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>Overwatch’s Torbjörn Is Getting A Nerf On Consoles
>Console players are generally less accurate than PC players, who are aided by the precision of mouse and keyboard controls. The thinking has been that because Torbjörn’s turrets fire with pinpoint accuracy, they break through the skill ceiling in a lot of console matches and help Torbjörn players dominate, especially when playing defense.
>“In an upcoming patch, we will reduce the damage done by Torbjörn’s turret by 30% on Xbox One and PS4. PC will remain unchanged,”
COME ON ARE PEOPLE REALLY THIS SHIT ON CONSOLES
>>342840791
The nerf is an incorrect one anyways. What should be done is there should be a detection delay rather than an instantaneous one, giving people the ability to corner peek, aim and shoot.
Of course people are that bad, the controls are shit
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>>342840791
There's been PC players that have never played console games just pick up a controller, learn the ropes for 10 minutes, and just wreck those same console players consistently.
Yes, most console players are that casual.
>>/r/masterrace
>ten years after Shadowrun shooter people still ask if console players are shit.
Most shooters in console have aim assist, so people think they are better than they really are.
>>342840791
>aided by mouse and keyboard
didn't know it's all about hardware and not skill
>>342841174
Reminds me of when CoD4 came out and all I had to play it on was PS3.
>>342840791
source
>>342841174
this
>>342841196
Shadowrun also had things that tried to hamper PC players to balance it out and that still happened.
>>342840791
Maybe because its fucking easy to aim with mouse vs controller, nothing new here senpai desu boi
>>342840791
>Blizzard discovers that water is wet
>>342841174
I've never played a PC game in my life, and did the same thing vice versa.
Yes, PC players are that shit.
>>342841429
proof: my ass
>>342840791
The turret's damage has never been an issue.
It's the fact that it has perfect 360 aimbot accuracy. There's no smart "get around the turret's vision cone" or anything because even if you sneak up on it, it will instantly snap to you and start shooting even if there 5 other people right in front of it.
>>342841503
y-you too
>>342841429
I doubt you were good at any competitive shooter on PC within 10 minutes.
>>342840791
The real solution is to allow more control scheme on consoles.
Lazy fucks.
Switching from console to PC, the difference in accuracy is night and day.
>>342840791
> Blizzard makes a shitty waifu meme game
> Forces console players to admit that PC is better for both performance and gameplay
Blizzard is a based cancer.
How's that news? Controller sucks for FPS games, everyone fucking knows that. You don't see people compete in tournaments with controllers even if the game has support for it aswell.
>playing FPS on a console
>>342841263
Well yeah, there's no way even the best player on a controller can come close to reaching the peak performance on PC
This goes without fucking saying. This is why you play FPS on PC
>>342840791
it's not about the person it's the controls themselves
>>342841580
20 time quakecon console champion, kiddo.
>>342841510
torbjorn has shit for repairing it, literally any hero can hop in and out of cover and destroy it, or better yet switch to sniper for a bit and kill torbjorn too without him being able to do anything
it's casual filter, stop being shit
>>342841328
http://www.forbes.com/sites/insertcoin/2016/06/26/ps4-and-xbox-overwatch-fans-rejoice-a-torbjorn-nerf-is-officially-coming/
>30%
What the actual fuck? Why does the overwatch team take a complete shit on anything when nerfing it?
Are console players really getting anally raped in K/D by more than 30% by Toblerone?
>>342840791
BUT ITS NOT ABOUT ACCURACY, PICK REINHARDT, PICK PHARAH, SHOOT FROM BEHIND REINHARDT SHIELD
THATS ALL, IS THAT HARD?
>>342841662
Console is the standard for Overwatch tournaments, according to Blizzard.
Well they did say way back in the beta that the console and pc versions would be balanced differently. The difference in control schemes is massive and I kinda figured it would be obvious as such. You can't really get the most out of heroes like Widow/Genji/Tracer without a mouse.
I do think they should lower the tracking and lock on speed of his turret on PC, the major counter to turrets should always be flanking and that is negated by the instalock nature of Torbs turret.
>>342841817
Source?
>>342841580
Don't act like any game on PC is even hard. You're going to make my nuts burst. Mouse and Keyboard makes things easy as shit, it's laughable. Using a controller is a lot harder.
>>342841817
>Console is the standard for Overwatch tournaments
DEAD
ON
ARRIVAL
>>342841840
So does that mean the PC version could get less casual as time goes on?
Well it is reasonable.
While Widowmaker is probably not even a least bit OP on consoles she's an absolute beast on PC.
>>342841026
>What should be done is there should be a detection delay rather than an instantaneous one
Oh so the thing that made EVERY TURRET EVER MADE IN AN FPS completely useless is the right way to go?
>>342841785
Console players hate each other, don't form teams
Even without a team, most PC players can literally take out a bastion+tjorb combo by themselves with the right heros
>>342841918
Because the controls allow for more, the competition is harder. The game as a whole is elevated.
>>342840791
30% less damage is way too big of a nerf. Tob has a huge amount of winrates because his sentry can sre you from the other side of the map, you need a sniper or a junkrate to take it safely and sniping on consoles is fuking awful
I have played on both PC and console versions. There might be some truth to the problem. With hardware there is more precision and generally at the very least allows for higher skill ceiling. most PC players will be great on consoles but they still are worse than they would be on PC. it is about hardware to some level. even a cheap mouse can be enough to do better. This nerf seems like a little much but on consoles 2 well placed turrets by Trobs on defense can basically stop any attacking team. Damage is the worst way to go. Hit delay or less health to keep trob closer to turret could be better
>>342840791
It's not about being shit. A controller just isn't as accurate as a keyboard and the game will need to be balanced differently. This is the first step.
Torb's turrets are tougher to deal with a controller like peeking and getting a few shots off accurately and god help you if there's a turret on a moving platform.
Problem is Torb is a good counter for speedy characters like Tracer, Genji and Pharah who are tough to hit. Hope they have more changes planned besides just a turret nerf or there will be chaos
>>342840791
>“In an upcoming patch, we will reduce the damage done by Torbjörn’s turret by 30% on Xbox One and PS4. PC will remain unchanged,”
But this doesn't fix the issue? What the fuck Blizzard?
>>342841840
>the major counter to turrets should always be flanking
The major counter to turrets has always been explosives since you dont need to expose yourself to it.
Flanking is secondary
>>342842052
Yes, but mostly cause you're over exaggerating about how it actually impacts turrets.
>>342841990
Yes.
Widowmaker does the same damage post nerf...if everyshot you land is a headshot
McCree fan still kills characters..if you hit 5-6 in the fan and for tanks 1-2 LMB headsdhots first
>KB+M is superior to a controller in FPS
"The Sky Is Blue"
t. Blizzard
I play on console and have rarely ever had a problem with Torbjorn.When I pick Torbjorn people rarely get my turret.
>>342842258
It allows you to peek out a corner and attack it and even destroy it before you are forced to run away for some medpacks.
>>342842151
This. Reducing the turret range from 40 to 30 would have been perfect. Or a smaller damage reduction, maybe 20%.
i'm a consolefag so that's nice I guess (seems a little excessive though) but what I really want is that mcree nerf PC guys already have and a Dva buff.
>Played MW2 on console
>Got way too fucking good at it
>Move to PC
>M+KB didn't help much
>fiddle around till I can use a controller again because I lost the console disc
>was still doing good
If you actually figure out how to use higher sensitivity on controllers you'll eventually be able to keep up with most PC players. There is a higher ceiling on how good you can be with M+KB but most of the people who shit on controllers aren't even close to that level yet.
>>342842335
well, in most cases, in some it doesn't matter
Like the most recent COD games you could argue that controller is better because aiming takes such a back seat to movement and positioning
>>342842496
the mccree nerf ended up being a mistake because now Reaper has no real counter and nobody is great at removing tanks
Is it really that hard to have a Reinhardt look in the turret's general direction and put up his shield while someone else shoots at the turret's general direction?
You know what, don't answer that.
>>342840791
We've known for decades that m+kb>pad
>>342842084
More precision? Uh, sure. I won't argue with that. That doesn't mean it's more competitive, lol.
That's like saying the controls on console allow for less, so the competition is easier? What?
>>342841263
I can't weld with a soldering iron?
I thought was about skill not hardware!
>>342842565
Now go play quake
>>342841840
No, the counter to turrets is long range or burst damage, even better if you shoot from behind a Rein shield.
Turrrets are supposed to counter flankers but even Genji can take care of it super easily.
>>342842603
You mean the game would require you to use your brain and cooperation? No way amigo.
>everyone thinks KB+M is the only way to play games
>Nerf comes out saying that PC has an advantage that consoles do not and that they need a little help getting a counter.
>PC players go on about how they are so much better with controllers and its not the controls that count
so after Torb who is next to be attacked on console? Roadhog? Reaper? Hanzo?
>>342842603
>Requires 2 players to attack one player's side weapon
That's retarded judgement. The biggest issue is always the retarded pinpoint trackballing that will make every single bullet connect with you, regardless of how many obstacles are in the way or whatever direction you're coming from, which slaughters any hero known for their speed, and most other heroes cannot out-DPS it, especially when you consider the dwarf can just sit still and repair it constantly.
>>342842565
Fundamentally, you have more possible precision and control in moving your wrist over a wide area than with moving your thumb over a small area.
>>342842496
Pharah is far and away the most broken character on console. Bitch just floats around without a care in the world.
McCree is still op on console(you don't need a mouse to hit a stunned target) but he isn't TOO bad imo
>>342840791
>COME ON ARE PEOPLE REALLY THIS SHIT ON CONSOLES
No, worse
>>342842285
Except not.
If there's a targeting delay, then ANY hero in Overwatch can repeatedly peek out and chip the Turret to death without taking a single bit of damage.
In the current design, competent PC players do so, trading a minor amount of damage to themselves while still taking it out. Don't know what the fuck console players are doing, but they don't even have to aim to do this, just align their crosshair to where the turret is and strafe back and forth to wipe it out with whatever ranged weapon they have.
>game has auto aim
>console kiddies still can't hit anything
>>342842794
>hanzo gets an even more ridiculous hitbox because people on console can't aim
>>342842656
Yes?
If everyone can't aim half as well and thus everyone survives for twice as long, the skill required and possible is overall less.
>>342842880
>>342842880
HOLY SHIT
even with a 30% decrease in damage, he's still going to be strong because there is no penalty for laying down turrets all the time. takes like 10 seconds to get it going and you can easilly just forget about it,
The moment a turret is destroyed, Tobjorn can instantly lay down another. As long has Tobjorn's turrent has instantanious reaction and o penalty for being destroyed, he's going to be good on consoles.
>>342842407
I feel the exact same
but now that they've said it, it'll be like McCree pre-nerf, get ready for like way more people to play Torbjorn and on every single team no matter what the team needs
>>342842880
It's like a completely different game with a completely different meta.
So, who are the best characters on console besides Torb?
>>342842891
>but they don't even have to aim to do this, just align their crosshair to where the turret
That is aiming anon.
>>342842880
this is so sad
>>342840791
>Console players
>console
>players
>players
>players
Good joke.
>>342842880
Winstom really needs 200 ammo for his gun
>>342842880
Dumb scrub needs to turn his sensitivity up.
>>342842880
man things i would do on console version if owned console
>>342843127
lol no
>>342842565
Modern Warfare 2's slow-paced gameplay is built around console controllers. Try playing the console version of TF2 or Unreal Tournament.
>>342841817
But that's wrong.
>>342842335
We used to have 300+ threads repeatedly arguing over whether controllers could even slightly compare to Mouse and Keyboard. You had Game Bloggers arguing that the Controller was more fair because aiming with a mouse is too easy.
I appreciate every developer that willingly says that Controllers are a garbage input method for aiming. The sooner we recognize this the quicker some company will think of a way to improve it.
>>342841349
Such as?
Wait so does that mean on consoles, its just 6v6 dwarf fights for objectives?
Shit's hilarious.
>>342842603
Okay so you switch to Reinhardt and start blocking the turret while moving forward but the Zenyatta, Hanzo, Lucio and Roadhog are busy trying to snipe randomly outside the door at anything but the turret and don't push with you so now you have no shield and are dead.
Fact is it's more a nerf for solo que than for team play. Solo que players will never have the coordination to deal with multiple Torbjorns
PC scrubs really struggled with Widowmaker and Mcree?
Holy shit git gud
>>342843102
You see a lot more Pharah on console for one, since enemies can't shoot her down as easily.
Isn't there possibility to plug KB+M to console?
>>342840791
Console players cant Widow or Hanzo against Torjörn turrets? Or what?
>>342843102
Pharah, Lucio, Reaper, Genji. In that order imho.
>>342842880
>>342843215
Controllers can compete with M+KB it just takes a hellva lot more effort on the controller users part.
There was this Quake 3 pro who made a montage of him using a controller and he was wrecking fools . But since everyone and there mother has posted that "Quake KB+M vs. Controller lol" 8 million times, its hard to find these days.unrelated but how is the Steam controller for aiming in FPS's?
>>342842794
In theory, Symmetra and Winston.
>>342843319
I play on PS4 and haven't had a problem with the turrets. I'm guessing the nerf is for the casuals and not people who can actually play the game.
Nothing new from Blizzard really.
>>342842463
30m range would be a far more heinous nerf than lowering damage. Those ten fewer meters would make many of Torb's current ideal placements rendered useless, and no better place would exist.
Imagine Hanamura or Gibraltar, those most frustrating chokepoint maps. The size of those areas are just big enough that Torb's turret in the usual spots has just enough range to reach the big wooden gate or cover the entrances to the shrine from that back area in Hanamura, or cover the entrances from those platforms on the Aurora ship.
Lowering the range would create pockets in most areas that would then allow the other team to safely shoot it from a distance.
>>342842880
T-this cant be real... What..
>>342843280
There's some non-offical hardware, but technically it's against the terms of use and Blizzard could ban you. When the majority of the playerbase is handicapped by controllers, using kb+m isn'ta preference thing, it's outright cheating.
>>342842931
That doesn't make sense. Are we talking about half a second here? I used to play Paragon on PS4 with friends and PC players were just as bad or good as PS4 players. There was actually no difference whatsoever in their play.
Your problem is that you are comparing console to PC, when you shouldn't be comparing them at all. If this guy you made up was doing great on consoles, from PC, that would make absolutely no sense since it would have been harder for him. You're living a lie. PC and console players are contained in their own platforms and there is no difference at all in how competitive they are.
>>342843229
Not that bad but 2 Torbs is pretty much meta on defense.
>>342842826
Yeah, that's the skill ceiling of Mouse and Keyboard. For a lot of people though they're not good enough that they outpace anyone with a controller. people of equal skill on a controller/Keyboard will result in the keyboard player having a small edge but There is a large portion of skill gap you can cross till you get to the point when a controller is always a big hamper.
>>342842718
The faster the game usually means less skill gap you can cross with a controller. I perter a mouse with quake but I can still do well with a DS2 controller in 3. Like I said, Most people don't try getting gud with higher sensitivities and remapping. There are a lot of shitters that can't beat me even if the matchup is controller-keyboard.
>>342843127
Nah, not at all man. Winston is able to hit multiple units with one ability, and if he lands his jump then he can kill Mercy or Lucio or Zenyatta and jump right back out which is exactly what he's designed to do, besides kill Widow.
>>342843235
I feel bad for you man
Has anyone tried playing overwatch on a console with a keyboard and morse? How easy was it?
>>342841190
It's r/pcmasterrace
>>342842880
DELETE THIS
>>342841586
Yep. Jumping and aiming is a nightmare. Haven't found settings I'm completely comfortable with yet onxbone
>>342843102
It's pretty much the same minus Widowmaker who is an annoyance but a small one.
>>342843531
>he can kill (...) Zenyatta
Thats a bad example because Zenyatta dies by looking at him funny.
>>342842603
Why would I aim after a turret? I just wanna get kills!
>>342842880
Holy shit.
>>342841503
Same as yours then
>>342841817
Benny Hill show confirmed.
>>342843235
>150 damage body shots
>Enough to one shot two different heroes
>800 damage alternate fire
>More damage than any hero can eat, including Symmetra shields and Torb armor, unless ulted by Lucio
>>342842880
I wish Bastions knew they have a self heal. He could have jjust held the heal button.
>>342843673
>>342841026
>changing turret damage
Change a value or two in the code.
>changing detection behavior
Rework the entire detection code.
>>342843434
Now show a video of him wrecking people at his very level with a controller. What's that, you can't?
>>342842236
I love that argument that the turret is a counter to "fast characters like Genji and Tracer." The idea people think that literally an aimbot, with infinite ammo, practically infinite range, pinpoint precision, and 0 lock on time is how a pesky character should be handled rather than introducing skill based abilities (like McCree's flash bang or Mei's ice) is so absolutely ridiculous.
Ok, so now that Blizzard will adjust the PC and console versions separately, can they please fix the controls on abilities like reapers teleport, mei's wall etc?
They feel like shit on PC because of consoles
Overwatch turrets aren't even that powerful. It's them Killzone turrets that fucking slaughter you.
>>342842880
I haven't had a console since N64. During middle school, high school, and college, pretty much everyone I knew who played vidya was PC only or had consoles along with a PC.
So why on earth would you use a console to play FPS games?
>>342841174
citation fucking needed.
PC players on consoles are shit because theyre so used to the mouse control that they flail around with the stick like spergy grandmothers. Then rather than git gud they shit all over consoles and talk about how console aim assist is a crutch, when the real crutch is a fucking mouse.
>>342842880
What's suppose to be funny about this?
>>342842565
>High sensitivity
Watch any pro play any game in 3d space ever
The precision of low sens is more important then turning speed
You should already be facing the correct direction if you know whats happening
I hate cod babbies thinking theyre good at video games...
>>342843647
Well he's designed to kill low health valuable heroes who are generally in the back, so Zenyatta, Mercy, Lucio, Widow and Hanzo to a degree.
But that's true. At least he doesn't die immediately to an bad widow, but still he's shite.
>>342842893
Hanzo is good as fuck on consoles. I've seen better Hanzos on console than I have on pc.
>>342843769
Bastion's heal is interrupted by any damage.
He can't heal while Winston is hitting him.
>>342842880
>all these replies from people who have never held a controller
How does nobody understand the difference between an analog stick and a mouse.
>>342843845
>>342843789
You do know the only people who play Quake 3 these days are people that are around the same skill level, right?
it's almost a 20 year old game.
>>342840791
Or just don't be lazy and rework the turret so the game isn't inconsistent.
>>342843434
>Controllers can compete with M+KB it just takes a hellva lot more effort on the controller users part.
Yeah and Oscar Pistorius could undoubtedly outrun most humans, it doesn't mean we should cut our legs off.
The real heart of the problem is that when devs focus mostly on the console version it really fucks up the PC Side. The post Bad Company 2 Battlefield games are a really good example, it's way too easy to kill someone with any gun on PC.
>>342843832
which ones are you talking about? 2/3? they don't spot you for years. SF? They nerfed them. except the base turrets, but those are like that to prevent spawn camping.
>>342842597
>Reaper has no real counter
Pharah.
>>342843861
You may cry as well
>>342843858
i second this man
>>342842880
To be fair this more demonstrates the limitations of a controller, since you can't "snap" to one direction or another with analog controls.
But yes, it's nonetheless stupid and why there isn't crossplay between pc and console users since even shitty pc users would stomp the best console players with ease.
>>342842880
He even reloaded lmao
Someone post the webm of how shit console players are where half a team can't hit a DVA player
>>342843858
Aim assist is necessary for ALL console players (on whatever specific game), but you have to be precise with a mouse.
Think about that for a second and reevaluate, anon.
>>342843861
The thing he's attacking is a player. His sensitivity is lower than the movement speed of the attacker, and he also doesn't use a native ability to outheal him (which it would definitely do)
>>342843858
>precision aim and reflex are crutch
>auto-aim isn't
Torby isn't broken at all. I play on PS4 and he's the same way I see PC players generally describe him; annoying for morons that can't think but easy enough to deal with if you actually know how to play. I mean he can be pure terror when it's 6 of him on defense, but lowering his damage won't fix that.
Honestly this kinda upsets me because when I play Torby I just go full harassment with the sentry half the time; I don't have the time to find a good place to put it and get it to level 2 so I just dump it anywhere to take potshots at the enemy team and distract them from the fact that I'm also shooting them with my gun/the other 5 teammates. This is gonna kill that strategy hard.
If they absolutely gotta nerf the sentry then just nerf level 2/3 at least.
>>342840791
>/v/ told me blizzard would eventually drop support on consoles and only update PC versions
>consoles getting patch and pc isn't
i knew i was right when i bought the xboxone version
>>342844115
You lazy fuck
>>342841840
>>342843789
You literally didn't read what he said
>>342842794
Pharah probably, again aiming problems people cant shoot her out the sky easy and with torb turret getting nerfed it's a buff to her because turrets wont instagib her easy
>>342843956
And how many of them also play the game with a gamepad instead of a non-retarded controller?
>>342843875
It's the opposite on consoles for a reason.
A console thumbstick with very high sensitivity can quickly turn to their target, the reason this works without killing their "precision" is because every console shooter has AIM ASSIST. The aim assist slows down their sensitivity when an enemy is near the center of their screen, allowing them to be more precise with their aiming. As such, high sensitivity is the console way.
In comparison, mouse users go for the precision of low sensitivity to make minor adjustments because even when low, they can immediately flick their mouse across the desk and turn 180° in an instant anyway.
>>342843967
They said from the beginning that they'd balance console and PC differently.
The meta is completely different on consoles. Symmetra is very commonly picked from what I understand, but she is very rarely even considered on PC.
>>342843956
So no proof whatsoever, got it.
>>342843858
How can one post be so wrong
>>342840791
I played this game for a little the other day and I'm getting tempted to buy..how's pharah? I think I like her the most
>>342843858
A mouse won't make you aim automatically get better.
Just check out all the shitty Genjis even on PC that can't aim for shit.
>>342842880
They need to nerf whorebjorn's turrent range turnspeed and lock on time, and bastion's health, alongside the widow and mceee nerfs we still didn't get
>>342844084
I remember there was an attempt by Microsoft to include cross-play in an FPS, but pc players dominated so hard that they scrapped the idea.
sauce:
http://www.techspot.com/news/39738-microsoft-killed-cross-platform-project-because-pc-gamers-wrecked-console-gamers.html
>>342844181
6 Torbs on defense on PC is fucking ass. Literally just get Reinhardt and Zarya. Eat the damage then Zarya hits hard as fuck while her pushers take potshots at the turrets from behind Rein.
>>342843987
Won't matter soon.
With consoles turning into a yearly phone like product that keeps retards coming back, devs won't give a shit about them anymore
>>342842880
I don't see a console player here I just see a retarded player in general. I won't pretend to play Bastion so much that I know the proper strategy here but I do know that there's a million ways around that, least of which is changing your aim sensitivity.
>>342844401
Widowmaker is not a problem on consoles at all. You hardly even see her compared to the amount of Hanzos.
>>342844316
I told you I'm not going to find it because I don't want to sift through hundreds of pages of the same video, just to finally find it and the thread archives.
>>342844276
Not many, but all I'm saying is that it's possible and people have proved it. But in a practical situation, you're going to choose KB+M every time. I'm not denying that.
>>342840791
I've been a console player 90% of my gaming life and if my fellow console peeps think we can even come close to the accuracy of PC fags you're delusional.
I've seen some crazy accurate console players but it's comparing apples to oranges.
>>342844401
>Nerfing Bastion
Nah son. You must be low rank cause even on console Bastion is a joke.
>>342843769
Taking damage interrupts and stops the heal, he would just sit there trying to initiate it over and over again while getting tickled to death.
>>342844418
>The slaughter was so bad, Sood says that Microsoft even pitted "mediocre" PC gamers against "the best" console gamers in testing, and the results were unchanged: the keyboard and mouse prevailed.
>>342841174
I've only experienced the opposite. PC player could barely aim and move at the same time on controller, it was bizarre. We were all joking about how shit he was on a controller and he just kept saying it's because consoles are trash.
>playing overwatch
>on console
>playing shooters
>on console
>>342844357
>>342844357
she's a lot of fun, if you can lead a target it's a blast to annoy the fuck out of the other team.
>console wars are literally ok when activision does it
you just don't make that shit up.
Are you able to plug a keyboard n' mouse to your console? Do you still get the aim assist? I can see one guy crushing the whole enemy team while doing this.
>>342843858
implying you could hit someone without aim assist you potato
>>342844668
>PC player could barely aim and move at the same time on controller,
Now you're just making up shit by stealing ideas from Polygon to defend controllers
>>342842880
the l4d console ports had a "turn 180" button to solve this exact problem
>>342843858
If this is bait, congratulations, you succeeded.
You yourself are indirectly admitting that controllers are inferior, but it's PC players fault for stating the facts?
>u r wrong bcuz muh feels
>>342843018
Level 1 turrets are trash, it takes 3-4 seconds to upgrade it depending on how the Torb times their first hammer swing and only if it's undamaged the entire time, and there's an 8 second cooldown after building a turret before you can build another one. A good Torb still requires some actual brain function, the problem on consoles is that the average player is too retarded to take out a shitty Torb.
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>>342844651
I don't get it, who doesn't own a mouse a keyboard. Just plug it in to your console and BAM crossplay.
I mean shit son the fucking dreamcast got it right on it's first try.
>crossplay
>M+KB support
>even let you play on PC dedicated servers
>my PC is so shit i cant run overwatch
>get it for consoles because my friend want to play
>99% of the players are extremely bad
>so bad, they get one of the worst heros nerfed that can be taken out in seconds
>mccree and widow remain untouched on consoles
WEW
>>342844763
Both xbone and PS4 have native M+KB plug-and-play support, but it's up to each game to integrate such controls (zero or almost zero have done so).
>>342844791
Never read polygon in my life.
>>342844897
You might be the idiot if you really can't understand that neither Mccree or Widowmaker need a nerf on consoles because of the input difference.
>>342844889
Do you seriously expect console players to suddenly pick up KB + M for a game?
>m-muh couch play
>>342844897
nobody can aim on a controller, why would you bother nerfing Widow
McCree could probably still be nerfed but yeah it's not that big a deal on console, on PC he can still wreck shit easy after the nerf
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=wdWJOs31IfY
>>342842880
>he didn't even try changing directions
>>342843493
Your too retarded to argue with dude.
>>342844965
So why doesn't blizzard just do that instead of trying to balance two fucking different games at the same time?
why are people in this thread acting like playing with a kbm makes you a better player? no shit you're gonna be more accurate, you're using your entire fucking hand to aim a mouse as opposed to a stick with your thumb. dont be so fucking smug about obvious things that give you an edge
>>342845083
>0:35
>Flashbanging then headshooting genji
>>342843434
About on par with KBM.
>>342842880
That's not a problem with aiming on console though, that's just a low sensitivity.
>>342845083
McCree's new style is sexy
And you never see any shitters playing him for long
>>342845220
Because console players are far too stupid and lazy to change their current set up for M+KB
>>342843858
>being able to aim is a crutch
What a time to be alive.
>>342843780
>adding a 2 second delay is difficult
>>342845298
>using your entire fucking hand to aim a mouse as opposed to a stick with your thumb
>>342844815
Its like if we have a boxing match. I tape my fists, you wear brass knuckles. The brass knuckles are a superior weapon that will make it easier for you to be good. That's what the mouse is. Yes its "more accurate" and a better tool for the job, but its less fun and doesnt mean you have more skill for using it.
let's cook dinner. i cook from scratch while using a recipe (aim assist) you heat a frozen dinner or call for takeout. You used "superior tools" but I'm the better fucking cook.
Asshat.
>>342845083
>nobody can aim with a controller
this is not true though,its just the 99% majority are just plain bad at videogames
>>342845220
Because then
>unfair setting
>I don't want to buy a mouse and keyboard just for this game
>As if I'm going to sit at a desk and play this i want to be on the couch
And so on and so forth.
Those who use an XIM (mouse and keyboard that mimics controller output) are practically seen as cheaters with the sort of precision they gain by using M&KB on console shooters.
>>342840791
But I don't get it. Why the turret? It's not moving at all, why do they need to be accurate?
>>342843845
>that webm
I know this isn't the least bit erotic in nature
but I got hard anyway
>>342845514
This is some of the dumbest shit I've seen on /v/ in years. Congratulations.
>>342845514
>FOOD ANALOGY
console cucks, everybody.
it's like we didn't already know this. console players are mostly the dumbest of the dumb, third worlders and career mcdonalds employees
>>342840791
>filename
>>342844150
>it's another PC mustard who thinks consoles have 10/10 auto aim sniper rifles and have literally never played a console shooter before.
Jesus christ you guys are fucking terrible at video games.
>>342840791
>Casual game played on casual platform
>/v/ has a problem with this
Wait unless you thought Overwatch was an esport....o-oh...
>>342845514
>I cut off my feet in a race because it's more fun
Do you also use a screw driver instead of a drill?
Oh wait you don't do any work like that because you're a child
>>342845815
>>342845498
you use more of your hand to move a mouse than you do to move an analog stick. this is fact. this gives you more stability and more precision over where your crosshair is going. having the tools to aim with more ease does not make you a more skillful player, it just means you have less of a handicap while playing
>>342845815
Depends on the game really. Sniping in Overwatch is legitimately hard with a controller compared to shit like sniping in Destiny where the game slathers aim assist on sniper rifles and snipers can then get perks to further increase aim assist.
Console controls are more janky than PC controls, and when it has an instant auto lock-on even if you're just peeking the corner, it can get annoying. So the nerf makes sense, and that's coming from someone who has Torbjorn as his 3rd most used hero.
PC users don't know true hell until they've been attacking against a 6-man Torbjorn team on consoles. If that shit gets pulled in Numbani, Volskaya or Hanamura, only way to pull a victory out your ass is if everyone goes D.Va, but you'll always get those faggots that refuse to change from Hanzo or Junkrat because of "muh ult %".
>>342845514
No, it's like we both are cooking the same meal, but you cook in a dirty kitchen with rusty knives.
Then you get mad when your food tastes like dog shit ¯\_(ツ)_/¯
>>342845952
Clearly it does, saying "I'm handicapped" as an excuse doesn't mean shit.
Some people want more control over the game, I guess you just aren't up for it
>>342842880
I expect this webm to appear in every PC vs Console thread from now on..
>>342845675
>filenameGood one.
>>342842880
>>342846026
And then there's games like BLOPS3 where Aim assist was literally a balancing point (every gun has different amounts of it while every sniper rifle besides the P-08 having zero) and Killzone where there is literally no aim assist.
And yet look at all the insane sniper rifle gameplay from BLOPS3 on YouTube.
>>342846110
>fighting torbjorn
>don't pick junkrat, pick d.va
>>342846261
who hurt you kojima
>>342846110
>6-man Torbjorn team on consoles. If that shit gets pulled in Numbani, Volskaya or Hanamura, only way to pull a victory out your ass is if everyone goes D.Va, but you'll always get those faggots that refuse to change from Hanzo or Junkrat because of "muh ult %".
thats the problem console players dont want to adapt, they just want get easy wins with not changing character. its dumb how a stationairy turret kills as many people as it does on console when it takes phara less than 2 seconds to destroy it. ive had games where i have destroyed over 25 turrets and my team still couldnt do anything about the manlet with a beard walking around
>>342846312
On hanamura or Volskaya specifically, it's easier to just run in with a full team of D.Va as they can soak the damage easier. Plus, her Ulti will be able to take them all out easily. If one sad little Junkrat wonders onto point against a 6-Man Torbjorn team he's just going to get mowed down.
>>342846110
Now I'm going to wonder when I hear someone say they got killed by some dumbass shit, what system they were playing on.
>>342845593
Torbjorn's turret has instantaneous target acquisition and a turn rate that lets it do a 180 in about one fifth of a second. As per its design (of being weak and slow-firing as fuck, but quick on the draw and can be replaced quickly), a player is expected to take a couple hits from it while they take it out.
If pretty much anyone or anything else is around there to fuck with you, taking out the turret is not quite so easy. Put it in the setting of moving and aiming with thumbsticks and there being multiple Turrets, console players have trouble with it.
And even scrubby PC players aren't exempt. Hell, just last night on PC my group of friends went 5 Torbjorn and one Pharah on Hanamura Defense. The enemy didn't even come close to the first point but they sure as fuck bitched incessantly about it at the results screen. Most people who play video games happen to be really REALLY bad at video games.
>>342845101
Wouldn't have changed a thing. His sens is too low to keep up. Winston would just turn the other way.
>>342841817
That is not a thing, but 3/10 the mere idea of that is enough to get me to reply.
>>342846312
I've never had any problems with Junkrat as Torb. Is he actually supposed to be a threat?
>>342842880
console players will never recover
>COME ON ARE PEOPLE REALLY THIS SHIT ON CONSOLES
It's the control scheme that's shit on consoles. That's even exactly what your quote says.
>>342846640
But what has this to do with the players not aiming properly? The turret stands still. You don't need to be accurate with your aim.
>>342846705
>can fire at the turret at angles where it can't even shoot back
>can kill both the torb and the turret at the same time
>has a weapon that's balanced around how difficult it is to land direct hits with the slow ass projectile speed, being used against something that doesn't move.
>>342846784
It's not even, "shit" moron. Nobody fucking cares about console controls unless you're 1) a PC autist or 2) trying to use a controller when other people are using M+KB. Are you just casually ignoring the fact they had to nerf Widowmaker on PC because Mustards couldn't handle it?
>>342846927
>can fire at the turret at angles where it can't even shoot back
>putting your turret so close to places where that's possible from
>can kill both the torb and the turret at the same time
>standing next to your turrets when you see junkrat shit next to it
Seems like an issue of turret placement. Not too difficult to put your turret in a place where junkrat can't reach it without getting killed by the rest of your team on most maps.
>>342846182
well its clear youve successfully baited me into arguing with your dense ass for 10 minutes good job
>>342847024
>Are you just casually ignoring the fact they had to nerf Widowmaker on PC because Mustards couldn't handle it?
Are you just casually ignoring the fact that they're not nerfing Widowmaker on consoles because nobody can aim for shit with a controller in the first place?
>>342841190
Bye retard.
>>342846110
>Enemy team has 2 Bastion fortresses set up
>Pick Hanzo because Dragons
>Junkrat on team starts shittalking
>"Why pick fucking Hanzo against this?"
>He's died more than anyone else
>Ask him why he's still Junkrat
>"Because my ulti can actually fuck them up faggot"
>He gets his ulti
>It gets mowed down in less than 2 seconds
>I use mine and get a qintakill
>Mfw our Reaper tuns to him and slow claps
Games been out for like a month now, there's no excuse for not knowing your counters, even on consoles.
>>342847024
You can't deny that the controller gives less precision in a first person shooter than KB+M. In fact, that's exactly the REASON they're not nerfing her on consoles - the shit control scheme is already enough of a damper on the power of a sniper.
>>342846694
A double-fake-out would have at least let him touch the guy. And it seemed like his turn-speed & winston's movespeed were evenly matched.
In fact I bet on the bastion's screen he was JUST behind the winston the entire time.
>>342843215
>The industry standard for controllers should be changed because a couple genres out of the dozens available that were originally designed with kb+m in mind doesn't work as well as kb+m
Yes, because let's ignore the genres where controllers excel over kb+m just so we can play shitty fotm shooters on a platform the genre wasn't even made for.
I play on ps4 and have no trouble eliminating turrets with a little patience and skill.
>>342847024
>Being this retarded
>>342847443
>being this smug after kenny omega bopped you
Go back to practicing SFV Xavier
>>342847737
And then winston jumps over him to the other side. No bastion was dead all along.
>>342841263
food analogy time
it's like trying to filet a fish with a dull knife
it's possible but you'd be better off with a sharper knife
>>342843832
Reminder that Killzone is one of the better console MP games on the market, yet gets completely ignored because it doesn't let players just start playing with zero understanding of mechanics and let's them "do well" .
i heard the console overwatch still supports kb+m though
is that true
>>342847768
me either but looking at my stats apparently other people do considering i over a 5.00 kdr at one point, but thats because people on console are shit and wont adapt but will still complain
>>342846110
I have literally never seen a 6 Torb setup that didn't have weakpoints to exploit, but you'll probably say that the other team didn't do it right according to your magical perfect turret layout that doesn't exist.
>>342843215
>You had Game Bloggers arguing that the Controller was more fair because aiming with a mouse is too easy
It's the same retards who think hunting rifles should be banned because they take no skill and you should use a bow instead.
>>342848016
actually, there's a set-up on route 66 defense that you can do with 6 torbs
the other team finally reached the payload for the first time and was able to move it 1m before they ran out of time
