Tell me /v/ why aren't you learning Japanese?
http://store.steampowered.com/app/438270/
>>342848698
You can learn kana in a single day.
>>342848698
>paying for this
>when you can just spend 2-3 hours on realkana.com and learn both hiragana and katakana
>>342848826
This.
Max 2 weeks if you're a lazy fucker like me
It's the easiest part anyway
>>342848698
Because hiragana only takes a couple of days and if you're fucking stupid enough to pay money to learn it you shouldn't even be alive.
>kana learning game
>made in rpg maker
>using default art assets
just use http://realkana.com/ like a normal person
>>342848698
Because learning the alphabet is the least difficult part of learning a language
>>342848698
But I am.
>>342848698
>not even learning the most basic kanji
流石な
>learned all kana last year at uni
>can easily read any kana or write using keyboard
>find it fucking impossible to recall several kana when writing by hand
Fucking shit
I learned kana fucking years ago, its a piece of piss, and I'm slow as shit with this stuff.
>>342849224
I just starting to get into kanji and I have the same problem
Everything makes sense in context, but when I have to write it myself, hoo boy
>>342849224
Handwriting is an important part of learning a language's alphabet, and japs used to worship calligraphy.
>>342848698
just get anki for free, dunkass
>kana
>anything close to learning japanese
dont fall for it lads. Kana is just the application of lube. The kanji dildo is worse than any dragon dildo you ever shoved up your ass
>>342849524
it's literally completely irrelevant if all you want to do is play japanese video games
>B-B-BUT I'M GOING TO GO TO JAPAN AND BECOME JAPANESE AND GO TO A JAPANESE HIGH SCHOOL
>>342849702
t. obese american who can't tell the difference between their there they're
>>342849059
>iphone only
why
>>342849858
>AND GO TO A JAPANESE HIGH SCHOOL
is that projection, you know this is an 18+ site right? please leave
>>342849702
No, I'm a sad fuck who masturbates to the voice of a 30+ year old Asian woman mimicking teenagers' voices
>muh kana is so easy
yes, we get it, literally everyone before you has said that it's piss easy, same thing with the korean alphabet.
it's the kanji that takes a lot of time to get comfortable with.
>>342850001
that's exactly what weebs like you think is going to happen
>I LEARNED TO WRITE JAPANESE, NOW I CAN GO TO A JAPANESE HIGH SCHOOL AND BECOME ANIME
>>342850086
muh nigga, and lets be real here those 30-40 year old japs looks fucking amazing for their age
>>342849702
There's no reason to learn anything besides English. Besides personal interest in a particular language.
>>342848698
>Gūguru de kore o hon'yaku shimasu koko no hitobito /v/ arimasu
>>342850157
>weebs like you
>Tell me /v/ why aren't you learning Japanese?
I think you might be in the wrong place
>>342850190
not him
but u right
>>342850209
i'm kinda glad i can speak fluent english
>>342850157
>he thinks there aren't any people who only take solaces in the convines of waifus
Go away and take your shitty real life gook shit with you. The only worth while thing this world has to offer is traditional food
>>342850157
whew this summer is really heating up
>>342848698
Fan translations, also I typically only play older games where writing doesn't matter. Unless like jrpgs or VNs there isn't a real reason to give a shit.
>>342848698
the gameplay is shit. literally, rpg battles that consist of matching a kana with a syllable in romaji sounds boring and repetitive. I've literally had more fun putting realkana in speed mode and seeing how fast i can reach 100.
>>342849879
t. Anon who can't do the same
>>342849702
>t. faggot who wastes his time posting on a video game board, playing video games, and doing other pointless shit that does nothing but keep him entertained, complaining about people pursuing knowledge that would further help them enjoy the things that keep them entertained
What are you suggesting, everyone just stop what they're doing and just do everything they can to make as much money as possible, because that's the only objective worth in society? Or is it getting laid? Because if either is the case then fuck off out of here and start with yourself.
Why does the Jap alphabet not make any sense?
Not to mention that they have symbols for syllables instead of actual letters like every normal language in existence but each group ending with the same vowel has absolutely no connection between them.
>>342850157
How the fuck would I go to a high school if I already graduated you dense fuck?
>>342850576
some syllables in english are a single letter, it's not that odd if you think about it without too much bias.
>>342850190
I'd say I'd genuinely let her rape me, but it's not rape if I enjoy it
>>342850576
It doesn't make any sense because you're trying to apply the logic of other alphabets to it. A writing system is just a bunch of symbols you need to memorize. Stop thinking so hard about it.
I've been fucking with Japanese for some time and for some reason katakana still won't stick in my mind, just because its not really used as much.
>>342850702
>>342850001
>weebs getting mad as fuck after getting called out
>>342850140
isn't korean easier to learn than japanese, but only by a small margin? or is it just harder in different areas?
>>342850576
>like every normal language in existence
>being this ignorant of human history yet making such sweeping statements with such confidence
Jesus Christ /v/ you're an embarrassment. It's hilarious how you go on with your hate for weeaboos because of their lack of culture and self awareness while being the very embodiment of that yourselves.
>>342850576
How fucking retarded are you? Their kana are single letters for their language. They don't have a single g, all they have are ga, gi, gu, ge, go. Even if you need two roman symbols to describe the sounds, in their language they are the most atomic particles you could need to describe all the sounds their words make.
>>342848698
It doesn't fit in with my uni lecture scheduleyetand I need some kind of framework to start so I won't get discouraged quickly.
>>342850980
>learning korean
>>342848698
because you dont need some shitty steam game to learn hiragana, and i've already past that level months ago
>>342850915
シンジツ
>>342851090
i was just asking a question man, whether or not it's useful to learn is up to me
>>342850576
>each group ending with the same vowel has absolutely no connection between them.
i think that's because, rather than building their writing system from the ground up, they adapted the Chinese system to suit their needs.
>>342851058
That's what I'm fucking saying. Why not have just a symbol for a,i,o,e,o which they have and a single symbol for 'g' instead of 5 extra unrelated symbols.
>>342850946
>tells people who are past the age of secondary education that they're just learning a language because they fantasise to enter a secondary school in a different country
>gets called a retard for making projections that don't even make sense
>lol u mad
나는 도리어 한국어를 배우고 있다.
>>342850915
Same here. Hiragana was easy as hell and I learned it on two days. Katakana on the other hand is way too boring. It's literally learning the same shit twice.
>>342850915
>>342851206
>keep reading パソコン as パンコン
God, how embarassing
>>342851237
Because the sound 'g' doesn't fucking exist in any of their words. What you are proposing is an abstraction that isn't intuitive at all unless you're learning from the perspective of someone that already knows another alphabet that works that way.
>>342851024
I don't hate weebs you fucking weeb so please don't pretend that most languages today don't operate the way I said.
I know 3 for example with moon hopefully being the 4th soon.
>>342851237
Because that'd increase the number of characters they'd need to write.
>>342851428
>today == all of history
>western languages == all languages
japanese is a meme language
>>342851420
Well that's the explanation I was looking for.
So you are saying that they don't have words that read like 'great' for example but rather 'gureito' or something?
>>342851530
So tell me, what languages except Asian operate like that?
>>342851536
>not French
>>342851620
Not that guy, but yeah that's how it works
Is this the daily "guys go to japan they worship white people" meme thread where people ask where to go in Akihabara and talk about how you should learn radicals and talk about how easy Japanese is when they're sub N2 and prove they're not spergs by using totallynonspergy shit like ore/omae wa?
>>342851620
Yes, that's also part of why they fucking suck at pronouncing english. The only sound they have that isn't accompanied by what we'd call a vowel is the n, written as ん.
>>342851620
>gureito
That's literally it: グレート/gurēto
>>342848826
>>342849014
While it is true, this "game" is actually pretty nice to learn because requires 0 effort.
>Be Finnish
>Forced to study Swedish for five years plus some courses in uni
>Can't speak for shit in Swedish because you don't ever need to use such bullshit language anywhere
Speaking of useless shit
>RPG maker shit
>paying for kanas that you can learn in 3 days for free
>>342851918
if 0 effort is all you're willing to put in, then learning a second language is not for you.
Give me a single reason to learn japanese besides weeb stuff
>>342852009
>3 days
It shouldn't take you more than an hour to learn Hiragana and Katakana. It shouldn't take you more than a day to be able to write them from memory, this is literal baby shit.
>>342848698
Because I have no desire to learn the language of a place I have no desire to go to.
>>342851918
I don't know man, going to websites like japaneseclass.jp is also pretty effortless.
You could even got some interesting tidbits in Tae Kim
>>342849926
It's not. Look harder.
>>342851731
http://www.omniglot.com/writing/syllabaries.htm
http://www.omniglot.com/writing/semanto-phonetic.php
http://www.omniglot.com/writing/syllabic.htm
http://www.omniglot.com/writing/undeciphered.htm
Wow, who would have thought that there's been more than one or even two writing systems in human history and that the European standard isn't some standard that has been used by everyone forever before the dumb Japanese came along. Shit, if only there was some internet system that let you search information on subjects like these so you wouldn't have to spew dumb ignorant shit and make yourself look like an idiot.
>>342849827
This. Kanji is so hard that even the nips have problems with it.
>want to learn japanese because i can't wait for yakuza kiwami and want to play the other games in the series that were never localized, among other things
>want to learn korean because i watch too many of their damn movies
fuck
>>342852279
>even the nips have problems with it
Most Japanese people can read and write 10,000 Kanji if they're well educated, so no.
>>342848698
>have books and programs for German, Italian and Japanese that have been lying around for almost a decade
>never used them and half-assed my way through 2 years of spanish in high school
I probably should get around to it some day. The German and Japanese programs re neat because they make little games out of memorizing words, spelling and pronounciation
>>342850576
Most asian languages work like Japanese though.
>>342852096
Depends on what your interests are. If you're really interested in a particular aspect of a foreign culture, you learn that language. If you really want to move to or work in a certain country, you learn their language.
Don't fall for the "learn this language for more business prospects" meme. Any company worth working for will hire English speaking employees. You're already set.
>>342851949
>Implying it won't be useful when you're applying for a job in the occupation regime.
ISHYGDDT
>>342852096
learning any new language is a good idea because it expands your horizons in all facets of life.
>>342852371
Baby steps anon, baby steps. Make priority list and might as well just do it instead of not doing anything
>>342852387
>write 10k
Unless you're talking about writing on a computer rather than handwriting, that's bullshit. Give me a source.
>>342852114
>It shouldn't take you more than an hour to learn Hiragana and Katakana
placing something in your short term memory =! learning, you goddamn idiot. Anyone who says "lol lernd kana in a day" is a dumbass weeb who is trying to show off how hardcore japanese he is without having any idea how retention of knowledge and the human mind works. You're like some old fart who just discovered how to use a computer yet has absolutely no understanding of what the difference between RAM and hard drive space is.
>>342852486
When that time comes, you'll need Arabic.
>>342848698
Because I'm an idiot and can't learn another language if I tried
>>342852239
Ok, you've convinced me I was wrong but I still think it's needlessly complicated and just inflates the character count.
>>342852387
Sure they can, but they still confuse them and they don't finish learning them all until high school.
>>342852096
You'll be a more educated person.
>>342852371
To be fair anon, both of those languages are really fucking difficult, so you can start with either one. Maybe one will make the other one easier to learn.
It's really a case of what this anon said >>342852547
Just start on a language and keep at it. It's important to be consistent and to make progress every time you hunker down to learn some shit. Just like uni. But this time, you're trying to enjoy it.
>>342850209
>There's no reason to learn anything besides English. Besides personal interest in a particular language.
Actually there is not reason to learn anything other than your country native languages
>>342852575
If you can't remember symbols in your long term memory after an hour you should probably just kill yourself, you're never going to learn Japanese. I've got the N1 and I learn Kanji after seeing them twice, excluding the compounds obviously.
Don't project your idiocy on other people. You're the type of idiot that'd use a shit program like Wanikani or Memrise.
>>342852484
>Any company worth working for will hire English speaking employees.
I've never this'd a post this hard
>>342852668
Take a class anon. Maybe you just need that weekly push and consistencies
>>342852575
You could learn it in a day though, or at least one of the kanas, but it would take you all day.
>>342852096
You would be able to mock weaboos in japanese.
>>342848698
Because it's a useless language.
>>342852668
self-deprecation is a slippery as fuck slope, stop it while you're ahead.
>>342848698
Been doing it for three years. Even get official translation jobs from time to time. I've done like, 20 of those in the last year. Also been playing games in Nip almost exclusively for nearly two years, though I think I'm starting to burn out a bit. My Japanese is getting better, but I still have to look stuff up and that adds up after nearly two years.
>>342848698
Because i'm to busy trying to learn korean.
I'm in this country for the next 2.5 years, so I might as well.
Only problem Is I apparently suck at learning languages. Come to think of it I did suffer from a speech impediment early on, and always had trouble with writing, so my mind must not be wired right to learn languages quickly.
>>342853047
Best reason.
>>342852575
I've stopped telling people this, but yeah, you're absolutely right. It pisses me off just a little bit whenever people talk about learning the kana in a few hours when it'll then take them as long to read any text. The word learning is fucking pointless if we're not talking about full internalization.
>>342852835
Unless you have a photographic memory from childhood, that seems very unlikely to have been the case at the start of your learning. Now that you're N1 level, sure, you've gotten accustomed to memorizing kanji and you have all kinds of shortcuts in place that you unconsciously use, but you likely couldn't fluently read hiragana after looking at them for an hour. Even after that hour you gradually learned them through reading lots of different things.
Does anybody have a .pdf for "Learning the Kanji"?
>>342852835
>If you can't remember symbols in your long term memory after an hour
This is everyone on planet earth who isn't a savant. People forget things over time if they don't repeat them. Especially some arbitrary set of symbols.
>>342852835
>"I'm so smart" the post.
Maybe you have good visual memory. It would take a bit more for regular people. I mean you can remember kanas fairly easy if you take the time, but most people would forgot most of them the next day if they don't review them.
>>342853112
Good stuff m8. At least you started unlike me who can't decide between Japanese and Korean.
Are the people here, who say that they learned hiragana in just two days, in their teens or early twenties?
Good luck you little shits
>>342853162
You mean "Remembering the Kanji"? That thing is a horrid way to learn kanji.
>>342853251
I'm 33 and I learned hiragana in a day. Took about 3 days for Katakana.
>>342853131
I don't have a photographic memory, I sat down for an hour, grinded the Hiragana and Katakana and could read them instantly. It's not difficult, just sit down and do it. People sit down, do it for 5 minutes, go and watch a YouTube video or something, do it for 5 minutes again, etc.
>>342853193
No shit you're going to forget them if you don't see them for a month when you start, but you should be able to instantly read Hiragana without pause after an hour.
>>342853221
Then they're dumb and should give up now, because there is absolutely zero chance of them completing the Core2k let alone the 6k.
>this thread
Well, STALKER got me into learning Cyrillic alphabet. I can still sound most words out, but I have no idea what they mean. Or how to use grammar right.
I guess I'll try Hirigana at least so I can read words without knowing vocab.ь, ы, and ъ still confuse me
>>342852835
You're a fucking idiot and literally all of biology disagrees with you. The brain subconsciously discards knowledge that it deems useless, and knowledge that you've only exposed yourself to for an hour and then don't return to is useless. Repetition is the most important part of a learning process. Go pick up a book on biology instead of trying to act tough despite spewing absolutely horsearse you tard.
>>342852954
A day of continuous learning might be enough for long-term memory. Definitely not working-memory though.
>>342853131
>>342853251
I'm 30 and I learned hiragana and katakana in like a month or so with work and stuff, I found much easier to learn hiragana first and then katakana, since they both have similarities
I personally recommend using nukemarine's playlist to learn the hiragana first
https://www.youtube.com/playlist?list=PL2A25F7399E8805ED
How do you even learn a language? How did I learn English? I remember having to take several years of Spanish in my K-12 education, and all I can do with that language is count to three, say hello, and say that I can't speak Spanish. I took 4 years of Latin and it all started tumbling down in my 4th year while trying to translate the Aeneid, I barely know any Latin now other than words that are obvious because English words came from them.
>>342848698
Because I tried to and lost. I admitted to myself that I don't have the will to do it shortly after passing N3.
>>342853724
You did the right thing, japanese is useless anyway.
>>342852835
I don't know how you can learn 80+ characters, that seem completely alien at first and have really delicate differences between some of them in a hour unless you are some kind of genius with photographic memory.
So either you are one and showing off or you're just lying.
>>342853619
>act tough
By knowing a language competently enough to speak on the standards of learning it. Sorry that your subhuman monkey brain can't pick up symbols properly, but if after an hour you can't recognize things instantly and remember them the next day you're literally never going to learn Japanese. Give up like every other pathetic foreigner that handwaves hardwork with meme exercises like using anime for "listening practice" and Wanikani.
>>342848698
If they made this game for kanji it might actually be useful
kana literally takes a couple hours tops, it's piss easy and only requires rote memory rather than any convoluted gamification
>>342853572
>I guess I'll try Hirigana at least so I can read words
Gonna need kanji for that, dude
>>342853685
The best way to learn a language is to get dropped into the middle of a culture of native speakers so that you're constantly in the midst of it.
You won't learn anything if you take a bunch of classes or whatever and never use it outside that short timeframe
>>342853685
You just do
Obligatory
>>342853685
>how do you even learn a language
the internet
>how did i learn english
because you were exposed to it from your parents and people close to you at an early age.
unless you are raised as a chink with knowledge of characters do not bother trying to learn japanese
t. former weeaboo
>>342853453
Fuck off you stupid cunt. I'll prove you wrongsomeday.
>>342849858
Writing helps a lot with memorization.
Not to sound like a shill, but for beginners I recommend subscribing to Yuta's newsletter, he goes over basic but really helpful stuff and the comment section of each video is great since people comment on it and correct eachother
for example, on this video he goes explaining the entire conversation of 2 man insulting eachother using the word 'you'
http://www.yutaaoki.com/blog/jwy-real-japanese-you?utm_source=ActiveCampaign&utm_medium=email&utm_content=How+to+insult+Japanese+people++by+using++you&utm_campaign=JWY%3A+how+to+insult++you
>>342854131
>taking a major to learn Japanese
>not doing it in your spare time and still reaching conversational/professional status
haha enjoy that nojob
>>342853813
You're so fucking stupid it hurts. Educate yourself.
http://www.human-memory.net/
Reminder that if you're doing something that isn't just Tae Kim + Anki, end your own life and give up because you're literally never going to learn Japanese.
>>342854131
pretty good pic
I tried learning Japanese and I got pretty far for a years worth of learning, can make out most sentences even if I don't know the kanji, but holy shit, its such a useless language. Its not good for any real world application. Spanish and Arabic are the two most important secondary languages now, its better to learn one of those.
>>342854131
At least these "politeness levels" also applies to my local languages. Not to that extreme, but it's not hard to understand why they do it
>>342854131
That is the most retarded picture i saw this month
Fuck you and the guy who made this.
>>342852371
As someone who's taking a Japanese class at university and fucking with Korean in my spare time, I found Korean to be much quicker to learn in terms of its alphabet and writing system. The grammar is fucked though, for both. Korean is a very tonal language, some sounds are downright guttural if you want to be specific.
>>342848698
I actually bought this. Will try it later.
>>342854632
It's satire.
>>342854534
>some over 50 retard making a poorly written page is the end all, be all of "memory" guidelines
Did you even proof read your own page you mongoloid?
>>342854564
I thought Spanish and Mandarin were the two most important ones
>>342854564
Why Arabic exactly?
こんばんは!私はメアリーさんです。二年生です。私の専攻は日本語です。はじめまして!オナニーをしましょうか?
>>342854809
fuck off mary stop greeting me every goddamn day, put out that smoke too you stupid cunt
don't make give Santos your number again.
>>342854809
Fuck you too
>>342850086
back to the voicethread.
>>342854809
>using -san when introducing yourself
Go away skinchanger, what'd you do with Mary?
>>342854564
Eh, I guess for job opportunities maybe. Spanish, English, Mandarin, and maybe, I don't know, French and German? They're probably the best for that, but it's really up to the individual. I have many more uses for Japanese than any of them (except English). I'd like to study Chinese as well as it seems kinda interesting, but likely will not because I have absolutely no uses for it at all.
>>342848698
Because I already know hiragana from highschool and it's fucking easy to learn without wasting money on something like this.
>>342853685
Immersion, that's all you need. I fucking sucked at Latin my first three years, but when we got to the fun stuff (like reading the Aeneid) I got my ass into gear and just read a fucking bunch. Immersion is how you learned English, your native language if it isn't English, and how you could learn any other language.
Unless that language has thousands of arbitrary symbols, that makes it a bit harder. Still, if you spend 10 years just reading shit with furigana you'll probably end up learning a bunch of kanji as well.
>>342854979
What if her name is marysan?
>>342854735
Mandarin is pretty important as well.
>>342854795
Mudslimes are the Mexicans of Europe.
>>342854709
I just gave you a starting point to get you to understand at least a little how the human mind works. You could have wikipedia if you'd like
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Memory
Or any of the pages it references that can be found at the bottom, in the case that you're one of those retards who thinks it has 0 reliability because it can be edited.
Regardless of where you read up, your retarded bragging goes against the common conceptions that are outlined in pretty much any page that you could find on the internet or a page of any written book.
>>342854954
To the what now?
After 10 years I still cannot speak english properly, learning 3rd language would unrealistic. And if I did it would probably be french for its literary heritage, not retarded weeb shit
>>342854735
Mandarin is vastly overrated in importance, unless you actually want to live in China. And why the fuck would you. All business dealings with Chinese companies are conducted in English.
Not that I agree with the poster you quoted though. Arabic is useless as well. Spanish might have some use as a foreign language for Americans.
>>342854809
Even though this is shit tier, incorrect Japanese:
Good evening, I'm Mary. I'm in highschool. Japanese language is my major. Pleased to meet you, do you want to use me as an onahole?
>>342855096
>living in Yurop
oops
>>342854131
>the Latin roots "Holi" and "Causm" meaning to major in Japanese
>>342854131
>Reason One: It's Too Hard
Top fucking kek, a casual thinks he has a say on /v/ of all the places on the internet.
EOPs are sometimes almost cute in how irredeemably pathetic they are.
>>342855197
Gotcha.
>>342855113
You poor poor innocent child.
Welcome to the fold.
>>>/h/4311930
>>342855305
It's a satire article lifted from an old website.
>>342848698
>hiragana
That's like learning a, b, c and ü and claiming I know german.
>>342854635
Who are meaner to gaijins, the Koreans or the Japanese?
I can't really say since I've never visited those countries in-depth, only their airports.
>>342853572
ь - called soft sign. It's to make a somewhat drawn out sound in the middle or end of the word.
For example тeнь (shadow). Without it it would read like "ten" in english and with it it sounds something like "ten-ye"
ъ - hard sign. same but to indicated sharp stops.
For example oбъeкт (object). Without it it would read 'obekt' and with it it's read as 'obyekt'
ы - doesn't really have an analog in English.
Used in words like pыбa (fish).
It's best you go and hear some pronunciations of words with those letters because it's really hard to explain in text.
>>342854131
well at the very least that was funny to read. drags on a bit though.
>>342853469
>No shit you're going to forget them if you don't see them for a month when you start
If you stopped using and seeing English for the next month you would still remember all of it. That's generally what people mean when they say something is "learnt". I've been out of school for several months now and I could still do most of the math I was exposed to in that time. The stuff I can't do is the stuff I crammed for a few hours for an exam and never touched again.
So no, you did not "learn" kana in an hour. You temporarily memorized it in an hour to be able to start reading meaningful things to properly retain the symbols. How long is temporary? Depends on the person. But temporary memorization by itself is not meaningful learning.
>>342855559
Satire still holds some truth in it. That's why its satire and not a parody.
>>342854795
You're going to need it in about 10 years if you're going to Europe :^)
Are there any video games that are written in just hiragana so I can practice my hiragana vocab? or should i just not try too hard with that and jump into kanji asap
>>342855452
Holy mother of all-night long orgy, anon. Why did I never think to go to /h/?
Thanks a bunch
>>342848698
>its a turn based RPG
Sounds like shit, not the gameplay that I would want to learn with.
I remember being a little kid and learning english with a game though, I wish I remembered the name.
It was a platformer where you had to just go around finding blocks with pictures and the corresponding block with the english word, or something close to that.
>Learning only to play Weeb shit and Yakuza games
>Dont give a fuck about Japan or its people since there all pricks
I pity delusional retards who think Japan and its people are happy go lucky.
even: I learn Japanese
odd: I learn a computer language instead
>>342848698
I honestly feel like playing video games and exercising for all of my spare time
don't feel like making any room for Japanese learning
>>342855773
Most games intended for children. I think the newer Pokemon games allow you to switch between normal script, which includes kanji, and only kana.
>>342855702
When I learned English, which was my second language, I didn't forget English letters the next day, week or month. If you took me on my first day and hid me in a cupboard for a month, maybe, but I was learning it casually and never forgot it. I don't have a photographic memory, I just put in the time with studies.
So yes, I did "learn" kana in an hour. Stop projecting your inabilities onto other people, you should just admit to yourself that your brain is too slow to properly process symbols and try and fix it. Otherwise, let the reality that you'll never be able to read Japanese sink in and get over it.
>>342848826
Took me more than a day before my penmanship wasn't complete shit.
>>342853572
ы is basically the sound you make when you're doing that dry heave before the flood gates burst.
>>342855648
I'd say Koreans but their english is better than the Japanese tbqh.
To be fair, if anyone is still learning Korean, why?
>>342855939
you made the right choice gambler
>>342855847
t. somebody who has literally never lived in Japan.
>learning a language that a native Japanese will never use in conversation with Baka Gaijin Waito Piggu
>not learning Mandarin Chinese instead
shiggy diggy
English is harder to learn than japanese.
t. Spanish speaker
>>342853453
I'm going to learn to read nip just to prove this smug cunt wrong
>"て form is too hard!"
>>342854131
>somebody has wasted their time to make this
>>342856127
Maybe it is, but most people are exposed to it from an early age.
>>342848698
No thanks id rather die
>>342856127
What makes English so hard to learn? I have no business in answering this since English is my native and only language.
>>342856008
>why learn Korean
Same could be said of any language. Honestly, I'm amazed at people who can speak 2 or more languages. It's really a testament as to how hard they work to get to that level of fluency.
>>342855960
>If you took me on my first day and hid me in a cupboard for a month
And that's exactly what I'm saying. If you cram something in your memory for a few hours and never have any exposure to it again in any form, you will forget it. Why are you so hostile over this?
>>342856127
>English
>Hard to learn
>>342856048
Yeah no, Japan a shit. Anyone who lived in Japan, including the Japanese, know this.
>suicide rates through the roof
>work hours that even Americucks cringe at
>they're literally going the way of the panda
>if you're not a full-blooded jap you're basically an untouchable (even 3rd-gen Koreans get shit on even though they look Japanese and only speak Japanese)
>>342855939
>3+4+2+8+5+5+9+3+9 = 48
Time to get your kimono, David-kun
>>342856372
English is tough because of all the exceptions it has to its grammar.
>>342856372
Your stupid perfect progressive, past future perfects, perfect future asshole progressive simple and bullshit like that.
Also every noun having like 3 forms.
>>342856372
Not the same anon
English has retarded pronouncing. Also grammar doesn't seem to have any rules without fuckloads of expections and special cases.
>>342856372
The grammar and certain pronunciations of words.
>>342856403
m8, are you joking?
For a non-native, English is a clusterfuck worse than kanji.
>>342851949
Well you can mock Swedes in their native language
>>342856656
*verb
>>342855648
Typically koreans are more willing to accept foreigners quicker.
A large part of it is the reason why most of the foreigners are there, for japs its because they lost a war and can't be trusted with a real millitary.
For koreans it's because they got help for their military.
It shows off in how they treat you, especially in older generations.
>>342856406
>suicide rates through the roof
It's been trending down annually.
>work hours that even Americucks cringe at
With excessively well paid hours paired with a smaller cost of living.
>they're literally going the way of the panda
What?
>if you're not a full-blooded jap you're basically an untouchable (even 3rd-gen Koreans get shit on even though they look Japanese and only speak Japanese)
What? I've lived here 6 years and have had two girlfriends, both affluent and held a full time, well paying job for 4 and a half of those 6 years. The only foreigners I see that get shit here from middle/younger aged people are the spergs that can't conduct themselves or act appropriately in the society.
>>342856372
Not that guy, but general inconsistencies in pronunciation of letters, shitloads of exceptions when it comes to rules.
Also I learned the language through general exposure to the point where I feel as comfortable speaking it as my own and can consider myself fluent. Yet despite all of this I apparently am completely clueless when it comes to the tenses (past perfect, present perfect continuous, past imperfect but still continuous, etc.)
>>342856705
Im portuguese and I have never in my life had any trouble with it.
It has always been my best subject
>>342854632
>Being this stupid
>>342856583
Rather, because of all the documented exceptions. The basic language (british textbook English) they teach worldwide isn't any different from most other european languages. But then you are thrown into the real world and nothing you've been taught actually works. Just like with Japanese, other languages, and basically anything else you are taught ever.
>>342856629
>300 confirmed kanji
I know it's the pasta but
>take a class
>get kanji book
>BASIC KANJI
>500 kanji inside
Just fuck me while you're at it
I'll just leave this here.
>>342856656
A Chinese girl once told me names were the hardest thing for her to comprehend as far as English goes. A Swedish girl told me it was our phrases, and an Indian guy told me it was our jokes. English a superior alien race language, truly unknowable.
>>342856786
>What?
He means birth rates, which are probably out-dated by that one chart that used to make its rounds.
>>342856629
>中出しの喜び
>>342856786
>panda way
Probably upside down birth pyramid
>>342856972
English confirmed best language.
>>342856786
>>they're literally going the way of the panda
Ageing population with a mass of young men who are scared of fucking.
>>suicide rates through the roof
>It's been trending down annually.
They are using the method with a shitton of collateral damage though (the H2S one)
>>342856939
>being so new you don't even know navy seal
god damn
>>342857041
No, the birth rate is abysmal and the aged demographics is a problem, but it'll be fine given the automation of the industrial sector. It's just ripples from the economic bubble.
>>342856705
>>342856583
Slav here, I argee. English is a clusterfuck of tenses and grammatical stupidity. Russian, with a few minor exceptions, is built upon ironclad rules, once you learn them you can at least start reading, the rest is experience and practice. English in comparison is full of vaguness and arbitrary rules, when you put stuff like "should've have had been" in sentences you know its fucked.
>Tfw I'm actually doing a pretty good job remembering kanji
Too bad I'm terrible at learning grammar in any language
>>342857161
Dude I already said "pasta" what else do you want?make a new, relevant edit for a reply?
>>342857259
Do Tae Kim and Anki w/ the Core6k deck and you'll learn grammar easily.
>>342854131
The point about japanese people liking to laugh at you is so fucking ture
I don't know why they have to be so fucking smug over pronouncing something wrong in their dead ass language
I find foreign language threads comfy as fuck for some reason
>>342856406
>suicide rates through the roof
The suicide rates in my country put Japan to shame
>work hours that even Americucks cringe at
That you at least get paid for. At least they're not a country that has to survive off 350 euros a month with 0 hour contracts and German-tier prices
>they're literally going the way of the panda
Just like white people then
>>342857456
/int/ is comfy as shit.
Even the hostile country banter is fun.
>>342856857
Yeah but let's face it, school English is nothing as far as difficulty level goes.
I've breezed through it just by playing some vidya.
>>342857394
Worth a shot. I started with Genki though so I'm gonna finish that up first, I'll use Tae Kim to get more practice in after that
>>342857452
>on HelloTalk trying to practice my Japanese with natives
>(笑) You talk like a child, anon
I don't remember why I started learning, but it's been over a year, and it would feel like a waste to stop now
>>342857643
I was better than all my teachers throughout school too
>>342857041
Birthrates in many first world countries are pretty low. It's a result of many different factors. Japan just doesn't have a lot of immigration to keep it up.
>tfw when I use English more on a daily basis than my country's language because nobody to talk to
>>342857905
>Japan just doesn't have a lot of immigration
Immigration isn't the problem, Sven.
NEET/hikki culture and the increasing disinterest in slags and the family life are.
I start my uni course this october. Excited as fuck for it.
I should really study some on my own but my shitty job leaves me with no energy most days.
>>342857945
I still don't have the balls to get on one of those online talk things and practice conversational stuff.
>>342856127
English is easy as fuck because it's fucking everywhere, and every part of it is possible to be learned through immersion. You can't learn kanji through immersion, meaning it actually takes effort to learn rather than just playing video games and reading books.
>>342857849
Embrace the nip bullying, anon.
Each w should be inspiration to get better.
>>342854809
>専攻は日本語
シギディギ
>>342858117
And if your own language alrady uses alphabet, reading the words is not hard
>>342858315
>come to Ireland in third grade
>get some writing assigment
>want to write "because"
>bikaz
>>342851949
Forced Swedish is what made me drop out of uni. I wasn't really enjoying what I was studying there to begin with but I could have managed if I didn't have to study a third language that I had zero interest in studying.
I believe this is why most of us Finns hate Swedes.
>>342858494
That's why you read them first before you try to write them yourself
>>342857527
>Just like white people then
Britain is waking up. Trump is doing somewhat well. There's hope Japan will side with the good guys this time, too.
>>342858315
Ghoti
>>342848698
I'm in the process, and planning to enroll in a Jap course next year at uni. More interested in reading/writing/understanding than speaking the language though.
>>342858267
>シギディギ
Probably the one and only time that meme has amused me in any way
>Learning a language from a tiny idland nation
Learn something useful like Russian or Spanish you idiots. It's easier and you'll actually use it in day to day life and Vidya.
>>342858781
>US
>doing well
>next generation whites will literally be a minority because minority births now outnumber white births
Yeah man, haha. Japan sure is the one with the birthrate problem.
At least half the immigrants in UK are Polish so once the brits die out at least it's going to result in a racewar.
>>342848698
>hiragana
>>342849524
>used to
they still do
to the point that they still ask foreigners to write just to have a couple of orgasms
>>342859054
>Russian
>useful
If cykas produced anything of value beyond literature sure.
But Japs have a fuck ton of content so it's worth it if you like it.
>>342859054
>Spanish
>Useful for video games
On what fucking planet?
>>342859054
>Learn something useful like Russian
t.Vladimir
>>342859054
>>342859054
Neither of those languages are any more or less useful to me than jap. And i love japanese a lot more.
>>342851354
Do you expect any fight from the generation that coined the term "I love haters"?
>>342858781
>there's hope Japan will side with the good guys this time, too
You mean the good guys that have installed military bases that house marines which rape at a rate per 100,000 comparable to the Congo? Nah.
>>342858749
>>342851949
Jesus, never knew you had it that bad.
Sorry for that, lads.
>>342857254
> Russian, with a few minor exceptions, is built upon ironclad rules
It's really not. Even if assume padezhi actually make sense and are not a huge clusterfuck which eternally trips up everyone besides natives (hint: they are) any other area of the language is built upon individual cases, we don't even have a "correct" universal order of words within sentences. And, oh, the spelling. Honestly, it's stupid to assume that Eastern Slavic languages do not rank close to the top of most difficult European languages.
>>342858781
Your >le meme wall man won't change the fact that 40% of your country is Hispanic. Even with your legal migrants, they're going to outnumber you.
>>342859054
>Russian
Only if you play ASSFAG, maybe
>>342848698
Why do Japanese games use the project m/earl Johnson/yakuza font?
>>342848698
Tempting.
>>342859247
Aren't they making VNs now, too?
>>342860253
Besides Akabur?
I have no idea.
I'd assume he's brought some attention to it.
>>342860253
Only Everlasting Summer. It's pretty goodI'm biased though, but there won't be anything of its caliber coming out anytime soon.
>>342860253
Not as good as the German ones :^)
Might as well ask here.
What's a better way to say 'take it deeper into your throat'? It's obvious what, but because of that swallow doesn't work, right?
>>342860623
>can't fuck everything
>random fail choices
>too much kraut/b humor
it could be better.
>>342854131
>You've eaten at a few Japanese retaurants
No I haven't
>seen some anime
Who hasn't?
>hosted an exchange student
No?
>had a Japanese girlfriend
When the fuck was that?
I just wanna learn Japanese so I can play certain games that don't make it to America and know a different language.
Fuck this shitty image.
Telling me lies about what I did with my life.
0/10 it's shit.
>>342860818
German here, used to lurk a lot there but it got stale soon
/int/ is pretty cosy tho
>>342858781
>Japan
>Ever siding with America
Don't you know they are xenophobics fucks? The last thing they want and care about are foreigners.
>>342860679
For what purpose do you need that, anon?
>>342851949
Yeah, the most important part of studying any language is your personal motivation. I barely managed to pass compulsory Swedish studies while passing JLPT N1 with only a few years of self studying and playing eroge erryday.
>>342860679
I saw ちゃんと咥えろ used in CM3D2's irrumatio scenes.
I tried learning japanese once. Too bad that I don't engage enough in japanese media to maintain what I learned.
Such is the pain of enjoying both japanese and western games.
>>342861017
If our interests are aligned, Japan will follow.
Same shit with Germany.
>>342861143
That sure worked out well with Bush :^)
>Already fluent in 2 languages
You're next, Japanese.
>>342860882
>I just wanna learn Japanese so I can play certain games that don't make it to America and know a different language.
Fucking this. Although I know enough to be able to playBuddyfight 3DSwithout too many problems.
>>342861216
what are you on about?
can't be fucked googling bush Japanese.
I'd rather learn French, but I keep giving up on it.
Maybe it's because I'm of French descent. If I wasn't I might be inclined to continue.
>learned hiragana and katakana about 2 years ago
>practiced by looking at untranslated h-manga/doujinshi on sadpanda
>studied some grammar a bit last year
>been going through Core 6k on Anki for the past 7 months
>at the point where I can understand quite a bit of those untranslated h-manga/doujinshi
>also can leave simple comments for my favorite artists on pixiv
Feels good man.
Hard to believe that not so long ago it was all just random symbols to me. I've made a lot more progress than I thought I would. Though to be honest the only reason I got this far was because of my penis.
i would, but i got no money to buy this game, so i got no effort to try
Reminder that if you do twenty reps a day you'll get over the kanji in a few months.
>>342861421
Why?
>muh culture is the shittiest reason ever
Are you going to actually use it for anything?
>>342861275
Which? How long did they take you?
>>342861420
>what are you on about?
If you don't know then you're too young to post here kid.
>>342861037
You don't even need to guess.
>>342861073
Sorry, I need the english version of it.もっと喉奥まで飲み込んでよコーデリアぁ ->
More throat inside to swallow Cordelia ->
Take it deeper inside your throat Cordelia ?
Swallow it deeper, Corderlia ?
Can you even use swallow if the object will not be fully swallowed, only up to a point.
>>342861426
Grats. I've been using the deck for about a month, but need to focus on applying vocab with grammar.
>>342861421
memrise is your friend.
>>342861545
> U.S. President George H.W. Bush fainted after vomiting at a banquet hosted by the then Prime Minister of Japan,
Oh right, click-bait tier """news""" I never heard about.
Why is Tae Kim's guide so fucking boring?
>>342861275
3 here. fite me.
>>342854131
>the japanese word for "you" translates to "I hope a monkey scratches your face off"
Hey that's actually accurate.
Even just あなた in the wrong context is about as bad as that. I've had people gasp when I use that word and think I'm being abrasive.
Is reading untranslated Vns with texthooker good practice?
>>342861943
Just use 君 all the time.
>>342857452
>>342857849
Japs just really, really want to hear you start calling them motherfuckers. they legit love hearing americans curse and talk shit
Visiting Tokyo for a week in July, what Vidya related things should I check out?
I don't actually know any Japanese, do know a couple thousand Chinese characters though.
>>342861943
Lithuanian is fucking weird with your (You)s too. If you're addressing someone formally you refer to them in the plural form. After spending many years in an English speaking country I still feel extremely weirded out by this despite being back for many years now.
>>342851428
You do realise that what you call "a letter" is such only because you see it as so.
For example "A", in English, sounds like "aye". Those are at least two distinct sounds.
So, you see: you're an idiot.
>>342861518
anon you missed the joke, but yesI love french art and animation, I want to work as a translator
>>342861663
hey thanks guy, that looks neat
>>342861143
And what are those interests exactly?
>>342862186
>do know a couple thousand Chinese characters though.
This will help since locations use kanji, so navigating should be quite simple for you
>>342862273
>I want to work as a translator
hope you like africa because that's the only place you're going to find work as a french translator
>>342862329
Who the fuck knows politically if WW3 would ever break out.
Merely just being on the side that won't fuck you up this time?
>>342862514
maybe I should reconsider my choices
>>342862613
>not wanting to bless the rains down in Africa
Are the Genki book and workbook good enuff?
>>342862613
don't let it discourage you from learning another language if you really wanted to learn it
just keep the career plans aware
>>342862514
Do they even know how to write there? Something tells me you'd be interpreting more.
>>342862267
Oh yeah then show me letters in English that make the ba, ka, wa ,da, etc sound.
>>342861508
reminder that rote memorization of kanji is a meme
http://www.guidetojapanese.org/blog/2014/06/23/you-cant-learn-kanji/
I know two at the moment. I am learning tagalog next. My girlfriend wants me to learn it so I can communicate with her family.
>>342862885
Are you retarded?
It's not that hard to get what he means.
>>342862514
What about Canada?
>>342862885
You're fucking retarded.
>>342862935
Tagalog is easy to learn; just let someone else make plans and then roll with them.
Boom, Tagalog master.
>>342863190
Sounds more like Tagalong to me, anon.
>>342862971
Are you?
It's not hard to get what I mean too.
If English followed the same system you'd get about 105 different character for each combination of sounds to make a "letter"
>>342862992
French is taught in highschool.
>>342862246
Depends on how long.
I came back, went to the bank and some fuck was "Tu"ing the staff. Still can't get used to that.
>>342863404
How can you miss his point so much?
In a sense English already follows the "same" system since letters aren't actually isolated sounds.
If it were we'd be using the fucking IPA.
>>342862541
So, no backup to your argument? As expected from Americans.
>>342862246
It's exactly the same in french
>>342852484
People hire mandarin speakers solely for the reason that they wouldn't have to deal with them.
>hiragana
Ayy i remember being 15 and writing a quiz program in BASIC that generated a random character and made you type the corresponding english syllable and looped it. Learned both Katakana and Hiragana in about 3 days total. Niggas thought i was going to be a super genius programmer. 11 years later turns out i'm still just a slightly above average autistic weeb
>>342863921
>making weeb quizzes instead of text adventure games
>>342862140
It should be
I remember learning English by reading subtitles on movies. Not only that but also using a dictionary when I didn't understand what a word meant.
>>342861426
>leave simple comments
良い !
>>342863604
But my whole original point was using a separate symbol to make a distinction between say de, da, do, di, du for each non vowel letter instead of just combining vowels with the letter.
Doesn't fucking matter which sound the actual letter makes in reality if you spend less characters overall to produce the same results.
Saying that A actually makes an aye sound when it's never even used like that separately.
korean is a meme language
Can you play JP games without menu translations, /v/?
>>342864264
Every language is a meme language
>>342864478
Yes
I'm trying. I got kana and radicals down, I just can't find motivation to study kanji, and I can't remember grammar. I can't learn Japanese.
>>342863297
I guess I'll make plans to steal lumber sometime.
>>342864207
>instead of just combining vowels with the letter.
They don't have the letters, you fucking idiot. They cannot have a combination of k and a, because they do not have a k. For fuck sakes, how can you be this goddamn stupid? It's like demanding the Russians just combine letters to make the ы sound despite the language having no individual sounds that could together make ы. Holy shit why the fuck are you this stupid? Another anon was asking the same thing you did, someone clearly explained it to him, he understood it and went along. Why do you have to keep being a stubborn fuckwit clinging to your dumb point despite being well aware it's goddamn retarded?
>>342864207
>Saying that A actually makes an aye sound when it's never even used like that separately.
Anus.
>>342862167
I prefer 貴様 because that's how they talk in my Dragon Ball Zs
>>342862186
Play with these and try to win something.
>>342857452
This pretty much applies to all Far Eastern languages that aren't Korean. Asians are by far the most smug race in the world.
>>342864857
A+ post
>>342865046
why not korean
>>342864747
So why don't they just have the letters in the first place?B Pyccкoм ы этo пpocтo eщё oднa глacнaя. У нac нeт oтдeльных бyкв для pы, ды, вы и т.д. Пoйми yжe. Пoчeмy c caмoгo нaчaлa нe paздeлить?
>watch namasensei videos
>learn kanas and be able to understand/form basic sentences
>finish the videos
>no drive to go on on my own
>>342854564
>Spanish
It fucking sucks you have to learn this language to get anywhere in America.
I don't have anything against Hispanics. Just those stubborn incompetent fucks who can't speak a lick of english im forced to spoonfeed because the supervisor said so.
>>342865415Vodka.
>>342865415
>So why don't they just have the letters in the first place?
Because they don't have the sounds in their language.
>>342865415
Why don't all languages just use the international phonetic alphabet?
>>342865478
If you don't like how games are currently censored / cut up or are impatient to play the game localized , you could get the drive.
I got it through MHX and low-ero games.
>>342865525
>you have to learn this language to get anywhere in America.
You really don't unless you live in one of the states bordering Beanerville
>>342865279
Souh Korea is by far the most friendly nation in Far East Asia.
Japan likes non-Japanese tourist, but not anyone who plans to live in Japan. China hates everyone, tourist or not. Thailand are known to beat the shit out of foreigners.
>>342852448
Isn't it more that japanese works like most asian languages
That Kukai guy ripped a lot of stuff straight from the chinese
i'm too busy touching my peepee
>>342865807
Which is thankfully quarantined in the shittiest parts of the US.
>>342865991
I fapped five times today and still had time to do 30 mins of anki.
Even if I mastered japanese I'd be too poor to visit
i want to die
>>342865525
>It fucking sucks you have to learn this language to get anywhere in America.
literally the only place i've encountered this is a few parts of Miami
>>342866087
>learn jap
>translate jap games for western audience
>???
>profit
>>342865947
More like Japanese is barely related to other Asian languages. Its grammar is similar to Korean and it took a lot of Chinese hanzi, but kanji pronunciation is more complicated and the grammar is not as complicated as Korean's.
>>342865904
Good to know when I visit Korea anon. Haven't been back there since I was a kid and my dad got stationed there.
The nightlife seems really tempting too.
Because I am learning russian. я ничeгo нe знaю.
Im also interested in korean but fuck japanese and their fucked up ancient kanji relics that don't do anything except make the language harder to read and learn.
>>342866186
the only guy I know who learned Japanese is stuck translating hentai and he fucking hates it
>>342859054
this because at least russians and spanish are fuckable
>>342854564
>>342848698
Too fucking old. I tried learning Japanese and Spanish back when I was in high school. I'm 30 and the only thing I know in Spanish is "Mi espanol es muy malo." Even the Mexicans laugh at me.
Spanish is a lot harder because there are three different versions and you only learn one in classes unless you take one for all three.
>>342865807
I live in Kentucky and hispanics are infested within it. You never notice because they keep to themselves in hispanic-populated areas. At least until they need to apply in schools or worksites.
I'm not a /pol/-fag so I don't know what caused them to keep going up further north, but Kentucky virtually didn't have any hispanics until my first year of high school(which was 8 years ago).
>>342866370
Does he translate more genres he likes or whatever he has to?
>>342866329
I can understand Korean, but why Russian? Just, why?
>>342866504
Whatever he has to, most people paying for translations have very specific and weird fetishes
>>342866483
>Too fucking old.
More like you're just not good at it. I'm the same age as you and have studied 17 languages, at least 4 of which I'm intermediate in and I made sure I learned to discern and pronounce tonal languages before I turned 26.
>>342856372
Ouiaboos tried to force French grammar and rules onto a Germanic language, and they fucked it up
>>342866669
I happen to live in Finland right next to the damn thing so it can come in handy.
>>342866721
Bullshit.which ones?
>>342866721
>More like you're just not good at it.
I studied Spanish in high school also and I barely remember any of it. Just like every other thing you study, languages don't stick unless you constantly study on it.
Not everyone is obsessed on learning a new language as you.
>>342866709
Well that explains it.
inflation / vore / guro / more specific fetish people do pay more.
>>342867260
>Studied spanish in high school
This exactly, I did it for four straight years and nothing stuck at all because I really wasn't interested in it.
>>342866370
Your buddy should look into translating for gaming news sites. I know a guy who does it, and the only terrible downside is the shit hours.
>>342866721
>some random faggot on /v/ has """studied""" 17 languages
By the way I've walked on the moon.
>>342867468
How was the trip?
Korean
>Easy as fuck alphabet
>Grammar is fucked
Japanese
>Basic system is a little bit harder than Korean
>Tons of characters to basically memorize
>Grammar is fucked, but not as fucked as Korean
wat do
>>342867387
He's a cool depressed weeb and wanted to translate videogames but also told me you that you need to know people to get that kind of job
>>342867120
In total, or which am I decent at?
The 17 are: Japanese, Vietnamese, Cantonese, Mandarin, Norwegian, Swedish, Finnish, Latin, German, French, Thai, Hindi, Russian, Italian, Spanish, Danish, Indonesian.
I'm not amazing at most of them, but my best are Viet, Jap, Kor, and Mandarin for work and personal reasons.
>>342867260
Yeah, I know. Everyone has their own talents and goals. I should have worded it better, because most people aren't exactly linguistically-inclined. It's definitely possible to learn a language at our age, it just takes more time and effort. It's understandable one not have the will to do it, really.
>>342867468
It's my second hobby after vidya, faggot.
>>342848698
oh, its just Hiragana? No katakana or Kanji even?
Does it atleast teach you words and grammar?
Fuck, I was thinking this was some fast paced typing game that would force me to learn shit at breakneck speeds.
>tfw you already know kana
>tfw dont know a lick of kanji
>Speaking to adviser at Uni
>Tells me I have to take a foreign language class
>Okay what do you got
>Spanish French German
>Okay lets take German I guess everyone takes those two
>German is only during summer semester and I dont want to come in during the summer
>Decide to take Spanish this fall
I wish they had a bigger selection of languages. I know Spanish can be kind of important in 'murica now but still, don't really want to take it.
I've always considered trying to learn Japanese just for the fun of it, but I don't know if I should try while being forced to learn Spanish. Also I feel like if I did it now on summer break when I came back during the fall I would either forget things or end up being in a situation as if I tried learning both at the same time.
Wat do guys?
>>342867642
Fun fact a korean king got rid of kanji because he wanted the peasants to be able to read and his successor wanted to ditch the new system because it would allow the peasants to become too smart. Kanji are garbage.
>>342867642
Which one will be more useful for you to actually know?
>>342867720
>tfw dont know a lick of kanji
its straight up memorization. different meanings shouldn't be too hard but the on-yomi and kun-yomi will probably fuck you up sideways.
>>342867642
Don't forget Korean's pronunciation is very hard for foreigners, and there are tons of exceptions in spelling -> pronunciation.
If you're just learning as a hobby or for vidya, go with JP. If you want to learn for fun or future professional reasons, KR.
I personally have had a harder time with Korean than Japanese because of the pronunciation and the drastic changes in speech patterns based on the speaker's age compared to the listener.
>>342867916
More like separate the smart from the dumb.
I can see how calligraphy would be a thing for educated people.
>>342867920
I do want to visit both of those countries, but I really want to play Japanese vidya and watch Korean movies/dramas.
>>342867916
>>342867957
I'll keep it in mind.
>>342867957
Korea seems like a cool place until you research it more weird ass rules like you can only be ''friend'' if you are the exact same age.
>>342868241
Yeah, it's still a heavily Confucian country despite also being massively Catholic. Korean societal rules are very rigid.
Will this game be enough to understand persona 5 in 3-4 months? That's all I care about.
>>342868241
Why do Asians have to be so complicated with their manners?
>>342868384
LOL
>>342868384
Go get a few personal tutors instead.
>>342868241
Most K-dramas and movies that are worth a damn get subbed these days, I wouldn't learn it for that. Korean is ranked as one of the most difficult languages out there for a reason, it's a real ball-buster.
That said Japanese isn't much easier, if only because of the kanji system and how fucked it gets when you have to remember several pronunciations for a single kanji.
>>342868384
Maybe in 3-4 years
>>342868384
boi...
>>342868413
Because muh traditions
I'm fucked if I marry a girl who isn't a gook
>>342860882
>I just wanna learn Japanese so I can play certain games that don't make it to America and know a different language.
Pretty much this. Aside from vidya and translating unpopular manga like Pokemon Special or Magi, there's no actual reason for me to learn Japanese.
>>342867596
Pretty decent. It was a lot colder than I expected. Also I took a dump so if you ever visit those telescope places you can take a looksie for my turdsie.
>>342867684
Sure it is.
>>342868805
Not everyone's as big of a dumbfuck as you are, Anon.
>>342869110
I am
>>342860882
Getting to know enough to PLAY a game isn't too bad
Actually reading the fucking dialogue is another problem entirely
>>342869171
No it isn't. Dialogue is part of the game, you tard.
/goodedutainment/
are there any games that teaches you a useful language?
i always wanted to learn french for instance
>>342869729
>french
>useful
>>342869805
compared to weebism, yes
i live in europe
>>342869729
french is pretty cool. too bad they are done for unless the follow britain's example and also remove all the kebabs
dead language within 30 years unless you want to talk to french-canadians
>>342869965
Go back to /pol/ and never come back, you retard.
>>342848698
Because I see no real use for it in my life given that the only people I've ever really done any business with internationally has widely been the Chinese and the Mexicans.
>>342869805
>>342869965
Des connards qui vivent dans leurs caves et qui l'ouvrent en faisant genre ils connaissent le monde.
Everytime.
>>342848698
but i am and i'm using wanikani but this is some bullshit
>>342870023
sorry :(
the french in medieval total war 2 were pretty baller. i really liked the accents they had
>>342870238
Wanikani is some bullshit, anon. I hope you're not paying to use it
There are more Kanji than there are stars in the universe.
>>342870327
you get 3 lessons for free anon. gotta test the waters before pay
>>342869729
>are there any games that teaches you a useful language?
I learned English by playing Pokemon Gold in English.
That and a dictionary
>>342848698
>just teaches you hiragana
you don't need a program to learn that shit.
>>342870228
pls translate?
>find a thread you're interested in
>400+ replies
>>342870669
men who live in caves watching the world etc
>tfw just did a module in Mandarin
Fuck Mandarin. People complain about how hard Japanese is, but just fuck Mandarin.
>>342848698
私は毎日日本語を話します。
>>342870952
o thx anon
>>342871096
ching chong ching chong to you to sir
>>342871096
I just wanna get good enough to play games, dont think ill bother using it every day
>>342854131
>all these defensive anime posters proving his point by getting mad at a joke
I love it
>>342871394
it's "ching chong nip nong" you eop
>>342871690
>believing in memes
>>342871096
>I know how to read 私
>Only 2999 more kanji to learn
>>342871096
おめでとう。もっとしゃべったほうがいい。
>>342872418
お is easy to remember
its ah
thanks Azumanga
>>342848698
Learning a single set of characters isn't learning a language. That game is literally weeb bait. and I'm not talking about the /v/ version of the word. I mean actual weaboos.
>>342848698
>Needing a useless language
Japan has a shit fertility rate so they are likely to die off just like Whites in Western World.
Ok, say I've learned some random 100+ symbols for starters so I can make the sounds that are written.
What the fuck do I actually do with them next?
>>342872608
お aint a kanji
and its "oh"
Don't want people to think im a weeb
>>342872608
お is "oh", "ah" is あ.
>>342872806
With that logic, why aren't you learning to speak Arabic and Somalian?
>>342872608
that's a good bait, you already got two fish hooked.
>>342872491
そうですね。習うより慣れろ。
>>342848698
Because Korean is kicking my ass still after 3 years and Japanese isn't going to be much kinder
>>342872864
That's not completely true. Hiragana is was all made by simplifying kanji
>>342873038
Probably
Muslim families has a unbelievable birth rate
できる
>>342848698
Japan wouldn't like me in their country
>wanting to learn moon runes
I bought this game.
$2 and im having fun and learning. I don't know or care if it's the most effective way, I'm just enjoying the adventure and experiment to see how much I learn.
>>342848698
If I only know the maymay jap words is this even a good place to start?
All I want to do is play jap games in their native language.
>>342848698
So what's the best "entertaining" way to learn the language. I'm no good with flashcards and shit
>say something in french
>women around me start gushing waterfalls
>>342874845
there is no entertaining way, its always going to be reading and grinding grammar into your brain.
>>342848698
id play this with kanji
>>342848826
>tfw it took me 7 years to learn kana
>>342851407
This right here is while I'll never touch this language.
>>342852387
My nip professor only knows 3,300
>>342875496
It's weird how French is such a meme language when it sounds so ugly.
>>342875496
Why do girls like French anyway?
All I hear is a sound of someone trying not to throw up and that makes me want to punch them in the facealthough I think I'm always trying to find any excuse to punch people in the face
>>342852114
this meme has gone too far
>>342851206
fuck this hard. i still don't have the confidence to tell them apart
>>342875986
It's not so bad. Just gonna need to know the context and you will realize what's wrong in an instant
>>342875496
>tfw took french until I was fluent
Mmm, c'etait assez facille, je ne comprend pas la raison quelques autres pensent que francais est difficile.
Also fuck accents I aint doing that shit nigga.
>>342876267I'm scared
I thought they looked EXACTLY the same.
>>342876108
It's 100% true. If you can't learn Hiragana and Katakana in an hour then give up.
>>342876182
If the two little stripes stands right up, it's tsu. If it's sideways and facing to the bottom, it's shi
It would make more sense if you write it since the two marks "kinda connects" to the huge stripe
>>342876620
>a whole hour
If you can't learn kana in 30 seconds don't even bother.
>>342848698
>Tell me /v/ why aren't you learning Japanese?
because its a pretty useless language anywhere outside of japan.
There are so many more valuable languages that are more universally spoken around the world.
>>342849858
Maybe I don't want to be illiterate.
>>342876089
>sound of someone trying not to throw up
That's Korean for me. Ugly sounding language
>>342876089
>Why do girls like French anyway?
English accents in french.
>>342876597
Brush up those katakana again, son
>>342876757
>30 seconds
>not 1 second
>>342876890
What about if you want to work at Japanese companies stationed at outside parts of the world? Like for instance Cyberconnect2 has a branch stationed in Canada and their website says even if you're working there knowing Japanese helps. I imagine this would apply if you wanted to work at Atlus USA, NIS America, etc. too.
>>342876481
>Mmm, c'etait assez facile, je ne comprend pas la raison pour laquelle certains pensent que le francais est difficile à apprendre
ftfy
Using google translate isn't being fluent
using google
>>342867642
Oh shit, this thread is still up.
Just flip a coin and pick one. Or just pick one that seems more interesting to you. I used a 4chan post roll 3 years ago to determine if I should learn Korean or Japanese, and I got stuck with Korean. But I slowly began to love it, and 3 years has gotten me by most small talk and conversational situations with colleagues.
>years ago
>keep a kana chart handy
>try one of a million silly Flash games
>several hours later, and lots of refreshers
>know them by heart
>>342849207
>>342876986
Korean sounds weird to me too, but not as bad as French. It does have that weird, "What the fuck" to it though
>>342870238
Whats wrong with the reading? did you just write it wrong?
if it is a typing error you would type it yattsu into your keyboard. double consonant will give you the small つ unless it is n then you get ん.
>>342877272
I didn't use Google, just what I know.
quelque is some
autre is others
I could've said quelques gens
and "pour laquelle" doesn't sound right to me but whatever.
Also "le francais est difficile" is enough to get the point across.
>>342869723
Bare minimum is knowing what the menus do so you can actually beat the game. Sometimes that takes as little as a bit of trial and error, sometimes you don't even need to bother if it's a pure action game. But if there's a story you actually care about knowing you do actually have to know a decent amount of moon.
>>342848698
As if I needed a fucking game to remember the easiest part of learning japanese.
Fuck off.
>>342848698
I use Kanji Study, covers every fucking thing.
>>342877515
>doesn't sound right to me but whatever.
I'm french m8
Some isn't always translated quelque
>I took some apples with me
J'ai pris quelques pommes avec moi
>I know some guys who like Overwatch
Je connais des gens qui apprécient Overwatch
Here, some isn't even translated and simply disappears.
what can i do to prepare for persona 5 in september?
Only thing it's lacking is pronunciation and you don't need that for JP anyways, it's easy enough.
>>342878126
Time to hit the books again, I guess.
>>342878130
If you already haven't been studying for more than a year, nothing. It wont' be worth it just sitting having to look up every other word with a diction, on top of all the grammar usage and slang you wont understand
>>342878189
>don't need pronunciation for [learning a language]
>>342878189
>Only thing it's lacking is pronunciation and you don't need that for JP anyways
[爆笑]
>>342878418
You literally don't need to know pronunciation when learning Japanese, assuming you know kana
There are literally no weird/abnormal phonemes
>>342878189
if you learned kana you should always be pronouncing them right
>>342852063
Thing is it's actually my 5th and at this point I'm kinda tired of it honestly.
>>342878130
If you got Android, use this
https://play.google.com/store/apps/details?id=com.mindtwisted.kanjistudy
>>342878418
>>342878590
I mean that it's literally just two letter syllables for almost anything, it's not hard to read.I'm being baited nicely.
>>342878770
That's what I meant. Once you know all the sounds, that's it, nothing else to learn past that but to learn kanji.
>>342852387
>being this delusional
Most nips can't write Kanji for shit unless they have a phone autofill for them
>>342878675
Yeah, but there's different accents and intonations on a lot of words and homophones that you'll never know about when it comes time to actually speak, and the only way to get good that is by just listening to people speak.
>>342878832
thanks anon.
>>342879239
No problem and good luck
>tfw started learning russian just because
I'm not even sure i'll use it someday, but whatevs, maybe i'll use it to read Metro 2035.
>>342856847
>
Also I learned the language through general exposure to the point where I feel as comfortable speaking it as my own and can consider myself fluent. Yet despite all of this I apparently am completely clueless when it comes to the tenses (past perfect, present perfect continuous, past imperfect but still continuous, etc.)
This is exactly why i don't feel like i could teach english to anybody.
>>342848698
Will this game be enough for me to play those damn untranslated 3ds jap games?
>>342879520
You made an oopsy, anon-kun
>>342879395
There's a load of top tier literature in Russian so you'll use it a lot if you're into that.
>>342879736
Thread's about to die anyway, so it's not like it matters.
>>342879721
Of course not you silly goose
Since we are talking about learning language, is anyone learning Icelandic?
>>342879901
Nah, it doesn't. I was just jesting.
>>342879395
Russian is a beautiful language to listen to, especially by women
I'm learning romanian because one of my close friends is romanian and its fun to listen to
ahh the joys of life
>want to learn Russian/Ukrainian, German, French and some form of Japanese
Any best recommended site/program for each?
>>342879951
The only thing that would get me interested in all the metal and atmospheric stuff. God damn it their scene is great.
I have no idea what this song is about but it's hauntingly beautiful.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=SqqeZc4SbUg
who /learninggeorgian/ here
what a splended language, holy shit. every letter here is made in love
>>342880148
Duolingo is apparently /int/'s favorite.
>>342880236
>ancient alien hieroglyphs
>not cuneiform
>tfw all i know is English and Spanish
>tried to learn French
>didn't go well
>tried to learn japanese
>same
fug
>>342880413
ANCIENT
AYYLMAOS
>>342880398
>cuneiform
Literally meme arrows
>>342880413
>Spanish
I fucking hate that language. I took a year of it in school and I remember nothing but a couple words.
At least Latin is fun.
>>342880469
>Literally meme arrows
Where do you think Kek came from?
>>342879721
The 3ds is region locked, you can't play them to begin with.
>>342880506
>I fucking hate that language.
Por que?
>>342880148
For Japanese you can grab Tae Kim or Genki workbooks, use Real Kana or some similar tool to learn Hiragana/Katakana in like a week, and then just start hammering out grammar and Kanji.
I dunno anything about the rest though.
>>342880213
Why does Iceland have so many good musicians?
It's heavan for "indie" music.
>>342880709
German sounds better to me than god damn Spanish.
>>342880709
>Por que?
>no ¿Por qué?
>>342880918
But why
>>342851206
^^ :^) シ :) :-) ツ
spot the Katakana
>>342881095
Honestly, no idea. I just hate Spanish with a passion.
Also doesn't help that I tend to talk really fast and, despite Spanish being a fast language, the teacher could barely understand me because I was too fast for her in English.
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