tf2 heavy
strengths:
>strongest dps
>2x health than average class
>can restore health
weaknesses:
>easily countered by sniper/spy
>slow
>pitiful damage at range
overwatch roadhog
strengths:
>250 hook kill combo at medium range
>3x health than average class
>can restore health
>no spy class, widow's full headshot can't kill him
>just as fast as anyone else
>ult either knocks people off ledges or pins them against wall and kills them
weaknesses:
>???
tldr spy class when
>weaknesses:
>enemy team will be able to charge ults 2-3x faster.
>>342916873
Roadhog is slow, pitiful damage at distance and is easily countered by Reaper or Symmetra.
>>342917306
>charge ult meme
he charges his healer's ult fast too
>>342917354
turns out you can just put words in any order you like
>>342917375
Sure. But the healer usually die first.
>>342917375
His team will be dead, and he's useless when you're more than an arms reach away. And his healer won't get a lot of ult because he's healing himself, the healer loses out on 300 hp heal charge.
>>342916873
>does no damage outside of close range, alt fire is finicky and unreliable
>useless when misses hook
>no abilities to defend teamates unlike other tanks
>has only health, squishy vs solider and bastion
>>342916873
Roadhog gives the enemy team free ult
>>342917585
>turns out you can put words in any order you like
>>342916873
Reaper already exists you faggot.
>>342918076
>>342917354
>hook reaper
>kill him
>this counters the roadhog
>>342918148
>miss hook
>phathom yourself
>move to the side
reminder that mobas tend to have hook abilities on a long cooldown, and they're used by support/tanks with little inherent damage, while roadhog's hook has a 6 second cd
>>342918343
Good thing that Overwatch is not a MOBA then.
>>342918148
>What is wraith form
>>342918528
While I agree Reaper counters Roadhog, wraith form is not the answer to being hooked, you still die
>No shield
>No armor
>No mobility skills while having the largest hitbox in the game
>M1 has to be point-blank to do meaningful damage
>M2 does little to compensate
>>342917375
do you seriously think the enemy team dont just power charge their ults off a roadhog? He's tough but if not used right he makes the enemy team 10x tougher
>>342918598
Not really. You can move away if you are fast enough. I did it a couple of time today with Symmetra.
roadhog doesn't charge healers ults faster than any other character the rate at which heals charge ults is based on the fucking heal hot the max hp of the target you are healing
roadhog is just really really fucking bad
>having health is a burden!
new class it's the mcnigger with 2000 health he can click on people once to dc them but he's balanced because he will charge ultimates when his 2000 health is eliminated
>>342918894
>more max health
>more damage can be taken
>can be healed for more
?
>>342919001
explain how this changes the healing per second, and thus the ult charge rate
>>342919001
he means percent health but he's still a nigger
>more health
>more time to kill enemy with burst dps
>>342919117
>heal one target for long period of time
as opposed to
>heal for short period of time or do no healing because they're either dead or topped off
>>342916873
If you can't demolish roadhog on reaper or 76 it's straight up time to admit you a shitter and get good.
>Enemy picks Roadhog
>I've got you in my sights
>I'm a man on mission say out of my way.
>>342918148
He can't Hook + Shoot to kill Mei or Reaper, and both of them can get away easily and are good against Roadhog.
Reaper can Wraithform away and deals tons of damage.
Mei can either Ice Block and/or Trump Wall to escape and her Freeze+Icicle deals 250 to Roadhog and will buy enough time for a buddy to show up.
in a game where everyone and their mother is a doing a minimum of 300dps(ormore!) roadhog ends up worth a whole fucking whopping two seconds more healing than anyone else, worst case scenario, before he's dead.
>>342919392
>I've got you in my- augh!
the settings your fantasy works in are in the long distance open spaces of gibraltar or road 66
When will this "overwatch is disbalanced" meme end
>>342916873
The only thing I hate about roadhog is how if you are playing any other tank you have to completely respect him and almost never challenge him unless he's already hurt. I hate having to depend on my team to deal with shit like this.
>>342916873
Roadhog does literally no damage past melee range. If he can't land his hook he's going to be waiting another 7 seconds before he can try to kill someone.
Also some characters like Mei and Reaper can actually survive the hook if they buffer their invulns.
>>342919392
I stomp any reaper or 76 who thinks they can step to the hog. Hook, headshot, melee then bodyshot kills basically anyone, no one can dps down 600 health before they die.
>>342918343
thresh's hook gets reduced to 3 seconds with max cdr if you land it on someone
>>342919457
I can guarantee you i've been both and pressing shift does nothing against agoodroadhog
>Be Soldier 76
>See a Roadhog
>Literally free 50% charge before one of us dies
kek
>Enormous head hitbox
>At mid-long range cannot reliably do anything (Only has hook combo and if he misses it he's fucked)
>Low ammo
>>342919704
and that's why thresh is broken and so commonly used in LCS, and his kit is overloaded to hell
>>342919646
Reinhardt can challenge him if you time your shit right. especially if you pin him, which isnt hard on the fatass.
Low-energy Zarya can't, but High-energy Zarya absolutely melts him.
>>342919392
truly
76 doesnt even need ult to have aimbot aim against roadhog, unless you're a mile away roadhog is fat enough to get hit by nearly every shot even at full recoil
and a whole magazine can do reliable half of roadhogs health, plus helix missile means roadhog will spend half the game just huffing gas
all this can be done without even being in hook range
and a non-retarded reaper slaughters roadhog
>enemy team go 6 roadhog
>we all switch to hanzo
>they get fucking slaughtered
not a big hanzo fan but he can fuck up that giant target pretty easily
>>342919812
High energy Zarya shits fire till he drowns in it
Especially if you can maintain that range just before his alt fire explodes where he loses all his damage.
>>342919797
Thresh hasn't been a frequent pick for two entire seasons, Anon.
It's all Karma/Soraka/Zyra these days.
>>342919646
I don't know mane, I fucked quite a lot of roadhogs with Zarya. While it's true that in a hypothetical 1-1 situation she loses against not a complete tard hog, in a normal game where you always keep your energy up, zarya obliterates piggy
>>342917354
As Roadhog I kill Symmetras and Reapers all day long and they rarely kill me. Basically any class CAN kill a Roadhog if he isn't focusing on you. For example if Roadhog is fighting someone else and you pop in as Reaper then by time he even notices you are fighting him you've probably already killed him. But if you 1v1 Roadhog vs Reaper then after the first Reaper shot you're gonna get hooked and take a full blast to the face. If that doesn't kill you and you shadow out Roadhog will just follow the shadow and put one last pop in him. And then he'll heal himself back to full health.
The best Roadhog counter is Zenyetta. He can stay far enough out of his range to not get hooked while dealing great damage and a debuff from a distance. Widowmakers and Pharrahs aren't bad either. Basically anyone who stays out of hook range. And a good Tracer can fuck up a Roadhog as well. Sure she runs the risk of getting hooked and one shotted but she zip in and unload a full clip into a Roadhog's face, which will take like 400 of his 600hp, and zip out before he get's his hook off.
>>342919812
nah even if you pin roadhog you lose the fight unless he's already at half life since he can easily two shot you post pin. Zarya actually does do the trick if you have enough energy and a shield ready to block his shots but if he's full life it's still going to be close and probably in his favor.
>Roadhog is an abbo
>make him huff petrol
Really Blizzard?
>>342916873
Heavy counters:
>Pyro
>Demoknight
Heavy is countered by:
>Sniper
>Spy
>Scout
>Soldier
>Demoman
TF2 isn't exactly the game I would be citing for balance.
>>342916873
Zarya is a strong counter to him. If you see the hook come out, you just pop your shield and he's rendered useless until his CD comes off. You can also do the same thing for an ally as well.
>>342916873
>play on hanamura
>pick Pharah because I'm okay with Pharah.
>4 other teammates pick Roadhogs, 5th picks Junkrat
>end up being on fire for the entire game, and break all my personal bests as Pharah, also get POTG
Damn roadhogs, always making my life difficult
>>342919812
Hooking a reinhardt out of his charge is hilarious. They always stand there like "huh?" A lot of people seem to not know roadhog can hook people out of ults and certain moves and completely stop things like junkrats and dvas ult.
>>342919541
>Ulting roadhog.
The reason 76 is great against the hog other then then ult charge meme is he's the only tank with no way of stopping you wiping out his team with aim bot.
Also if you face check a corner into a guy with a hook and a shogun you deserve everything you get.
>>342919897
>a non-retarded reaper
You are making some dangerous assumptions.
Yea zen is great against roadhog, though the most vulnerable character in the game to his hook at close range. But discord orb makes his 600 hp a joke.
>>342920052
He's a Maori
>>342916873
D.va melts him and can block his ult.
>>342920063
Heavy is also countered by engy and used to be countered by pyro before axtinguisher nerf (so when TF2 was still relevant) Easily the worst class in the game.
>>342920314
you know out of all the "counters" listed i think this is the only not retarded one
>>342916873
Roadhog is not a tank. He is a fat assault class.
>>342919457
I had this problem when I started Roadhog.
Protip: Left click before the hook animation is finished.
If you wait to see where the hook lands them then you're giving them time to shift out. Also, melee simultaneously for extra damage.
>>342916873
>tldr spy class when
Being 6v6, spies really wouldn't work that well.
>>342920234
>Roadhog hooking Pharah's out of the sky, Mercy's out of position, Lucio's thinking they're hotshit wallriding, etc.
>I switch to Zen and put a discord orb on him every time he shows his ugly face
>Literally melt his HP even with body shots
>Roadhog goes from on-fire constantly to doing nothing and we win
I wonder how salty he was that game.
>Play as Reinhardt
>Roadhog hooks me
>Get pulled to him
>Charge
>Firestrike
>Swing
>Continue on my merry way
>>342920561
Probably pretty salty since he was bad enough to die to zenyatta without killing you easily.
>>342920561
>switch to zen
>roadhog sitting on shuttle above payload on gibraltar, hooking me and oneshotting everytime i come over
>nothing i can do bc i'm the only healer
maybe it's the team's fault for not pushing ever
>>342920426
D.va gives him an opportunity to land some full blast headshots and he can just huff his trouble away because
>D.Va damage
>>342920314
Just hit my 5th hour Roadhogging
D.va might be the easiest of the Tank class to kill, easy to get headcrits and she can't brawl up close very well
>>342920745
How does a roadhog kill a zenyetta out of hook range?
>>342920745
Zenyatta outranges Roadhog due to having no damage drop off.
I'm just more surprised no one went Widowmaker or Tracer to harass me.
>play tracer or any small hitbox character
>most roadhogs cant hook me
I honestly dont have a problem with roadhog. Roadhog isnt much of a threat once his hook is on cooldown
>>342920839
yeah true d.va's damage is fucking abysmal for a close range weapon but at least she doesn't get oneshotted
>>342920793
>switching to Zen without another healer
????
>>342920846
By not being terrible and letting you take pot shots at him. A person with map knowledge and skill wont be in a place where you can discord them and shoot them without you being in hook range.
>>342920920
Roadhog is the ultimate pubstomper class. He's less effective against a coordinated team, which is why you don't see him as much in competitive.
>>342920845
Eh she can actually kill you with continuous headshots assuming you weren't paying attention to her, Winston may as well kill himself rather than try taking on a roadhog.
>>342916873
>>342917375
do you really think that only a few comp teams use him in certain situations for NO fucking reason?
Do you really think, with your baby MMR fucking ape brain, that Roadhog is somehow imbalanced and not just a great duelist with situational strengths and weaknesses?
>>342920990
>A person with map knowledge
It depends on the map though. For example on Gibraltar Zenyatta/Widow will fuck up Roadhog since there are huge stretches of open areas. If he's 'smart' enough to hide behind cover, then he loses a lot of effectiveness by not being able to run around in the open hooking and insta-gibbing everyone.
>>342920920
Killing a Tracer is extremely satisfying as a Roadhog though, I love getting em
>>342920990
So basically taking cover and hiding and trying to flank him. As a tank.
At that point why not just play soldier 76 or reaper?
>>342921069
>do you really think that only a few comp teams use him in certain situations for NO fucking reason?
Because he is not that useful when using autoaim hacks.
>>342917306
>character activates ult
>*HOOKED!*
>gibed
>*laughing pig noises*
>Mercy players
>>342921094
I'm def not the best player by a mile but I can count the times ive died to a zenyatta on one hand out of about 500 games. Depending on the objective i dont lose any effectiveness by not being in the open. Just because hes a tank doesnt mean youre supposed to run down center lane taking every bullet. ITs not an MMO in that regards. I absorb at critical times while disrupting the other team. If I'm hit with a discord orb i dont sit around to let anyone kill me for free, ill reposition and get the surprise until it wears off.
>>342921353
>mercy walking around aimlessly looking for someone to heal, bumping into walls and shit
I almost feel bad killing her, and I've yet to see one mercy that will actually pull a pistol on me.
>>342921440
>muh anecdotal experience
Okay. Come back when ranked launches and you stop pubstomping.
>>342921353
That's clearly a result of lag + poor tick rate.
Heavy is easily countered by soldier and demo, like everything else in the game. TF2 isn't very balanced past the pub level.
Roadhog like a Heavy is easy to identify and avoid their gimmick. It's quite easy to DPS him down, and the health restore roots him in place so that it's more of a hide and recover momentum feature rather than a boost to his tankiness.
His ult does very little damage at range, and if you're close enough to get fucked by it you're probably already going to get fucked by him without his ult.
The main downside to Roadhog is that he isn't Reinhardt.
>>342921279
>le Taimou/Surefour is hacking meme
I don't remember them using roadhog for one, but if you really think that someone has somehow reverse engineered a proprietary engine to make a bone hack to sell for
what would have to be a stupid high price to a very small group of people, and it has remained undetectable...come on
>>342921227
Because you dont play all the tanks the same? Roadhog has no shield to fall on he absorbs damage with high hp and sidesteps and recovers. If you play roadhog out in the open 100% then youre doing it wrong.
>>342921519
TF2 has a complete shit metagame that has literally never changed across BOTH FUCKING FORMATS and nobody says shit about it. Every major push is behind the medic, unless you get something like two or three huge picks. It's so boring and has never changed.
>>342921353
That's the fucking "Gaurdian Angel: Prefer Beam Target" option in fucking action. It's own by default. Gotta toggle it off because it will get you killed everytime. She looks at the player she wants to fly to and presses shift. And instead of leaping out of danger she is sucked into a pit. Shit happened to me 3 times before I figured out what caused it.
>>342921510
Grand rebuttal sir, I'll be sure to wave as you stay on the bottom of the totem pole forever.
>>342917354
Rein
Charge
One swing
Gg
>>342921515
The shitty tickrate plays no part in the proceedings at all.
>>342921632
Yes, Soldier and Demo with a medic. Couple of scouts and snipers maybe and that's it forever.
The gameplay within the metagame is quite tight which is great but yeah. Even though pubs aren't challenging they're the most fun to have with the game.
>>342921523
>pros blatantly hack in tournaments repeated times
>Blizzard does literally nothing but deny reality and send drones to forums for damage control
There were already hacks available during the beta. Blizzard just doesn't care.
>>342916873
Wow it's a good thing Roadhog isn't in TF2 then and is instead in a game with characters that counter him and can also do plenty of crazy shit that you wouldn't find in tf2
>weakness
>the entire offensive roster
>half the defensive roster
>reinhardt
>>342918598
Hold shift during the animation
>>342921632
>TF2
>metagame
>formats
I am glad this stupid tryhards moved to OW honestly.
>>342921765
>charge
>get hooked out of charge
>headshot
>melee
>headshot and strafe
>dead knight
>>342921694
Why do I need a rebuttal to a personal anecdote?
We'll see where you get with Roadhog once ranked comes out :)
>>342921632
>playing normal TF2
play arena, medic is still super strong but you can't sit around safely building ult since the game moves so fast and crazy compositions can kill your squad out of nowhere.
>>342919489
name one non ult ability that does 300 dps
>>342921519
restore roots heavy in place but it's twice as long and he'll still die to headshots or meatshots
>>342921923
>play arena
Why would comp players play the most fun and dynamic mode out there? They are too busy ruining the game.
>>342920427
Roadhog and D.Va both have this problem in the tank section. Same with Symmetra and Zenyatta in the support section. It's pisses me off because the game recommends a tank and a healer so almost every game requires 2 players to pick from a pool of 2 or 3 options while everyone else can do what they want.
>>342920396
Thats Spy.
Spy is countered by any class, and just understanding how the spy class works makes countering him really easy.
>>342920063
>scout counters heavy
Only if the heavy is bad
>>342921919
Way past you friend with your extremely limited knowledge of proper game play. :^)
>>342918279
>miss hook
so roadhog is balanced when he has down syndrome?
mei's a faggot
>>342922027
Sniper is always at a disadvantage against Spy.
>>342922027
nah, spy has actually been played occasionally in pro leagues and worked out since his revolver has insane dps irregardless of stealth system and the like.
>>342922027
in tf2 counters dont decide the result of every single fight because skill is also a factor unlike with overwatch
>>342921885
>>342921991
>tryhards and comp players BAD, me biggum tf2 authority man!
babygamer posting watch out guys
>>342921776
those exact hacks were banned, are you really posting about shit you have no clue on while ignoring what Blizz already did against hackers?
all my time playing Roadhog I've never been killed by a Reinhardt. Assuming you didn't see the charge coming and couldn't hook him out of it then you just heal up immediately after you're pinned. His hammer swings don't do much for damage. It'll take at least 4 swings to drop your regained 300hp. Only takes two Roadhog shots to the face of Reinhardt to kill him. And if you shoot-hook-shoot that's one less opportunity he has to swing or shield.
>>342921523
actually I've seen both taimou and surefor go roadhog in the most recent invitational.
>>342921776
No pros are hacking, a video of the buggy kill cam making their tracking look weird is not evidence, every kill cam looks like that with a good player.
>>342922070
>muh roadhog flanks
lol
>>342921069
It's early into the game's lifespan, so the most used heroes will be those which are most straightforward. If you are going to have a tank hero, Rein is a far more obvious choice.
>>342922239
I got killed by a Rein once. They were double Reining and I got sandwiched. It was mostly sexual.
>>342922128
Since when exactly?
>>342922309
>If you are going to have a tank hero, Rein is a far more obvious choice.
It's more that Reinhardt is the only one who can actually 'tank' so he's useful for 99% of team comps.
Well, I guess Dva can kind of tank as well but it's on such a large cooldown it might as well not matter.
>>342922212
I thought things were decided by:
>Is it Solider, Scout, Demoman or Medic?
no.
>its shit
>>342922212
this. The absolute worst thing about overwatch is how weaving and bobbing is half as effective as it is in any other shooter due to the 20 tick. So many times I'm around a corner or shifting back and forth and see an arrow hitting to the left of my head kill me, fuck.
>>342922309
>tank
>roadhog
lmao, next you're going to tell me Hanzo takes up the same slot as Widowmaker on a proper teamcomp
>>342922184
>since his revolver has insane dps
Hey don't make this common knowledge, I want to keep raping idiots.
>>342922306
>muh lack of critical thinking and adaptation
lol
>>342922328
>>342922453
The hurtbox for the arrow is massive though
>>342922225
>those exact hacks were banned
They banned an insignificant amount few people, mostly in China,and then ignored most hackers. Blizzard has some of the worst hack detection in the industry.
>>342916873
Zarya completely counters roadhog. Shield anyone who gets hooked, or better yet, shield someone that you think he's going to hook. The shield blocks it. Congrats. Roadhog is now useless and he'll switch to someone else soon enough.
>>342922559
I have 50 some hours in overwatch and haven't seen a hacker yet.
Maybe you're just a whiney bitch?
>Tracer
>Any good sniper
>Zarya
>Reaper
>A Mcree with a buddy
Stop being shit, Roadhogg is easily countered.
>>342922249
>kill cam making their tracking look weird
I love how this image proves more and more relevant each day. It's insane the lengths drones will go in order to defend that shit company.
I actually do decently against roadhog with dva
When they pull me in i just mash boosters or defense matrix, could just be them being too slow tho
>>342922559
play a month of cs go. play a month of OW, see which one has more hackers. If they're so bad at it, why do you NEVER see hackers?
>>342922625
Yeah this ain't a bad idea. Tough to perform but when done well will wreck his round. Good Zaryas are steamrollers.
>>342916873
It's called a reaper. They can 2-3 shot a roadhog no problem. And if you're getting killed by whole hog, you're shit at positioning and situational awareness.
>>342922452
>unironically playing in shitty 6v6 comp servers
>>342919797
>and that's why thresh is broken
>he's not even a priority pick now
u wut
>>342922669
>I have 50 some hours in overwatch
I am sorry, should go to the doctor and ask for addiction advise .
>>342916873
>just as fast
isn't he slower?
>>342922732
I saw hackers when I played the game during the beta, they are often extremely easy to spot.
All online games have a certain amount of undetected hackers, it's just way more common in Blizzard games.
>>342922829
Yes, not be a significant amount though. TF2 heavy took a while to go from point A to B by walking compared to every other class.
>>342922829
everyone in overwatch runs at the same speed, barring movement abilities, in contrast to heavy's snail speed when he has his minigun charged
>>342922829
all the overwatch characters are the same speed.
Tracers has a zip ability.
Lucio has a speed buff.
Soldier 76 has a sprint.
ect. Without abilities everyone moves equal speed.
>>342922915
Aren't hackers scared off by how heavy Blizzard has been on cheating though? Hackers allegedly haven't been able to play again even if they made a new account and purchased a new game. It seems like they only way to get around the ban would be to change your hardware/ISP.
>>342916873
>Weaknesses:Zenyatta
>>342922818
>50 hours is a lot
kek
>>342922829
tracer and genji have 5% xtra move speed
the rest have normal
Tf2 is a horrible barometer for balance, that should be relatively obvious given how they handle movement.
>>342922829
I'm pretty sure everyone runs the same speed.
>>342923125
>tfw got one of the other heroic intros instead randomly
I've only actually gotten potg with zen a handful of times so it doesn't really matter but having Netero intro would be baller.
Hog has no weaknesses. Anyone with half a mind can see this.
The only literal thing he can't do is trade long-range.
Everything else, he has the best in the game.
>Best CC
>Best heal
>Best Close-range weapon
>Best Mid-range weapon
>Best Health
Only his ult is kinda meh. And even that lasts for like, half an hour for no reason.
Roadhog has no weaknesses, especially compared to other tanks.
>Reaper counters him
If you think this, you're either a faggot, shitty roadhog player yourself, or you are playing against some retarded roadhogs.
Anyone in close quarters with you shouldn't survive for more than a second.
>>342923039
>Aren't hackers scared off
No, they are fucking hackers. They are beyond fear or morality. If by some miracle they get detected they are just gonna do the same thing again with a more secure system.
>>342921765
Charge and a swing is 375 damage, nice try.
>>342918343
pudge hook is around the same, even less with aghanim scepter. Like 4 seconds
>>342923154
It's a lot for a mediocre and shallow game that gets boring after 10 hours.
>>342923302
>Only his ult is kinda meh. And even that lasts for like, half an hour for no reason.
You're also fogetting that the knockback causes people to go fucking flying off in the other direction. I don't think Roadhog needs a nerf, but the knockback on his gun is fucking ridiculous.
>>342923302
This is objectively correct.
>>342923349
>they are just gonna do the same thing again
That's the thing apparently
Hackers haven't been able to hack again. They, often times, buy the game again and get rebanned before they can even attempt.
>reaper
>get hooked
>wraith mode
>take no damage
>3 hit him before he can do anything
>>342923448
do you have ADHD? get tested today
>>342923539
>Hackers haven't been able to hack again
Are you brain-dead?
>complaining about Roadhog
What's next, complaining about Bastion and Mei?
>>342923302
his ult melts a rein shield, melts everyone else at the same time
>>342923624
I'm just going off the stories I've heard, man. Changed IPs and accounts, only hacked in the beta, still rebanned instantly.
>>342919541
And I suppose the settings in your fantasy world of 'Roadhog hooks my entire team with his 2s cd hook that has autoaim, with his perfectly headshot everytime shotgun, while we fight each other in a hallway' should still count right? He's a good 1v1'er who makes the enemy team build charge fast as fuck, git gud you fucking babby
>>342923302
roadhog (and zaria to a lesser extent) are useless at fighting enemy snipers, which is somewhat of a major role for a tank to play. counter roadhog by engaging him with at least one other person, or with a hanzo to enjoy the fast ult and wipe the enemy team
>>342923125
>>342923586
You're playing against bad Roadhogs. There's a stun that doesn't allow you to wraith out before he gets his shot off. If you took no damage then that means the Roadhog never left clicked while hooking. Now you might be able to wraith out after that shot with like 50hp if he missed your head. And if you can make it to a health pack before materializing then you got a fighting chance. Otherwise you're dead.
>>342923672
players are learning how easy bastion is to pick out when it sits in one spot, and you do have to begoodwith mei in order to achieve anything
if i had anyone else to complain about, it'd be junkrat and reinhart, rein not necessarily being strong, but just a necessary pick bc the uniqueness and reliability of his shield
>>342923624
He's telling the truth. Hackers have reported that Blizzard hardcore bans them, and nothing they try let's them play the game again.
>>342923672
All the engineer classes have some of the best win rates in the game. Bastion is just fun to play unlike fucking Torbjörn.
>>342923742
/v/ memes told me hanzo is only played by shitters who suck at the game
>>342923873
Been wrecking Bastions from a distance as Mercy lately. Unload a whole clip in his direction from a distance and wait for them to connect.
>>342923736
Taking gaming news sites seriously is directly correlated with being a fucking idiot.
>>342923873
>players are learning how easy bastion is to pick out when it sits in one spot
Only a bad Bastion would do that though.
>>342924024
Funny you assumed it was gaming news sites when I never mentioned that.
>>342924204
I can read minds. Especially when they mindlessly repeat things that they read on gaming sites or forums.
>>342924369
>or forums
You mean shit straight from the hacker's mouth?
But maybe you know better. After all, you are... ...?
>>342923301
Got it yesterday.
>>342924426
Maybe you need to meet hackers who aren't complete retards.
>>342916873
>play d.va
>eat roadhog for breakfast
>play genji
>eat roadhog for breakfast
>play reinhardt
>ignore roadhog, if he hooks me into his team that's his mistake
>play roadhog
>outplay their roadhog
G E T G U D
>>342923302
>Best mobility
>Best hitbox
>play symmetra
>can almost fully charge your ult from just killing roadhog with laser while you run circles around him
I swear symmetras recharge rate is 2% per second you attack
>>342922060
with this is practically one sided.
>>342924509
maybe you need to stop talking about shit you don't know about
>>342924617
Doesn't genji eat one hook and die? Sure you can peck at him pretty hard from beyond hook range but that requires open space
>>342924989
That's equivalent to a Mei.
>>342925040
genji can block hooks
getting roadhog to shoot himself is great
>>342925040
>genji
>needing open space
just go up if you need more room
>>342916873
the damage is around 600 actually if you land the M2 > Hook > M1 > Melee.
>>342922060
>scout doesn't counter heavy
TOP KEK
you can literally kill him in less than three seconds with the scattergun. As long as you get the drop on him you can't lose, even trading at range your gun can kill him first if you play right. If not you get your other scout buddy to come in from behind while you distract him.
>>342925141
Genji can reflect all projectiles. Including Ults like Hanzo, Mei, Tracer and Zaryah
>>342925335
well done
>roadhog runs to the point
>get free ult all game because this fat fuck
>dies easilly if he doesn't get his hook
>win every team fight because I drop my fat meaty ult on their team
>people think roadhog is a good Idea on offense
>>342918148
React to him starting to hook with Wraith or predict it, not hard.
>>342924936
>2% per second you attack
I would hope not
>>342923932
Toblerone is great fun to play.
You just have to not sit behind your sentry jacking off the whole match. Drop it in a blindspot and flank niggas/draw attention with your rivet gun. Put a sentry on the payload while attacking. Go nuts.
>>342921353
Don't care. I'd let her heal me any day.
https://chan.sankakucomplex.com/post/show/5382808
Off topic, but so much for that "Blizzard is killing Overwatch porn" boogieman.
>>342924617
>ignore roadhog, if he hooks me into his team that's his mistake
don't know bout you but rein getting hooked by roadhog is pretty bad news.
>>342917354
>slow
Only Tracer, Genji, and Speed Lucio have different walk speeds. They disguise it with the strides each character takes.
>>342925189
>That second when the fucking cunt Mei stares at you while she readies her icicle.
Just buff her so it insta-fires. My psyche can't take it.
>>342918076
Reaper isn't a straight counter. Reaper vs. Roadhog is mostly a question of who sees who first.
Or if the Roadhook is missed. Then the pig is fucked.
>>342926224
No it isn't.
Even if Roadhog is a shitter and misses his hook, he still has the exact same gun as reaper, except it also works in medium range.
Oh, and nearly triple Reaper's health.
Reaper should NEVER beat Hog 1v1, under any circumstances.
fucking sick of him being picked every single game
>>342926364
>he still has the exact same gun as reaper, except it also works in medium range
Which fires twice as slow, against a target half the Hog's size. And if it's going bad for the Reaper, he can usually just leave.
It's nowhere near as cut and dry as you're making it out to be.
>>342926581
not to mention he cant 1 hit reaper without headshots
>>342926364
>4 shots til reload
>8 shots til reload
>exact same gun
reaper has more breathing room for mistakes than fatboy
>>342920314
I usually wreck D.Vas
I just don't think she can take him 1v1, all the roadhog has to do is back out if she's getting on him in a big fight, and even then that's time the D.Va could be using going after squishies, and then if you pursue him you get fucked anyway
>>342921353
She was probably fucked anyway, that way gets her to spawn faster
The absolute only problem with Roadhog is the stun-timer. He will always, ALWAYS get that first shot into you if he hooks you.
And a full shotgun-blast to the head is not what you want to experience.
Why do people debate class balance anonymously?
People with wildly different skill levels are going to have wildly different opinions on what is/isn't overpowered, and how something can/can't be countered.
>>342927267
Because there's a chance that a level 1 player who's playing his first game ever is going to land that headshot with Widowmaker that brings down a three-star Tracer in one hit.
>>342927478
People with practice are better than people without.
>>342927478
Not consistently.
Literally only top players' opinions have any legitimacy. Everyone else's can be written off with "git gud" because the top players have already done just that.
>>342916873
he only kills 1 person every 7 seconds.
that's really shitty in a game where people explode in 1 second.
>>342927379
Fuck, i miss old naruto
>>342926703
No he can't it does exactly 220, to one hit reaper he has to get headshots on quite a few pellets.
>>342918717
>M2 does little to compensate
What am I reading
>>342916873
>weaknesses:
Reaper, formerly McCree, Junkrat if he's positioned well (he's never positioned well)
And anyone that's jumping when they get hooked, thereby sending them in random directions and ensuring they get to push their invuln, rewind, etc buttons.
>>342918717
>M2 does little to compensate
Somebody's clearly never gotten a meatshot on a squishy class.
>>342928375
Well it's always like that when characters become too powerful. Dragonball was more enjoyable than Dragonball Z too
>>342923769
Why does that Genji have such thick thighs?
>tfw when finally close to mid distance on Zen and hook him
SCRAPPED
>>342924617
>Dva killing Roadhog
Where does this meme come from? I only die to her if I already killed two people and you're the third, otherwise I m2 shift m1 m3 you in the face, E while you're ejecting, then combo you again
>Genji
Sometimes 20tick causes me to eat deflect shots because the animation hasn't played yet, but I can still E during the rest of it (if I need to) and then combo you
>Rein
At range, I can't do shit except plink and I'm not even sure that's worthwhile (builds his ult, right?)
At not-long-range I run up and clip through the shield
>Roadhog v Roadhog
This is a coin toss that seems to usually favor the one getting hooked for some reason, unless you were already at low health
I try to avoid hooking other Roadhogs, it's just not worth it unless it's to save a teammate or stop his ult, and there's probably some higher value squishy nearby
>>342929487
>m2 shift m1 m3 you in the face, E while you're ejecting
>d.va presses E
>you've got nothing
>I can still E (for genji)
>implying i'm gonna wait around for you and not disengage and kill your squishies, or use you for ult points
>reinhardt
come on dude, reinhardt destroys roadhog
>roadhog v roadhog
in my experience, very easy to make a roadhog repick if you fuck him hard enough as his doppelganger
>>342917354
roadhog isn't slow
he has the same base speed as everyone else. maybe because he is bigger it feels like you're going slow but he can keep up with nay other characters base speed.
tho you are correct he is countered easy by a lot of things. mostly range
>>342930039
He is slow. Slow fire rate. Slow recharge rate.
>>342920052
he isn't even Australian
>>342929847
If she presses E I either melee her or heal or reload
If you disengage then whatever, Genji's not really on the list of "essential squishies I can quickly and reliably kill"
Reinhardt does not destroy Roadhog, I don't knw where you're getting that. If we're brawling, he's going to lose; if he charges, I stun him out of it, if he keeps his shield up I clip through it and shoot or melee it, if he drops his shield and starts swinging I do more damage (though I might die if I'm already hurt and can't E) and if he's swinging without trying to bait a hook, I can hook combo and kill him
>>342920793
i know this feel
>you have to play healer because no one else will
>you have to play attack because no one else can
>>342930254
don't forget the epic 4-shot shotgun and no armor, no shields that fatboy brings to the fight++
>>342930315
as reinhardt, I won't blindly rush at a roadhog I'm protecting my friends who will kill you for me, roadhog does not have the damage output to shatter rein's shield without his ult
as d.va, you literally can't break through her ridiculous healthpool(with armour) if she's not facing you directly which is my tactic for roadhog - if he wastes 2 shots or a hook he's either dead or HAS to retreat meanwhile I can outpace him to any nearby medkits
I love Roadhog sometimes
>Hook an enemy
>OHKO them with a blast to the face
>Begin to reload
>Right as the scrap gets loaded in, hear "Scrap 'Em!"
>>342921909
>sheild
>wait for attempted hook
>bounces off
>charge-350
>fire strike-100
>swing twice-150
Dead from full health
>>342931563
>breaking the front lines to chase some fatty into his own team
you are a disgrace to german engineering
>>342916873
Roadhog is easily countered, has horrible ranged dmg, has a horrible reload rate and ammo capacity (4 fucking bullets) and even worse is an Ult Feeder
If heavy was in Overwatch he'd beat him easily
>>342930853
Even better
>Somehow combo didnt go through and only melee'd the FUCKEr
>when Ulting somehow sometimes crosshair gets swooshed to the top of the screen
If Only they'd fix these
One of the best things about roadhog is that he sounds like Immortan Joe
>play tracer
>about to lose on delivering the payload
>teleport around, keeping overtime going
>none of my team will push in and help
why are people so afraid to die?? the split second of overtime can make or break a round
>>342932443
I hate this shit aswell, people alive on overtime who refuse to get on the fucking point for whatever reason just drive me up the fucking wall
>not playing reinhardt
>>342932507
apparently they think the point is detrimental to their score. all they have to do is fucking sneeze on the point and overtime resets.
>>342932786
>Lucio
>fucking dipping in and out of the point to reset overtime while my shitty team trundles on over
>stall for at least 30 seconds while the enemy team chases me scooby doo style
>>342920035
That would have to be a seriously good Tracer, because I go hog to hard counter them. Hooking a Tracer and one-shotting is almost as good as killing faggot snipers as Winston.
>>342920063
>>342920396
How the fuck is "rage heavy" a thing, anyway? I saw that term pop up in a TF2 thread recently, and when I played (years ago) heavy was always weak.
>>342922003
The real problem is the attack/def/tank/support categories are meaningless. It should be frontliners, flankers, area denial, etc.
Medic strenghts
>overheal
>syringe gun can be pretty strong if you're cornered
>can buff damage OR give invulnerability/buffed healing depending on the medigun ubercharge
weaknesses
>medigun has little range
>under average health
>weak to spies,sniper,flanking
>can't catch up to his patient if he has more mobility than him or get airblasted: is very vulnerable in this case
>ubercharge must be activated at the right moment and can't afford his patient to be dead
>ubercharging more than one teammates consecutively depletes fastly the duration; can also uberchange only one at time
Mercy strengths
>secondary weapon can be pretty strong if cornered
>can buff damage or heal with medigun
>medigun has large range
>can catch up to his patient if he has more mobility than him or get separated by a blast: this allows her to have near constant protection from his patient
>doesn't have to bother about her patients being dead as she can ressurrect them
>resurrected people will also be invulnerable or a brief moment, not allowing snipers to shut them down as they resurrect
>can resurrect more than one person without drawbacks
weaknesses
>weak to snipers,flanking
>????
>>342932895
>b-but anon if i get on the point i might die!
>>342919797
He's not even a priority pick now
Disengage supports are huge right now, and double TP means hard engage gets fucked
I got to see a Leona/Jhin in competitive once recently, they got destroyed. First engage resulted in a TP to bot lane, and the enemy team snowballed from there and made their (leona/jhin) bot lane worthless
>>342919457
Mei is utter shit against tanks.
>>342932689
nice q press xd
