>it was free once, it should be free forever!
But it's ok when the anti-shills do it, right?
>>342878292
>But it's ok when the anti-shills do it, right?
Literally yes. Because they are actually being pro-consumer.
Yes. What dumb fucking question is that.
>>342878292
paying a monthly fee to be a peasant
>>342878292
Ps plus is shit and the people who are saying that it's a good thing and that it's an improvement has to be shills, or insane.
The Ps4 is suppose to be a complete upgrade to the Ps3.
What we get is just a console that doesn't run any game from the previous generation without paying a subscription.
Same with online it was free last generation and the generation before that and now?
Give us dem shekels goy :^))))
It's stupid.
If $60 a year is too much for you then gaming isn't the right hobby for you.
>>342878292
>mfw I have to pay to play Destiny online
just like a real MMO
except it's a fucking p2p connection
i wonder how much money it actually costs to run the destiny matchmaking servers
>>342879886
This
People tend to forget that gaming is a luxury hobby
>>342880182
I spend twice that amount on in-game boosts. People should stop complaining about microtransactions, gaming is a luxury
>>342880182
So it's like any fucking hobby?
That makes it okay to gouge consumers?
>>342880373
If can't afford it then you shouldn't be gaming at all
>>342878292
>Paying for internet in which you are already paying for
Why don't you go ahead and start paying to breathe as well, you fucking idiots. It's not like you fucking care.
>>342880557
So if they jacked the price up to $1000 next year, you'd be fine with it?
>>342880557
Exactly. Same with movies, music, any form of digital entertainment. If you're not paying for something you shouldn't be allowed to enjoy it
>>342880795
Yes
>>342880946
Cuck.
Next thing you know they'll want us to pay for consoles and hosting and food. Where's the line?
>>342881046
Oh I am sorry that I have money while you are filthy wage cuck
>>342878292
Paid online was the worst thing to happen to PlayStationbecause it meant they didn't have to provide good games every month, since people would buy PS+ anyway.
>>342879886
$60 is nothing. But $60 for each year I am planning to have my PS4?
I'd want my PS4 to last at the very least 8 years. So that'd be $480 just to re-enable the network functionality that the hardware I paid for should already be capable of, using the internet service that I am already paying for.
Why should I give Sony $480 fucking extra dollars just to be able to play online, after I've already paid for everything?
There is a difference between affording something and just being plain stupid with your money.
>>342880373
In what way is it price gouging? You pay $60 (the price of a single game on the console) for 365 days. Had you bought the system on launch day you would have only spent $120 on PS+ so far. You also get two (or more if you also have a PS3 and Vita) games a month that you can play as much as you want as long as the subscription is active.
Gaming is expensive. If you play on consoles you have to spend $60 per game and an online fee. If you play on PC you have cheaper games but more expensive hardware that you may have to upgrade more than once per gen. There are a thousand other things to do in life that are free and you chose one of the more expensive ones.
I hate to quote that Xbox guy, but there's a console for people like you, it's called last gen.
>>342881190
>oh I am sorry daddy have money you filthy wage cuck
Literally no one would or can pay that much cash while paying their own bills, eating right, and staying out of the red.
Fuck off you filthy drone.
>>342879886
If a 1000$ for a gaming machine is too much then this isn't the hobby for you either
>>342881540
you're paying money for a nonservice that should be fere
>>342881813
Why should it be free?
>>342881976
Because a ton other companies can do it
>>342881976
Peer to peer online costs close to nothing to maintain, as opposed to dedicated server hosting as in MMOs. It is provided for free in PC online clients such as Steam (alongside with social shit I couldn't care less about)
>>342881976
Other companies make their own free.
And their service is more secure anyway.
>Before PSN was required for online play
Sonyggers shit on Xbots for paying to play online.
>After PSN was required for online play
It's not that much money, what are you poor?!
>being so autistic you make this thread twice in a day
50 bucks must be like all the money you make in a year
>>342881778
I have a $1000 gaming machine and I'm going to be adding a GTX 1080 to it soon, and yet I still don't have a problem with paying for PS+ and XBL because combined it's only $120 a year. That is less than two days worth of a paycheck if you have a real job and it's less than a week if you work at McDonalds.
>be 18+ living alone
>arguing with retard underage kiddies on 4chan still living with parents
>they think they understand managing their own money just because some of them buy their own games
Mmmmmmnmnmm
Who here
>got a car
>pays gas
>buys food and clothes
>pays for water and electricity
>works 8 hours
And still buys games repeatedly? Why the fuck would you want to add a $60 surcharge on top?
Fucking Sonyfags shitting up the board. At least Microsoft is dead, Nintendo is at /vg/, and Bethesda is a laughingstock.
>>342881540
>you would have only spent $120 on PS+ so far
You mean $180.
And that's at least 3 fully priced retail games of my own choosing that I missed because of fucking PS+ being forced on me to not cripple my already existing games. Or half a dozen of cheaper games on PSN or whatever.
Next year the cost of PS+ will have already reached $240. That's over half the price of the fucking console itself.
And to top it all of, it's a cost for something you shouldn't even have to pay for to begin with. But I guess there is no point in arguing with you. You sound like you would happily pay Sony for the privilege of being allowed to play used games.
>>342882964
I pay everything you do and 60 bucks is nothing, less than a dollar a day for a year and for that year I get 48 games between my ps3 and ps4
Not a bad deal when a new game already costs 60 bucks
ITT: idiots and shills who are openly anti-consumer
>>342883038
>games on psn
You know plus also gives you discounts on games right so if you buy digital a lot it will end up paying for itself
And you said 180 bucks, that's 3 years of plus which is 72 games
Are you really saying 72 games for less than 3 dollars each is a bad deal
>>342883301
How's your bank account anon? Got a bunch of zeros at the end?
How's retirement going to treat you?
>>342883670
If I cared for any of those games I would have bought them already.
>>342882482
It happened so quickly too. Like within the hour that PS4 was announced to have paid online, it was being defended.
>>342878292
i hardly ever play multiplayer games on my ps4 so its really hard for me to actually give a fuck specialy when the monthly free games are shit
>>342882964
Todd Howard isn't actually holding a gun to your head telling you to buy his game. Games are not a civil right, they are a luxury. If you can't pay the price for them, then you can't play them. Reconsider your living situation if $60 is going to put you out on the street.
You said so yourself, you buy games repeatedly. Skip one of those games and you can pay for PS+. You yourself clearly don't understand managing your own money.
In 2013 it was on sale for 25$ for one year subscription.
I bought three years worth then, and now that it's running out I have zero interest in paying for it ever again.
I know /v/ is bad, but the fact that this is a point of contention on this board really opens my eyes. See you all at /ic/.I hope I never see any of you at /ic/
>>342883670
Have you seen the games on PS+ Kaz?
>not doing tha bare minimum and using the 2 week free ps plus shit
I was with sony last gen for free internet, but this shit is haram. Thank God i have a pc now though
>>342883670
>You know plus also gives you
I don't want anything else.
Besides, paying for discounts is retarded. And you'd have to spend a completely ridiculous amount of money for said discounts to actually cover the cost of acquiring said discounts to begin with. At which point you've still only gone +-0.
And no. PS+ does not give you games damn it. They rent you games that you completely lose if you stop your subscription. And you don't even get to choose what games they rent you.
And I repeat. If I want online play, I shouldn't have to pay for all these "services" I have no damn interest in. If you love these services so damn much go ahead and pay for them. But don't force put online play behind this subscription as if it is even the same kind of service.
>>342883735
>how's your bank account
Not bad, it helps that I have a decent job and share a house to lower my cost of living
I guess if you had a shitty mcjob and tried to live in a meme city alone you would be broke all the time then paying full price for a one year subscription might be to much, but then you can also get a year for 20 bucks usually around a holiday sale and if that's to much for you then I have to ask how you even afford an internet connection in the first place
>pay to use the internet that you pay for
Imagine if you need to pay to access and use amazon, youtube, or google.
>>342883931
>If you can't pay the price for them, then you can't play them.
>Imfuckingplying
>>342884117
https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of_Instant_Game_Collection_games_(North_America)
Either it should be free or there shouldn't be games that require you to be online
>>342883931
>>342882584
You should have to pay a fee for using a Web browser. If you can't afford it you shouldn't be using the Internet at all. $160/year to use the Web is literally nothing, that's less than an hour's worth of paycheck if you have a real job.
>>342884136
Then go bitch at Microsoft for doing it first with no added benefits and for trying to do the same thing with their PC releases
>>342883931
But I don't buy games repeatedly, and I didn't say that. I buy what I like and pirate everything else because I'm not supporting your shitty pricing.
>macro-economics
>reading comprehension
>your head
>your body
>my cock
>>342884304
>Trash
>A bunch of indieshit that I bought on Steam or Humble Bundle for a dollar years ago
>And NBA
What an amazing deal, thank you for bringing the wonders of PS+ to my attention
What games do you play online on ps4 anyway? My dumbass millenial brother paid 60 then 30 for Battlefront. Now he cant play outside of free weekend unless i pay 50 or 60 more to play online for the game he paid for
>>342884532
This Sony dundu nuffin it was Xbox that did it first pc forced playstation to charge for online play
>>342882482
The problem is that PS+ atleast always was a pretty good deal before the PS4.
No one thought that I would turn to shit with its release.
And I really can't remember anyone who said paid online was good. It's just that most people didn't really care because it was a good deal.
>>342884184
>bringing out the Mickey D deflection
>immediately reveals he doesn't live alone and gets help paying the bills
The goalposts have been moved.
>paying 60$/year to get your credit card info stolen
Yeah okay.
>>342884532
>Then go bitch at Microsoft
I do bitch at Microsoft. But I won't just ignore Sony given how they jumped right on that very same train and doing it just the same now.
Especially since it's a huge slap in the face for all their fans who stuck with Sony in the previous generation precisely because of not having to pay any extra fees for online.
>>342882482
there's an image compiling before and after posts that's hilarious, don't have it saved though
>paying Sony sixty cuckbucks a year to get your information stolen
>>342884773
Fucking this.
How many times has Sony dropped their spaghetti already? They never said that the money goes towards better security. It could be lining their own pockets.
>>342884738
360fags tried to justify it all the time. There were arguments over it all the time in between the RROD and No Games meming. Also it was pretty obvious that Sony was just buttering people up at the beginning to accept paid online on their next platform.
>>342884813
>I support things because it's free
How to spot a child or poor fag, they are the only ones affected by it since everyone else had plus for the deals and wasn't affected
>It's just 1 cent a minute
>it's essentially nothing!
Why are people so damn dumb that they somehow believe that something is actually cheap just because the payment is divided up over a longer period of time?
>>342884496
I do pay a fee for using a web browser, it's called my internet/cell phone service bills.
>>342884534
Work on your English then because it looks like you are saying you buy games repeatedly in your wording.
>always had PS+ for the games
>barely played online anyway
>it's now required to play online
>literally nothing changed
I mean, I guess it's hard on the consolfriends that save up for years to get a single console and have terrible parents
With a job I currently have so many subscriptions that I lost count, some I don't even use at all
>>342884768
>having roommates in your 20s is unacceptable, you have to live this specific way that I'll change when you reply
Those goal posts right poor fag
>>342885142
Because then they'll have to admit that they paid $300 over the course of a standard 5 year console cycle for nothing
>>342884773
>>342884915
>stolen
It's not really stealing if you're giving it away freely and by choice
You are in no way forced to pay for it
>>342885160
No you don't. That's your intenet service plan. Just because you have internet doesn't mean you have a browser.
I'm talking about an additional fee just to use your Web browser like the additional fee just to play your console games online.
I probably spent more on shitty indie garbage that were on sale on steam that il never play compared to what i spent on ps+
>>342885357
This. It's purely optional
>>342884646
>I only looked at the past two months for one console only
How to spot the PCuck
>>342885160
I was asking who supports themselves 100% while buying all of their games. Didn't matter what games they bought, just that they payed every penny on their own.
I don't need to do something myself in order to ask if someone else also does it. Maybe you should go take some college classes or do some tutoring, best way to learn what you struggle at is to teach it.
>>342880736
Gaming's not the right hobby for you if you can't pay to breathe
>>342878292
the thing that pisses me off is that they didn't improve multiplayer in anyway from the ps3.
>>342885245
So do you just pirate all games and never upgrade your hardware?
>>342885567
The last year has been shit for the PS3
The last three years has been shit for the PS4
Who gives a fuck about Vita
>>342885235
>can't live alone
>can't shoulder all his own bills
>calls other's poor
I guess this is how Sonyfags pay for online then.
Chimping out and stiffing friends and roommates.
>>342885410
>Just because you have internet doesn't mean you have a browser.
Is there such thing as a modern device with internet access that doesn't have a browser? I'ts also a shitty comparison because the internet is a standard for living in the modern world. If you have a job or go to school you are going to need to use a web browser.
A better comparison is going to the movies since like games it is an entertainment luxury that you can 100% live without
>>342878292
>same faggot from the other thread with same shitpost
I'll say it again, kill yourself
>>342885849
Then by all means tell us how you live and why 60 bucks a year is out of your budget
Can someone please explain this?
P.S. the point I'm making is not that steam is having a sale.
>>342885794
>getting games for 2 bucks and some change isn't cheap enough, REEEEEE indie shit, it has to be all newly released AAA games to be worth it
>>342886098
Lira is worth more
>>342886098
Jews
>>342885902
You can live 100% without a web browser, you dumb fucking millennial.
>>342886098
It costs money to convert currencies you dumb nigger
>>342885965
>buying something's
>pirating everything else
>living alone
>8 hour workdays
>minimalistic necessities
I can afford $60 a year because I don't pay for everything I want retard. I'm not a Sony drone who buys every new PS4 game and the new console versions.
And I'm not about to take a hit in my profits because I want to speak to someone over a mic and play outdated games.
>nb4 jew
>nb4 kike
>>342886354
B-but gaben is a Jew!
>>342885902
Your ISP does not provide you with a Web browser. The browser you're using right now is completely free and has nothing to do with your Internet service.
It's a perfect comparison. The Internet is not a utility, it is a luxury. . You don't need the Internet to live anymore than you need photoshop or Microsoft Word. If you have a job or go to school they provide you with Internet and software they paid for.
Your comparison is dogshit because you don't pay an extra fee on top of the ticket you already paid for to go see the movie.
>mfw i paid for ps+ anyways when i only had a ps3
>bought a ps4 and had a whole library of free games to download that had built up from previous months of ps+
>>342886469
>TL is more valuable than USD according to Sony and the other way around for Valve
>>342885085
Case in point
>>342886685
>buying a membership for a network always going down
Sony Networks always go down but I have a PS4 and Xbox One, me and my friends just GameShare on Xbox one and take turns paying for the membership
>>342886493
>steals
>hordes money
>b-but it's on, muh profits
Well yeah if you want to live half starved in some shit hole stealing things then be my guest
>>342886951
>stealing
Try again
>>342886582
>internet is not a utility
http://www.nytimes.com/2015/02/27/technology/net-neutrality-fcc-vote-internet-utility.html
>>342880182
>>342879886
>>342882584
I love this poor person logic. To the truly poor who are terrible with money. Everything is essentially a giffen good, want a pair of jeans? $50 nah. Same pair for $500 yes of course, logically fashion isn't for poor people, i can easily afford $500 anyway only takes me a days to make that, I'm so rich i can afford nice things, you are poor, in your $50 jeans!
Normal people, be it middle class or reasonably wealthy don't justify things with, "well I can afford to pay this much, thus fore it should cost that much" charging me to play a game i already own and payed for is bullshit irrespective of if it is $50 $5 or $500 a year. Some games don't even use dedicated fucking servers, if im hosting over p2p why do i have to pay for the "network"? If this bullshit is okay because "you can afford it." you probably can't with that shit tier money management.
>>342887160
Web browsers are not a utility according to that article
>>342887125
Justify it how you want, it is what it is and I dont have a problem with the act itself if it's just games and movies and what have you
I do have a problem with you talking about money management and how people live when you live like a rat and steal things
You not denying living in a shit hole and being half starved was a dead give away, I hope you do well in the winter
>>342880146
Strangely my PS+ membership ran out a week ago and I can still play Destiny and BF4 online with no restrictions
>It's okay when xbox does it
Seriously, none of you argued when the 360 did that while PS3 was free.
What the fuck?
>>342887528
>it is what it is
Which is not stealing, according to both the legal and dictionary definition
>>342887332
>muh splitting hairs
>>342886582
More fitting would be if you had to pay a membership to use the movie theatre ON TOP of the price of the movie ticket.
>>342886105
I'd prefer if the games were both good, and weren't in a Humble Bundle already for a dollar that I could choose to buy
>>342887680
>none of you argued when the 360 did that
Nice revisionist history faggot
>>342887528
>piracy=stealing
>necessities=cup ramen, pepsi, and a blanket for the winter
Lmao. That guy you just replied to wasn't even me.
>>342879886
I found it funny when Sonyggers praised PS3 for not having a forced online subscription.
>w-who would pay $60 a year to play games online? those xbots are fucking retarded!
Whenever I feel like playing any of my PS+ games or if theres something interesting for "free" (even put the " so noone gets triggered) I buy a month for 6 bucks, play some multiplayer stuff and then wait for some months
Is this really too hard to figure for some people ?
>>342887779
How is it splitting hairs? The whole point was paying for your web browser on top of the internet you already pay for
>>342887789
Do theaters actually do that? I know there are theater memberships but they're usually not required to go see the movie.
>I'll never ever pay for the privilege of being allowed to play used games! The very thought is insulting!
>But I'll gladly pay for the privilege of being allowed to use my own internet service through my games that I already paid for! You aren't poor are you?
To this day I have no idea what the fuck happened with Sony fans after E3 2013. None of it makes sense anymore.
>>342887827
its fucking true.
y'all where bitching about the "599 US DOLLARS" Crap during that time and completely ignored that xbox 360 just buttfucked y'all with subscriptions
>>342887885
You're getting a worse deal than people who pay by the year
>>342888030
No.
That would just be the equivalent.
>>342878292
Because you're paying for the same ps3 net code with no improvements.
That XBL actually had quality control.
>>342887868
>paying for only online play is the same as paying for online play, games, discounts, and assorted shit like themes and avatars
>>342878292
We literally had a thread an hour ago.
>>342887680
People bitched endlessly about Xbox Live. It has hands down been the most common critique of the Xbox.
>>342888204
And, funny enough, now Microsoft does all of that better than Sony. Unless you're going to defend your precious Gone Home and NBA2k16.
>>342888204
Don't be a faggot. I had PS+ on ps3 and thought it was alright, but even i thought it was horseshit you need it to play online dude. Most people don't give a shit about the game rentals, they just wanna play cock o duty.
>>342888030
Because that was unrelated to the browser rambling, I'm not that guy but I was just pointing out a flaw in your argument IE that the internet isn't considered a utility
>>342888107
No it fucking isn't shitheal
>y'all
First of all, Microsoft was making people pay for online since the original Xbox, and second /v/ used to argue about Xbox live constantly back then.
Thanks for confirming you're a revisionist newfag who doesn't know what the fuck he's talking about
>>342888150
Not really since noone, and I guarantuee you NOONE uses theire yearly online ability everyday.
Me on the other hand use it daily for a month.
>>342888501
So you're the one splitting hairs then.
>>342888424
At least back then when it was an optional fee, you actually got neat first party titles like Infamous and LittleBigPlanet. Now it's just a forced online fee with several free garbage a month that's equivalent of what you'd fine in Greenlight.
>>342888068
That only holds true if plus was for online play only
But it's not and the change only affects children really and let's be honest do you want even more 12 year olds shitting up online play
> Delusional sonygger have to damagecontrol hard to explain their consoles while i'm here on PC playing my games for less money than them and playing online for free
Peasant.
>>342888570
You don't have to use it literally every single day to get a good deal out of it. You're definitely getting a worse deal unless you only play online over less than 1-4 months.
>>342888324
>does it better
How? By releasing games I've already gotten through plus?
>>342888750
>he thinks paid online keeps children from playing online
>what is Xbox live
You're adorable anon.
>>342878292
I wouldn't mind if each game got it's own servers
Instead, it's painfully obvious they're using the ps3 servers
>>342888750
>do you want even more 12 year olds shitting up online play
Online play behind paywalls ironically populates the online scenes with a disproportionate amount of children.
The people who actually suffer from online play behind paywalls the most are students aged 18-25~.
Meanwhile children just get online play from their parents.
>>342888625
Explain how pointing out an inaccuracy in your statement is splitting hairs
>>342888887
>By releasing games I've already gotten through plus?
What are you talking about? Most titles free over XBL are actually quality titles, and obviously I mean games that you don't find in the indie trash bin. And if your membership runs out, you still get to keep the game, unlike with PS+ where you need to renew your subscription for further access to your "free" products.
Not like I'm saying Microsoft is good, you're a fucking plebeian if you're still playing on console in 2016, but as of right now Microsoft's subscription service is much less toxic than Sony's.
>>342889123
What a dumb fucking question.
>>342888830
Well, you got that part where I said "I wait for some months and then buy it again" ?
We can both do the math here and what I tried to say is that buying it (lets say) 3 times a year is still cheaper for me and forces me to play more the months I got it.
But I see your point, so lets agree to disagree
>>342889101
>college students
>literally living off money that isn't theirs through loans and parents
>crying about paying a few cents a day
I buy my games at launch
>B-but FREE GAMES!
But I bought the games at launch years ago.
>B-but discounts!
But I already bought the games at launch.
>B-bu
PS+ is a fucking awful service shut the fuck up.
PS+ has done nothing but give me less money to spend on games. I can afford it just fine, but I still have less money than I would have had without PS+. PS+ is fucking cancer.
YOU
MEAN
I
HAVE
TO
PAY
FOR
STUFF
???
>>342879561
They're doing it because they won this generation, and they know their customers won't switch to Xbox since all games run better on the PS4.
>>342889292
So you can't back up your bullshit and we're just crying "no u"
y'all didn't care when Microsoft did it y'all why the fuck y'all mad at Sony for y'all Xbox did it first y'all
>>342889378
>through loans
>living
>>342889378
That still doesn't exempt the point he made. Online is still brimming with more children than college-aged adults. As a small sample size, when I was playing Destiny for several months, most of the groups you'd find in LFG's were always filled with children.
There's a much larger ratio of kids who have their parents fund them everything than there are college students who have a disposable income and still bother playing video games.
>>342889378
fuck off, retard
>all the fags in here defending anti-consumer business practices
>>342889509
You're asking me how nitpicking an irrelevant inaccuracy in my post is splitting hairs after accusing me of splitting hairs without backing up your own bullshit.
You're a complete fucking dumbass
>>342889528
Sonyggers everyone
>>342889509
Not him, but his point really wasn't on the fcc classification of the internet, so your point was fairly petty, just a technical correction at best.
>>342889378
I've gotta pay 400 a month. And I'm lucky to have it down that low. You dont know shit buddy.
>>342878292
>wah
>wah
>wah
Does this board have a baby fetish or something? All you faggots ever do is complain
>>342889247
2 of this month's games with gold, meat boy and xcom were both already released through plus, meat boy last fall and xcom years ago in like 2013
I'm can't find a list with every single one that was released on both, just some articles about which had the higher value based on the original retail price of the games they released through the programs
>>342890362
Feel free to leave anytime faggola
>>342890537
make me dog fucker
Considering the common tone of people today I can almost wonder how the initial Xbox One ever even flopped in the first place.
Reminder that even though you had to pay to play used games, the initial Xbox One actually had expanded family sharing policies and other cool stuff that later disappeared when they revamped everything in face of the backlash.
But really. If Sony or whoever was to do it today I almost get the feeling people would priase them like no tomorrow.
>>342889891
>what was the reply explaining my reasoning when you said you weren't splitting hairs
>literally replied no u
>>342890492
Xcom doesn't count because that was during the time where PS4 had just barely taken off, and PS+ still had an amazing line-up of worthwhile titles to download for no additional charge.
And considering that in the past couple months, you had access to titles like Killer Instinct (all the year 1 content) and Sunset Overdrive, that's LEAGUES better than what PS+ has offered in over a year.
>>342890626
Then shut the fuck up and stop whining
>>342890914
>these games don't count when you do it because reasons
I'll give you KI and Sunset Overdrive though, 2 entire games that aren't what plus already received
>>342890708
Your reasoning was splitting hairs over a technical inaccuracy that had nothing to do with the point being made. It's been explained to you TWICE now and you're still replying with "hurr literally no u" like the autistic fuckwit you are.
I have a PS4 and don't defend paid online at all. I only play single player games and never give them money for PS+. I still wish they'd give us free online again though. I don't know how anyone can be okay with it. Maybe with the Neo coming out they'll give the old PS4 free online or something.
