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Tell me /v/ why aren't you learning Japanese?
http://store.steampowered.com/app/438270/
>>342848698
You can learn kana in a single day.
>>342848698
>paying for this
>when you can just spend 2-3 hours on realkana.com and learn both hiragana and katakana
>>342848826
This.
Max 2 weeks if you're a lazy fucker like me
It's the easiest part anyway
>>342848698
Because hiragana only takes a couple of days and if you're fucking stupid enough to pay money to learn it you shouldn't even be alive.
>kana learning game
>made in rpg maker
>using default art assets
just use http://realkana.com/ like a normal person
>>342848698
Because learning the alphabet is the least difficult part of learning a language
>>342848698
But I am.
>>342848698
>not even learning the most basic kanji
流石な
>learned all kana last year at uni
>can easily read any kana or write using keyboard
>find it fucking impossible to recall several kana when writing by hand
Fucking shit
I learned kana fucking years ago, its a piece of piss, and I'm slow as shit with this stuff.
>>342849224
I just starting to get into kanji and I have the same problem
Everything makes sense in context, but when I have to write it myself, hoo boy
>>342849224
Handwriting is an important part of learning a language's alphabet, and japs used to worship calligraphy.
>>342848698
just get anki for free, dunkass
>kana
>anything close to learning japanese
dont fall for it lads. Kana is just the application of lube. The kanji dildo is worse than any dragon dildo you ever shoved up your ass
>>342849524
it's literally completely irrelevant if all you want to do is play japanese video games
>B-B-BUT I'M GOING TO GO TO JAPAN AND BECOME JAPANESE AND GO TO A JAPANESE HIGH SCHOOL
>>342849702
t. obese american who can't tell the difference between their there they're
>>342849059
>iphone only
why
>>342849858
>AND GO TO A JAPANESE HIGH SCHOOL
is that projection, you know this is an 18+ site right? please leave
>>342849702
No, I'm a sad fuck who masturbates to the voice of a 30+ year old Asian woman mimicking teenagers' voices
>muh kana is so easy
yes, we get it, literally everyone before you has said that it's piss easy, same thing with the korean alphabet.
it's the kanji that takes a lot of time to get comfortable with.
>>342850001
that's exactly what weebs like you think is going to happen
>I LEARNED TO WRITE JAPANESE, NOW I CAN GO TO A JAPANESE HIGH SCHOOL AND BECOME ANIME
>>342850086
muh nigga, and lets be real here those 30-40 year old japs looks fucking amazing for their age
>>342849702
There's no reason to learn anything besides English. Besides personal interest in a particular language.
>>342848698
>Gūguru de kore o hon'yaku shimasu koko no hitobito /v/ arimasu
>>342850157
>weebs like you
>Tell me /v/ why aren't you learning Japanese?
I think you might be in the wrong place
>>342850190
not him
but u right
>>342850209
i'm kinda glad i can speak fluent english
>>342850157
>he thinks there aren't any people who only take solaces in the convines of waifus
Go away and take your shitty real life gook shit with you. The only worth while thing this world has to offer is traditional food
>>342850157
whew this summer is really heating up
>>342848698
Fan translations, also I typically only play older games where writing doesn't matter. Unless like jrpgs or VNs there isn't a real reason to give a shit.
>>342848698
the gameplay is shit. literally, rpg battles that consist of matching a kana with a syllable in romaji sounds boring and repetitive. I've literally had more fun putting realkana in speed mode and seeing how fast i can reach 100.
>>342849879
t. Anon who can't do the same
>>342849702
>t. faggot who wastes his time posting on a video game board, playing video games, and doing other pointless shit that does nothing but keep him entertained, complaining about people pursuing knowledge that would further help them enjoy the things that keep them entertained
What are you suggesting, everyone just stop what they're doing and just do everything they can to make as much money as possible, because that's the only objective worth in society? Or is it getting laid? Because if either is the case then fuck off out of here and start with yourself.
Why does the Jap alphabet not make any sense?
Not to mention that they have symbols for syllables instead of actual letters like every normal language in existence but each group ending with the same vowel has absolutely no connection between them.
>>342850157
How the fuck would I go to a high school if I already graduated you dense fuck?
>>342850576
some syllables in english are a single letter, it's not that odd if you think about it without too much bias.
>>342850190
I'd say I'd genuinely let her rape me, but it's not rape if I enjoy it
>>342850576
It doesn't make any sense because you're trying to apply the logic of other alphabets to it. A writing system is just a bunch of symbols you need to memorize. Stop thinking so hard about it.
I've been fucking with Japanese for some time and for some reason katakana still won't stick in my mind, just because its not really used as much.
>>342850702
>>342850001
>weebs getting mad as fuck after getting called out
>>342850140
isn't korean easier to learn than japanese, but only by a small margin? or is it just harder in different areas?
>>342850576
>like every normal language in existence
>being this ignorant of human history yet making such sweeping statements with such confidence
Jesus Christ /v/ you're an embarrassment. It's hilarious how you go on with your hate for weeaboos because of their lack of culture and self awareness while being the very embodiment of that yourselves.
>>342850576
How fucking retarded are you? Their kana are single letters for their language. They don't have a single g, all they have are ga, gi, gu, ge, go. Even if you need two roman symbols to describe the sounds, in their language they are the most atomic particles you could need to describe all the sounds their words make.
>>342848698
It doesn't fit in with my uni lecture scheduleyetand I need some kind of framework to start so I won't get discouraged quickly.
>>342850980
>learning korean
>>342848698
because you dont need some shitty steam game to learn hiragana, and i've already past that level months ago
>>342850915
シンジツ
>>342851090
i was just asking a question man, whether or not it's useful to learn is up to me
>>342850576
>each group ending with the same vowel has absolutely no connection between them.
i think that's because, rather than building their writing system from the ground up, they adapted the Chinese system to suit their needs.
>>342851058
That's what I'm fucking saying. Why not have just a symbol for a,i,o,e,o which they have and a single symbol for 'g' instead of 5 extra unrelated symbols.
>>342850946
>tells people who are past the age of secondary education that they're just learning a language because they fantasise to enter a secondary school in a different country
>gets called a retard for making projections that don't even make sense
>lol u mad
나는 도리어 한국어를 배우고 있다.
>>342850915
Same here. Hiragana was easy as hell and I learned it on two days. Katakana on the other hand is way too boring. It's literally learning the same shit twice.
>>342850915
>>342851206
>keep reading パソコン as パンコン
God, how embarassing
>>342851237
Because the sound 'g' doesn't fucking exist in any of their words. What you are proposing is an abstraction that isn't intuitive at all unless you're learning from the perspective of someone that already knows another alphabet that works that way.
>>342851024
I don't hate weebs you fucking weeb so please don't pretend that most languages today don't operate the way I said.
I know 3 for example with moon hopefully being the 4th soon.
>>342851237
Because that'd increase the number of characters they'd need to write.
>>342851428
>today == all of history
>western languages == all languages
japanese is a meme language
>>342851420
Well that's the explanation I was looking for.
So you are saying that they don't have words that read like 'great' for example but rather 'gureito' or something?
>>342851530
So tell me, what languages except Asian operate like that?
>>342851536
>not French
>>342851620
Not that guy, but yeah that's how it works
Is this the daily "guys go to japan they worship white people" meme thread where people ask where to go in Akihabara and talk about how you should learn radicals and talk about how easy Japanese is when they're sub N2 and prove they're not spergs by using totallynonspergy shit like ore/omae wa?
>>342851620
Yes, that's also part of why they fucking suck at pronouncing english. The only sound they have that isn't accompanied by what we'd call a vowel is the n, written as ん.
>>342851620
>gureito
That's literally it: グレート/gurēto
>>342848826
>>342849014
While it is true, this "game" is actually pretty nice to learn because requires 0 effort.
>Be Finnish
>Forced to study Swedish for five years plus some courses in uni
>Can't speak for shit in Swedish because you don't ever need to use such bullshit language anywhere
Speaking of useless shit
>RPG maker shit
>paying for kanas that you can learn in 3 days for free
>>342851918
if 0 effort is all you're willing to put in, then learning a second language is not for you.
Give me a single reason to learn japanese besides weeb stuff
>>342852009
>3 days
It shouldn't take you more than an hour to learn Hiragana and Katakana. It shouldn't take you more than a day to be able to write them from memory, this is literal baby shit.
>>342848698
Because I have no desire to learn the language of a place I have no desire to go to.
>>342851918
I don't know man, going to websites like japaneseclass.jp is also pretty effortless.
You could even got some interesting tidbits in Tae Kim
>>342849926
It's not. Look harder.
>>342851731
http://www.omniglot.com/writing/syllabaries.htm
http://www.omniglot.com/writing/semanto-phonetic.php
http://www.omniglot.com/writing/syllabic.htm
http://www.omniglot.com/writing/undeciphered.htm
Wow, who would have thought that there's been more than one or even two writing systems in human history and that the European standard isn't some standard that has been used by everyone forever before the dumb Japanese came along. Shit, if only there was some internet system that let you search information on subjects like these so you wouldn't have to spew dumb ignorant shit and make yourself look like an idiot.
>>342849827
This. Kanji is so hard that even the nips have problems with it.
>want to learn japanese because i can't wait for yakuza kiwami and want to play the other games in the series that were never localized, among other things
>want to learn korean because i watch too many of their damn movies
fuck
>>342852279
>even the nips have problems with it
Most Japanese people can read and write 10,000 Kanji if they're well educated, so no.
>>342848698
>have books and programs for German, Italian and Japanese that have been lying around for almost a decade
>never used them and half-assed my way through 2 years of spanish in high school
I probably should get around to it some day. The German and Japanese programs re neat because they make little games out of memorizing words, spelling and pronounciation
>>342850576
Most asian languages work like Japanese though.
>>342852096
Depends on what your interests are. If you're really interested in a particular aspect of a foreign culture, you learn that language. If you really want to move to or work in a certain country, you learn their language.
Don't fall for the "learn this language for more business prospects" meme. Any company worth working for will hire English speaking employees. You're already set.
>>342851949
>Implying it won't be useful when you're applying for a job in the occupation regime.
ISHYGDDT
>>342852096
learning any new language is a good idea because it expands your horizons in all facets of life.
>>342852371
Baby steps anon, baby steps. Make priority list and might as well just do it instead of not doing anything
>>342852387
>write 10k
Unless you're talking about writing on a computer rather than handwriting, that's bullshit. Give me a source.
>>342852114
>It shouldn't take you more than an hour to learn Hiragana and Katakana
placing something in your short term memory =! learning, you goddamn idiot. Anyone who says "lol lernd kana in a day" is a dumbass weeb who is trying to show off how hardcore japanese he is without having any idea how retention of knowledge and the human mind works. You're like some old fart who just discovered how to use a computer yet has absolutely no understanding of what the difference between RAM and hard drive space is.
>>342852486
When that time comes, you'll need Arabic.
>>342848698
Because I'm an idiot and can't learn another language if I tried
>>342852239
Ok, you've convinced me I was wrong but I still think it's needlessly complicated and just inflates the character count.
>>342852387
Sure they can, but they still confuse them and they don't finish learning them all until high school.
>>342852096
You'll be a more educated person.
>>342852371
To be fair anon, both of those languages are really fucking difficult, so you can start with either one. Maybe one will make the other one easier to learn.
It's really a case of what this anon said >>342852547
Just start on a language and keep at it. It's important to be consistent and to make progress every time you hunker down to learn some shit. Just like uni. But this time, you're trying to enjoy it.
>>342850209
>There's no reason to learn anything besides English. Besides personal interest in a particular language.
Actually there is not reason to learn anything other than your country native languages
>>342852575
If you can't remember symbols in your long term memory after an hour you should probably just kill yourself, you're never going to learn Japanese. I've got the N1 and I learn Kanji after seeing them twice, excluding the compounds obviously.
Don't project your idiocy on other people. You're the type of idiot that'd use a shit program like Wanikani or Memrise.
>>342852484
>Any company worth working for will hire English speaking employees.
I've never this'd a post this hard
>>342852668
Take a class anon. Maybe you just need that weekly push and consistencies
>>342852575
You could learn it in a day though, or at least one of the kanas, but it would take you all day.
>>342852096
You would be able to mock weaboos in japanese.
>>342848698
Because it's a useless language.
>>342852668
self-deprecation is a slippery as fuck slope, stop it while you're ahead.
>>342848698
Been doing it for three years. Even get official translation jobs from time to time. I've done like, 20 of those in the last year. Also been playing games in Nip almost exclusively for nearly two years, though I think I'm starting to burn out a bit. My Japanese is getting better, but I still have to look stuff up and that adds up after nearly two years.
>>342848698
Because i'm to busy trying to learn korean.
I'm in this country for the next 2.5 years, so I might as well.
Only problem Is I apparently suck at learning languages. Come to think of it I did suffer from a speech impediment early on, and always had trouble with writing, so my mind must not be wired right to learn languages quickly.
>>342853047
Best reason.
>>342852575
I've stopped telling people this, but yeah, you're absolutely right. It pisses me off just a little bit whenever people talk about learning the kana in a few hours when it'll then take them as long to read any text. The word learning is fucking pointless if we're not talking about full internalization.
>>342852835
Unless you have a photographic memory from childhood, that seems very unlikely to have been the case at the start of your learning. Now that you're N1 level, sure, you've gotten accustomed to memorizing kanji and you have all kinds of shortcuts in place that you unconsciously use, but you likely couldn't fluently read hiragana after looking at them for an hour. Even after that hour you gradually learned them through reading lots of different things.
Does anybody have a .pdf for "Learning the Kanji"?
>>342852835
>If you can't remember symbols in your long term memory after an hour
This is everyone on planet earth who isn't a savant. People forget things over time if they don't repeat them. Especially some arbitrary set of symbols.
>>342852835
>"I'm so smart" the post.
Maybe you have good visual memory. It would take a bit more for regular people. I mean you can remember kanas fairly easy if you take the time, but most people would forgot most of them the next day if they don't review them.
>>342853112
Good stuff m8. At least you started unlike me who can't decide between Japanese and Korean.
Are the people here, who say that they learned hiragana in just two days, in their teens or early twenties?
Good luck you little shits
>>342853162
You mean "Remembering the Kanji"? That thing is a horrid way to learn kanji.
>>342853251
I'm 33 and I learned hiragana in a day. Took about 3 days for Katakana.
>>342853131
I don't have a photographic memory, I sat down for an hour, grinded the Hiragana and Katakana and could read them instantly. It's not difficult, just sit down and do it. People sit down, do it for 5 minutes, go and watch a YouTube video or something, do it for 5 minutes again, etc.
>>342853193
No shit you're going to forget them if you don't see them for a month when you start, but you should be able to instantly read Hiragana without pause after an hour.
>>342853221
Then they're dumb and should give up now, because there is absolutely zero chance of them completing the Core2k let alone the 6k.
>this thread
Well, STALKER got me into learning Cyrillic alphabet. I can still sound most words out, but I have no idea what they mean. Or how to use grammar right.
I guess I'll try Hirigana at least so I can read words without knowing vocab.ь, ы, and ъ still confuse me
>>342852835
You're a fucking idiot and literally all of biology disagrees with you. The brain subconsciously discards knowledge that it deems useless, and knowledge that you've only exposed yourself to for an hour and then don't return to is useless. Repetition is the most important part of a learning process. Go pick up a book on biology instead of trying to act tough despite spewing absolutely horsearse you tard.
>>342852954
A day of continuous learning might be enough for long-term memory. Definitely not working-memory though.
>>342853131
>>342853251
I'm 30 and I learned hiragana and katakana in like a month or so with work and stuff, I found much easier to learn hiragana first and then katakana, since they both have similarities
I personally recommend using nukemarine's playlist to learn the hiragana first
https://www.youtube.com/playlist?list=PL2A25F7399E8805ED
How do you even learn a language? How did I learn English? I remember having to take several years of Spanish in my K-12 education, and all I can do with that language is count to three, say hello, and say that I can't speak Spanish. I took 4 years of Latin and it all started tumbling down in my 4th year while trying to translate the Aeneid, I barely know any Latin now other than words that are obvious because English words came from them.
>>342848698
Because I tried to and lost. I admitted to myself that I don't have the will to do it shortly after passing N3.
>>342853724
You did the right thing, japanese is useless anyway.
>>342852835
I don't know how you can learn 80+ characters, that seem completely alien at first and have really delicate differences between some of them in a hour unless you are some kind of genius with photographic memory.
So either you are one and showing off or you're just lying.
>>342853619
>act tough
By knowing a language competently enough to speak on the standards of learning it. Sorry that your subhuman monkey brain can't pick up symbols properly, but if after an hour you can't recognize things instantly and remember them the next day you're literally never going to learn Japanese. Give up like every other pathetic foreigner that handwaves hardwork with meme exercises like using anime for "listening practice" and Wanikani.
>>342848698
If they made this game for kanji it might actually be useful
kana literally takes a couple hours tops, it's piss easy and only requires rote memory rather than any convoluted gamification
>>342853572
>I guess I'll try Hirigana at least so I can read words
Gonna need kanji for that, dude
>>342853453
>>342853685
The best way to learn a language is to get dropped into the middle of a culture of native speakers so that you're constantly in the midst of it.
You won't learn anything if you take a bunch of classes or whatever and never use it outside that short timeframe
>>342853685
You just do
Obligatory
>>342853685
>how do you even learn a language
the internet
>how did i learn english
because you were exposed to it from your parents and people close to you at an early age.
unless you are raised as a chink with knowledge of characters do not bother trying to learn japanese
t. former weeaboo
>>342853453
>>342853453
Fuck off you stupid cunt. I'll prove you wrongsomeday.
>>342849858
Writing helps a lot with memorization.
Not to sound like a shill, but for beginners I recommend subscribing to Yuta's newsletter, he goes over basic but really helpful stuff and the comment section of each video is great since people comment on it and correct eachother
for example, on this video he goes explaining the entire conversation of 2 man insulting eachother using the word 'you'
http://www.yutaaoki.com/blog/jwy-real-japanese-you?utm_source=ActiveCampaign&utm_medium=email&utm_content=How+to+insult+Japanese+people++by+using++you&utm_campaign=JWY%3A+how+to+insult++you
>>342854131
>taking a major to learn Japanese
>not doing it in your spare time and still reaching conversational/professional status
haha enjoy that nojob
>>342853813
You're so fucking stupid it hurts. Educate yourself.
http://www.human-memory.net/
Reminder that if you're doing something that isn't just Tae Kim + Anki, end your own life and give up because you're literally never going to learn Japanese.
>>342854131
pretty good pic
I tried learning Japanese and I got pretty far for a years worth of learning, can make out most sentences even if I don't know the kanji, but holy shit, its such a useless language. Its not good for any real world application. Spanish and Arabic are the two most important secondary languages now, its better to learn one of those.
>>342854131
At least these "politeness levels" also applies to my local languages. Not to that extreme, but it's not hard to understand why they do it
>>342854131
That is the most retarded picture i saw this month
Fuck you and the guy who made this.
>>342852371
As someone who's taking a Japanese class at university and fucking with Korean in my spare time, I found Korean to be much quicker to learn in terms of its alphabet and writing system. The grammar is fucked though, for both. Korean is a very tonal language, some sounds are downright guttural if you want to be specific.
>>342848698
I actually bought this. Will try it later.
>>342854632
It's satire.
>>342854534
>some over 50 retard making a poorly written page is the end all, be all of "memory" guidelines
Did you even proof read your own page you mongoloid?
>>342854564
I thought Spanish and Mandarin were the two most important ones
>>342854564
Why Arabic exactly?
こんばんは!私はメアリーさんです。二年生です。私の専攻は日本語です。はじめまして!オナニーをしましょうか?
>>342854809
fuck off mary stop greeting me every goddamn day, put out that smoke too you stupid cunt
don't make give Santos your number again.
>>342854809
Fuck you too
>>342850086
back to the voicethread.
>>342854809
>using -san when introducing yourself
Go away skinchanger, what'd you do with Mary?
>>342854564
Eh, I guess for job opportunities maybe. Spanish, English, Mandarin, and maybe, I don't know, French and German? They're probably the best for that, but it's really up to the individual. I have many more uses for Japanese than any of them (except English). I'd like to study Chinese as well as it seems kinda interesting, but likely will not because I have absolutely no uses for it at all.
>>342848698
Because I already know hiragana from highschool and it's fucking easy to learn without wasting money on something like this.
>>342853685
Immersion, that's all you need. I fucking sucked at Latin my first three years, but when we got to the fun stuff (like reading the Aeneid) I got my ass into gear and just read a fucking bunch. Immersion is how you learned English, your native language if it isn't English, and how you could learn any other language.
Unless that language has thousands of arbitrary symbols, that makes it a bit harder. Still, if you spend 10 years just reading shit with furigana you'll probably end up learning a bunch of kanji as well.
>>342854979
What if her name is marysan?
>>342854735
Mandarin is pretty important as well.
>>342854795
Mudslimes are the Mexicans of Europe.
>>342854709
I just gave you a starting point to get you to understand at least a little how the human mind works. You could have wikipedia if you'd like
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Memory
Or any of the pages it references that can be found at the bottom, in the case that you're one of those retards who thinks it has 0 reliability because it can be edited.
Regardless of where you read up, your retarded bragging goes against the common conceptions that are outlined in pretty much any page that you could find on the internet or a page of any written book.
>>342854954
To the what now?
After 10 years I still cannot speak english properly, learning 3rd language would unrealistic. And if I did it would probably be french for its literary heritage, not retarded weeb shit
>>342854735
Mandarin is vastly overrated in importance, unless you actually want to live in China. And why the fuck would you. All business dealings with Chinese companies are conducted in English.
Not that I agree with the poster you quoted though. Arabic is useless as well. Spanish might have some use as a foreign language for Americans.
>>342854809
Even though this is shit tier, incorrect Japanese:
Good evening, I'm Mary. I'm in highschool. Japanese language is my major. Pleased to meet you, do you want to use me as an onahole?
>>342855096
>living in Yurop
oops
>>342854131
>the Latin roots "Holi" and "Causm" meaning to major in Japanese
>>342854131
>Reason One: It's Too Hard
Top fucking kek, a casual thinks he has a say on /v/ of all the places on the internet.
EOPs are sometimes almost cute in how irredeemably pathetic they are.
>>342855197
Gotcha.
>>342855113
You poor poor innocent child.
Welcome to the fold.
>>>/h/4311930
>>342855305
It's a satire article lifted from an old website.
>>342848698
>hiragana
That's like learning a, b, c and ü and claiming I know german.
>>342854635
Who are meaner to gaijins, the Koreans or the Japanese?
I can't really say since I've never visited those countries in-depth, only their airports.
>>342853572
ь - called soft sign. It's to make a somewhat drawn out sound in the middle or end of the word.
For example тeнь (shadow). Without it it would read like "ten" in english and with it it sounds something like "ten-ye"
ъ - hard sign. same but to indicated sharp stops.
For example oбъeкт (object). Without it it would read 'obekt' and with it it's read as 'obyekt'
ы - doesn't really have an analog in English.
Used in words like pыбa (fish).
It's best you go and hear some pronunciations of words with those letters because it's really hard to explain in text.
>>342854131
well at the very least that was funny to read. drags on a bit though.
>>342853469
>No shit you're going to forget them if you don't see them for a month when you start
If you stopped using and seeing English for the next month you would still remember all of it. That's generally what people mean when they say something is "learnt". I've been out of school for several months now and I could still do most of the math I was exposed to in that time. The stuff I can't do is the stuff I crammed for a few hours for an exam and never touched again.
So no, you did not "learn" kana in an hour. You temporarily memorized it in an hour to be able to start reading meaningful things to properly retain the symbols. How long is temporary? Depends on the person. But temporary memorization by itself is not meaningful learning.
>>342855559
Satire still holds some truth in it. That's why its satire and not a parody.
>>342854795
You're going to need it in about 10 years if you're going to Europe :^)
Are there any video games that are written in just hiragana so I can practice my hiragana vocab? or should i just not try too hard with that and jump into kanji asap
>>342855452
Holy mother of all-night long orgy, anon. Why did I never think to go to /h/?
Thanks a bunch
>>342848698
>its a turn based RPG
Sounds like shit, not the gameplay that I would want to learn with.
I remember being a little kid and learning english with a game though, I wish I remembered the name.
It was a platformer where you had to just go around finding blocks with pictures and the corresponding block with the english word, or something close to that.
>Learning only to play Weeb shit and Yakuza games
>Dont give a fuck about Japan or its people since there all pricks
I pity delusional retards who think Japan and its people are happy go lucky.
even: I learn Japanese
odd: I learn a computer language instead
>>342848698
I honestly feel like playing video games and exercising for all of my spare time
don't feel like making any room for Japanese learning
>>342855773
Most games intended for children. I think the newer Pokemon games allow you to switch between normal script, which includes kanji, and only kana.
>>342855702
When I learned English, which was my second language, I didn't forget English letters the next day, week or month. If you took me on my first day and hid me in a cupboard for a month, maybe, but I was learning it casually and never forgot it. I don't have a photographic memory, I just put in the time with studies.
So yes, I did "learn" kana in an hour. Stop projecting your inabilities onto other people, you should just admit to yourself that your brain is too slow to properly process symbols and try and fix it. Otherwise, let the reality that you'll never be able to read Japanese sink in and get over it.
>>342848826
Took me more than a day before my penmanship wasn't complete shit.
>>342853572
ы is basically the sound you make when you're doing that dry heave before the flood gates burst.
>>342855648
I'd say Koreans but their english is better than the Japanese tbqh.
To be fair, if anyone is still learning Korean, why?
>>342855939
you made the right choice gambler
>>342855847
t. somebody who has literally never lived in Japan.
>learning a language that a native Japanese will never use in conversation with Baka Gaijin Waito Piggu
>not learning Mandarin Chinese instead
shiggy diggy
English is harder to learn than japanese.
t. Spanish speaker
>>342853453
I'm going to learn to read nip just to prove this smug cunt wrong
>"て form is too hard!"
>>342854131
>somebody has wasted their time to make this
>>342856127
Maybe it is, but most people are exposed to it from an early age.
>>342848698
No thanks id rather die
>>342856127
What makes English so hard to learn? I have no business in answering this since English is my native and only language.
>>342856008
>why learn Korean
Same could be said of any language. Honestly, I'm amazed at people who can speak 2 or more languages. It's really a testament as to how hard they work to get to that level of fluency.
>>342855960
>If you took me on my first day and hid me in a cupboard for a month
And that's exactly what I'm saying. If you cram something in your memory for a few hours and never have any exposure to it again in any form, you will forget it. Why are you so hostile over this?
>>342856127
>English
>Hard to learn
>>342856048
Yeah no, Japan a shit. Anyone who lived in Japan, including the Japanese, know this.
>suicide rates through the roof
>work hours that even Americucks cringe at
>they're literally going the way of the panda
>if you're not a full-blooded jap you're basically an untouchable (even 3rd-gen Koreans get shit on even though they look Japanese and only speak Japanese)
>>342855939
>3+4+2+8+5+5+9+3+9 = 48
Time to get your kimono, David-kun
>>342856372
English is tough because of all the exceptions it has to its grammar.
>>342856282
>>342856372
Your stupid perfect progressive, past future perfects, perfect future asshole progressive simple and bullshit like that.
Also every noun having like 3 forms.
>>342856372
Not the same anon
English has retarded pronouncing. Also grammar doesn't seem to have any rules without fuckloads of expections and special cases.
>>342856372
The grammar and certain pronunciations of words.
>>342856403
m8, are you joking?
For a non-native, English is a clusterfuck worse than kanji.
>>342851949
Well you can mock Swedes in their native language
>>342856656
*verb
>>342855648
Typically koreans are more willing to accept foreigners quicker.
A large part of it is the reason why most of the foreigners are there, for japs its because they lost a war and can't be trusted with a real millitary.
For koreans it's because they got help for their military.
It shows off in how they treat you, especially in older generations.
>>342856406
>suicide rates through the roof
It's been trending down annually.
>work hours that even Americucks cringe at
With excessively well paid hours paired with a smaller cost of living.
>they're literally going the way of the panda
What?
>if you're not a full-blooded jap you're basically an untouchable (even 3rd-gen Koreans get shit on even though they look Japanese and only speak Japanese)
What? I've lived here 6 years and have had two girlfriends, both affluent and held a full time, well paying job for 4 and a half of those 6 years. The only foreigners I see that get shit here from middle/younger aged people are the spergs that can't conduct themselves or act appropriately in the society.
>>342856372
Not that guy, but general inconsistencies in pronunciation of letters, shitloads of exceptions when it comes to rules.
Also I learned the language through general exposure to the point where I feel as comfortable speaking it as my own and can consider myself fluent. Yet despite all of this I apparently am completely clueless when it comes to the tenses (past perfect, present perfect continuous, past imperfect but still continuous, etc.)
>>342856705
Im portuguese and I have never in my life had any trouble with it.
It has always been my best subject
>>342854632
>Being this stupid
>>342856583
Rather, because of all the documented exceptions. The basic language (british textbook English) they teach worldwide isn't any different from most other european languages. But then you are thrown into the real world and nothing you've been taught actually works. Just like with Japanese, other languages, and basically anything else you are taught ever.
>>342856629
>300 confirmed kanji
I know it's the pasta but
>take a class
>get kanji book
>BASIC KANJI
>500 kanji inside
Just fuck me while you're at it
I'll just leave this here.
>>342856656
A Chinese girl once told me names were the hardest thing for her to comprehend as far as English goes. A Swedish girl told me it was our phrases, and an Indian guy told me it was our jokes. English a superior alien race language, truly unknowable.
>>342856786
>What?
He means birth rates, which are probably out-dated by that one chart that used to make its rounds.
>>342856629
>中出しの喜び
>>342856786
>panda way
Probably upside down birth pyramid
>>342856972
English confirmed best language.
>>342856786
>>they're literally going the way of the panda
Ageing population with a mass of young men who are scared of fucking.
>>suicide rates through the roof
>It's been trending down annually.
They are using the method with a shitton of collateral damage though (the H2S one)
>>342856939
>being so new you don't even know navy seal
god damn
>>342857041
No, the birth rate is abysmal and the aged demographics is a problem, but it'll be fine given the automation of the industrial sector. It's just ripples from the economic bubble.
>>342856705
>>342856583
Slav here, I argee. English is a clusterfuck of tenses and grammatical stupidity. Russian, with a few minor exceptions, is built upon ironclad rules, once you learn them you can at least start reading, the rest is experience and practice. English in comparison is full of vaguness and arbitrary rules, when you put stuff like "should've have had been" in sentences you know its fucked.
>Tfw I'm actually doing a pretty good job remembering kanji
Too bad I'm terrible at learning grammar in any language
>>342857161
Dude I already said "pasta" what else do you want?make a new, relevant edit for a reply?
>>342857259
Do Tae Kim and Anki w/ the Core6k deck and you'll learn grammar easily.
>>342854131
The point about japanese people liking to laugh at you is so fucking ture
I don't know why they have to be so fucking smug over pronouncing something wrong in their dead ass language
I find foreign language threads comfy as fuck for some reason
>>342856406
>suicide rates through the roof
The suicide rates in my country put Japan to shame
>work hours that even Americucks cringe at
That you at least get paid for. At least they're not a country that has to survive off 350 euros a month with 0 hour contracts and German-tier prices
>they're literally going the way of the panda
Just like white people then
>>342857456
/int/ is comfy as shit.
Even the hostile country banter is fun.
>>342856857
Yeah but let's face it, school English is nothing as far as difficulty level goes.
I've breezed through it just by playing some vidya.
>>342857394
Worth a shot. I started with Genki though so I'm gonna finish that up first, I'll use Tae Kim to get more practice in after that
>>342857452
>on HelloTalk trying to practice my Japanese with natives
>(笑) You talk like a child, anon
I don't remember why I started learning, but it's been over a year, and it would feel like a waste to stop now
>>342857643
I was better than all my teachers throughout school too
>>342857041
Birthrates in many first world countries are pretty low. It's a result of many different factors. Japan just doesn't have a lot of immigration to keep it up.
>tfw when I use English more on a daily basis than my country's language because nobody to talk to
>>342857905
>Japan just doesn't have a lot of immigration
Immigration isn't the problem, Sven.
NEET/hikki culture and the increasing disinterest in slags and the family life are.
I start my uni course this october. Excited as fuck for it.
I should really study some on my own but my shitty job leaves me with no energy most days.
>>342857945
I still don't have the balls to get on one of those online talk things and practice conversational stuff.
>>342856127
English is easy as fuck because it's fucking everywhere, and every part of it is possible to be learned through immersion. You can't learn kanji through immersion, meaning it actually takes effort to learn rather than just playing video games and reading books.
>>342857849
Embrace the nip bullying, anon.
Each w should be inspiration to get better.
>>342854809
>専攻は日本語
シギディギ
>>342858117
And if your own language alrady uses alphabet, reading the words is not hard
>>342858315
>come to Ireland in third grade
>get some writing assigment
>want to write "because"
>bikaz
>>342851949
Forced Swedish is what made me drop out of uni. I wasn't really enjoying what I was studying there to begin with but I could have managed if I didn't have to study a third language that I had zero interest in studying.
I believe this is why most of us Finns hate Swedes.
>>342858494
That's why you read them first before you try to write them yourself
>>342857527
>Just like white people then
Britain is waking up. Trump is doing somewhat well. There's hope Japan will side with the good guys this time, too.
>>342858315
Ghoti
>>342848698
I'm in the process, and planning to enroll in a Jap course next year at uni. More interested in reading/writing/understanding than speaking the language though.
>>342858267
>シギディギ
Probably the one and only time that meme has amused me in any way
>Learning a language from a tiny idland nation
Learn something useful like Russian or Spanish you idiots. It's easier and you'll actually use it in day to day life and Vidya.
>>342858781
>US
>doing well
>next generation whites will literally be a minority because minority births now outnumber white births
Yeah man, haha. Japan sure is the one with the birthrate problem.
At least half the immigrants in UK are Polish so once the brits die out at least it's going to result in a racewar.
>>342848698
>hiragana
>>342849524
>used to
they still do
to the point that they still ask foreigners to write just to have a couple of orgasms
>>342859054
>Russian
>useful
If cykas produced anything of value beyond literature sure.
But Japs have a fuck ton of content so it's worth it if you like it.
