Which Kirby is best Kirby /v/?
Crystal Shards.
borb
>>342868035
Kirby is the best Kirby
Super Star Ultra.
I want my color changing Kirby back.
Air Ride
Borb Super Star Ultra
>>342868035
Super Star (not Ultra, original art and sound are way better than the terrible DS remaster, though the extra content is neat)
Dead kirby
>>342868035
Sword Kirby
Super star on the snes
Jobber borb
>>342868035
You mean the character himself, how he is presented, how he behaves, reacts, moves, looks, and emotes? His general style and personality presented through the games's cutscenes, his sound effects, his animations, his design, his expressions, his actions, his poses, how he is presented?
Super Star > Adventure > KDL2 > KDL3 > Super Star Stacker > Star Stacker > Air Ride > K64 > Super Star Ultra > KDL > KTD > KRtDL > KatAM > KPR > Squeak Squad > Epic Yarn > KNiDL > Mass Attack > Anime
Poyo!
dont know , but this guys can be cute as hell sometimes
>>342868035
Amazing Mirror
>>342871187
King Dedede
KDL3 > K64 > Super Star Ultra > Super Star > Adventure = KNiDL > KDL2 > KDL > Super Star Stacker > KTD > Air Ride > Mass Attack > Anime > Star Stacker > Epic Yarn > KRtDL > Epic Yarn > KPR > Squeak Squad
>>342871187
>Anime Kirby last
I couldn't bother to go through your whole ranking to agree or disagree, but you definitely got this right, Anime Kirby was a fucking mistake
>>342871945
Meta Knight
Super Star > Super Star Ultra > KNiDL > Adventure > Super Star Stacker > Air Ride >>> KatAM > KPR > KRtDL > Epic Yarn > Anime >>> Squeak Squad
>>342872071
>Anime Kirby was a fucking mistake
Euurrrr... Kinda agree, Kinda dont. I will admit it was annoying seeing Kirby as some kinda boring child like character until he got a copy ability. But he wasn't awful.TIFF WAS THE AWFUL ONE
What exactly was Meta Knight trying to accomplish in Revenge of MK?
>>342868035
What does the Kirby button do?
>>342871802
Is he a paraplegic?
>>342872910
Hostile take over, his intentions may have been what he percieved to be good, but he was thirsty for more power and control. He wants to whip lazy, soft, sleepy Dream Land into a land of strength, honor, and fierceness, and he wants to be the best of them all, and for everyone to know his strength. He's a major egoist like Dedede, but he's much more of a megalomaniac and schitzo.
>never even made it to Dedede's castle
>>342873560
>He Sees Nightmare, Dark Matter and other abominations try take over dreamland.
>"I shall turn our defenseless land into a place of war and create an outer heaven for-
>Kirby fucks it up.
>"... Nevermind."
>Not even a fucking day later a giant NOVA is on its way to crash into Popstar
>"THIS IS WHAT I WAS FUCKING TALKING ABOUT!"
>>342873920
>>Not even a fucking day later a giant NOVA is on its way to crash into Popstar
I'm pretty sure it was trying to break up the sun and moon from fighting, to fullfill Kirby's wish. Marx was a serious threat to Dream Land, but he wasn't more dangerous and destructive than the Meta-Knights in my opinion.
>>342872071
Kirby was always a retarded faggot until he got a power, in both games and anime.
Beside the backstory was good.
>>342868035
I'm a big fan of his older designs, so I'm mixed between Kirby's Adventure, Super Star & Dream Land 3.
>>342874559
Kirby didn't get a chance to ask for a wish, and in that case why would Kirby attack NOVA
Marx wishes to control popstar and it agrees then goes right to it to do the job, the sun and moon put aside their differences to protect pop star while Kirby goes inside NOVA, its kinda obvious IMO
>>342874861
>22th
Adorable.
>>342871187
Why the fuck is Ultra below Super Star?
>>342874861
>Kirby is slowly reaching the point of perfect roundness.
>>342875195
Because his look, his expressions, and his animations were made less comical, less dynamic, and more cutesy, and the cutscenes look like garbage in SSU.
>>342874772
There's a difference between naive and carefree and a literal baby who can't do anything on his own, the point of Kirby is that most of the time he can get through everything WITHOUT any abilities.
In the games he's always acting independently, he's shown living a life, fishing, resting, doing shit, in the anime he needs to be babysat and is useless until Tiff cries enough
>oh no someone's attacking Dream Land
>Kirby beats up half of the planet and teaches them a lesson, all on his own
>Oh no Dedede summoned another monstah to clobber kirbeh
>Kirby gets his ass beat until Tiff calls the warp star and he gets a power
>>342875568
>>342875568
Hey there cutie <3
>>342875568
>>342874881
You're probably mostly right, but why would NOVA destroy something he promised someone control over? More likely he was going to use magic to make everyone obey Marx or make them too weak to rebel or something, or maybe just stick around and be Marx's henchman to make sure things go over well. His reason to go up to Pop Star is unclear.
>>342875859
WADDLEDOOIS THE CUTEST
>>342874772
Wrong on two counts.
>>342876136
What was wrong with the back story then
>>342875769
>>342876194
it was just kinda retarded is all, star warrior shit is ao cliche
>Just a chill guy who is one with the Tao so he makes for a good hero, can copy enemies because he's disciplined
>A disgruntled warrior who leads his own order of knights
vs
>super powerful legendary baby who is destined to be the best at everything because of legends and magic
>an older one that isnt as good i guess
>>342868035
AMERICAN KIRBY
Post your personal favorite Kirby song
http://youtu.be/PWpPZFvoe-I
>>342868035
Just finished Robobot, it's alright. It's the first Kirby I've played since Crystal Shards on the 64. I've been jonesing for some more Kirby.
Maybe it's just me, but Nintendo IP's on the 3DS seem sorta hollow. Been meaning to do it for ages so I just bought Super Star Saga for SNES on ebay.
>>342877467
Delete this post.
>>342878303
http://youtu.be/u_OeAJZIDsU
>>342878409
I hate this meme. Stop posting these
>>342878409
He doesn't even have anything indicating what the song really is fuck this guy
Don't mind me, i'm just posting the 4th best Swordsman
>>342878409
>>342878628
>>342878782
Never mind this shit is good. I love this guy
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ZPN8xb0aQ0M
whats borb
>>342868186
This desu
>>342878946
>4th
>>342878628
You don't like Kirby music?
http://youtu.be/L2yx4c2jNRo
http://youtu.be/_bipEgwAqF4
>>342868310
>that bulge
>>342879209
He's right.
>Kirby > Dark Matter > Meta Knight > Dark Mattet Clone
AAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAI feel kirby was more expressive in the older games. I adore how expressive he is in super star and crystal shards.
>>342879494
based anon
>>342879534
I blame the anime for making him more blank and boring. Also his face is a lot bigger on his body now, less room for expression
https://m.youtube.com/watch?v=3i3Wtd8GFbQ
>>342879534
There's somethings lost when going to 3D but i still think he's expressive, just not as over the top in one frame like on sprites
On the flip side I feel bosses have never been more expressive and lively before. Even background characters like Taranza move around expressively, and what was floating polygons in 64 is actually cool in PR
>>342880323
i think a bigger face means more expression
>>342880830
I don't think 3d was the case, just look at this gif. I know it's a simple idle animation but still. Really not sure, I feel like he is just less expressive in some more recent entries.
>>342881515
Heres a better example, his expressions are great here. This actually one of my favorite scenes in the entire series, its too cute.
>>342881082
Apparently it doesn't.
>>342880323
Man, I always preferred Adventure but I never noticed how much of a difference there really was. Level 8/Fountain of Dreams especially is fucking dull as hell in NiDL.
>Doesn't walk away from the title & boarder
>Kirby lacks any expression when Dedede begs him not to do it
>Fountain of Dreams doesn't lighten up looking restored before Nightmare pops out
The only positive out of the remake (at least when it comes to level intros) I think was the additional pirate hat in Orange Ocean & obviously overall more colors.
>>342881515
He's still got idle animations, he'll scout out the environment, curious as to what's ahead, or stretch and yawn after a long journey
>>342881896
While not as obvious, I really enjoyed Kirby's expression on PR's ending cutscene as he looks out towards MK, he has this moment where he's taken aback from admiration before waving happily, its small but such a nice touch for their otherwise unexplored relationship
>>342882675
Adventure is better from a gameplay perspective. In NiDL the sprites are bigger and the levels are smaller due to the screen. Also the tight physics of adventure were made more floaty. Also a lot of little details were lost, such as the examples you gave.
Also adventure looks more aesthetically pleasing, that's more my opinion though.
>tfw no new game with helpers
>tfw no Starman helper
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=PlMi0nq3fCs
>>342884392
But high jump is a stupid shitty ability my man.
>>342884852
You're just bad at using it man.
I fucking hate Tripple Deluxe
and Return to Dreamland
>>342886014
Planet robobot is really good, much better then both of those. I wouldn't say hate but those definitely aren't close to my favorites.
>>342886014
Why? And have you played Robobot yet? It's the best of the Kumazaki trilogy most would agree on.
>>342886014
Yeah, TD and Robo are pretty mediocre T B H
>>342886518
>Sakurai has no real pattern
>Shimomura is =D Kirby
>Kumazaki is ANGRY EYEBROWS
Whaddaya know
>>342886913
It makes sense since Shimomura's games are more comfy while Kumazaki's are more action-y.
Is the Waddle Dee amiibo ever going to do anything?
>>342887468
The Wii U is dead weight. Seriously, if you haven't jumped ship yet you have no one to blame but yourself.
>about to say keeby is the best kirby
>go to get image of yellow kirby
>see this
what the fuck
>>342887468
Only thing to do is wait and see what NX will even do with them. Feel free to not buy anything until Nintendo decides to say anything about what they're doing at all.
>>342887671
I have mine softmodded ;3
>>342887767
I remember the tumblr artist ones. I think he had a whole blog that was filled with Keeby x Red Kirby shit.
>>342887767
Never google image search Kirby things, use pixiv/rainbow resort for fan art and the wikis/rainbow resort for official art.
>>342886014
RtDL is one of the best you faggot
>>342889178
It's the most boring one, like an easier, less original, more lazily designed KA. Backgrounds are pretty and challenge rooms are fun at least, and it's kinda okay with friends but you're better off playing Air Ride, KSS, or even KDL3
>>342889576
>air ride
apples to oranges
>>342873036
AND I KNOW WHY
>>342889634
One is a universally better multiplayer experience than the other. This apple is okay but kinda bland and underripe, give me that big juicy orange.
>>342887767
Despite what people say, Google is NOT your friend.
>>342880323
the next kirby game should be new kirby working with old nes kirby
>>342893298
It should be a Kirby RPG
>>342889576
should have tried hardmode
if you don't like rtdl, you don't like kirby
>>342893862
nah think sonic generations except with kirby and its not a piece of shit
>>342894402
You didn't like Generations? I mean it's fine if you don't, but it's easily one of the Sonic series stronger titles as of late.
But first a little test. Off to Grape Gardens!
>>342894564
i just meant it being a sonic game. take that game but kirby theme the shit out of it
>>342886518
The Hypernova sections in TD got boring really quickly to the point where I started to lothe these sections.
Because Kirby's inhale animation takes a really long time to play in its entiraty it becomes a chore to get through on your 2nd playthrough if you're trying to collect all the Sun Stones and Keychains.
>>342895342
I admit those sections were slow and sometimes tedious but it was still cute and satisfying to wield that sort of suction power.
>>342874861
>Superstar Kirby
kek
Classic Kirby = Joseph Joestar
Recent Kirby = Gappy
Think about it
They're both great but fit different stories/moods and have their ups and downs and different kinds of goofy, and one tends to have a bit of a recurring blank expression
>>342887468
I sure hope so. If they ditch the amiibo craze without Waddle Dee appearing in at least ONE major game, I'm likely going to be salty...
>>342880830
>What was floating polygons in 64 is actually cool in Planet Robobot.
I beg to differ.
The Pix fight is strange and awesome, but the Holo Defense API is an uninspired copy/paste fight.
>>342899215
Pix is the closest Kirby has to a puzzle boss. It was a big change of pace to relatively simpler suck, dodge, spit standard bosses
Stack rank all the KSS "games"
anyone know where can I buy one of those vibrating kirbys i keep seeing
>>342899843
Meta Knight's Revenge > The Great Cave Offensive > The Arena > Gourmet Race > Dyna Blade > Milky Way Wishes > Spring Breeze
Samurai Kirby > Megaton Punch
>>342874861
Same here, anon. KDL3 will forever be my favorite design despite Crystal Shards being my favorite Kirby game, and the only game plugged on my N64. There's something about the coloring he has in that game that just gives him a very nice charm...
amazing mirror and there should be a sequel
>>342899843
Revenge of Meta Knight > Milky way wishes = Great cave offensive = Dynablade > Gourmet race > spring breeze
If we count KSSU ones then Revenge of the king is tied with Revenge of Meta Knight and Meta Knightmare returns is above Dynablade.
That's nice, but can we all take a moment to pray to our lord and savior Sir Meta Knight?
I feel like Kirby's official art always gets some details wrong, like they're based on the sprites without the designer's input. For the 2D games anyway.
Like how sparky's hands are his eyes and his eyes are nostrils in KA, how Meta Knight is missing his shoulder spikes in KA, how Chilly has nub arms instead of ball hands in KA, or how Ado looks like her sprite and good end drawing instead of instead of how she looks in the intro, credits, and boss butch in DL3. Anyone else notice that?
I want wandering encounters, like in Dyna Blade. It'd make the world maps a little more interactive
European /Japanese. The American Kirby is so angry because people want to steal his freedom or something.
>>342901597
You mean ala Shovel Knight/SMB3 where stuff like bonuses and rivals would appear on the map as you progress?
That... doesn't sound bad. I wouldn't mind a Kirby game with world maps like that.
>>342900771
And for the remake
Meta Knight's Revenge > The Great Cave Offensive > Revenge of the King > The Arena > Gourmet Race > The True Arena > Dyna Blade > Milky Way Wishes > Spring Breeze > Helper to Hero > Meta Knightmare Ultra
Samurai Kirby > Megaton Punch > Kirby on the Draw > Kirby Card Swip > Snack Tracks
>>342876036
It could also be that wishes granted by novas have ironic twists. Like, Marx gets to control Pop Star, but Pop Star is going to be destroyed by colliding with that nova,or in Planet Robobot, where Haltmann reactivated Star Dream to wish for Susie back, but then somehow forgot about her
>>342902356
It's a narrative constant that wishes never come without a price. NOVA was already damaged at the start, too
>>342902707
>Implying Meta Knight isn't a better candidate
He was willing to fight all of Dreamland to stop them from being so damn lazy.
>>342902356
You mean a monkey paw effect. That isn't really how it works, they grant the wish in an ironic way (like wish to be a powerful leader and you are sent through time to become Hitler, wish for all the books in the world and they crush you, or wish to jump really well and you become a frog) not tack random unrelated shit on to make the wish suck. I don't think NOVA does that anyway, he seems a direct wish granter.
Star Dream couldn't actually grant wishesbecause none of his parts were properly installed, he couldn't generate or gather magic as NOVA did with his tweezers, globe, pendulum, etc
>>342903009
>NOVA was already damaged at the start, too
No he wasn't, only in Meta Knightmare Ultra after Kirby slammed through his head and blew him up.
>>342903009
I think Nova's broken part is just meant to be a sign of how ancient he is, rather than him being defective or something. He's even more broken in Ultra after he puts himself back together but still grants Meta Knight's wish just fine.
>>342903763
See image, his clockwork is showing.
>>342903271
Meta Knight does not understand wu wei. King Dedede does, and everyone accepts him as their leader.
Who 100% clear Robobot here?
>>342903881
I think it's there by design, not a broken part
It contours with his eye and shooting star smoothly, the gear within and his eyes are intact. Compare to how he looks in Meta Knightmare Ultra.
>>342903883
I'm reminded of Discworld's king of Lancre, who only rules as long as the people know he's not meddling in their lives
>>342903929
I did it after like a day of non-stop play. The game was real fun.
>>342903881
I've always liked how wonky and junk-cluttered NOVA is. It conveys the feeling that all of it is necessary, somehow, but you'll never know exactly why
>>342904031
Then why isStar Dreampristine?
>>342903763
>>342903881
>>342904031
IT WAS THERE BY DESIGN
SO KIRBY COULD GET INSIDE
Daily reminder you will never save her
>>342904734
>>342904529
I suspect that the original NOVA went through tons of slipshod repairs, being so ancient. The Lor is just as pristine
>>342904529
He's incomplete, as well as streamlined in designed by a company ran by an idiot.
>>342904031
its probably very old, not necessarily broken but definitely worn down, everything is cluttered on top of it, his eyes are droopy by default, in contrast to something like >>342904529 which is a brand new exterior in a sense and probably based on the original design.
I don't really see what else exposed cogs could signify to be honest, so its not like PR reconnected it into being old and worn down by comparison alone
>>342904895
Magolor fixed up the Lor and upgraded it (probably weapons for the most part), it probably didn't even run before he fixed it
>>342904632
So you can clearly see it's mechanical, is the oou reason.
>>342904734
Duh, I'm the one who killed her, and so are all of you.
>>342905262
Eh I just don't buy it. Nova probably looked "cluttered" by default, all of those parts must do something magical.
>>342904734
...or him.
Christ. What's with all these tragic villains we've been getting lately?
>>342874861
He's just getting pinker.
>>342874861
I miss his red shoes.
>>342905193
Star Dream itself probably designed it, we see they clearly left most of the development in charge of the mother computer (Robots, Clones, Mecha Knight). It naturally accommodated for its intended look and function, why else would it conveniently be able to plug in and expose a NOVA face, not to mention summoning the various objects which are apparently really important, or the Core using the same sort of defense as NOVA's core
>>342905482
As I say above the objects are still really important to it, it just started carrying them around after a while, maybe they broke, maybe its too much effort to summon them or keep them organized. Its the kind of cluttered that tells years of age and loss of care, I don't think it detracts form his aesthetic anyways, gives him attitude from its age as supposed to just being made like that. there's making things out of whatever you find around and having it cluttered, then there's well planned wish granting doodads cluttered around the universe with mechanisms in place to summon them, you probably make those pristine at first
>>342904529
Well,Novais only seen at the core ofStar Dream,after you break much of it apart. It's probably been taken by Haltmann, repaired and put inside for its power.
That's what I think, unless I've missed some lore somewhere.
>>342868035
All of them are the best! Kirby is cute!
>>342905969
>you probably make those pristine at first
Nah, I imagine Nova was invented by some Hephaestus type clockmaker entity, not a team of scientists or a company who would design it to look like Star Dream. Not too preoccupied in making ot sleek or pretty, it was designed to actually work and give an air of mystique.
my favorite ability is suplex
>Star Dream Nova's internal name is "nyan"
Oh HAL
>>342906660
The gears are out of place. You're not supposed to see the internal workings, whether it was designed to be "sleek" or not. But it's old and the facade is obviously not important to its function, so now that part is missing.
>>342906660
Even then I doubt they intended to have exposed machinery and a broken panel, if a clockmaker wanted to expose that shit they'd install a window
What gives NOVA's mystique and intrigue is that it IS old and broken, just looking at it says its got a lot of history and there's wonder of what any of that shit is for and how it got there or why. Star Dream gives us a look at what it might've looked like original but we could've guessed as much, and there's still a lot of wonder as to who made it or why, and how NOVA got to its own state
If they'd made it intentionally broken then all mystique is gone, why is it look this wya? oh because they made it so, nothing more. That's boring
You keep just barely missing the real picture, Star Dream itself is modernized, but the True Arena version is more like what NOVA originally was, just have not-special ring on top and remove the half planet attached to it. It still screams of some specific design, its a literal comet, a star you wish upon, a sun, and they gave it a fantastical motif and a lovable friendly face that's borderline creepy in its attempt to be comfortable.
>>342907389
I still disagree, but I had fun reading your opinion.
So what's /v/'s explanation for the state Star Dream is in during Meta Knightmare? The slash on Soul OS indicates that mode is canon, which is consistent with KSSU and TD.
I think it had Meta Knight and Galacta Knight battle to observe and probably take control of/assimilate the strongest being it could, but Galacta Knight attacked it and put a stop to that plan. Maybe it was able to put the Ark back together around itself, but in an unpowered state, and needed a power source? Then somehow it was able to revive itself as Soul OS.
>>342907389
>a lovable friendly face that's borderline creepy in its attempt to be comfortable.
"So how do we make sure our immense, bizarre, all-powerful clockwork star doesn't get attacked on sight?"
"Everyone likes cats. Just put a cat face on it."
I've thought about this for long; and came to the conclusion that KDL & 2 are the best Kirby games. Being a game about dodging enemy fire and returning their leftovers is much more exciting than giving the sword 20 moves. They're just too slow to really be good games. Newer Kirby games have a lot of shine, but no substance. And I 100%'d TD and PR
>>342904734
>>342905658
How would you write a "happy" ending for them?
>Sectonia: Her original body is buried within the Dreamstalk. Joining forces with Taranza, you fight your way down and to tear her from its center. She awakens with no recollection of the Dimension Mirror or anything that happened during the events of TD. The duo leaves on relatively good terms with Kirby, with Sectonia being none the wiser.
>Haltmann: Bonus stage involves entering Star Dream's mainframe al a Tron and destroying it from the inside. Haltmann's soul is partitioned, salvaged and ultimately spared with Kirby prior to the destruction of Access Ark. He reconciles with his memories and reunites with Susie, the two stay behind on Popstar to help make amends with its natives.
>>342871187
>>342872071
>tfw squeak squad was the only kirby game i played and got 100% completion
>>342908840
Fair points, I guess I do replay KDL more than any other Kirby game, but I think Super Star's movesets are cool. Not necessary or the be-all-and-end-all of Kirby, but still fun. They make them a little too bloated in the latest games I guess, and they all lose distinctness because of it. If anything make them smaller and tighter, not bigger and more viable.
KDL3 and KSS are still my favories though.
>>342907920
The canonicity of the extra modes gets weird because of the content reuse, but I think they can sorta work if you ignore some the inconsistencies or oddities
After the main game Access Ark comes back, doesn't necessarily re-mechanize everything and Susie or Haltmann aren't back, but MK does go face it while Kirby naps, and faces off against its gauntlet. Afterwards it picks itself back up and threatens Pop Star again by going Soul OS, so MK gets Kirby and the Halberd up.
There might also be considerations to be made regarding the portals, in that one level of access ark you're basically transported to a virtual dimension through these portals (which almost looks like a replicate Another Dimension), so all of MKR could comfortably take place in simulations set up by Star Dream inside Access Ark, same for the True Arena, bar the last battle
>>342908840
I don't understand how someone could 100% a game like Robobot and declare it has no "substance." If what you meant to say is, it's not the same substance as my favorite games KDL 1 & 2, that would make sense.
>>342909076
Sectonia's reborn as a little bee princess/plant from that soul petal, with no memories of her previous life
Haltmann is beyond saving, but if Suzy reformed then that's at least slight redemption for him.
>>342909405
it never evolves. Level 1 is the same difficulty as the last boss
>>342872071
>not liking the adorable baby-like Kirby
Garbage taste
>>342909562
That's absurd hyperbole. The game's difficulty relative to its older sequels is no different from that of any comparable long-running platformer series -- Sonic and Mario being good comparisons. As for environments mechanics etc., it certainly diversified more over the course of its world than any of the first generations of Kirby games, which are, as you said, start to finish "avoid attack, spit star at enemy."
>>342909562
>Level 1 is the same difficulty as the final boss
How
>it never evolves
Same thing can be said for every other Kirby game in existence, especially DL and DL2. You could just admit that you have a nostalgic boner for those games and your opinion could be justified, but you're not making sense whatsoever.
>>342909076
If Sectonia would come back, I'd make it so she would have her memories of right before her transformation.
Only some time after her rebirth she became blind and wouldnt be able to see herself or judge her looks ever again.
And then Taranza appears with shocked, teary and happy expressions, as she is alive again and then he says some cheesy line about inner beauty and then he takes her and they live happily ever after.Then cue cute scenes of him holding her hand and guiding her through the world that she will never see again
>>342909562
Factually wrong, your opinions and preferences aren't the end all. You're not making any insightful critique with such a vague statement that could apply to something like Dream Land just as well, in what sense does it evolve? Dedede is still suck star spit star back, and he's not particularity harder to doge or require any new techniques to do so. In fact, DL spent most of its last boss retreading old bosses, how is that an evolution? And if we're talking Robobot's complete change of genre over the final boss, DL2 falls for the same trick
Current games evolve just as much as previous ones, even if you have no difficulty on the last boss or world its still more difficult, the stakes and dangers are ramped up as the games progress and bosses become more menacing and dangerous, the game basically ends in a OHKO ffs
>>342910091
>nostalgia boogeyman
Nice projection shitlord
>>342910018
>lets compare it to these two OTHER games
This is why no one takes video games seriously.
>>342910285
>your opinions aren't the end all
What did she meme by this?
>>342909495
>Haltmann is beyond saving
I wouldn't say that. Boss description implies his will was the only thing keeping it from going full psycho in the rematch, followed by a personal lament where he regrets reactivating it in the first place.
>>342910429
>>342910491
Anon did you miss the real last description?Its right after you destroy all the pillars with his screams, he's gone and you helped that
>it's a miss a collectible at the very end and have to do the whole thing from the start again level
>>342910491
He made his bed then lied in it. It's sad, but it's the end of his story, hopefully.
>>342910429
You have your back turned against a wall and this is how you reply.
Just gonna not reply to you anymore, I like my Kirby threads comfy and free from shitposters.
>>342910429
how about you come over here and suck my ballsack
>>342910773
Not an argument
>>342910662
>That one cube in the forth world
The only where you had to use the Sword Roboarmor holy shit fuck that one.
>>342910662
RTDL can fuck itself for doing that shit.
>>342910797
We'll get back to arguing when you give us a real argument back, its all shit flinging now and you started it
>>342910909
>this isn't a real argument therefore I'm aloud to shitpost
Not an argument and wrong.
>>342910909
Stop responding to him.
>>342910149
>sectonia goes blind as her redemption
That's a pretty cute idea.
>>342910617
Of note though, it just says his soul has vanished, while his memories have specifically been deleted. Considering the concept of "souls" in Kirby universe, you could interpret that as saying his soul has gone away someplace and isn't influencing Star Dream, not that it's also been deleted.
Ok /v/, help me understand this:Why was Haltmann trying to invade Popstar to get his daughter back? And how did he not recognize Susie as his daughter?
>>342910617
Ah, I see. I thought you were referring to his characterization.
Yes, I suppose he's probably gone, then.Unless his memories and personality were backed up elsewhere in the database. It was implied that Haltmann began offloading certain aspects of his character that he felt unnecessary to running the company (hence why he couldn't recognize his own daughter), so who knows?
>>342911134
Driven to madness and only lives for the company. He was so obsessed with Star Dream reviving his daughter that he couldn't see what was right in front of him.
>>342911134
It's not ostensibly explained, but one way to interpret isHaltmann researched and poured resources into Star Dream so it could bring Susie back, but along the way it was slowly assuming control of him and tampering with his own personality and memories. At some point it either brought Susie back, or she came back another way, but by the time she met Haltmann again he was already so far gone that he didn't recognize her. At that point it was Star Dream more than Haltman, going to other planets in search of power.
>>342911134
His greed and anger blinded him.
I just want to know if Susie knew that Haltmann was her father. I'm pretty sure she did, but not 100% sure.
>>342911134
Needed Popstar resources for Star Dream
>>342911317
She calls him Mr. Haltmann. I think she's not aware of her last name, so she wouldn't know that her boss was actually her father.
>>342911054
I don't know man, "even the last trace' seems pretty damming
>>342911134
Pop Star is just one of many planets they invaded, they've targeted other planets in the past, Pop Star was actually really enticing compared to their usual victims, but that's beyond the point
The planet invasions served to gather resources, data and knowledge to feed back into Star Dream and the plans of prosperity, while he originally started pouring all that work into SD to bring her back, his madness probably led him to forget why and focus on prosperity and world ending, as well as not noticing who Susie was. It seems he blocked out the whole ordeal since it was so painful, that one boss description he has to remind himself why he ever activated it int he first place, meaning he long forgot in his madness and obsession
Also Susie was a bit different as a child
>>342911245
I don't buy that he just didn't know who she was, I think he was brainwashed. The second to last description in >>342910617 implies that he's just remembering after a long time why he even wanted Star Dream functional in the first place.
>>342911317
>>342911506
I think she knows, but is understandably upset that he doesn't seem to remember or care who she is. "I just wanted to teach the old man a lesson."
>>342911523
Right, my point is they're saying he's completely gone as in, no trace of him is influencing Star Dream anymore and it's now an emotionless machine. But that doesn't necessarily mean that all traces of him are destroyed, just not part of Star Dream.
>>342911317
>>342911506
I'm sure she knew, it makes sense that she would want to get back at him if she remembered the incident and placed the blame on him and Star Dream. You have to remember Haltmann didn't ever tell anyone about the incident or his daughter, and only ever seemed to care for the project. Its a bit of theatrical irony, in spending so much time trying to bring her back he loses himself and doesn't recognize that she's back, which in turns furthers her away form him as she resents him from seemingly meaning to make her disappear, so she never cares to reveal her identity and ultimately seals his fate with her revenge plan.
>>342911836
That's a massive reach, Haltmann is gone.
>>342911846
Who knows, at this point. I'm guessing the devs on Miiverse will eventually explain it further.
>>342911767
>>342911836
>>342911846
>I just wanted to teach the old man a lesson."
the Japanese texts were actually more along the lines of wanting to "wake him up." Maybe she knew they were losing him to Star Dream?
>>342911992
Concept of a soul is extremely abstract, especially when taken into context of Kirby. It can go either way as far as I see it
>>342911992
I disagree. You're drawing an unreasonably certain conclusion from something that is open to interpretation (until we hear otherwise like >>342912080 says). It doesn't say his soul was deleted or destroyed, it said it vanished. Maybe that means the same thing, maybe it doesn't.
>Why is Star Dream screaming when I hit it's heart's defenses
>Pause
>It's Haltmann
>The next phase says he has been deleted and it's only star dream at that point
>Haltmann lost his daughter building Star Dream
>He killed potentially dozens of planets to continue building Star Dream in the hope of saving her
>In the end she killed him and Star Dream devoured his soul
Fuck thats heavy for a kirby game
I have like five Planet Robobot tracks stuck in my head at the same time. Send help.
>>342912080
Oh they'll definitely explain it further, but I think they did leave gaps so people speculate and make their own version, at least until they expand on it on miiverse
I do like to think my version fits, its classically tragic with a misunderstanding turned deadly due to character faults (Haltmann's being his Dr.Frankenstein levels of obsession)
>>342912379
We will never see him again beyond a stone statue, it would be hokey as fuck if we did. Accept it.
>>342912648
What is it for you?
For me it's
>PROGRAM
>Mind in a Program
>Susie's theme
>Lab theme
>Darkness Returns
>>342912648
Which ones?
>>342912389
I like the subtle themes in the newer games. Zero is a great antagonist and surprise, but there wasn't much to dig for. Sectonia and Haltmann have a wealth of extra information if you look, and even Magolor got some, to an extent
>>342889771
Because you got high?
>>342912389
Are Haltman and Suzie robots or not? Suzie looks like she is but she's got a bit of blush going on. Haltman appears fleshy in his movements but he seems to be the same race as Suzie so it confuses matters.
>>342912870
>there wasn't much to dig for
>he doesn't know
2 deep 4 u
>>342912795
>Repositorum Rhythm
>Mind in a Program
>Vs Haltmann
>Noble Haltmann
>Puzzle Room
>>342912648
Everything starting at Dark Mind in the True Arena is stuck in my head.
The small puzzle room theme is stuck in my head too.
>>342912906
They're completely organic.
>>342912795
>>342912804
Mind in a Program
Star Dream Nova form
Sectonia
Robobot Armor Wheel Version (jazzy as FUCK)
Access Ark map
>>342912906
They probably have some augmentations but they are living beings.
Star Dream even comments on it when he is controlling Haltmann.
I think Susie might have more, because she somehow survived a horrible accident that had everyone thinking she was dead.
>>342912770
He could definitely show up again as some kind of starry phantom and I would be totally unsurprised. He won't come back as nearly the kind of prominent character he was, his arc is over.
>>342912906
I always thought of them as organic machines.
Like pic related.
>>342912906
They're not, people just assumed when the game came out everyone form the enemy side had to be a robot, and I even commented once that she doesn't necessarily have to be, but everyone still threw her into robot fetish threads
There's Star Dream/Haltmann saying "through thsi organic body", there's the fact that there's a biological blood connection, and that in an interview they literally say Suzie is the only non-robot executive under Haltmann
http://nintendoeverything.com/kirby-planet-robobot-director-on-the-story-characters-robobot-armor-and-abilities/
>but all leaders apart from Susie are robots that the company president has selected himself
>>342913160
The accident might've been transdimentional teleportation, since Haltmann prohibited Star Dreams use it. She vanishes without a trace so she may as well be dead but Haltmann has hope maybe she can be brought back, and if Magolor survived Another Dimension after RtDL, Susie can
>>342913382
>The accident might've been transdimentional teleportation, since Haltmann prohibited Star Dreams use it
Yeah, I thought that was pretty obvious. Although that raises the question of how he thought he could get Susie back? Unless the idea was that he needed to perfect Star Dream first, turn into a real wish-granting Nova, so then he could safely wish for her to return.
>>342912228
>"wake him up." Maybe she knew they were losing him to Star Dream?
Mind controlled or not that still fits, he lost himself to Star Dream via his obsession, and Susie tries to give the bastard a wake up call by taking away his life work, teach him a lesson that things like family are more important
>>342913382
Imagine if it worked and Hatlmann wasn't scared of it.
Would he have tried to obtain and contain Galacta Knight?
Would he become Gundam Knight?
>>342913556
>how he thought he could get Susie back?
Well Star Dream did bring back Galacta Knight. Maybe Haltmann was trying to get it to locate Susie by searching Another Dimension
>>342913707
Considering the first thing Galacta Knight upon being summoned was incapacitate Star Dream, I doubt it. Dunno whether that was because of previous experience with Nova (although I kind of thought his re-sealing in KSSU was just sort of a consequence of his being defeated, not that Nova sealed him), or because he knew Star Dream wanted to control him.
Also a detail I just noticed replaying True Arena today, Galacta Knight flies away after his defeat by Kirby, instead of getting sucked back into the void.
>>342913884
It's possible she was found that way since it mentions Susie herself putting in the data for the API's Holo-Doomers
>>342913982
I am thinking it's a reference to how he thrashed about and flew off before the cutscene in SSU.
However Galacta Knight showing up outside of NG+ and True Arena content would be really neat.Galacta Knightmare mode where every enemy is replaced with a miniboss and bosses move at 3x speed.
>>342913982
>Galacta Knight flies away after his defeat by Kirby
Of course he would run away like a bitch nigga.
>>342914418
Meta Knight always does the same, so.
>>342914745
He only runs when his mask gets smashed.
>>342881515
>>342881896
64 Kirby is best Kirby because it's one of the few times he's not acting like a cutesy naive retard
>game starts with him chilling and watching the stars, rather then him chasing a cake around or some shit
>>342914829
At least Galacta Knight doesn't get the cheap shit, his mask is sturdy.
>>342913382
>and I even commented once that she doesn't necessarily have to be, but everyone still threw her into robot fetish threads
Well congrats anon, too bad you weren't posting under a name so you can't collect your free "I was right on the internet" points.
>>342914745
So Borb is a pussy.
Galacta Knight keeps fighting until he is completely defeated.
Something to think about, why did Haltmann's soul merge with Star Dream? Would things have really gone any different had the controller been used properly? I think there might not have been the identity error but Haltmann was still willingly uploading his consciousness in order to control Star Dream, or "activate it" as he says.
It seems to work and follow orders fine regardless, why the controller? so maybe its true potential is harnessed via a mental and spiritual link, which got fudged by the early removal, hence the final description mentioning how it went from near-perfect (partial soul link) back to a cold machine once Haltmann was erased (no soul link at all).
>>342884852
It's a relic from the days when powers were unique instead of being samey SuperStar style clones with
>melee combo
>grab
>charge attack
>weird input up-down move
>special guard
Hi-Jump had a specific purpose and it was very good at that purpose- and if you were good enough, you could use it for whatever you pleased.
I bet you hate Ball too.
>>342915134
Interesting idea. Maybe it needs the extra soul link to make up for the fact that it doesn't have that ancient magical Halcandran clockwork powering it.
>>342886014
>>342886489
>>342886789
All are better than Super Star.
>>342915383
I mainly disliked ball because I kept breaking the floor and dying as a kid.
>>342913296
Plants and animals are organic machines, robots like Quote and Curly are not.
>>342914941
How is it any different? If everything else is "cutesy naive retard" then surely lazing around star gazing is as well, he's usually chilling just as much
TD has him go through a productive day before going to sleep and starting the story, you call fishing cutesy naive retard? Not to mention he's fishing in DL3's start, so its not uncommon for him to do shit other than sleep around or play
>>342915134
He probably activated it previously for test runs, as a responsible R&D worker would, and realized it was completely psychotic, so he extended the project to involve a manual controller in order to keep said psychosis from interfering with its purpose.
But of course if the shareholders knew his Star Dream project had gone nuts it would have been bad for his stocks, so he kept it to himself. And so Suzie didn't know.
>>342915573
then why do they feel the need to reproduce like organic life forms?
>>342915853
There's no reason to make a robot human-like if you're not going to give them sex features. Curly and Quote are probably based on a generic model that's used for everything from soldiers to secretaries to sex workers.
>>342915853
Kinda reminds me of Lilims from Valhalla.
Designed to replicate humanity very closely down to biological functions.
>>342915383
You're talking about the game with two breaths (fire/ice), three weapon swings (sword/hammer/parasol) and three aoe attacks (spark/needle/freeze), all of which are nearly identical bar special environment interactions which are present in current games
>>342916045
but they fuck, so clearly they feel the need to reproduce like living creatures
>>342886518
which trilogy is the best?
>>342916212
>They fuck
Quote was just taking a nap, then a completely innocent bunny decided to cuddle. That is all.
Mimigas are pure
>>342916212
Any inorganic machine could be programmed to do that.
>>342911523
how does one take high res screenshots like that? i've got an emulator but i know nothing about how to use it.
>>342916232
Getting tired of that mentality. Not everything is about being better than the others, they're all good.
>>342903881
I actually would say that Meta Knight's wish isn't granted just fine due to the fact that Meta Knight is victorious, meaning he is the greatest swordsman rather than Galaxia Knight. If his wish would granted perfectly, wouldn't he fight Shadow Meta Knight?
>>342916212
She was thirsty as fuck, man. She went for his dick, he didn't register her as a threat, loading tenderloving.exe, Fuck Status: ENGAGED.
>>342916435
>mimigas are pure
I asked it before, I'll ask it again. What faction would you prefer to be a part of in the Kirby-verse? Training with the Meta-Knights? Serving the perfect king in his castle? Getting paid mad stacks with Haltmann Works Co.? Adventuring with Magolor? Maybe you'd prefer to be part of the Dark Matter hivemind? Or treasure hunting with the Squeaks?
>>342916232
Anything that isn'tyour personal favorite, that shit was trashActually with that said, such a statement in seriousness is almost guaranteed to be aimed at either Shimomura or Kumazaki, it seems Sakurai usually remains untouched while people fight over the other two
>>342916740
I wanna be the waddle dee who is asleep on the front seat of the train in PR.
He looks comfy.
>>342916891
Because Sakurai is, easily, the worst Kirby director
