Hold on now. Metal Gear fans hate this game? So that means its the worst in the series, right?
I think i might have underestimated Metal Gear, because if this is the worst one i can only imagine how godlike the other games must be.
Where do i start after this if i seriously want to get into Metal Gear games? In which order do i play them?
>>342943839
it is a top tier Metal Gear game but a low-tier Platinum game made by C-team in six months
>>342943839
No despite having to play as raiden over grey fox, it destroys shit walker
>>342943839
Jesus fucking christ.
Most of the Metal Gear fans love Revengeance, but don't take it too seriously.
You play in this order
>MGS1
>MGS2
>MGS3
>MGS4
>MGSPW
>MGSV: GZ
>MGSV: TPP
>>342943995
That doesn't seem chronological.
>>342943957
FPBP
>>342943839
what makes you think people hate this game? jesus christ
>>342944070
fuck you it goes in release order - how its meant to be played
>>342943995
>>MGS4
>>MGSPW
>>342943995
The last 3 are ignorable honestly.
>>342943957
Yeah, because Transformers, Kora, and Ninja Turtles are drastically better games right?
>>342943839
the only person I know whom I'd describe as a metal gear fan who hates MGR is a guy who is quite literary gay for mgs2/4 raiden
presented with rising his reaction was
>THEY RUINED HIIIIIM!!!
this is verbatim quote
>>342943957
>top tier Metal Gear game but a low-tier Platinum game
Think you got that backwards, homie.
>Metal Gear fans hate this game
>So that means its the worst in the series, right?
haha no it means its the best
>>342944070
Of course it isn't, but that's the release order and it's correct.
You won't understand shit and you'll hate the pacing if you'll go chronologically.
>MGS3 (2004)
>MGSPW (2010)
>MGSV: GZ (2014)
>MGSV: TPP (2015)
>MGS1 (1998)
>MGS2 (2001)
>MGS4 (2008)
Playing in chronological order is the best way to start hating the series.
>>342944201
If he's such a newfag that he hasn't played MG to this day he'll definitely want to play the newest games in the series, even if PW/TPP are trash.
>>342944187
What's wrong?
>>342943839
>Metal Gear fans hate this game?
Are you kidding? Its a better MGS5 than MGSV was.
>meming soulsfag fanbase
no thanks fuck off revengeance
>>342944275
> Transformers, Kora
in terms of actual polish and WORKING camera -- yes.
>>342944297
nah man, i'm right
>>342943839
I don't think that anyone hates this game. There is a lot to criticize, but hating it is almost impossible. And as a MGS-fan I think it's a great spin-off. The best thing is that it doesn't retcon shit, unlike other games coming afterwards.
>>342944296
The guy seriously failed to understand MGS2 then.
RELEASE ORDER
E
L
E
A
S
E
O
R
D
E
R
CUNT
U
N
T
>>342944392
>meming soulsfag fanbase
What the fuck do you mean
>>342944392
it goes, 3, portable ops, POplus, peace walker, phantom pain, metal gear, metal gear 2, MGS, VR missions, MGS2, MGS4, revengence, (snatcher)
you fucking noobs.
>topic
most way back fans haven't played it cause they remember raiden as a pussy and not redeemed badass mode he became in 4.
>>342943839
Rising is completely different from the other Metal Gear games.
Play the entirety of Solid in release order and consider it a separate series.
>>342944394
you ACTUALLY think Korra is more polished than MGR? are you fucking serious right now?
why do so many people on /v/ try to be contrarian, even when it means they would be outright wrong?
>>342943995
Chronologically you should play like this:
Mgs3
Mgs Portable Operation (inb4 non canon. Stilm pretty cool story and soundtrack)
Mgs PW
Mgs TPP
Mg1
Mg2
Mgs1
Mgs2
Mgs4
Mgs R
>>342944517
Get the fuck out of here. Release Order only.
>>342943839
this should be a sticky here : PLAY MGS GAMES IN RELEASE ORDER
alsoADACHI IS THE KILLER
>Youngsters born after MGS1 think chronological is the right order
>>342944698
why?
plus you don't have the original metal gears in that release order list, opinion discarded.
>>342944636
of course it is
have you actually tried to play MGR on higher difficulties (from scratch) and/or later VR missions?
it's a shitfest made so much worse by a camera that is actively programmed to hide enemies from you
Korra is not much fun on New Game from scratch on hardcore difficulty but at least it was a shorter game
>>342944392
I think you walked into the wrong thread buddy
>>342944824
Because the games are linear in terms of the development of gameplay complexity, design, themes, callbacks and overall structure. Release order is always superior.
>>342943839
Metal gear fans hate it because it doesnt take ktself very seriously and it kinda ruins the character of raiden for them or something. At the time i thought it was a pretty underwhelming platinum title but after the shovelware they shat out and the upcoming scalebound i think its pretty ok.
>>342944275
Transformers is way better than MGR. Korra and tmnt tho are shit no question
>>342945013
Read the thread. Nobody hates it.
>>342943839
MGR is the most fun MG game. But the others are better stories/experiences
>>342943839
>rising
>hated by fans
That's not mgs4
>>342944852
Blind playthrough on Hard isn't really much trouble m8. As someone who is clearly bad at games, you should really stop talking about Platinum games like you know something.
>>342945013
>ruins the character of raiden for them
Sure
>>342945170
>just slut my shit up
Poor cuck. Probably loves the nigger dick craving hooker, too
>tfw you can't play MGS4 and Peace Walker HD on a PC
I don't wanna buy a decade old console for two games
>>342945142
>>342945259
I wouldnt know, im not really into metal gear. Thats just what people were complaining about when mgr came out years ago in the threads.
Playing MGR without using the Codex makes Raiden seem like an unlikeable edge lord
The Codex is great.
>Call to save while Raiden is all Ripper
>Acting edgy and tough
>"Okay Raiden, do you want to save?"
>Pick no
>"But, why did you call me"
>Raiden with edgy voice "I.... forgot"
>>342944852
>at least it was a shorter game
so because it's barely 2 hours long that makes it better?
the graphics are horrible, the psuedo-cel shading in korra looks ugly as sin
the combat is so easy that it's a joke, I don't think they actually bothered testing the game all that well, because if you are even remotely competent at games, then it has no challenge whatsoever, you can spam attacks without even having to think about dodging
the in-engine cutscenes don't fit the tone of the series at all, it just feels like generic machinegun-punch spam you see in anime
whereas your complaint about MGR is "the camera is bad"
is the camera bad? yes
is the camera bad enough to make korra a better game? not by a fucking mile
>>342945259
>>342944414
well that's kinda the case, since the particular guy I was talking about was assmad about how rising undid the development raiden had in 4
it's just a character, I don't get it why some people are so autismal
>>342945238
>Blind playthrough on Hard
Hard mode in Revengeance is quite clearly a normal mode renamed "hard" with everything balanced around it and then pared down to "normal" (they did the same with Bayo 2)
by "later difficulties" i mean Revengeance and then Very Hard (in THAT order because VH is much harder than RV mode)
The game also present shitty leveling up system which turns the game into a joke with fully upgraded OP weapons and bullshit fest with level 1 swords where you have to rely perfect parrying and constantly rely on RNG and bait enemies into doing attack you can perfect parry instead of actually controlling the fight
>>342945407
more power to him
>>342945540
Oh sorry when you said "from scratch" I thought you would be talking about the single hardest difficulty available on a fresh playthrough, you retard
>>342945170
Fans loved 4. The fans hated Portable ops, peace walker, MGR and 5
>>342943839
>Metal Gear fans hate this game?
I've never seen much hate for Revengeance anywhere, it's actually pretty underrated imo
the only real criticism I can imagine anyone having with it is that it's not a stealth game, but it was never advertised as one anyway so that shouldn't matter.
Well, also the fact that the final boss is way easier than people hype it up to be. But still, fantastic game.
>>342945512
What development? He was a emo git in 4 and took nothing from what Snake told him in 2. MGR actually showed him having his mental breakdown because of all the shit he went through in his life
>>342944275
Transformers was fucking AMAZING. Literally the only flaw was the fucking shitty environments. CITY CITY SHIP CITY SHIP SHIP WOOOO
But the gameplay was some of Platinum's most refined. If you can play T:D and honestly say you think it's on the same level as KORRA of all things, your opinion is shit and you're shit.
I haven't played turtles, so I have no opinion there.
>>342945464
His VA really nailed Raiden's three personas, other than Ripper, you can tell when Raiden is projecting himself as the badass second coming of solid snake and when he's letting the bravado slip and speaking honestly as himself
>>342945487
MGR has basically flaws in basically every single fundamental thing that makes up a videogame:
-- movement. Semi-automatic dash that Raiden does *sometimes* when you tilt the stick and press light sword attack is basically this game batman teleport towards the enemy so that casual MGS player don't have to actually move their character. More so, a lot of the movesets involve Raiden moving around way to fucking much which further fucks up proper positioning.
-- camera. God fucking awful. It's so terrible you can't even fix it with any mods. Usually level design has to be planned with camera in mind so that you won't get it walls and stuff -- MGR wasn't.
-- lock-on. In this game lock-on DOESN'T actually LOCK to an enemy. I mean it kinda does but if enemy moves out of camera PoV it *might* slip off to another enemy because god knows why.
This game screws up such basic things as movement, camera and lock-on, while Korra while quite clearly NOT a good game -- doesn't.
>>342944696
>recommending to play through Metal Gear in chronological order
don't do this
>>342945806
well the guy is quite in love with raiden and thinks rose is best mgs girl, I suppose mgs4 end was his otp
I quite agree with you, I can't fathom how his mind works
>>342944394
>nah man, i'm right
>Top-tier Metal Gear
Yeah...The stealth, story and voice acting is SOOO amazing in fucking MGR. Stupid as shit.
>>342945893
>that one interview he did were he did the Jack the Ripper voice and said "I'll tear off you head and shit down your neck"
Fuck I wish I saved the audio from that
>>342945806
Snake wanted Raiden to have a bright future as one of the people he could say he fought for, neglecting that Raiden's soldier conditioning may have been even more deeply ingrained than his. The foible was Snake's, not Raiden's.
>>342945464
Considering how short the game was, they packed a ton of fun codec stuff into it.
Like the one with Sunny telling Raiden how much of a player Otacon has become, and realizes she's a huge dork.
>>342945714
Very Hard IS available to be played on a fresh playthrough and it is a complete shitfest that exposes MGR for unbalanced mess it is
Even RV mode from scratch while more in the realm of possibility is bullshit because you can't really do it sequentially as you would think.
In the first level where you only have level 1 sword against Mistral -- there is absolutely zero chance to reach enough max combo points with just regular sword unless you do it second time and have her polearm unlocked
>>342945769
Armstrong in a fresh hard playthrough is plenty fifficult, at least compared to every other section of the game except sams dlc, maybe. when the game first came out there was a lot of discussion about it, people either loved it because of "cuhrazy" or hated it because muh raiden character development, im surprised people forgot about how vocal everyone was about the game at the time.
>>342946113
>The one were Sunny asks Raiden why he ripped their gate open and that he broke it doing that
>>342945952
>being this pissy about the camera and lock-on
I've actually played through the game, and I've never had issues with the camera. And there's really no need or reason to use the lock-on.
>>342946032
Raiden is actually my favorite character in MGS but you're friend is fucking retarded. Raiden's breakdown was a long time coming. Fuck you even see some hints of it in 2 when he is remembering his past. Fuck in 4 rose said Raiden became an alcoholic after 2 and had constant night terrors.
>>342946081
It's really not Snake or Raiden's fault on what happened to him. Raiden just happened to be the unluckiest guy on earth.
>>342944696
Chronologically you should play them like this.
>Take your dad's Dickinson out of your mouth
>Play them in a heterosexual order (release order).
>Kill yourself
>>342946037
MGR is a low-tier Platinum game, this is a fact
Still pissed there was no unlockable skull suit. I'd have paid money to get that
Also seems odd rocket launchers are fine but no SOCOM handgun
>>342946237
>I've actually played through the game
on "Normal" -- there is very little reason to do anything but to press X/square conitnually
also did you just tried to present "beating" 5 hour game ONCE as an achievements of sorts?
>>342945170
me on the left
>>342946239
I'm not saying it was Snake's fault, just that it was fallacious for him to think Raiden could go on to lead a peaceful life any more easily than he could.
>>342946215
>cut off a hostage's clothes
>Courtney actually gets so disgusted with Raiden she doesn't let you save the game
This was the kind of shit missing from Phantom Pain.
>>342946173
unlocking vh and rv from the start requires you to imput the fucking konami code in the title screen, its pretty clear that they are not intended for a first time playthrough and werent balanced around it. Even though i agree with you about how retarded the whole weapon upgrade system was. The game had plenty of flaws.
>>342946416
To be fair Snake did live a peaceful life until MGS when they pulled him out of retirement. He probably thought Raiden could do the same
>>342946237
>>being this pissy about the camera and lock-on
This mechanics matter a whole lot because if they work -- they allow competent player a complete control over a battlefield rewarding skills and reflexes
And more importantly -- other Platinum DON'T have such goofs in such a basic areas
>>342946387
I'm implying that you haven't played through it, because if you did you would realise your criticisms are invalid
>>342944696
>>342943839
I am a MGS fan, and I like MGR a lot.
It just doesn't play like the MGS games.
you play the MGS games in the release order. Starting at least with MGS1 ( ps1). Get the MGS Legacy Collection for PS3.
>>342945013
I'm a Metal Gear fan who's gay for Raiden and I feel they did fine by the character. Even his cheesy ripper persona is perfect since it's clearly based on the kind of schlock war movies Solidus used for Raiden's image training when he was a child soldier.
>>342946498
>unlocking vh and rv from the start requires you to imput the fucking konami code in the title screen, its pretty clear that they are not intended for a first time playthrough
In Bayonetta, DMC1, NG, W101 the hardest modes (NSIC, DMD, MN and 101% Hard respectively) are also not available from the start and there aren't even cheatcodes to unlock them
YET
These games WERE balanced around playing them from scratch on the hardest difficulty mode and in fact -- are better for it.
How about just playing the games with Raiden in them?
Start with 2 and then play 4, that'll get you right up to speed with Raiden.
If you are then interested in this Solid Snake character play MGS1 and MG1 and 2.
If you then find Big Boss interesting and want to know more move on to MGS3, PW and TPP.
>>342946081
Also Snake spent most of 2 and 4 hammering in the idea that people have an obligation to ensure the next generation isn't fucked over as bad or worse than yours was
>>342946730
>recommending TPP and MGR unironically
>>342946535
you never had such problems because you only played it once and on a gimped "Normal" difficulty
you enjoyed "RULES OF NATURE" but never really tried to poke the game's combat past one playthrough
You don't even understand fundamental importance of properly working lock-on in an action game.
you don't have enough experience playing more competently made action games (not even necessarily made by Platinum even) to understand what i mean so you're gonna dismiss terms you don't by "hurr durr i played it once u wron"
>>342944696
As someone who played the game chronologically, I can honestly say: Don't fucking do it.
>>342946507
It wasn't even that peacfully, he was an alaskan hermit struggling with the ptsd he'd had since Metal Gear 1
>>342946416
If you really wanna pinpoint where it all went worse, Snake not rescuing Sunny ASAP in favor of hunting down Liquid, leaving Raiden feeling obligated to keep the promise to Olga
>>342946682
Cant really speak for ng and w101 but yeah dmc1 and bayo were both better designed games overall, mgr is full of weird design choices that doesnt really make sense for a modern action game, you cant even switch weapons for fuck sake even though the dagger thingy has only one fucking move. If they are ever going to make another mgr i hope they atleast remove the damage upgrades from the game.
MGS2 was best game.
>>342943839
>if this is the worst one i can only imagine how godlike the other games must be.
The main games play very differently. Rising's only bad in that it's a disappointing Metal Gear game.
>>342947248
>you cant even switch weapons for fuck sake even though the dagger thingy has only one fucking move
I think this was a problem with the engine.
>>342947419
Well they chose a really shitty engine for an action game then. Or they could have added more depth to "secondary" weapons, its not like the game was drenched in content anyway
>>342947341
Not OP, but I had played all the MG games that'd come out by the time MGR came out, and it was a great, positive surprise, that even felt very MGS-ish. I spent a lot of time in the Codec, just like in the main games.
>>342944696
>play a series chronologically even though the story itself disregards it completely
>>342947724
Yeah, the only one worth a damn was the polearm. Though spamming the scissors's aerial charge move shreds Exelsius
>>342947724
The game runs smooth in 60fps on a toaster, give them some proper respect.
>>342947910
>that even felt very MGS-ish
It felt more like a Metal Gear fanfiction by Platinum, only it missed what made MG games fun to play.
I didn't find the codec calls very interesting, the Russian, Doktor and Bladewolf were decent at best. I don't even remember the names of the other 2.
>using anything other than this blade
>>342948398
well you are right, there is very little incentive to use anything else
>>342944696
>playing chronologically
Yeah, enjoy going from a PSP game to a PS4 to a PS1 game.
>>342948398
Honestly on Revengeance I find the armor breaker more useful
>>342943839
MGS > MGS 2 > MGS 5 > MGS 4 > MGS 3 >>>>>>>> Revengeance.
tonally nothing like metal gear, short as shit, level design is weak and empty, core gameplay mechanics poorly thought out
it's neither a good metal gear game or a good platinum game, i suspect it gets praise purely because it's one of the few platinum games to be truly multiplat
>>342943839
You remind me of myself. I tried to get into the main metal gear series thinking they'd be awesome just like Rising. Needless to say I have never been more wrong. There's no ounce of the gameplay finesse that was masterfully crafted by Platinum. Just clunky stealth, a convoluted senseless plot and long winded cutscene after cutscene. Metal Gear Rising represents the pinnacle of the series so if you've already played it I don't see why you should even bother playing those other titles. Only one which you might consider is Metal Gear Solid V. However this latest entry in the franchise is still mediocre and boring compared to CUHRAZY Rising.
>>342945407
i think he needs to stay in his cuckshed to keep himself happy
>>342948986
its way too late into the thread to bait people hard dude.
>>342949069
>I DON'T AGREE WITH HIM SO HE MUST BE BAITIN!
Nope no baiting just an honest perspective. It's way too late in the thread to get butthurt friendo.
>>342949209
keep going you got this
>>342949209
>Nope no baiting just an honest perspective.
You're a funny guy.
It's clear they spent their entire budget on the level from the demo.
Everything else is totally fucking empty and underdesigned.
>>342948986
I don't get how people like you exist. I enjoy all sorts of games. I like quake, I like Killzone. I like Ninja Gaiden, I like God of War. I don't dismiss something if it doesn't play like something else I really enjoyed.
I'm sure you play other things besides CUHRAZY games, but comments like yours is basically /v/ in a nut shell it seems. "it's not a twitch shooter, it's shit" ect ect.
It's like why are you guys commenting on a cover based shooter if you hate cover based shooters?
Such limited scope yet so vocal.
>>342945013
MGS4 ruined Raiden
>>342945024
>>342945890
I just got Transformers but the combat seems a lot simpler than MGRs. The dodge and transforming do feel real nice though so I'll keep playing.
>>342945769
The whole game seemed pretty easy to me, but I started on normal. If the camera was panned out a bit more and the game gave you a hard lockon it would help a lot with inputs and spacing.
>>342949712
MGS4 made his choices. They were bad choices but he made them for himself rather than because the player controlled him
>>342948789
>putting 5 above 3
>>342943957
Fuck off with your ABC Team already
Nier looks better than Scalebound and by your logic the B team is wroking on Nier while the A team works on Scalebound
>>342949954
3 was a shit mgs game
>>342943839
Horrible Metal Gear. AMAZING action game.
>>342946892
You should play the Sam DLC, his moveset has a fuckton of depth to it compared to Raiden's or Bladewolf's.
Beyond that MGR was still an A++ action game that's on par with some of the best released.
>>342943839
MGR is the worst? Now there's a pretty meme. Exquisite!
>>342950078
>Horrible Metal Gear.
Better than TPP
>>342950347
I'd like to see your reasoning for that.
>>342950062
Here's a (You) for your effort
>>342950453
It has bossfights.
Better "war is bad" angle.
Codec instead of tapes.
Isn't a reskinned Far Cry 3
>>342943839
>metal gear fans hate this game
Who are you quoting?
I thought MGR was better than 4, PW, GZ, and TPP
What's the deal with all the MGR bashing recently? Also there seems to be a lot of MGSV praising too. It's like people feel the need to be contrarian at every turn.
Like I get that if you hold a moderate opinion on /v/ you'll get ignored but you really shouldn't allow this board to shape your opinions in any way.
>>342950797
>recently
It's not a recent phenomenon though, people were merciless on release because it's short as fuck.
>>342946293
MGR sure as fuck isn't a top-tier Metal Gear game that's for sure.
>>342950920
Damn near all Platinum games are short, not defending the length of the game but it hardly seems like a real reason to bash it.
>>342946682
>>342947248
>>342946515
The upgrade system, the soft lock during combat and the lack of real time weapon and sub weapon switching are the things that harm MGR the most. I pretty much used Mistral's pole arm for like 90% of the game because the other weapons were so limited and not nearly as fun.
I still enjoyed the fuck out of it but the game could have been a lot better with a few small changes here and there.
Complaining that the game isn't balanced for end game difficulties you can only reach with a cheat code is pretty damn retarded though.
>>342946237
A lot of the position based input moves are really hard to get off because of the lack of a lockon. If DMC had it so getting launchers was difficult to get off because of the lack of a lock on then I think everyone would complain.
>>342945024
No one talks about Transformers though, it's almost like the game doesn't exist.
No one talks about Bayo 2 either, but I think that's because it's a Wii u only title. It's annoying how there isn't like 1 solid platform to buy to play the bulk of the good Platinum/action games released.
>>342950252
>ou should play the Sam DLC, his moveset has a fuckton of depth to it compared to Raiden's
except for the little fact that Sam has even LESS moves and only one weapon?
Sam's campaign is a bit better balanced and he himself is a better rounded character but claiming he has more depth is absurd.
Not that Raiden's depth is anything deeper than rain puddle because his moveset is extremely gimped to begin with
>>342948398
Mistral, for how shit her character and mission are, has a fabulous weapon. It's a shame Monsoon's is utter garbage given how great his fight and level are.
>>342943839
Production order, you homo.
Star means you start with Metal Gear (1987) on the MSX, followed by Metal Gear 2 then the Metal Gear Solid games
IN
FUCKING
ORDER
How could it even ever occur to anyone that maybe playing a random sequel first would be clever?
