We all know sony wants to MURDER PC gaming
But can they actually do it ? Will you ve upgrading your low end PC for a NEO ?
Fucking console buzz words man.
>>343011689
BORRA ESTO
There's one thing consoles will do better than a PC and that's the benefit of having a single form factor.
Well, now that's kind of out the window because the point of an upgraded PS4 kind of defeats the purpose if they're still supporting the old hardware, it's just going to still hold games back.
Yes because I already know I can trust song and not evil Microsoft Windows spyware terrorist liberal Marxist socialist conservative bigot Obama trump hilary shillary taxes welfare Obama
>>343011689
>4k
>sub-30fps
yeah about that
>>343011689
I can't use Ableton Live on a ps4
that is the difference... buzz words indeed.
>>343011689
No, since most of my gaming is just emulating now anyways
>>343011689
>april 2013
Before it was released and showed shitty frames, graphics and 900p eh
>But can they actually do it ?
they haven't the previous times they tried
they'll never be able to "win" on the hardware side, they'll have to flex their publisher musclestheir publisher muscles aren't very strong when they had to sell sony online entertainment and all of those ips like a year ago
>>343011689
article is from 2013
The PS4 already has the biggest market share so if you ask me the PS4 already hurt PC gaming as a whole.
>>343011689
>actually believing in ps4k
more like ps4thousand dollars which is how much its gonna cost if they want to make a console that achieves 4k at playable framerates when the current one struggles to get 30fps at 900p
>>343011689
yeah yeah, the ps2 was so powerful osama bin laden used it as a supercomputer
I'm so sick and tired of this shit, fucking history repeating itself
>>343011689
>PC isn't already murdered
>this is what PCfags delude themselves into thinking with muh master race, muh fps, graphics and muh mouse control
I already have a PS4. Is it worth it to upgrade when it comes out?
>>343013252
Yes. You'll be helping sony
Epic is full of shit as usual. Crytek (and Todd) are the only ones that lie harder than them desu
>>343011689
>perfect gaming PC
well that isn't really a false statement, if by "gaming PC" you intend an overpriced alienware laptop "gaming PC"
>>343011689
Probably not, it's going to learn what it feels like to be held back by the PS4.
>Sony's face when they experience that feel.
>>343011941
That isn't a benefit when that single form factor is weak as shit.
You dumb fuck.
>>343012493
PC >> PS > Xbox > Nintendo
I'm SCARED PCbros
>>343014759
Haha you should be
>>343011689
>Will the ps4k have modular hardware?
>Will the ps4k be proprietary?
>Will the ps4k support legacy software indefinitely?
No, just no.
>>343011689
SUPERCHARGED
If people were smart they should get the new consoles for 1080p. 4K just isn't worth it yet, maybe in another 4 years it'll be standard.
But for now... just buy a really good 1K TV with all the latest features (1K today is not the same as they were 10 years ago). They've gotten so much better since then.
![9310_ellesmere_cam3_02_0010_4K[1].jpg](https://i.imgur.com/VEmvFZ2.jpg "9310_ellesmere_cam3_02_0010_4K[1].jpg")
>>343011689
>neo has the same hardware as goat gpu
>>343011689
>processor is still dogshit
>will never be able to render anything like pic related
>you just get slightly shinier corridor games in exchange for like 10 years of pro console arguments getting thrown out the window
>>343011689
Maybe, maybe. I'll see what the Scoripo can do first, and if neither satisfy me I'll finally build a gaming PC.
>>343011689
I hope it takes all the converted console kiddies, ie Valvedrones back to where they belong.
>you bought a ps4 for 399
>you have to pay for psn
>you have to update every game you buy
>you have to run them with shitty resolutions and framerates
>your only relevant game makes the console burn from the straining
>still youll buy the new shitty version and proceed to let sony fist you
yeah pc gaming is their target , not gullible retards . You actually think this chinks are sitting there trying to come up with some master plan to "murder pc gaming"?
>>343011689
>no porn games
shit sucks
>>343015181
>Implying it wont be the 460
>>343011689
>Epic
Who cares what a console dev thinks they know about pc
the actual benefit of the PS4 is that the CPU and GPU have unified RAM. CPU-GPU bus transfer is one of the major bottlenecks for PC rendering. in a consumer PC, a lot of CPU power is wasted just feeding the GPU data
>>343014094
heh
You know they'll just spin it as 'look at all these 60fps!'
>>343015773
So in other words you're saying the NEO will be on par with high end top tier PCs?
>>343015626
>Digital Foundry: Neo GPU are point-for-point a match for RX 480
http://www.neogaf.com/forum/showthread.php?t=1227013
>>343011941
Just as consoles have done for ages
>>343011689
No. No console can hurt PC. Not ever. Period.
Consoles will never have the customizability, the bleeding edge technology, or the optimizations that PCs have. They are literally just slightly obsolete proprietary softwared PCs. It's all the same shit, consoles just go cheaper because they're older.
Fuck off with this constant false flag shit.
Consoles are for people who either can't afford or want a different experience (gamewise, comfortwise) than PC.
PC will always be ahead in terms of power because of the constant flow of new parts.
Go away.
>>343011689
>Murder PC gaming
But you literally can't, PC gaming was always a question of when, not how.
It was only a matter of time before a system established an easy way for games to purchased over PC, that was inviting enough for companies to trust PC to sell their games.
They already have an "enhanced PC GPU" and a "Supercharged PC architecture" on the PS4, and it's net them 900@30
>>343011689
>sony wants to MURDER PC gaming
>yet a game that they fucking funded (SFV) still got a PC release
>slowly but surely Jap devs are porting games to PC, and some have even published day 1 PC versions of console games
>>343016023
>It's also worth noting that - clock-speeds and resultant TFLOPs aside - the specs for RX 480 are point-for-point a match for the GPU in Sony's upcoming PlayStation Neo
> clock-speeds and resultant TFLOPs aside
So it's the same chipset and hardware iteration, kind of like the 460?
>>343016051
The PS4 is probably 5 times more powerful than my laptop for computational graphical capabilities... you're assuming everyone with a PC has top tier hardware. Most of us don't.
>>343016074
>the .01% that constantly upgrades
>consoles upgrade every 3 years and likely have better hardware than most steam toasters
>>343016074
Admit it, you enjoy the falseflagging and the memes, it's the only OC /v/ gets anyway.
>>343016248
The question wasn't "are all PCs superior to PS4s", it was "can the PS4K hurt the PC", and that answer is categorically no.
>>343011689
depends
they've already got the best looking game ever made on the normal PS4
>>343011689
Why do people still keeps calling the next revision as PS4k when it can't do native 4k, Sony is calling the project Neo and not PS4k. Kotaku and that dumb guy who previously worked at gamestop are the one who made up PS4k name, This are same people who lied about the NX being that oblong shaped design on YT. they also lied about the SKU being on announced on E3 and then they deleted their "rumored specs" when AMD finally released their launch roadmap.
>>343016249
My 660ti handles games better than a PS4, and it's 4 years old. Get fucked.
>>343016249
Consoles are a cheaper alternative to constantly upgrading to a new graphics card and processor. This isn't a secret.
Its also not a secret that a massive percentage of humanity lives in third world countries.
Not sure what your point is.
>>343016074
Im a college student that lives on scholarship and still have a PC that can run gta V at 1080p stable 60 fps unless you can't properly manage your money theres no reason to not have a decent PC
>>343011689
newsflash: unless you are a kid or you have kids and are poor, everyone has both.
>>343016492
Ps4k is easier to type than ps4neo.
>>343016492
The industry has never seen console hardware (6TFLOPS) this powerful as a standard model baseline before. If developers are given precise hardware specs to work with... who knows what might be possible. Ask yourself... could a PC the equivalent of PS4's power perform Uncharted 4 as good? The answer is no.
>>343016051
>They are literally just slightly obsolete proprietary softwared PCs. It's all the same shit, consoles just go cheaper because they're older.
that's objectively not true. PS4 has the CPU, GPU, memory controller and video encoder all on the same unit. in a consumer PC these would be separated by the PCIe bus (precisely because the consumer CPU is customizable and therefore made of modular units). this has immediate implications for game performance that are obvious to anyone who understands graphics programming
>>343016586
How is buying a new $800 console every 5 years cheaper than buying a top tier gpu every 8-10 years?
>>343016716
They are the same parts in a different configuration. Stop splitting hairs you fucknut.
>Sony
>the world's largest electronics company
>one of the world's largest conglomerates
>a company that literally owns half of Japan, the half that Kadokawa doesn't own
>they STILL can't kill a platform that is literally backed by no one
>not nVidia, not AMD, not Intel, not Valve, not even Microsoft
>this is the same company that needed the ENTIRE video game industry to switch sides to be able to beat Nintendo in the 5th gen console war
>>343016023
>Source: Digital Foundry
Literally dropped.
>>343011689
I'll be upgrading my low end PC with an RX 480.
>>343016814
>$800
Dude where do you live
Thats twice the cost in America.
>>343014094
Sauce on pic? Google isnt giving me anything
>>343011689
>perfect gaming PC
>when the PC can be better at any time
???
>>343011689
PC cant be defeated. If your PC specs are outdated you only will need to buy a new video card or something and you're done. If your console is outdated you will need buy a entire new console to play with better graphics and newer games.
>>343011689
>a really perfect gaming pc
which is why unreal engine has a mandatory 5 second load time for every time the game saves
strangely xbone doesnt have this problem though
>>343016701
PS4 is currently just 30% stronger than pc same specification.
>sony said the same thing 10 years ago
pathetic since the pc gets no marketing or advertising and was worse off back then where it missed tons of games
Might have had a shot if the online wasn't paywalled with a sub
>>343016814
Because in those 8-10 years, some of your components will fail and need replaced as well due to planned obsolesence. Motherboards in particular rarely last more than a decade
>>343017104
only if you need it, for example i'm not a graphic whore, i just use the pc for music and play cs:go and use UE4 or Unity. I don't need a better pc and i don't want to restrict my production by console software limitations.
>>343016874
>They are the same parts in a different configuration.
afaik you can't buy or self-assemble a consumer motherboard where the CPU and GPU share a memory controller
>Stop splitting hairs you fucknut.
the bus is a key bottleneck for image rendering (and for other GPU kernels in e.g. machine learning). PCs would perform better if you could eliminate the bus, but you can't, because the standard is modular. this is one reason Intel is so interested in integrated GPUs
the modularity of PC has performance implications. i don't know why this surprises you
>>343011689
Epic, simply Epic
>>343017249
another 170% to be optimized
I have more money than sense and really want to play bloodborne on my 4K monitor. It's will be a fun novelty but if they think this constitutes "next gen" they are kidding themselves.
Wonder if there even will be a next gen graphicly.
will Neo have full backwards compatibility with over 20 thousand games, a shitton of emulation support for literally every videogame from gen 4 back, plus PS1, N64, PS2, Gamecube and Wii, free online, upgradeable parts, mods, full mouse+keyboard support, compatibility with every arcade stick and Microsoft and Nintendo controller, multimonitor capabilities, options to lower the graphics settings to get higher framerate, etc?
no?
then no thanks
>>343017346
>One component fail after two console generation
Might as well buy books and board game :^)
>>343016940
Nothing to be ashamed of, PC is immortal.
>>343017896
>I have more money than sense
That's lucky, expect them to do a SotfS and make you pay again for "upgrades" that are just a glorified patch
>>343013210
>muh two rehash exclusives.
>muh simpler for my nigger brain
>muh fifa
>>343016215
probably yeah
>>343017761
Carmack is lying you, this is from Sonny Lead investigator in february 2016.
Currently Digital Foundry has say that PS4 Neo is loosing performance and is in pair with the new r9 480 in performance which by hardware difference is just 25% or less better than PS4 Neo.
>>343014106
Yes it is you actual dumb fuck. If you compare equivalent pc hardware the console performs better. It's the one thing these systems have over pc's like that anon said. Maybe if the single form factor was why the ps4 is under powered you'd have something to argue.
>>343011689
Yes, because the average "gamer" dont like spend more of $300 in videogames, when a gaming pc cost $800 (PSU + graphic card + 1080 monitor, leds,etc)
>>343011689
>Can PS4K actually hurt the PC ?
Not when Xbox Scorpio is going to WRECK it in the specs.
>>343017598
It doesn't surprise me, I know how it works, but it really is the same parts reconfigured to be integrated. I'm not saying you can buy an integrated GPU/CPU. I'm saying the technology is the same applied in a different way, and that technology is never as cutting edge as a PC. Because the APU's GPU section is still based on old AMD technology.
>>343015181
If the rumors are true and sony is just overclocking the same cpu that gpu is going to be having a hell of a time dragging it's slow ass kicking and screaming.
>>343018382
That was the cost of my computer in CAD$ and we get fucked in the ass on the prices.
>>343011689
>Epic exec equates PS4 to "a really perfect gaming PC"
>after CliffyB left to work on a PC exclusive
>meanwhile UT4 has no plans to leave PC anytime soon
>>343011689
Todd Howard said a similar thing about the original Xbox when it came to Morrowind and then Morrowind launched proving he was full of shit. Well unless you think minute and a half long load times is the ideal way to play video games.
The most popular graphic card in steam is Intel HD Graphics, consoles hurt pc because need make pixel plataform games for appeal the lowest common Intel denominator
>>343017274
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=PoGalABGVRo
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=wVHRy8sdgQQ
>>343018292
and don't forget the ~ sign which means is less than 60% and he is talking just about aproximation.
>>343018748
Try not to hammer your keyboard with rage, and do minor proof reading before you post.
>>343018748
I can't help picturing a caveman typing this.
>>343017274
>ever thinking a machine with a input configuration like a controller will overtake a keyboard and mouse for day to day usage
Jesus christ. This isn't about the games, some games play better with the former set up and others with the latter. But to argue that a PS3 would ever become the primary internet browsing machine was just insane.
What possesses people to say dumb shit like this? Is it just because they continue to get away with it?
>>343018748
Every PC with Intel has Intel Graphics included by default moron. If you have a Nvidia card or a AMD card in a intel proccessor it will take the Intel Graphics too.
And by official hardware charts from steam. Intel is just a ~18%
http://store.steampowered.com/hwsurvey
>April 4, 2013
Wonder what the point of PS Neo was then
>>343019307
REKT
>>343019190
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Qjvo6XUy36U
Why is everyone acting like consoles are competing with pcs?
The people who exclusively buy pcs are not the same people who exclusively buy consoles.
The two are different audiences. I don't know why sony thinks it has something to gain by trying to bait pcfats
>>343019681
>goes on Youtube
>first thing he looks up is fucking uncharted
That's way too fucking meta for me.
>>343019763
sonyggers has bad taste and likes cinematics muh feelings games while pc cool guys like competitive games.
>>343011689
Epic went from sucking Microsoft cock to a Sony cock. maybe after sony they will suck nintendo cock
>>343016487
jesus that looks like shit
>>343020439
>third parties
>WESTERN third parties
>ever caring about Nintendo
>>343017761
>for the same given paper spec
a shame that the paper spec of current gen consoles is about equal to the paper spec of 5 year old PCs
>Sonyggers are literally falling for the SUPERCHARGED bullshit again
What is it about sony consoles that make people so fucking stupid and gullible?
>>343021675
Falling for it? They will pretend any turd sony shits out is good even if they know it's weak garbage
>>343011941
So optimization is out the window because instead of there being 1 there are now 2.
On PC there are literally hundreds of combinations on PS4 there will be 2.
WOW great moves KEEP IT UP.
>>343011689
No, just no, BUT making a concerted effort to allow developers an easy way to mod games would help. Create a section in the store and let them be sold without taking a cut so mods could still be free and you might have a legit shot a denting PCs armor, maybe draw some blood even.
>>343021441
>of 5 year old PCs
Luckily for you, that's what most pc gamers have. Why do you think developers would even care about performance given the fact console hardware is obviously inferior? They care because developers optimize towards the median. If they can focus on a few configurations that encompass the majority of the market, that's a big way to save time and money.
Sony, MS and Nintendo realized that wii/ps3/360 were too far behind pc by the end of their lifespan to the point of causing inefficiency in development. There is no grand conspiracy about platforms trying to screw each other over. Everyone just wants to make more money.
>>343021675
I noticed it's only Sony consoles that fall to this "look at these non gaming things they can do". Like the PS1's CPU being used as the guiding system for some rockets, or how they they linked up PS2 to create a supercomputer, same with PS3s.
>>343022058
Weak garbage with the best graphics in the industry famo.
Where my sonybros at?
Why are pcucks so insecure? Why do you ALWAYS bump these threads to bump limit? Why can't you just ignore it?
>>343023856
>Why do you ALWAYS bump these threads
>Why can't you just ignore it?
The irony.
