult
Except that's exactly what Winston's niche is supposed to be?
>>343075634
You don't need to be on-point to be effective.
Seen a sniper in game yet?
>>343075343
>there are cooldowns for your abilities
Effective ability usage is part of the game.
>and you are limited in your weapons all the time
But you can always shoot your gun, except when you're reloading it
>Mfw every "balance" patch is a nerf making the game even more stale and boring just like sc2
>>343070106
its not that she didn't shout it out, the problem was that it's a LOT of power that you had no clue was actually active.
We could easily have had lines for characters saying something like "We're being watched!" or to that effect, like when they spot turrets/teleporters. This was just the simple solution.
>>343075507
Widow's announcement to the enemy team was really quiet, and only audible within a certain range of her. You generally had 0 idea it was active until the kill-cam revealed the sights, or a teammate called it out from their kill-cam.
>>343075680
do you know what genji does?
>>343068062
Well you know what I think?reaper is cute! CUTE!
>>343069627
>zenyatta being so unused
its a shame really, I love playing him
>>343071717
By playing Competitive Mode.
>>343070430
Winston is supposed to disrupt but he has too easy of a time killing squishies, and it's also impossible to really deal with him because there is nothing to abuse about him. He just jumps, drops E and holds down M1, nothing you can do to really stop it except being Reaper and shitting on him.
>>343075343
Making them heal over time wouldn't stop people camping them though would it? It's not like they'd think "this doesn't instantly heal so there is no point anymore". It'd be a pointless change.
>>343075507
>audio cue that you won't realize has anything to do with the ult unless you specifically seek information outside of the game
>>343070181
>I fucking hate fighting him as Winston
to be fair, Reaper is the flanker that's designed to eliminate tanks. D.Va and Rein (and a good Roadhog) are the only ones that can effectively deal with him, and that's if he misplays.
>>343075815
Winston only wrecks lone wolves. He's there to punish snipers and flankers who go too far afield without any team coordination. 2v1 is usually enough to make him jump out.
>>343075782
This is pre Widow and Mcree nerfs so he is stronger now.
Still not a viable pick for comp tho.
>>343075782
H'e worthless. He has the worst heals, but decent damage. If you're trying to do damage you would just pick a decent offensive hero.
>>343076072
If you don't have a healer Winston can kill a standard 200HP squishy in about 3 seconds. He's a tanky brick and his barrier blocks 500-600 IIRC so it's not difficult at all for him to jump, kill one and jump away. Even if he doesn't kill, he just harassed and left one of your squishies at very low HP. If it wasn't for him just being a sack of ult for Reaper I'm pretty sure he would be one of the most picked heroes (and he already is one of the most picked heroes desu).
>>343075889
Do you not hear Zarya and Mercy talk in their native language when they activate their ult?
It's simple logic.
>>343073513
wrong
>>343076197
Just saw the corner of the graph, disregard me I'm retarded.
>>343076253
He can be really good if he has good aim, and he can be godly if there's a separate healer.
>>343069896
>no D.Va buff
>>343076337
It's better to just pick two Lucio's or Mercy's.
>>343076291
>Mercy, Zarya, and Mei all speak in their native tongues when activating their abilities, or at random times
>Widowmaker says a random, quiet line in French with no visible effect
>MUST BE HER ULTIMATE!
>>343076253
Or, I could just not do that. and continue playing him
>>343076197
Guess i'm just too used to playing with randoms who decide its a better idea to focus on the tracer zipping around than the support.
>>343072487
As a Mei "Main" (I pick her whenever I can, barring moments when we needs tanks/healers/comp-dependant heroes), I can easily summarize why everyone under the sun bitches about Mei:
>While balanced, she combines hard CC, soft CC, sustain, AND a chunk of decent damage in one kit
She does a lot of things, albeit slowly, and is a pretty good showing of a jack-of-all-trades character. She doesn't shit DPS, but she can contribute. She doesn't hard-stun instantly like McCree, or disrupt like a Junkrat/Pharah, but she keeps people down and you HAVE to focus her or you're stuck. She has a powerful zoning ultimate with fairly low damage comparatively, that applies her CC.
If there was more soft-CC in this game, she'd be complained about far less. If Discord Orb applied a slow, or Symmetras M1 slowed. Those sorts of things would make her have less of a niche that people just hate.That, and scrubs gonna scrub, and bitch about people they just find annoying, and try to get them nerfed by crying their fucking eyes out.
>>343075739
I can literally hear the ult from across the map at almost any point.
>>343076291
I might be wrong, but I think certain characters talk in their native language a lot of the time if they're your enemy.
>>343069896
>McCree was added as AI into AI Gamemodes.
What does this mean?
>>343068062
>complaining about a lack of balance in overwatch
lmao the game takes little to no skill anyway, might as well piss people off with the edgy owl mask shotgun man
>>343076529
Yes, exactly like that. Now stop being a moron.
>>343076683
>>343076909
>stop being a moron once you have out-of-game knowledge
Why not just make it in-game knowledge?
>>343076683
>works on my machine :)
>>343069627
>Data from two fucking days
>A single tournament
>That happened a week ago
I don't play overwatch but I'm so glad I opened this thread.
What a fucking retarded argument.
>>343076592
Just remove the stun from her LMB and have it slow only, increase the damage to compensate. Only her Q can stun.
Bam she is now perfectly balanced.
>>343076529
If by LV10 you don't realize Widowmaker has no visible effect you're a complete idiot.
And I am being generous.
>>343068062
Reaper is a bit annoying just because of how easy he is.
>Mei can freeze herself in Junkrats trap
>>343077148
That would actually be a lot less shit to play against. Hell, the damage could even be buffed to the point where she got more kills, but it would feel more fair.
Why is Reaper so cute?
>>343077148
Or alternatively, remove slow so that she only stuns, but it requires the same amount of complete contact time.
>>343076685
Only when performing their ults.
Things like greetings or voice lines can be heard in their foreign language whether they're your friend or enemy.
>>343070250
Hog gores Winston
>>343076987
>>343077054
Are you guys seriously this bad at the game?
>>343077123
It's the closest thing you get to competitive and a much better argument than throwing random facts based on shitty pug games.
>>343077148
it would make her less frustrating, yeah. But it'd also feel like utter shit to play, and remove one of her actual purposes of being a soft-counter to flankers.
Genji, Tracer, and Reaper all are fairly annoying to lockdown, and her stunning slow is one of the few things that works. It also gives her some use against tanks, since stunning them allows for a concentrated assault from your team.
Again, speaking as a Mei Main, what I'd rather see is make the stun take an extra second to activate, and add a couple seconds of immunity to the stun afterwards. This way, she still can do what she wants, but, if she doesn't kill you, there's actually time to fight back before the stun kicks in again.
This is close to the same thing that happened to Widow and McCree, where they can still do the same things, with just a bit more chance of counterplay.
>>343077624
It's okay, you can stop acting now.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Up08A0uKgmo
>IT'S HIGH NOON
>>343069896
>Fixed shooting angle of 85°+ defaulting to 90°.
Thank god. Whenever I use Roadhog's ultimate he ends up looking straight into the air and it fucks me up.
>>343077624
It's actually bugged
There are times where I can hear perfectly and time where I don't hear a thing and die
>>343072487
Because Winston's damage is so low it takes a year just to kill Zenyatta.
>>343072847
>Whenever anyone leaves this way, the rest of the team gets a mark equal to 1/3 of a penalty. Three penalties within a certain number of games (20 or so) and they are automatically given a penalty for shitting up matchmaking.
That's a fucking terrible idea
>>343077846
I pointed this out earlier, Widow's ult announcement only played within a certain radius around her (which, as a sniper, everyone was outside of 90% of the time) and the line for it is said fairly quiet, like the beginning of the Wolf-Hanzo ults.
>>343077024
The game literally displays tool tips every time you die. And the best part is always related to your situation.
Try reading them some time retard, one of them talks about Widow's ult.
>>343077950
winston kills zenyatta in less than 2 seconds if he lands the jump
>>343078109
Ah, the tooltip that tells me Widowmaker's french line means she was doing her ult! Now it all makes sense!
>>343069627
>2 days worth of data, 1 hero restriction
woah
dumbass
>>343078080
>Widow's ult announcement only played within a certain radius around her
Maybe that's why I am having a hard time believing why others can't hear it.
Most of the time I play Tracer and harass the shit out of enemy Widows.
>>343078229
Do you really need everything spelled out to you?
I bet you had to play the tutorial because you can't figure out shit on your own.
What a fucking retard.
>>343078252
check the twitter, basically every one since mccree nerf has reaper/soldier as most picked offense
>>343078229
>Hmm, loud audio cues occur in languages related to a character, or happen as an ultimate from a certain character is used.
>I wonder if these are related?
>I wonder if the only French character in the game, announcing something loudly in French, is using their ultimate?
Is logic and reasoning a dead concept for today's youth? We may never know, since they lack the ability for basic deductive reasoning.
>>343078413
Well there you go.
I'm sorry for calling you a liar, but, you really should read up on shit like this before making claims going against what a rather large number of people are saying.
I'll even admit that I didn't even know she had an ultimate announcement for the enemy, since I've never heard it. I just assumed that "sniper=quiet", until I decided to look it up.
>>343071310
Soldier is powerful and versatile, but he has to work for his damage output against jump happy targets unlike McWoahThere who gets a free kill against anyone with less than 250HP who gets within 8m of him.
>>343071441
Soldier is one of the harder hitting characters, although he has to deal with shot inaccuracy and staying on target for each and every shot.
His max damage range reaches out to 30m before it gets weaker and only shotgunners can beat him point blank when it comes to damage output. Pulse Rifle dealing 170 damage per second, not including headshots, is in the higher end of all the heroes' potential damage (most being 100 to 140 damage per second max).
>>343076694
In Custom Game, you can add NPCs to your match. Currently, only a select few are available. Zarya, Zenyatta, Bastion, 76, Reaper, I forget the few others. Basically anyone without any fancy movement options or unconventional skills that would be difficult to emulate in an AI.
>>343069229
This. Then he can wrath away from combat in a pinch but if you want any health you have to go back to the action where you killed people to claim the orbs.
>>343078590
>>343078682
Oh, shit! Obviously some gallic mumbling when all of the other ults have a characteristic echoing shout means that Widow is ulting! How could I etc.
>Widowmaker's ult is supposed to catch flankers by surprise
>you're supposed to notice her sound cue
Pick one, retards.
>>343077950
Only because if that fucking blue part of the health bar. His tickle gum does shit on heroes with that. Which is why Zarya players are a fucking pain.
>>343078682
>you have to use "basic deductive reasoning"
>I get to look it up myself
Try breathing through your nose sometime.
>>343072865
It's the same rules for Teacher's reverse time. She never loses buffs or HP gained before the rewind.
>>343069896
So are they going to add a global soundclip to Hanzo's Sonic Arrow?
>>343069229
This is the smartest comment here.So far...
>>343079286
It already has a visual cue and it's very limited in range.
>>343068062
Will you plase stop with those nerf threads please? Owerwatch is pretty much the most balanced Blizzard game in years, and other some veeery slight buffs to Zenyatta and D.Va doesn't need any balance changes.
>>343078973
Now you're just moving goalposts.
First you were bitching because there were not enough cues and now you're bitching because she has cues?
Stop it already. With every post you show how much of an idiot you are.
>>343076260
>Reaper flanks and goes DIE DIE DIE
>Swoop in as Winston quick enough to bubble him and his ultimate
>All fire focused on him
It's too good.
>>343078973
>Widowmaker's ult is supposed to catch flankers by surprise
Uh... no. Widowmaker herself is supposed to catch flankers by surprise.
You're playing this game completely wrong. Go back to TF2 or whatever shit hole you crawled from.
>>343079460
Either there should be the same cues as other heroes or there should be no cues. The current system favors meta knowledge for no real reason.
>>343071310
Soldier doesnt have a panic button that does 420 damage on a 2 second cool down
>>343079389
>It already has a visual cue
It does? For the enemy team? As far as I've always been aware, it's completely invisible and silent to the enemy team.
>>343068062
The only thing that's unfair with this game is that people are just now realizing how stupidly powerful a full tank+Mercy team is. They fill Mercy's ult stupidly fast and all their defensive abilities make Mercy unkillable.
>>343079460
You're missing the point. If Widowmaker's ultimate is supposed to be unnoticed, why does it have a cue at all? If it is supposed to be noticed, why is it a whisper instead of the same kind of shout as other ults?
>>343079659
Nah, it favors casual play more than anything.
Press Q to kill morons! Play Hanzo to get easy kills!
Your last real weapon here is knowledge and you can use it against morons.
See that reaper ulting in front of me? I'll just hook his ass and cancel the entire ult.
See that moron ulting as widowmaker and thinking he's going to flank me? Tough luck.
>>343068062
>implying anyone gives a shit about team fortress 3
>>343078590
I would rather have a comprehensive tutorial instead of having to look up vital information on a wiki desu senpai
>>343068062
Is Reaper Mexican?
>>343080051
Because her ult is a wallhack that not only benefits her but the entire team.
She has to keep a low profile as well, and the best course of action is to make a confusing cue, yet detectable enough that only retards cannot hear.
>>343080303
>I would rather have a comprehensive tutorial instead of having to look up vital information on a wiki desu senpai
I now understand the autists that tell everyone to fuck off when they're asked to be spoonfed everything.
>>343080303
>Relying on wikis
Have you ever engaged in a conversation with frien... no nevermind, a conversation here at /v/ where people discuss this kind of information?
How come no one has ever bitched about TF2 and it's lack of vital information?
The game doesn't exactly explain how refined is made or what other uses does it have. You learn that shit as you play as well as by engaging in threads.
>>343080424
Yes, he speaks Spanish when wearing one of his Legendary mariachi skins on Dorado.
>>343071441
Yeah, if you don't hit. An accurate Solider 76 is only surpassed by turret Bastion for continuous damage.
>>343071717
Symmetra griefers?
>>343068062
This faggot needs a serious nerf.
The most noob go to spammer in the game.
>>343075109
I've gotten solo kills and got a gold medal for it.
>>343075731
Fucking this. People get killed and think it's a problem with the game instead of a problem with their strategy, then cry to Blizzard to fix it so they can pat themselves on the back. I mean McCree is practically useless now.
>>343068062
I never noticed how thicc Reaper is in his portrait
>>343081937
They build teleporters that lead straight off a cliff, in my experience. Not sure if there's another type of sym grief but its annoying af.
>>343082239
Unless you have more than one of him, he's a worse Pharah.
>>343082239
Sorry you're having trouble evading his very bright and loud explosives anon
>standing on koth cap point as trashmouse
>see reaper teleporting in
>concussion mine on the his spot
>right click as he materializes
>reaper blows his ult up in the air above the cap point
>>343077829
This happens to me too. Does it happen to everyone?
>>343082970
pretty hard to avoid rounding a corner and getting 1shot by a randomly thrown out nade that just happened to connect.
I don't personally think he needs a nerf, his play style is just inherently broken with unlimited ammo. Demospam isn't a problem in TF2 because they can only do it for so long, this little fucker has no reason to not just spam randomly all the time because there's no downside.
Why do people keep acting like people are asking for damage needs? Why should reaper and mei be able to contest the point for free? Why does reaper need the ability to pick up health packs while invulnerable? Why does mei need to heal herself with her cryo freeze?
Reaper isn't a big issue but he certainly doesn't need those abilities mentioned above.
>>343083873
They can heal and contest the point because their gameplay encourages being in the enemy's face and they need the tools and rewards to do so
>>343083873
It's pretty stupid that reaper and meis' abilities allow them to cap but Zenny's ult doesnt, especially considering mei and reaper get to spam theirs out every 10 seconds and Zen's is maybe once a minute if you're doing well.
>>343084126
>It's pretty stupid that reaper and meis' abilities allow them to cap but Zenny's ult doesnt
If you're on the point alone with Zenyatta ult then you did something fucking wrong.
>>343084313
even if you're there with teammates you're not contributing to the push. Granted you heal people around you and I guess Reaper and Mei only heal themselves but still.
And you can totally be alone on the point after a team wipe or something, that shouldn't stop you from pushing for the ~3 seconds your ult will still be going.
>>343082739
That's pretty funny desu
Get a laugh out of me when I start falling and leap back up as WINston
>>343073646
Fuck that shit. I should be allowed to leave any time I want with zero penalty so I can keep playing, so long as I'm playing pub and not competitive.
>>343073646
>literally
stop
>>343082739
Oh god, I had that happen to me last night. To be fair to the Sym, it wasn't really their fault, I just assumed the edge the teleporter was in front of was right over the point. I realized my mistake about halfway down.
>>343073443
Wow. What a worthless post, anon
>>343072487
Winston kills a babby
>hey fuck no fair he has too much health
>wait he's a tank I'll get laughed at for saying that
>I'll just ignore it
Mei kills a babby
>fuck shit not fair she became invincible
>and her gun stunning me is the only reason I died! (even though any other character could have just killed me in the same amount of time)
>that's not what a defense character is supposed to do! She's supposed to let me shoot her while she stands on the point
>better tell Blizzard
>>343069627
>Zen
Fuck.
>>343072847
>penalize the players because some buttblasted shitter didn't see a lucio/mercy in the team and left
>>343071602
Yes, that's what he said.
>>343069485
Fuck that. As a Tracer main, if I can't use my get out of jail free card in Junk Rat's trap, neither should Reaper.
>>343072847
I agree with this
Every team needs at least 1 healer, preferably two if the team is not full of shitters
Symm should be defense but at the very least the no healers change could solve that without moving Symm
Builders are basically shit and people don't need to be told to play the turret classes on defense, its already obvious af
2 snipers is too many snipers but shitters will complain if there's 1 widow and 1 hanzo and they get yelled at (rightfully so)
>>343086213
>Nobody agrees with my stupid ideas
>Better samefag
Reminder that the LoL kiddies are the ones crying for all the nerfs since they don't know how to actually play games
>>343086416
Reminder that you can't refute a legitimate grievance with "HURR DURR LOLBABIES" just because you lack an actual argument.
>>343068768
>overwatch
>competitive
It gets me everytime. I love this game but it is unbelievably casual in every facet of its gameplay.
>>343086883
>I'm allowed to change the meaning of a word because a game I don't like being competitive triggers me
>>343068647
>so that he can phase through walls
are you mental, that will take away any chance of having a choke point.
>>343068837
>you idiots are going to keep whining until every aspect of every character that is remotely unique is purged from the game and everyone is the same
it's called balance anon, if one char is OP, everyone gravitates towards it, team comp goes out the window and so does having a fun game
>>343086692
>legitimate grievance
>>343085771
Yes but on the other hand fuck tracer she is a piece of shit and is the most annoying character in the game next to mei.
>>343086321
>someone disagrees with me
>better call him a samefag
Enjoy shitting up the game with your triple sniper no healer groups, homo
>>343086985
>it's called balance
It's called homogenization, and it ruins games. See WoW.
>>343086213
Yes
There needs to be a message for too many snipers once you have more than 1, same for builders. There's also a message for low team damage but it goes away too easily, also need to have a message like "weak frontline" or something when your damage and staying power, basically, when you don't have any presence on the map due to too many support/snipers/builders/niche characters.
>>343086416
I'm a LoLBab and the only nerf I've asked for was Widow's bodyshots. It was bullshit to be instagibbed without any skill involved on Zeny.
>>343086963
Sorry anon this game is not competitive. Competetive applies to things that take skill to master.
This is no more competitive than MOBA garbage.
And I said in my post I like this game. Its good casual fun and thats okay.
Trying to talk about metas and conpetetive play is just stupid though when this game is meant to appeal to casuals from the ground up.
>>343087596
there's the "low team damage" one if you have too many supports/tanks. I think builders count towards the damage though.
>>343070060
>less then 2 months old
See if you want to sound stupid you don't have to come to overwatch threads you know.
>>343087687
Holy fuck first people complain about McCree and now fucking REAPER?
Jesus christ I didn't know /v/ was so full of fucking casuals.
>>343068062
Literally the least problematic character in the game
>>343088010
overwatch is for casuals what do you expect
>>343088010
McCree was legitimate (if overblown) and needed the nerfs.
This Reaper shit needs to stop though.
>>343070030
Sounds balanced to me
Why are all Overwatch threads destined to be shit.
>>343088010
McRee was legit broken with that stupid combo doing so much damage but he's fine now
Reaper is just annoying with his little get out of jail free card so shitters all yell nerf him nerf him. There's definitely people that are way more poorly balanced than Reaper.
Also, Reaper took the "best offense hero" title after the mccree nerf so you see at least one in every game now.
>>343082739
I've had them build teleporters to previous points in attack. Fucking symmetra
>>343088225
because a vocal minority of /v/ hates the fact that people like a game they don't.
>>343088225
Because the game is shit
>>343068062
>REAPER IS OP
HOLY FUCK new low /v/ new fucking low
>>343080439
It's alright to admit it wasn't designed particularly well, you know. If anything, the fact her ult extends to her entire team and doesn't fade even if she dies should be all the more reason that people should hear the ult same as any other ult in the entire game. Like she only said it originally in a small radius around her, and even then it's a whisper. Kinda fucked on both accounts.
>>343088225
Normies and the sheer volume of waifufags
>symmetra on a koh map
literally the most useless pick i've ever seen
>>343089627
>not putting turrets on the point to fuck with people
>not spamming charged m2 directed at the point
>not taking advantage of the close range fighting to keep your m1 fully charged at all times
>start up game
>someone on your team picks genji
>another picks mccree
boy I sure do love losing
>>343088225
>posting reddit memes
End yourself.
>>343089959
>McCree is bad
This meme needs o stop as long as they can aim with left click he's good.
>>343077148
No. Her slow movement speed and her alt fire make it so you want to freeze somebody so you can aim and get a good shot. What you suggest just makes her a slightly weaker Pyro.
>>343090237
they cant
no one can at level 35
>>343088401
The problem with McCree's nerf is that they did it wrong. He can still take down tanks fine, it just takes a bit longer, and now it's harder to take down flankers, which is who McCree is supposed to be a counter for. What they should've done is make the stun duration variable by how much base HP they have.
Is there any way for bastion to not be countered by Genji? I know that's basically what Genji is for, but there's basically nothing you can do if the genji doesn't blow his E the moment he sees you
do you just go mobile and hope you get head shots?
>>343090574
>Is there any way for bastion to not be countered by Genji?
Tap M1 to bait out his deflect without overcommitting, wait for it to end, then mow him down when it's over. If he runs, switch to recon and change positions while healing up. Same goes for Zarya.
>>343068062
Wraith shouldn't be able to remove Zenyatta's discord.
>>343090916
This is the only point I'll agree on, especially since wraith doesn't remove harmony as well.
>Be Roadhog
>Hook Reaper
>Give him the shotgun + melee combo
>He survives and wraith forms away
>Straight into a 200hp pack
>Blasts my ass to smithereens
>>343091229
>see a reinhardt with his shield up
>instinctively try to hook it
fuck
>>343068062
His Ultimate shouldn't shoot up, that's my complaint about it. He doesn't aim up so if I'm Pharah and flying above him I shouldn't be getting hit.
>>343090574
If your aim is really good, but a good Genji will jump circles around a Bastion refusing him to get in any hits, so it's basically a matter of the genji being really awful.
>>343092296
I think it should affect a very few feet over him or else slopes would fuck him up. But a Pharah flying high above him shouldn't get hit.
