>go to finally buy console for some exclusives
>see that ps4 costs 15 quid for 3 months or 40 quid for 1 year
What the actualy fuck? Wasnt the ps3 online free? how the fuck are sony getting away with htis shit?
Stop being poor
>>342856070
I don't use it personally. I play FFXIV for my social fix but mostly stay to SP games.
>>342856189
Its not just the price, its the principle
Why the fuck should I pay a permium to sony when they cant even keep thier shitty servers from getting hacked?
Is ps plus at least good? free games might make it worth it.
>>342856746
The games are kinda shit. It used to be better when it wasn't mandatory. Hope you like 2k16 and indie games though.
I think online play on ps3 is still free, yeah its shitty but all the consoles are doing it. but hey some of the games PS+ are ok, I guess. Sometimes.
because sonyggers
>spend years saying psn was superior to xbl because it was free
>now psn is paid and still shittier than xbl
>sonyggers lap it up
>>342856746
dont get ps plus then faggot, stay left behind
>>342856746
Honestly I dont play online games much, do you? There are also some games that dont need to sub like FFXIV
But I still use PS+ to easily be able to back up all of my saves, shareplay with a friend and occasionally get the good games they offer each month, which doesnt happen much anymore of course
Besides its only 20 dollars a yearon cyber monday.
>>342856746
Why? because Microsoft isn't having free online play and Sony is winning the "Console War" so they have no reason to not have PS+. If Nintendo was fucking huge I could see Sony or Microsoft being swayed towards having free online shit.
>>342856746
>its the principle
Then don't do it and fuck off
>>342856070
because their consumers are willing to pay for it, regardless of how scummy it is. They're in the lead sales-wise, so they can get away with quite a bit.
Well maybe you shouldn't live in a Harry Potter book you ass badger.
>>342857134
>>342857328
>actually defending this shit
You fuck off you slimy cucks. I at least want to find out why this is happening and wther its worth it.
>>342856746
>50 USD a year
>1500 USD worth of games a year
>WOOOOOW THIS IS SO FUCKING UNFAIR REEEEEE
Seriously shut the fuck up and quit being a poor manchild. I can guaran-fucking-tee you don't pay for your own internet if you're unironically complaining about 4 USD a month.
>>342856070
>how the fuck are sony getting away with htis shit?
Unregulated industry. False advertising, paying real money for the chance at digital items, paying more for a digital copy tied to a single account than a physical copy.
The government needs to come down hard on the videogame industry, and I'm not talking about censorship.
Sony had an investigation regarding false claims made about the VITA, well it never ended there.
>>342857467
That's what non-Nintendo consoles do now. They charge you to use your own internet.
If you don't like it get a fucking refund like a big boy and stick to whatever the fuck you had before.
>>342857467
It's barely a fraction of one fucking check in an entire year.
It's fucking chump change.
Get a job and stop fucking complaining.
Yes it's fucking worth it if you want "free" games and to able to play online and use all functions of it's subscription.
It's not a whole of money in the real world.
It's not like it's thousands of fucking dollars at once.
>>342857604
>People think this is a valid excuse
Don't own a Lamborghini? What are you, poor?
>>342856070
Sonyggers did like they always do to Sony.
>Drops to their knees.
>Licks the balls
>And suck the dick.
>Be the ones that pay for it.
>>342857758
Yeah cuz a Lambo costs 60 bucks right?
That's how much it costs to play online?
Nice projecting, poorfag.
I got a job last week guys
I worked a single day and made 70 dollars
I spent 45 dollars on this membership to last 365 days. Fuck sony am I right?
>>342856070
>see that ps4 costs 15 quid for 3 months or 40 quid for 1 year
But I don't pay that and it works fine...? Are you getting ransomwared, dude?
>>342856864
Good meme.
>>342856746
>when they cant even keep thier shitty servers from getting hacked?
Let me guess, you think DDOS = Hack?
>>342857543
>Unregulated industry
/thread
And pretty much every major player is guilty of some bullshit.
https://www.ftc.gov/news-events/press-releases/2015/09/xbox-one-promoter-settles-ftc-charges-it-deceived-consumers
>Hey you know how you already pay your internet company to online?
>why don't you pay us just so you can use that Internet on our system
Why are console gamers so retarded?
>>342856070
Because Microsoft did it first.
Following the rival is common in this industry.
>>342857543
> paying real money for the chance at digital items, paying more for a digital copy tied to a single account than a physical copy.
What are you talking about here?
>>342858382
Not him, but Sony has a tendency to get their data compromised every year or so. They just get DDoS'd every fucking month. It's not just Playstation, it's their movies too. Then there's Adam Sandler scamming them to pay for his vacations.
Sony is just really, really fucking bad with security in general.
>>342856864
2k16 is fucking amazing. Though itnis not for casuals or people that lime arcade style of sport games.
PlayStation Plus is literally the best thing to happen to gaming.
The thing is such a deal, it pays for itself within a month usually with really good discounts on games and bretty good free games. I have a ps3, a ps4, and a vita so getting 6 free games a month is not too shabby.
It's what kept me from moving on from gaming, OP. Literally that good.
>beta cucks pay for my bills and subscriptions
feels gud man
>>342858642
Every PC store has great discounts steam Gog etc. and they're free to use.
>>342856070
>tfw you've been sitting on a 1-year card for over a year and still haven't used it because there isn't a single worthwhile plus game so far
>tfw you have SFV but the online is a joke, so there's no point in activating it for actual games
Fuck.
>>342858598
>Not him, but Sony has a tendency to get their data compromised every year or so.
When it comes to playstation there's just literally that one time years ago. Yes it was bad but it doesn't happen fucking all the time. And the only hack regarding to movies is one time deal as well as far as I know.
>They just get DDoS'd every fucking month.
Nah, DDoS has died down a lot for now and it's not as often down as people proclaim it to be. Sometimes people start whining about fucking maintenance downtime as well.
>>342858598
Is this some kind of new meme? I'm genuinely confused about the logic of this post. Sony hasn't been DDoS'd since 2014 and there hasn't been a security breach since the PS3 days.
>>342858642
What are some good ps plus games that i could get right now?
>>342856070
What the fuck is Quid
>>342858857
What he is saying is that p+ users get even better discounts that if you just use the traditional psn discounts.
>>342858857
Are you one of those dumbfucks who think all online is PS+ restricted - including patches and stores?
>>342858857
This
>>342858642
>pay us £5 a month to maybe get some dicsounts!!!
Fucking jews.
>>342856070
That shit is the reason I didn't get a PS4 even though I liked my PS3. I won't let sony cuck me with this.
>>342859000
Nba 2k16.
>>342859232
I dont like sports games
I only played fifa a year ago and didn't like it.
>>342859096
He probably is
Many people think that PS+ restricts shit like demos like xbox live did
>>342859096
Are you one of those dumbfucks who pays for Internet and then pays Sony just to be able to use the Internet connection you already are paying for?
>>342858857
Yeah but you would have to buy an expensive pc and then you'll be that weird guy that uses his computer to play video games.
Plus my friends come over at least once a week to play games and drink (and lately my friend Carlos has been bringing over weed and we've been having really great philosophical discussions I can't believe I never gave it a chance before).
I don't think that'd be possible with a pc unless I bought four pairs of keyboards and mice and then we would only be able to take turns playing Gone Home or any of those boring pc exclusives..
>Japan got Psychobreak as a PS+ game
>America gets Gone Home
SCEA; Being a shit company for over 20 years.
>>342859000
There are none
>>342859426
Are you one of those dumbfucks who has no arguments so you must make up strawman arguments?
>>342859336
>I don't like sport games
Are you a nerd or something?
>>342859371
>b-b-but we can download demos for free!
Who gives a fuck. You still have to pay an extra fee just to be able to play your games online with other people.
>>342859542
>it's totally ok to have to pay Sony/Microsoft just to use the internet connection you are already paying for
Consolecucks, ladies and gentlemen
>>342859502
I'm still playin my FREE Rocket League fa.m
>>342859601
Who are you quoting?
>>342856070
this is why I won't get a PS4 until it's hacked
>>342856070
>buy one piece burning blood
>it says you need ps+ for online
>wait with getting new ps+ subscription till i get good at the game so I don't get my ass kicked online, current ps+ games are shit anyway.
>mfw it completely works without ps+
Any other games that lie about needing ps+ ?
>>342859502
I could've sworn Evil Within was on PS+ already last year but seems like it wasn't.
Most likely coming out in west on PS+ as well in time.
>>342859696
Good strawman, m8
The free games from ps+, are they limited time like a rental or can you play them whenever even if you stop subscribing?
>>342859816
>I can't justify having to pay twice for internet so I will keep saying strawman
>>342859841
They can all be played as long as you have a subscripition
If you leave the service and come back later the games will be reactivated
>>342859841
"limited" but if you renew you can play them again.
Just make a habit of playing the single player games when they come out so it doesn't matter too much when sub runs out.
>>342859180
I'm glad a decent number of PS4 games I'm interested in are also coming to PS3.
>>342859816
I'm just fucking praying the leaked GotY Edtion comes out sooner or later. I don't feel like paying for the DLC again or begging online for Bethesda to give me a working Day One Edition code.
Galak Z was a great game for free on PS+ at least. Had a fucking spiffy Indiebox too.
>>342859937
>>342859938
Literally cucked by Sony again
>>342859696
You seem like an insufferable person who would complain about everything. If it wasn't this then you'd be complaining that you have to pay for internet, electricity, rent, health insurance, etc.
I would literally pay money to never be in the same room as you.
daily reminder that you are now responsible of anything that happens to your account in a sony security breach
>>342859937
>>342859938
Is it retroactive or do you have to get the games when they're available and cant backtrack to get old free titles?
>>342856070
what is an 15 squid?
WAIT, sony ps+ is limited meaning you cant even play that shit offline? Why is xbox plus so good? They got like 7 games this month and they actually give real games
>>342860008
Galakz was shit, it wasnt even a completed game.
>>342860130
It's not retroactive. You have to claim the games each month or it doesn't count.
>>342860130
When they're available.
>>342860008
Overall I've liked the games these past months with the rotten apples mostly being the vita/PS4 games. And Locoroco or whatever fuck it was for PS3 last month, classified as "screensaver" no less.
>>342860069
>If it wasn't this then you'd be complaining that you have to pay for internet, electricity, rent, health insurance, etc.
Hello retard. I bet you would gladly pay Sony an extra monthly fee if they added an electricity service just to power the console on top of your electrical bill.
>>342860169
You can play the "shit" offline
Someone please justify paying for PSN or Xbox live when the money doesn't even go to the developers who host the game servers and add content to the games like MMOs
>>342856746
>principle
What principle, you silly little Anon? It's fucking video games.
>>342856070
I don't mind paying for ps+ because online is so shit on the ps3.
>>342860559
Sony and Microsoft both pay devs to have their games on PS+ to begin with you dumbass.
>>342860716
Paying for nothing
>>342860802
Is it even changed between PS3 and PS4?
>>342860958
You have a weird definition of "nothing"
>>342860364
Eww. Don't reply to me you're gross.
>>342857543
What could it be done to please both finances and customers?
I'd go with
-More strict actions against false advertising
-Stronger quality check
-Cheaper prices for yearly PS+ subscription (50 USD to play online for a year is not really fair)
-Buying a game (rental or digital) is tied to your account so you also have the PC and the last gen version of that game
-No more gimmicks like "Exclusive to Xbox One" *timed exclusive
>>342861124
P2P online play is nothing. It costs them pennies. I don't care about whatever other crap they have; they're paywalling the ability to connect to other players without even playing on their servers.
>>342860958
>get to play games you don't have to purchase as long as you have the service
>get to play games online with other people
>get exclusive discounts and sales for downloadable games
Between the PS3 and PS4 I have benefited many things with PS+.
It's not like it's gonna end anytime soon and I'll just renew it cuz it's not expensive.
I'm not gonna lose my "free" games and I'm always getting games I missed out on for cheap.
>>342861238
>I don't care about the stuff that it gives you, so I'll just say that you pay for nothing
Bravo, anon.
>>342861198
Go back to neogaf. You fucking nigger.
>>342861364
But I don't want that stuff. That stuff's an irrelevance. It's the same jewish tactic going on with that CoD 4 remake.
I don't give a shit about whatever else you're trying to peddle; you're charging me way too much for what I actually want.
>>342861412
Mods! MOOOODS!!!
>>342861049
Yes, very much so. It doesn't take 3 days to download 20gb
Match making is quick
Lag is minimal and connections are pretty solid.
>>342861364
P2P online play doesn't cost anything though
You could do it with a freeware on PC with pirated copies
If they had dedicated servers more often or people who had PS+ would benefit from dedicated servers things would be very different
>>342856070
>how the fuck are sony getting away with htis shit?
Microsoft showed it's A-OK to charge people for online so Sony decided to copy them
>B-B-BUT MICROSOFT'S ONLINE WAS BETTER
It was never better, it was the same exact P2P shit that PS3 had but now you had to pay
>>342861364
WHAT IF I DON'T WANT THE OTHER SHIT.
WHAT IF I JUST WANT ONLINE MULTIPLAYER.
>>342856070
>What the actualy fuck? Wasnt the ps3 online free? how the fuck are sony getting away with htis shit?
because retards like people in this thread will eat whatever shit sony gives them
Fuck microsoft for starting this completely cancerous trend and fuck sony for following them
anyone who defends locking MP games behind a paywall should be shot
>>342858965
there was another hack six months ago
do you live under a rock
>>342859232
He said good, not top of the bell curve casual trash.
>>342861481
You might as well just go back to PC gaming if it bothers you so badly. We've heard it all before; and until the Playstation brand stops reaping a windfall of profits from the charging of online fees, then Sony has no incentive to change, least of all from a handful of people whining about it.
>>342861481
But again, that's irrelevant. That's just you.
If you don't want extra discounts, features, games, whatever. Fine. But don't pretend that the service offers nothing but online.
>>342861680
>P2P online play doesn't cost anything though
The point is that he claims that you "pay for nothing" with PS+ which is just wrong because he, personally, doesn't "want" anything else.
>>342861732
That's your problem familio.
>>342861824
>anyone who defends locking MP games behind a paywall should be shot
It's acceptable if you actually provide dedicated servers.
>>342861828
No there wasn't.
>>342861939
but who does in this day and age
>>342861859
>nba2k16
>casual trash
Hahahahahah. Nigger that shit aint nba jam. I would destroy your ass with the fucking knicks.
>>342861828
The closest to hack in January I can find is "PSN is down"
>>342861931
So then, you are fine with this sort of thing?
Can you even imagine how much sony where fucking kicking themselves over all those years of free online with the ps3 when they saw MS making bank off their faggy online? I bet the very first thing they discussed with the ps4 was paid online.
Because it keeps the console itself cheaper. The paying for online subsidizes the low cost of the hardware (and the online infrastructure). That's fine for me because I never play online, so multiplayer fools are paying for my cheaper console.
>>342862219
Why am I supposed to be against CoD remaster?
Because it's with Infinite Warfare?
>>342861931
you're so fucking stupid it hurts.
the issue isn't that service is just online, the issue is that it includes online. Online shouldn't have to be connected to the ps+ deals, it should be independent from that and free besides.
discounts, free games and all the other bullshit is fine, putting online play in with it, essentialy charging people to play games they've already bought, is not fine
>>342862373
Because you can't buy it standalone, yeah.
Assume for a moment you at least care about CoD 4.
>>342856070
Kikes will charge you to breathe when you're eager to pay for anything.
Welcome to the millennial generation.
>>342862340
Bullshit. The hardware would have been $400 with or without paid online. It's sold at a gain, not a loss like PS3. They knew they could get away with it and start charging for online play, so they did. That's all there is to it.
>>342862340
>The paying for online subsidizes the low cost of the hardware (and the online infrastructure).
But the console is already roughly break even price, for pretty much the first time in console gaming since the Atari days. It's the game sale royalty that makes Sony the money.
this thread is everything what's wrong with the current vidya consumer base
>>342862435
>you're so fucking stupid it hurts.
Right back at you since the whole argument was that YOU PAY FOR NOTHING BECAUSE P2P ONLINE COSTS NOTHING (=You supposedly get NOTHING but online with PS+) and not
>the issue isn't that service is just online, the issue is that it includes online.
>>342862654
This is false, Tons of Sony servers are P2P and you still pay for them
almost every game on PC has dedicated servers including every steam game and game hosted with steam and its FREE
Stop this dumb meme that "its free because your servers are garbage and are P2P" because you don't know fuckall
>>342861939
There are tons of other platforms that provide dedicated servers and are FREE
>>342862592
This. I think I'm starting to see why everyone thinks gamers are entitled losers.
>>342862707
>all my strawmen are the same person
>>342862471
In this case you're talking about a separate game bundled with another game (literally paying for 59 dollars extra if you don't care about IW)
PS+ is a service that has multiple benefits bundled with it - it's just not comparable
>>342862901
>entitled
to what, using their own property?
>>342863030
>PS+ is a service that has multiple benefits
Paying for free games is not free
>>342863030
It's exactly the same shit.
To get to the thing I actually want, I need to pay additional money for things that I don't want. It's completely scummy.
>>342861931
>If you don't want extra discounts, features, games, whatever. Fine. But don't pretend that the service offers nothing but online.
If that other bullshit was really worth the price tag they would have just made online play free since the bonuses would be appealing enough themselves.
All PS+ does is sell you online play under the guise of giving you a load of crap you didn't want in the first place.
>>342863070
Yeah. It's like a person buying a brand new tv and then being angry that cable isn't free.
It's something that's not necessary that just supplements your purchase. If you wanna pay a little extra to get extra, fine. If you don't, you don't no one is forcing you.
>>342862785
Are you illiterate? Like, seriously? Do I need to repeat myself for the hundreth time?
The original argument was and still is by the original guy that you supposedly pay for nothing with PS+ because of P2P servers AND BECAUSE HE DOESN'T CARE ABOUT ANYTHING ELSE THAT PS+ GIVES
While my argument is that IT'S YOUR FUCKING PROBLEM IF YOU DON'T WANT """FREE""" GAMES, EXTRA DISCOUNTS, CLOUD SHIT AND WHATEVER ELSE PS+ PROVIDES.
Do you follow me now? This has FUCKALL to do with dedicated servers and whatnot you're pushing.
>pay the absolute worst return for your dollar
>complain about it
WOWWW HOW WAS I SUPPOSED TO KNOW YOU COULD PAY 50 BUCKS FOR A YEAR AS OPPOSED TO 10 BUCKS A MONTH?!
By not being a spoonfed bitch on /v/
>ps3 era
>shit on microsoft for charging to play online
>ps4 era
>stop supporting sony
It disgusts me to see so many sony fags that i use to side with become cucks
>>342863374
It's more like having to pay a rental fee to use the HDMI port.
>>342863323
>If that other bullshit was really worth the price tag they would have just made online play free since the bonuses would be appealing enough themselves.
Are you dumb? It's worth the price tag but tying online to it is LITERALLY FREE EXTRA MONEY to get more people and even bigger enticement to subscribe.
>All PS+ does is sell you online play under the guise of giving you a load of crap you didn't want in the first place.
That's your opinion, not a fact.
>>342863323
>I don't want extra discounts on games along with a few extra things like betas
I know you pirate everything, but don't act like it's totally worthless for those who don't
>>342856070
You wanna know the best part anon? PSN goes down almost all the time and its download speeds & networking hasn't improved at all!
>>342863740
Good meme
>>342863685
>Are you dumb?
No, I don't pay twice just to be able to use my internet
>>342863551
>ps3 era
>shit on microsoft for charging to play online
Literally no one did this only falseflaggers. The only legit complain I had with manditory paid online on xbox is that you couldn't watch Netflix.
>>342863808
What meme? Not only does the PS4 somehow not have 5GHz, but they limit your download speed. If I have 1gb internet it shouldn't take 2 hours to download a 40gb game.
>>342863815
What is it with you people and stupid fucking strawmen?
>people think it's fine to charge people just to play some online mode in a fighting/sports/shooter game that should be for free and that YOU ARE ALREADY PAYED when buying the freaking game
Please. A game like FF14? Sure. Not every other shit.
Getting free games is worth? Great for you. Great that you need to have like 6 games a month that will probably never like or play and how you will lose them later when you stop paying the service.
I prefer saving that money(and it will be tons of it after a couple of years) and pay for what I want, take advantage of the sales and that's it.
>>342863685
>That's your opinion, not a fact.
Well I think everyone agrees that getting discounts ,themes, avatars and free indie games is something nobody gave a shit ever but it comes with the price of PS+
The only time that came in handy was when PS+ subscribers had some extra money off the Bloodborne DLC
>>342856070
>The only thing you're actually paying for is the VOIP service.
>people defending this shit
Yeah, I too enjoy coughing up 20 bux every other month or so when I feel like playing one game for maybe a weekend.
>>342863808
The download speeds are a fucking embarrassment anon.
>>342856864
>The games are kinda shit
Rocket league
helldivers
Ground zeroes
Grow home
ect
OK.....
>>342863995
You do realise that many MMOs including FF14 are playable without PS+, right?
>>342864029
>Well I think everyone agrees that getting discounts ,themes, avatars and free indie games is something nobody gave a shit ever but it comes with the price of PS+
So literally why did anyone buy PS+ on PS3 or Vita if they never wanted those things?
You're fucking dumb if you genuinely believe that people don't give a shit about those things.
so is playstation plus required for any and all online connectivity on ps4?
most importantly, can i download game updates and patches without it?
and can i get download game demos without it?
I cannot fucking believe there are people defending this.
You are a bunch of brand whores willing sucking cock and ripping yourself off for no reason. What the fuck happened to you people?
>>342864348
For your sake I hope you're pretending to be dumb
>>342864292
>So literally why did anyone buy PS+ on PS3 or Vita if they never wanted those things?
PS+ didn't matter to me when that wa the case. I was never interested in it, but it was also not being forced down my throat. So I simply didn't care.
>>342863995
If you're so keen on saving money then stop spending it on frivolous things like video games and excess food, fatty.
>>342863843
>Literally no one did this only falseflaggers
nice revisionist statement faggot
>>342858183
I always enjoy paying for something I should have gotten for free.
>>342864348
yes
yes
yes
>>342864348
Patches are free.
>>342864292
newsflash dipshit people will buy anything if its said to be a good deal
Why do you think supermarkets ALWAYS have something with a sale tag? its not actually a good deal, its just a marketing ploy to sell more shit
Who recurring 3 month sub masterrace here?
>>342864292
>You're fucking dumb if you genuinely believe that people don't give a shit about those things.
PS3 was another matter
PS+ on PS3 gave mostly crap games at the beginning but as the time progressed they started giving out free AAA games while PS4 gave one AAA game in 3 years
I've yet to actually see a person give a crap about getting 5 extra USD off a title or get an indie game that costs 10 USD and your toaster could run it, not to mention that once your subscription is over you can't even play that anymore
>>342864348
There are some exceptions. Like I'm pretty sure in Destiny even if you're not PS+ you can still play online. You see people in the Tower (the main hub) and can see people when you're out on maps. But you can't do PvP or any of the raids/missions (called strikes) with other people. There are a few games that have limited online like this I think.. but yeah most do require PS+ to play online.
>>342864348
Playstation plus is required to play against or with people online in every game that isn't free like Warframe
Other than that you can do everything else without PS+
>>342864624
For your sake, I'm just hoping you're just pretending to be retarded.
>>342864693
>PS3 was another matter
No it fucking wasn't. It's been rollercoaster quality just like now.
AAA is not a fucking measure of quality of games either, or do you honestly just love Watch_dogs, Medal of Honor and have you garbage AAA games solely because they're AAA?
>>342864670
>spending 72 bucks instead 50
Fucking stupid.
>>342856070
>how the fuck are sony getting away with htis shit?
Because Xbox did it and idiots paid for it, so Sony chose to copy them because idiots would pay for it.
>>342864542
>>342864818
>>342864871
alright, thanks
not as bad as i expected then
>>342864894
>Paying 50 USD to play Broforce online is something people care about
You're probably just pretending to be dumb
If a service gives you free AAA games you can literally save hundreds of bucks by spending that fee and it would pay itself
If a service gives you free indie games nobody gave a shit about it's a bad service nobody will take seriously but the majority will complain about it being a paywall for multiplayer
>>342856070
>ps4
>gen 8 in general
>exclusives
>2005+11
>somehow just finding out about the psn+ fuckover on ps4
Either this thread is bait.
Or you're too poor to afford internet since you didn't know about this.
>>342865206
>indie games nobody gave a shit
Oh but it's okay when they're on PC right?
>>342864280
Can you get any of those games free noiw?
exactly
>>342865281
I used to be put off by PS+ when I was a jobless NEET.. but now that I have a job I don't really care.
Pretty sure these threads are just NEETs complaining they don't have the money to spend on it. Not so much that the actual service is at fault.
>>342862569
>But the console is already roughly break even price, for pretty much the first time in console gaming since the Atari days.
Right. So you agree with me.
> It's the game sale royalty that makes Sony the money.
Obviously they make money from that too.
>>342863485
Not that guy but I feel you are missing the point as they are charging for your access to the online components of the games you play and how that should be separate from all the other so called benefits you get from ps +. So basically you are saying that if you don't like what papa Sony is giving you it's your fault but they are now hiding online accessibility behind a pay wall which you could argue is necessary but the use of p2p as well as the fact that the ps3 didn't charge you as well as steam doing the same for free as well. So just because you wanna suck on Sony's dick doesn't mean the rest of us have to.
>>342865358
>Oh but it's okay when they're on PC right?
No it's not!
Why are you trying to deflect the argument?
>>342865390
I can because I'm not poor but fiscally responsible and have had ps plus for 3 years straight. Sucks to be you, bro.
>>342865543
Not really. The launch PS3 cost Sony $100 a unit. The launch PS4 made a slim profit on each unit. There's no subsidy any more; the money you would spend on a PS4 is the same you would spend on an equivalent PC.
$30 a year, 48 games for free at least half of them retail. PCdrones cant compete with such service. Even xbox does it. Steam sales are terrible as well, most of the old triple AAA titles are fucking $5 each
>>342865804
Just pirate if you want cheap games.
Isn't that like $2 in real money now that you guys left the EU? Why complain?
>>342865636
Bullshit, you faggots couldn't shut up about broforce when it was first on PC.
They get away with it because Microsoft has conditioned people to not only accept it but to defend it.
>Things that cost more are better.
>You are overly entitled and immature if you expect to use your internet for peer-to-peer connection games.
>$40 per year is cheap so it doesn't matter that you get nothing out of it.
Sony has now added:
>But you get so many games with it. You aren't allowed to complain because it is such a good value.
If people would just stop paying for it, it would go back to being free and everyone would be better off.
>>342865694
Then get the fuck out of the thread, you're literally a shill.
>>342865952
Neet triggered. You people are worse than the sjw's you claim to hate.
>>342865884
can't play multiplayer, shit argument, remember when PCMR upboated LIMBO is free to the front page of reddit, that proves right there bunch of pc drones, shit was already free on xbox. Ha battlefield is $5 on pc, ha xbox gets it for free $5 to play all the dlc
>>342856070
>It's a whine about video games like it contributes to the board thread
Fuck man you don't even care or you would try to do something about it, not come to your safe space and complain.
>>342861351
>get to play games online with other people
Why on earth would you pay for this?
>>342865206
>Paying 50 USD to play Broforce online is something people care about
Who are you quoting?
>If a service gives you free AAA games you can literally save hundreds of bucks by spending that fee and it would pay itself
Your argument is that only AAA full price (which never happens as the AAA games that get put on it are always games that have been discounted to ~20bux tier at best - besides, we had NBA2k16 which is AAA this month and what did AAA whiners do? Whine about it) can make it worthwhile. That's absurd because you pay 4 fucking bux a month and unless you somehow manage to get 3-8 games depending on which platforms you own for under that price (the exact same games no less) it already pays itself off on that front. If you are into digital games as well you'll save money by buying digital copies on sale.
>If a service gives you free indie games nobody gave a shit about it's a bad service nobody will take seriously but the majority will complain about it being a paywall for multiplayer
Stop speaking for everybody you dumbfuck when you can't even look up what's been on PS+.
>>342856070
Oh look, its one of those posts.
Here's your (you), OP.
>>342866048
I think I'm going to stay. What are you gonna do about it, loser?
>>342856746
Dont get your hopes up the moment you stop paying plus you cant play those "free" games again until you pay for plus again
>>342865985
I don't even care about Broforce or most of indie games for that matter and I play both on PC and PS4
You're deflecting the argument to not admit that you've lost it
>>342859479
>this entire post
Tot tier b8. Usually the bait used in threads like this is lazy, but you put forth some actual effort this time. 10/10. I'm proud of you.
It pays for itself with the extra discounts you get on stuff, kill yourself if 50 bucks breaks your bank
>>342856746
Blame Microcucks for lapping up XBL. Hopefully Microsoft gets desperate enough to make the online free so Sony will be pressured to follow suit.
>>342866486
Never forget that Microsoft tried to implement paying for online multiplayer with games for windows live games. PC users rightly told them to fuck off. Why can't console users get their shit together like that?
>>342866484
its not about breaking the bank you fucking kike
its the fact that sony is charging for an otherwise free service
>>342863685
>That's your opinion, not a fact
Dude I feel bad if you are this delusional. So let me spell it out for you, Was the ps3's online free? Yes. Is steam's online free? Yes.
Does the occasional use if dedicated servers warrant a price tag especially since it's usually a developer issue? No as other platforms use dedicated servers but do not charge for them.
Is the the ability to access the online services of games somehow tied to the stupid deals you get? No as you can do some basic internet shit without ps + but Sony bundles online game access with ps+ and tries to make it up with shit you may or may not want.
Now in all honesty since Sony owns both the PlayStation name the console's that run it they can charge whatever the fuck they want but don't try to pretend what they are doing is good or somehow necessary.
>>342859479
>then you'll be that weird guy that uses his computer to play video games.
Fuck why are americans so fucking retarded?
Thanks god I live in europe.
>>342866702
They don't have the option of alternative services. If you don't pay, you miss out on online altogether. A lot of people like online.
>>342866750
It's only free on pc and then you'd have to pay the price of losing all self respect like all pc friends have apparently done.
>>342866097
At this point im sure you're trolling or genuinely mentally ill. I dont give a single fuck about sjw's and never even menatined that. You are literally defending sony charging you for something for no real reason other than they can. You're literally getting robbed, and you defend them. Im done with you.
>>342867080
>pay the price of losing all self respect like all pc friends have apparently done.
This is not an argument, it seems you've run out of REAL retorts and devolved to stupid memes and meaningless diatribe
>>342867094
>people pay $15/mo for WoW
>paying $5/mo for PS+ is wrong
>>342867052
Playing games on PC IS weird. It's inherently isolating.
>>342867080
You lost all self respect when you accepted paid online.
>>342866161
>Your argument is that only AAA full price (which never happens as the AAA games that get put on it are always games that have been discounted to ~20bux tier at best
Bear with me for a second
If unknown indie game number 3 is free on PS+ people will barely give a shit about it
If known AAA game is free on PS+ people will be more intrested in it, mostly because they either missed it and consider it or because having a triple AAA game means there will be more AAA games downloadable for free for PS+ members in the future and so you can catch up with games you either haven't played or that you were intrested but never got into
Do you think it would be more intresting to pay 50 USD a year for more than one triple AAA game or indie games you can get on steam for less than 10 USD?
>Stop speaking for everybody you dumbfuck when you can't even look up what's been on PS+.
I quoted NBA2K16 before and everyone on this planet which had to pay for PS+ felt a little more relieved to see an AAA game
If you're intrested in free indie games you can play on a 7 years old laptop be my guest, but I, like many others, am not ok with it because we don't give a shit about those games
>>342867183
>implying these are the same people
>>342866750
>charging for a free service
That's comes with a bunch of extra shit
If it was just for online play like xbox was doing during the 360 days I would see your point but as it stand now where I get new games every month and get a bunch if discounts it pays for itself and is worth the 50 bucks, and even more if you just pay 20 during a holiday sale
>>342866945
> Was the ps3's online free? Yes. Is steam's online free? Yes.
Do these have ANYTHING to do with the argument at hand? No.
If PS+ was actually coined to 'soften the blow' of paid online THEN you'd have a point. But as it stands it was just added as a feature to an already existing service.
>>342865694
>I've wasted my money for 3 years
>haha you need to work a job like me so you can waste money too loser
Im guessing you're getting excited because you only just started working. maybe when you'll grow up you'll see the value of money care that you're getting shafted.
>>342867331
>That's comes with a bunch of extra shit
It comes with nothing but "free games" that aren't even free, paying for a service to get "free games" is NOT free
>>342867429
>If PS+ was actually coined to 'soften the blow' of paid online THEN you'd have a point.
That's literally why it's there.
>>342867183
MMOS maintain persistent game servers and free content updates, you have to pay a separate sub just to play FFXV even if you have PS+ which had free online on PS3 fuck for brains.
>>342867198
Maybe in your shit country.Litteraly everyone plays on pc here even the most mcfucking normalfag and no one thinks its weird.
Fucking americlaps
>>342867223
This.
Indie games aren't real games.
Why the fuck do we have powerful PCs and consoles if we're not gonna get past fucking shitty pixel art. The indie bubble has more or less burst since GamerGate. There are exceptions, obviously, but the exceptions are usually headed by experienced developers.
>stop paying for ps+
>lose access to "free" games
Even Microsoft manages this shit better.
>>342867198
It's amazing what console fanboys will delude themselves to believe just to rationalize not playing pc games. It's getting pretty sad.
>>342865734
http://www.eurogamer.net/articles/2013-09-20-sony-expects-to-recoup-playstation-4-hardware-loss-at-launch
Its a $60 loss for each ps4. Also buying the chips in bulk will reduce overall price. The ps4 is a pretty good system for what you are paying for it but don't try to pretend that a ps4 with its profit loss per unit and mass producing is somewhat comparable to paying PC components and building one on your own.
>>342867552
That's because in your third world country everyone has hand-me-down XP PCs that used to populate our middle school computer labs.
>>342867551
You're still spending more on WoW than PS+ users.
>>342867223
>If unknown indie game number 3 is free on PS+ people will barely give a shit about it
Like Rocket League when it came out?
>Do you think it would be more intresting to pay 50 USD a year for more than one triple AAA game or indie games you can get on steam for less than 10 USD?
Like I said, the AAA games that actually come out on PS+ are at the point of adding already around the same price as the fucking indie games that get added.
>but I, like many others, am not ok with it because we don't give a shit about those games
Well, too bad for you and your group of 3 people.
>>342867604
>Indie games aren't real games.
This is getting sad.
>THEY'RE NOT REAL GAMES BECAUSE I DON'T LIKE THEM >:(
Why do you expect indie devs to have billions to blow on game graphics? There are dozens and dozens of non-pixel graphic indie games.
>>342867552
>PClards
>Normalfags.
>>342867714
Reports are conflicting it seems.
http://www.gamespot.com/articles/ps4-cost-381-to-build-report/1100-6416251/
>>342867685
But I have a PC and am speaking from experience
>>342867604
Believe it or not, there's people who find it convenient to have free indie games with a PS+ subscription that you can play on your console designed to run AAA games
Why the hell did you buy a PS4 if you're going to play Gone Home and Broforce on it?
>>342867552
>Being proud of living in a third world country and having to play things designed to distract children on something designed exclusively for spreadsheets
I'll pray for you and your cockroach kind tonight, anon
>>342858550
http://www.sportsgamersonline.com/father-receives-8000-bill-thanks-to-fifa-microtransactions/
Ultimate Team has made its way into just about every EA sports franchise. You pay for a chance at a rare card (like Hearthstone) and you can make a team with the cards you own, then compete against other players.
The idea is to buy a bunch of cards, then dominate others. When the reality is everyone spends a fortune just to be average.
>>342867198
Are you stupid? By your logic you shouldn't do anything because all ~20 year olds do is drink, watch netflix, and use their phones. I can't tell if you're grasping at straws to justify your shitty purchase, or if your own character is so weak and nonexistent that you let yourself be defined by everyone around you.
>PS3 online is free, undercutting yheir competitor
>its utter dogshit
People bitched
>PS4 online has a fee that is less than the competitor's
>it easily matches the competitor's
People still bitch
>>342867832
Wow, dozens you say? I guess that makes up for the thousands of pixelshit
>>342867828
Are you fucking dense retard? Paying for an MMO that comes with content updates isn't equitable to a paywall just to play p2p multiplayer in any game you buy.
You still have to pay for FFXIV monthly if you have PS+. How can you be this retarded?
>>342867448
>reeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeee things aren't free
So?
I've had ps+ since 2011 and am subbed until 2017
For less than 300 dollars so far I've gotten almost 300 hundred games through ps+ not counting vita or psp since I don't have either of those
Hell take a look at the list and tell me its not a bargain
https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of_Instant_Game_Collection_games_(North_America)
>>342867820
>>342867842
>>342868010
Oh shit I really triggered you didnt I?
PS+ used to be good when it was just on PS3. You actually got a lot of good games with it. In Europe at least. Then the PS4 was released and it all went to shit. Nothing but indie trash and yet the amount of subscriptions went up like crazy because morons gotta play their callodooty online and are willing to pay out the ass for it. My membership ran out six months ago and I haven't renewed it. I don't miss it. I don't care that much about online multiplayer anyway and if there's ever a game that I got with PS+ that I want to play again (if your membership runs out you lose access to the games until you subscribe again) I'll just buy the games instead of getting PS+.
>>342868112
Its the same service as before, nothing changed except now they force you to pay for it to be online
>>342868114
Well hundreds then. You can fucking browse Steam and see for yourself.
But do continue on to discriminate indie games as a whole because of some shitty pixel games
>all these fags defending paid online
Christ.
>>342867929
You're speaking from personal bias and delusion. There's nothing inherently isolating about playing on a computer.
>>342868112
In europe its more expensive han Xbox live now. im fucking furious.
>>342868269
>nothing changed
t. Anon's ass
>>342868202
>I was just pretending to be retarded
Classic.
>>342868053
Oh alright, I thought you meant that PS+ was somehow giving you a "chance" at digital goods.
>>342868010
>designed exclusively for spreadsheets
Consolekids are Phil fish tier retarded.
>>342867832
>Well, too bad for you and your group of 3 people.
>3 people
You mean the people who spend 400 USD to get a console that allows them to play AAA games with more and more photorealistic graphics?
Because paying 400 USD to play games you can play on a 7 years old laptop is a very intelligent move isn't it?
>>342867429
>Do these things have anything to do with argument at hand?
Actually it does as it's proof that online services can be free as well that even Sony has done it before.
And ps+ really is to soften the blow for charging for an otherwise free service. And what was added as a new feature to ps+? Online play? Ps3 owners had access to free online and ps+ so that makes your argument.
But sadly you are too far gone to see it
>>342868306
Wow how could someone defend capitalism leading to a rise in product quality and consumer satisfaction omg
>>342868357
>>342868112
What changed broski?
>>342867198
This is modern games in general. Good local multiplayer is rare in anything but fighting games and Nintendo games. At least with PC you have good and free ways to connect with people when you are forced to play online.
>>342867094
Alright then, faggot.
If you really think it's a terrible deal, don't fucking pay for it.
I pay for car insurance, but I've never hit anyone.
I pay for data on my phone, which I could live without, but I want it anyway.
I pay county taxes on my car, but I don't think the roads are maintained as well as they could be.
It's not about justifying it; it's not justified. It sucks. No one actually wants to pay for it. But we do, because we can pay money to have things we want.
You can argue all fucking day that we shouldn't have to pay, and you're right. But hey, welcome to capitalism.
Now stop bitching, and go earn enough money that subscriptions like this are pocket change. Even part-time burger-flippers like yourself can afford it.
>>342868196
>So?
Holy fuck you're stupid, Its not free if you paid for it you dumbass. "Oh man if I PAY money to them they'll give me FREE stuff" thats not the way it works, you're actively paying for the service, you don't pay for the service and some "feature" of the service is somehow "free"
>300 games
none of which you play because PS+ hasn't shit out a good game in months and months on end. I highly doubt you ever touched even a fraction of those 300 games you purportedly got for "free" even though if you stop paying for it you can't play the "free" games you "got"
I don't have PS Plus but I'm still playing Battlefront online, how is this happening?
>>342868202
>Y-you were on m-my ruse cruise.
Damage control.
>>342868306
/v/ is overrun by children and industry apologist. No wonder people think shills post here, /v/ does it for free.
>>342868313
Well maybe not, but let's not pretend that the vast majority of PCucks aren't greasy, awkward chucklefucks.
>>342868357
What changed? they integrated PS+ into their mandatory online paywall and claimed it was "free" even though you're actively paying for it.
You're literally paying for freeware
Paying for free VOIP
Paying for free online access
Paying for free hosting or servers
>>342868269
Bitch it takes me ten fucking hours to download a 5GB Gran Turismo 6 patch on PS3. Takes maybe three hours to download an entire 50GB game on PS4.
PSN in general is fucking lightspeed on PS4 conpared to PS3.
>>342868479
>leading to a rise in product quality
Bahahahahaha console fats are this delusional
>>342868375
>>342868606
But I wasnt pretending, everything I wrote in my posts is true.
>>342868597
Because there is this small handful of games that don't use Sony's services so you don't have to pay for them
But if you wanted to play Battlefield 4 you'd have to pay against the paywall
