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>>342839810
>>342839810
>NO
>Also has a no symbol
That's a double negative! Which is proof positive!
>>342839810
>people bought into this scam
>>342840407
t.proud star citizen contributor
>$114million
>into the pockets of a few meme game developers
>no game delivered
>new TOS that no refunds will be given
LOL
>>342839810
>paying thousands of dollars for pixels
>>342839810
>people paid for nothing
>some people are still happy about it
>>342840667I just wanted to reference Clue actually.
>>342841460
who?
>>342840938
>no refunds will be given
How can they just changed their TOS and not give refunds. Isn't refunds for purchases legislated? These pricks should go to prison.
>>342840938
i've never accepted the new ToS's, and they still deny refunds.
>>342842474
They are con artists, read more at
http://www.dereksmart.org/2016/06/star-citizen-fidelity-of-failure/
basically, if you aren't american youre fucked.
CIG/RSI has won atleast one case in the UK and now an EU case against them seems pointless.
>>342842824
>Since most gamers don’t ever read these things, it is to be assumed that most would just merrily click on the new ToS “agree” button, as that was the only way they could gain access to the game they had already paid for.
This is what clinches it. They have agreed to the old TOS, paid their money, and to keep playing the game they have to agree to new TOS which states they can't get their money back. Complete fucking scam.
>>342843171
part of EU law is that they are not allowed to offer less rights than what the laws already do.
basically, they cannot enforce any of the parts that say "no refund", but they still do.
you literally cannot do anything against them but take them to court.
because the customer support straight out have a policy to tell you no and put you on a permanent "do not reply list"
>>342842824
>believing anything from Dr. Derek Smart MD PhD
>>342843537
>you literally cannot do anything against them
You can't do anything against anyone that has wronged you except take them to court. Apart from non legal options obviously.
>>342843828
t. another happy contributor
lol
>>342843925
they literally have policies to turn away all customers seeking refuneds they have legal rights to.
it's pretty shit policy to have, and you can't report them to authorities because they have 4 shell companies and the assets aren't reported at all.
they literally running a scam.
>>342839810
Overwatch too. Blizzard shills have an all sales are final policy on games they let you pre-order.
so If I'm american and haven't agreed to the new tos, can I still get a refund?
>>342844069
agree with you 100% mate. They are scum. Just saying when scum takes your money through theft/deceit/etc there's nothing you can do except take them to court. Their policies, which I think will be their downfall if they ever get to a supreme court, or legislation don't grant them any special loopholes.
>>342842716
Maybe their old ToS said they can change the ToS at anytime.
I'm just lmaoing at all the people that bought into kikestarter. Not even once. Hope you guys learned your lesson.
>>342844513
I'd try to asap, these new TOS are basically trying to cover their bases to give the bare minimum back. Longer you wait, worse your chances.
>>342844513
take them to court while you can.
contact derek smart, he'll be happy to help.
if you've spent more than 500$ it might be worth it.
there's loads of lawyers out there that want a piece of CIG
At least in the US isn't it law that "agreeing" to TOS that disobeys federal law doesn't actually bind you to the contract?
>>342844624
>Maybe their old ToS said they can change the ToS at anytime.
that would never hold up in court fyi. It's the equivalent of a contract where one party can change the terms whenever they like. They can change it, but it other party needs to accept it. Acceptance cannot be automatic.
>Hope you guys learned your lesson.
literally this. Dumbfucks giving their money away to feel special and getting jewed.
>>342839810
sauce on the vid? i wanna laff at it
>crazy budget
>long over deadline
It's almost like this exact same thing has happened before and history does, in fact, repeat itself.I just hope the end result is as fun as freelancer
>>342845042
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=VltHlKsGgvM
>lame slutty gamer girl
>cuck yellow gamer happy to give away money
kek away friend friend
>>342845195
I don't know why Gus is being so forgiving. The Know probably makes anyone they use dicksuck any game they discuss so they can keep getting shillbux.
>>342845195
I DUNNO WHAT'S FUNNIER
DESE """""""gamers"""""""
OR THE NO REFUND POLICY
>>342844879
>if you've spent more than 500$ it might be worth it.
>more than 500$
W-what
>>342845632
Have you not heard of the absurd payment tiers for Star Citizen?
Still not as big a scam as pic related
>>342845754
how much money has this kiked out of people?
>>342839810
>people fell for the "BEST SPACE GAME SIMULATION EVER, YOU CAN DO EVERYTHING"
>just give us all your money, you'll see
I now see why the world is burning, the people living in it are complete fools
>>342839810
post yfw you didn't give scam citizen money
>>342845754
>tfw you donated to the Homosuck kickstarter
>>342842824
>Derek Smart
>Not a complete fuckin con man
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=au6mMl5A79Q
>>342844513
You were never entitled to a refund, they are given out on a case by case basis.
The idea of any in development crowdfunded game giving out refunds is hilarious and wrong. Pledges are not buying anything.
How do they manage to fuck up making a game with over 100 million dollars? Was Chris Roberts eating the budget away with his yacht's and Ferraris?
>>342845926
>>342845754
Never heard of it, what's the story?
>>342839810
This is people get for backing projects that ask less than they need to develop a game and that put a deadline that wont be enought to finish the game
>>342846001
>hehehhe
>HHEHEHEHEE
>hehehehehehhe
I dont give a fuck if dsmart is a worse conman than jew citizen but that video was insufferable. I lasted about 1 minute
>>342845932
>likes homestuck
>gave money to kikestarter
>finds jojo meme shit funny
checks out
>>342846286
Hussie gave millions to a studio to work on the game, studio instead used all of the money to make their own game and told him to fuck off or they would sue him.
>>342846001
Is it even possible for Derek to get a word out before his own feet dive into his mouth?
>people dropped hundreds/thousands on scam citizen
>>342846439
Who is Hussie?
>see star citizen
>holy fuck this game is ultra super mega awsome
>dont back it because I dont prepay games, and without receiving my money back this would be equal to prepaying a game
>discover rogue system
>way better than star citizen while being developed by just one guy (at least it was at the time) and way smaller buget
>>342846286
So you have this guy Andrew Hussie who makes this webcomic called Homestuck. Initially it's like a modern day Hitchhiker's guide to the galaxy, but in a moment of brilliance/sadism, Hussie introduces 12 alien characters all of whom are "trolls" and based on Tumblr stereotypes and astrology signs
This naturally makes the readership swell to absurd size, and cause autism the likes that had never been seen before.
Hussie, now with a huge fanbase, makes a Kickstarter for a point and click "Homestuck Adventure Game", but with a different cast because his webcomic was far too big and autistic to give a video game to
He raises 2.5 million dollars on Kickstarter
He promises the game will be out by 2012
He hires a studio called "The Odd Gentlemen" to develop his game, apparently they just embezzle the money and make King's Quest instead lol
But he doesn't sue The Odd Gentlemen, so he's either a pussy or was dipping his hand into the pot himself
TLDR: Webcomic raises millions of dollars for video game, fails to deliver it, scams all his fans worse than Con-Man
>>342846612
Go google it dumbfuck.
>>342846439
I really wish Hussie had taken them to court. It would have put the game off even longer but there's no way he would lose, what they did was absurdly illegal. The nigger is too nice for his own good.
>>342846575
I am clueless about all this story, why it is a scam?
I only discovered it on kickstart a month after it ended, and with all those space games being made forgot to go back to look at more info
>>342846672
wow rude
>>342846665
>There are people that actually know Hussie for Homestuck and not Problem Sleuth
>And they post on 4chan
>>342846824
It's taking a really fucking long time to make, also people are forgetting Squadron 42 (Wing Commander like story game) is being developed before Star Citizen, and CIG is very secretive about its development.
SC has made enough progress to keep me happy, plus the asset leak was plenty of evidence they're getting shit done.
>>342846937
>there are people who actually know Hussie
kys
>>342846937
>le I know this shady merchant from before he was cool
kill yourself
>>342846665
wew lad what a storywho is Con man ?
>>342847018
>>342847064
>Taking pride in being a newfag
>>>/out/
>>342839810
Is this the game where people payed thousands of dollars for virtual space ships?
>>342847142
Chris Roberts because hes taking a long time to make a video game, hence the scam stuff.
>>342846968
>It's taking a really fucking long time to make,
How this make the game scam?
>developers says that they will put alot of bullshit on the game
>"the game wont be released, this is too much, its a scam"
>developers says that they will put alot of bullshit on the game
>developers spend an extreme amount of years doing the game
>its a scam
By that logic dwarf fortress is a scam, he started to develop it on the year 2002 and didnt finished it yet
>>342847172
>taking pride in knowing some obscure hack
>implying you're an oldfag
gb2r
>>342842824
>Linking Derek Smart
>Seriously
HAHAHHAHHA
>>342839810
Anyone who donates to kickstarter is cancer killing vidya. Same about buying shit from ingame shops.
>>342847292
>By that logic dwarf fortress is a scam, he started to develop it on the year 2002 and didnt finished it yet
Except Toady is a one-man team, has never asked for money or made his game less than totally free, and has actually made shit-tons of progress in the same time frame that SC has accomplished nothing.
>>342847292
but Dorf fortress is actually a game
Star citizen is somewhat between NMS and Cube world
>>342847292
t. happy cuck
>>342847613
>but Dorf fortress is actually a game
It wouldnt be if he wanted to reach current stat without releasing an alpha first
How much of the backer money did they spend on this baby?
https://vine.co/v/itelIwgEP9z
>>342839810
So glad I got my full refund.
>>342847961
I hope you never back another
>>342848052
Never ever m8.
Never ever.
I'm amazed people keep gaping their asshole and taking it dry everytime they ask for more money
>They've completely abandoned the Redeemer
Shame
>>342846665
holy shit
those scumbags are doing the king's quest "sequel;" As if I needed more reason to hate them
>>342848183
good lad
>>342847702
I didnt backed the game and think there are better space games being developed like, rogue system and infinity quest of earth, so I will problably not buy the game after its made.
The point is that to games that will have an extreme amount of things on it, you need an extreme amount of time to make them.
Without an extreme amount of time to make games, we wouldn't have stuff like dwarf fortress as some example.
>>342848579
>Games take time to develop
Anon, no stop that. The underage only know of the two year development time that Call of Duty has.
>>342847613
>Cube World
I was so excited for this and then Wollay shat on my hopes and dreams.
>>342842824
>dereksmart
I thought you guys were smarter than this
I mean Star Citizen is one thing but this guy is an even bigger hack
>>342847540
>has never asked for money or made his game less than totally free,
He actually said, the reason he is only working on 64bit version now its because it would take alot time to be developed and people would problably stop donating if this spend this huge time not releasing updates.
Then he saw that people spend still spent money during his "2 years to update" thing and now he know they can handle this.
>Those TOS changes
Good goy, pledge now
>>342846706
Didn't they have a contract that totally allowed Odd Gentlemen to take the money and run? I know that similar situation occurred with Yogventures. If that's the case then Hussie can't do shit because he already set the terms in writing and gave it to them.
It sucks, but it's almost impossible to undo something when it's in writing.
>>342848579
This.
Please keep giving Chris Robert's his luxury vacation money so he can maybe work on star citizen and release it in 30 or so years.
>>342839810
>PC exclusives
smdh
>>342848762
>Guy charges 100 dollars to play his mid 2000s-tier early access "MMO"
>Was so bad it was pulled from Steam
>Everything he's ever released has been complete shit, actual shit games
>People cite him in their shitposting
>Some even do it seriously
I don't get it. Smart is a failure and a complete fraud.
>>342849346
Better respond to yourself a few more times so it looks credible
>>342845089
>end result
anon I have bad news.
>>342847292
Honestly because its fun to make SC fans upset by saying its a scam. Realistically they've done nothing wrong but take a long fucking time to make a game, they had a ton of stretch goals which made it worse.
I still look forward to it but I'm not hyping it like a moron.
>>342848579
>promises made in gameplay and time expected were never delivered upon
>promises are later changed
b-but it takes time
>>342849346
Because SC is fun to make fun of, its probably going to end up being legit awesome though.
Derek is hilarious because hes fucking insane and every word he says is comedy gold.
>>342847292
Witcher 3 was a scam as well, but here we're [current year]
at this point, I don't think /v/ knows at all what it's talking about when it comes to this game.
>>342839810
This dumb fucker knows he went way beyond what he or anyone on his team is capable of. Anyone who could have possibly salvaged this burning wreck jumped ship ;) long ago.
Fucking hack is the epitome of 'idea guy'
>>342848579
THERE
IS
NO
GAME.
That is the scam. Oh my fucking God people. It's like you go out and buy Skyrim, and you only get the tutorial section with the promise of getting the rest of the game in next 20 years.
I'm so fucking happy about this. 114M $ fools' money. The people who pledged to this scam absolutely deserve it. I hope with the eventual collapse of this shit, the early acces meme ends.
>>342848579
>infinity quest of earth
never got why people don't shit on that guy more, feel like I've been watching that guy develop his shit for the better part of a decade.
Yet star citizen gets shit all over.
assuming the money is where the hate comes from.
>>342839810
>Retroactivly saying "NO REFUNDS"
That shit ain't going to fly in a court of law, and its just going to piss off the community.
Be sure to demand your refund now, and insist you are holding them to the terms of your original contract. Then when they say "fuck no" you can sue for breach of contract and maybe even make it into a class action suit
>>342850072
>There is no game
Shit, I guess I've been dreaming this whole time.
>>342850072
I want to see how far the denial goes. In 2019 they'll release something, a mediocre FPS with some mediocre dogfighting, and there'll still be people sayin they love it and that's exactly what they wanted.
Feels good man to see the project coming together
>>342844070
I got a refund on the pc version.
I had to tell them my PC couldn't run it at minimum settings though.
>>342842824
HI Derek Smart, i didn't know you were a /v/ poster
>>342849734
>promises are later changed
EVERYONE CHECK THIS
I really didnt knew this happened.
Oh yes, if they made that, its TOTALLY OK to get angry with them.
And I also getting angry at this now.
Anyway, as a similar example, I got so angry with an game called dead linger last week that I got an headache, and I didnt even backed or brought the game.
PS: this dead linger, is a game that said that would be a real zombie game (instead of those zombie safari games), or "deathmatch in a map with zombies and food", the game was released at beta (at least compared to what the game would be) and last year they said they wont be making the game anymore because the lack of funds
>>342850435
> I guess I've been dreaming this whole time.
Couldn't have said it better myself. Maybe it's time to wake up.
>>342850467
Yeah. Still not complete, but you can see it coalescing. Arena Commander is also fun as shit.
>>342846937
I believe the point of the story was to talk about Homestuck and it's relevance to the game.
Talking about Problem Sleuth would not have been relevant.
Always do the contrary of what /v/ says.
Game is already a blast despite the numerous bugs and the content being sparse. Hopefully 2.7 will bring planets and 2.5 cargo.
>>342850902
No one said it was close to completion, but it's definitely headed in the right direction and coming together fast.
>>342850914
Literally happy cuck.
>>342850914
How delusional are you?
>game is fun despite it being broken and empty
Hooooooly fuck
>>342850873
Yeah man. Where's that lamp that is off? I need to find it. Maybe it's 2007 still.
>>342850528
>>342850723
>>342851010
Nice meme!
>>342850914
>he lets conmans take his money
>>342851007
>No one said it was close to completion
Fuck me, anon didn't say it was close to completion either. You agree with anon but still have to try to demonstrate a sense of superiority.
The fuck is wrong with you?
>>342851052
>basic mechanics work fine
>multicrew is working perfectly fine
>exploration is fun
>controls are tight
>ships control really well, all of them are dynamically destructible, parts destroyed dynamically change the way they handle because it's all physics driven
I know you don't give a fuck about the game, space games are typically niche and this is /v/ where console users are a majority, but at least freshen up your bait a little. We have a dozen of space stations, a couple of asteroid belts in a gigantic open world map.
>>342850454
I can guarantee it. The cult comparisons arent a joke, some people lose all sense of logic when they fanboy a game.
I almost wish Roberts declared himself a deity so we can see at least a dozen RSI and redditors posters start a church in his name.
>>342851281
Looks great, coming together nicely ;)
https://youtu.be/W1Jw7Kx80f4
>>342839810
My MFG Crosswinds finally arrived the other week. Shit is tight. The real deal.
AC got a ton more fun once I got the pedals all configured.
>>342851129
Well, what else do you call a happy scam victim?
>>342851353
>early alpha has bugs
STOPS THE PRESSES STAR CITIZEN IS FINISHED!
>>342851281
>Play ED while waiting for SC to further develop
>Occasionally hop onto SC when I get tired of ED's bullshit
>Covalex shipping hub has more meaningful exploration than the entirety of ED combined
It feels bad man. I wish FDev weren't so incompetent. Last update they put out gave slightly different colored bullets and a plethora of bugs.
>>342851512
>tfw I didn't even know you could get a good ending for the Covalex Personal Investigator quest
Fuckers are well hidden.
>>342851353
Am a backer.
Videos like this are funny as shit. I love the stupid brokenness of the game so far. Wish it was done, but I can wait for a solid product. Will put up with anons' shit until then. :3
>>342851506
I'll see you in five years when we're still in "early alpha" my friend ;)
>>342839810
>this thread
>t. shill
>buy my game by derek smart goy
>>342851506
>muh alpha
>10 years later
>will still be in alpha-beta riddled with AIDS cause they cant get even a tenth of the 100 star systems in 4 years
Star Citizen is a failed project. They are burning money at this point.
>>342851235
He's overly defensive because he got scammed.
>people still believe a small team can effectively use that much money to create a high budget game
It takes a shit load of people to make a AAA game. It's not some easy pisswork. Anyone who donated is a fucknut in the first place with too much money to blow.
>>342851076
TLDR
I was assuming THIS:
>"I WILL GAME WITH ALL THOSE FEATURES, X, Y, Z,W . SEND ME MONEY"
>SPEND ALOT OF TIME DOING IT
>PEOPLE COMPLAIN
When in fact what is happening is this
>"I WILL GAME WITH ALL THOSE FEATURES, X, Y, Z, W..... SEND ME MONEY"
>"GAME WONT HAVE FEATURE Z OR W"
>PEOPLE COMPLAIN
Its ok to complain if you are at situation 2 (the situation we are at now, but I didnt knew that we were at) but not if you are at situation 1
>>342851606
I've completed that quest several times, but only recently found the good ending. I've never been able to end up back at Olisar due to a bug from further exploration or being killed somehow. But that extra bonus you get from the lady is nice. It let me buy a pirate armored suit.
>>342851820
Its worse than that. They have around 300 people last i heard and still fucked it up.
>>342851676
I mean, look, I get that some folks are pissy about Star Citizen.
But you have to be delusional to think Smart's games look better. Like, shit... here's an actual broken-ass game, and here's Star Citizen alpha.
Mars-One will complete their mission before this game gets anywhere close to what was promised.
>>342843828
DERICK SMART'S DESKTOP COMMANDER
>>342846665
>Homosuck funded Kings Quest
That might have been a wiser investment in the long run.
>>342851356
Do pedal setups actually help?
How do they stack up versus M+K? My gut is telling me that pedals and all that stuff may have a higher skill ceiling but that M+K are gonna romp you any day of the weak because of how streamlined it is.
>>342851885
At the moment its
>SOME OF FEATURE A IS SORT OF WORKING AND FEATURE B AND C ARE BROKEN AS FUCK BUT WE PATCHED IN 1/15 OF FEATURE D AND IT TOOK US 6 MONTHS BUT THE GAME WILL BE OUT IN GOOD TIME PROMISE ;)
>cue star citizen fanboys cumming over a WIP clothing shop and calling rational complaints trolling
>>342851919
>300 people
>>342852271
A mouse is better for aiming gimbal weapons and offers precision a stick has a hard time matching. Actual flying and maneuvering is handled better by a stick though.
>>342851820
> to create a high budget game
They already said the game wont have some features they promised, this already happened.
You don't need to guess if the game will be finished or not.
If some company at the year 2000 say they will do a game equivalent to gta san andreas, but before finishing it, say they wont add some stuff and the game will be more like gta 1, the game WILL NEVER BE FINISHED
No matter how much money you spend on them or how much time they spend developing it, the game wont be gta san andreas, so in theory you should stop giving this company money.
This is what the guy that are still giving them money don't see.
DONT GIVE MORE MONEY TO STAR CIZITEN THE GAME THEY ARE DEVELOPING IS NOT STAR CIZITEN ANYMORE
IF YOU BACK DAY Z STOP GIVING MONEY TO THE COMPANY IF THEY SAY THEY WILL DO LEFT4DEAD INSTEAD OF DAY-Z
>>342852294
>IT TOOK US 6 MONTHS
You mean ED, right?
>Engineers update is delayed for six months
>Releases and is full of bugs, broken in many ways and generally unfun
>>342851919
>300 people
hahhahahaa holy shit
>>342852576
Shit, Derek is legitimately in this thread. Shouldn't you be developing your game, Derek?
>>342851919
Fucked what up exactly anon, their contracted companies are the fuckups. Ever since they brough modeling and development of fps in house things have actually fucking improved.
CGBot and Illfonic are fucking trash.
>>342852781
It's not Derek, hes confirmed to not know what 4chan is beyond the name.
>>342852794
That excuse should hold the retards like you off for another few months while they think of something better
>>342846937
>there are people that know about a fag for the thing that made him an e-celebrity, and not the thing that didn't
>fucking scandalous!
>>342850435
>19 fps
seems about right.
>>342852587
Nope, star citizen.
If CIG was even close to the empty grinding shell of Frontier's spess game, they'd declare themselves victorious and release a documentary of their great achievement.
Ive accpeted that ill probably buy CODinSpace, since even a casual shootemup will be more enjoyable than these pedigree wrecks.
>>342852490
Would a somewhat more expensive joystick with a built-in analog nub be worth it to get around this issue?
>>342852781
>People say I am a shill for star citizen
>Then say I am derek smart
What a weird world to live
What is stranger is that on other threads people usually complain about my english skills, glad to see I am improving it
>>342852794
>still having fuckups this late into development
Anon...
>>342852794
>shifting the blame on anyone but Roberts
You cucks will even put Foundry42 under the knife before you admit the guy up top is the problem.
>>342845754
Weren't their funds embezzled though? To the point where everything Hussie had going for him, including his webcomic, went off the fucking rails?
>>342853130
You are almost Indian customer support tier now, keep it up
>>342852930
>CGBot does models
>Barely any ships get made, 300i, Hornet, Mustang and Avenger are made and broken as fuck with awful models
>Ship development handed off to Frankfurt, Austin and LA offices
>Gladius, Sabre, Freelancer, Constellation Rework, Vanguard, Retaliator, Gladiator, Starfarer, Gemini, Reliant, Xian Scout and Idris Remodel are all finished in half the time it took CGBot to make 4 ships
Hi, you have zero idea what you are talking about except for being a walking shitpost.
>>342852969
>>342853095
Don't even bother with gimbals. They're easy to beat. Just get a nice HOTAS combo. I wish I had the income to pick up a Warthog HOTAS but I don't so I've got a logitech stick and a CH Pro throttle. Works fine.
>>342853307
>remodels
lol
>>342853246
The only people who say Chris is the problem is Smart and anonymous shitposters on the internet. Every single person both inside the company and those who met him in real life at conventions and bar meetups say hes one of the friendliest and hard working people they've ever met.
I'm going to go with their opinions over anonymous shitposters with nothing to lose, sorry bud.
>refunds
you havent bought anything to begin with, the money went into FOUNDING the game, you are not entitled to get a donation refunded. the ships you get are just a thank you for your generous donation.
>>342851189
What are you? Poor?
>>342839810
>M-muh memes with, "They're scam artists!"
Check your fucking facts.
https://robertsspaceindustries.com/comm-link//15355-Star-Citizen-Alpha-24-Available
The game has been in development for well over 4 years. For a game as vast as this one it's going to take some time. They're almost done, give it a year or two it will be released until then.
>>342853525
i meant FUNDING
>>342853525
it's not a donation retard. When investments don't come to fruition because of lazy workers it's a scam.
>>342853525
Crowdfunding has always been a risk, it's supposed to be a risk so people don't throw a fuckton of money into a pledge like a moron.
The meme that people should fight for refunds is retarded because it encourages people to spend way too much money in the expectation they deserve a refund at the first sign of doubt. No developer is going to just set aside all the money they raised in the off chance someone wants their money back.
They're going to spend it on software, staff and facilities, sometimes marketing.
>>342853623
>they're almost done
Hehe
>>342853773
>Investment
>>342853773
Crowdfunding is not an investment, you are not an investor, you have no investor control over your pledge. Almost every crowdfunded game states the only situations they will ATTEMPT to give you a refund is if development completely halts and the project is cancelled.
As long as there is even 1 dev working on the game it is considered active development, good thing CIG has 300+.
>>342854008
>donation
This shitty dev reminds me of Project Zomboid
Too little experience and understanding for all of their over ambitious ideas. Atleast zomboid was bailed out by modders doing all the work for them
>>342852490
This. But your inclination is also correct anon, at least as a guideline.
Mouse and keyboard are going to pick up and play and be good sooner than someone going in with HOTAS. Though generally they are going to have a lower maximum skill threshold than someone that learns their HOTAS setup.
Again, not a rule. There are some mouse and keyboard players that are masters and there are (quite a few) HOTAS players that are absolute garbage and should have saved some money on peripherals.
But if you're looking to get really good at flight sims and dogfighting, the HOTAS setup is the way to go. You're going to have to be dedicated and really buckle down and learn, but you'll smoke most opponents once you've punched your card enough times.
>>342853623
>They're almost done,
Anon I love ya but never say stupid shit like this again. SC is far from done, but its making tons of headway now that backend engine shit is complete.
>>342854020
well, it's closer to investment than a donation., but agreed it's not the same.
>>342851074
>pay for a steak
>be given rotten bread
>soulless riskless rehash comes out after 5 years of development
>/v/ complains
>ambitious crowdfunded game with never seen before technologies is being developed for not even 4 years
>waah its a scam vaporware!!
>>342846665
I thought homostuck was made bytoby fox
>>342854067
Are you one of those faggots that thinks they're "investing in fun" or something? Because if you are, please kill yourself.
>>342854232
>/v/ using food analogies again
>>342853623
>For a game as vast as this one it's going to take some time.
Not infinite time will make the game be released
unless you call original ideas minus features a game.
This is a important part of the entire story that you like me know.
I like you just discovered it on this thread here, see
>>342848579
>>342849734
>>342850723
Now matter how much time they spend on the game or how much money you throw at them they wont finish the game, since they already said the game wont have some features the game will have.
If they spend 100000 years on this game and receive 10000 trillion dollars the game wont be made.
IF THEY MAKE THE GAME WITH EVERYTHING THEY SAID THE GAME WILL HAVE NOW, THE GAME WILL STILL NOT FINISHED, BECAUSE EVERYTHING THE GAME WILL HAVE IS NOT EVERYTHING THEY PLANNED THE GAME TO HAVE.
>INB4 calling me derek smart
Derek smart complaining about the fact they have a huge list of features.
I OBVIOUSLY would be ok with them spending all this time and money on the game (even 10x more time and money) if at the end of all this they released the game with everything they promised.
>people are still paying real money for kickstart citizen
>>342854189
In spirit yes, but in rule no. Honestly like I said there needs to be the idea of RISK so people dont do dipshit things like drop a grand on a whim and then panic a few months later when they say the FPS matchmaking minigame is cancelled and demand a refund.
>>342854321
are you one of those faggots that gives away money to fund other peoples holidays
>>342854267
/v/ complains about everything, SC is the whipping boy for crowdfunded games because of its ambition and how long its taking.
Honeslty just sit back and watch everyone argue, its more fun that way and SC will continue being developed whether or not some anonymous poster is making shit memes about it.
>>342848937
I really wonder how the fuck people sign those kinds of contracts without actually reading them, they probably do this without lawyers because this shit doesn't fly when there is one to actually read it
>>342854565
>>342854471
>anonymous says the game wont be made
Well pack it in everybody, it was a good run.
The game is actually being made and they are doing a bunch of mocap stuff with famous actors right around now. Most of the cinematics and story stuff is done already. I hope Squadron 42 is really good. The MMO could take a lot longer to get all the planets finished.
it's not a scam. It's just weird to buy a game years before it comes out. Maybe they should have been more honest about it but the tortanic meme shit is just dumb.
>>342854925
Star Citizen is the shining example of "Ambitious games take a long time to make"
Some people just cant fucking handle it.
>>342855057
See: Nintendo
>>342854559
>in rule
I think the rules are being defined granted currently as crowdfunding is relatively new. Law takes some time to catch up with technology and I think it will fall more closely aligned to investments and contractual law rather than a simple donation. Now "funders" won't have the same rights as investors of a publicly funded company or anything but they surely have rights. There are conditions to the giving of the funds. And if those conditions are not met then the giver should have the right to, at least the ability to try, recoup a refund.
>>342845754
>That artwork
>Scammed
Good. Serves them right.
>>342851074
I know the game looks good.. but this is not a flattering picture at all.
>>342842474
I through TOS were as valuable in the EU as much as wet paperthat being said, is their fault for throwing money to a scam like this
>>342854294
He made some music used in it. He's not the creator.
>>342840667
Same
>>342855282
I dunno senpai it looks cute
>>342850381
Actually it will because of the fact the game is crowdfunded. Basically they worded it in two steps.
>Anyone from this point on who backs agrees to never ask for a refund and
>Anyone who backed previously may ask for a refund but that refund will only be granted if the money that that individual backed has not already been spent creating the game.
So basically they already spent all the money so you dont get a refund and any new money they get is nonrefundable.
>>342855316
I'm aware of that. I'm using an ini to try to make shit run better. I wasn't using that screenshot for graphical fidelity. Merely for the fact that it shows off the repair station.
>>342855204
>at least the ability to try, recoup a refund
I agree with this, but like you said with conditions. If any developer just decides to drop all development of the game, the people who backed deserve their money back. However, if you're a fucking retard throwing your money around blindly and are getting nervous that the thing you blindly threw your money at isn't coming out tomorrow, you deserve nothing.
>>342855204
100% agreed, well said.
>patch goes up
>huh neat
>check new files
>go datamining
>find final version of the main theme
Here it is if people are curious : https://soundcloud.com/user-393138560/star-citizen-main-theme-final
>>342854913
>Well pack it in everybody, it was a good run.
You are arguing about semants
Imagine you put money arma 5 and the company after some amount of time after receiving the money say they will do game like call of duty modern warfare, instead of their original idea.
After 10 years they release this call of duty game.
They release their game?
In some way they sort of did it, but they really didnt released it, because they told people they were going to make arma 5 not next call of duty.
If you compromise with kickstarter style game being released with anything less than ALL features than it was originally planed to be made thats ok and yes in this case the game will be made and they are spending all the time and money they need to release this game
But if arent ok with some company telling they will do X and then saying that their game (when become a finished product, instead of those current alphas and betas....) wont have Y or Z features, its obviously you will get pissed.
>taking derekt seriously
>>342847142
Inafune.
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>>342856017
>>342848937
Wait, why would they contract out the work?
Why not just pay a normal wage like a normal company until the work is done and just hire on the artist as a temporary position?
That way you can always get rid of the person if they aren't a match or uncooperative.
>>342842474
it's video games
no one gives a shit if you got scammed
>>342855770
>if you're a fucking retard throwing your money around blindly and are getting nervous that the thing you blindly threw your money at isn't coming out tomorrow, you deserve nothing.
Well, that will be decided on a test, eg; have the promisees neglected their obligations, lagged behind a deadline too long, deviated substantially from original agreement, etc. Idiots that throw money around have rights. If the thing you blindly threw money at never came out or was substantially different to what you originally paid for would you want your money back?
>>342856215
>Wait, why would they contract out the work?
Probably to get someone more qualified to do that specified job.
But that whole fiasco reeked of young, inexperienced entrepreneurs.
>>342839810
So much Something Awful & Derek Smart circle-jerking going on in here, holy shit, crowd sourced retardation galore. You fuckers are actually worse than hardcore SC fans, how can ye be so obsessed and put so much energy into shitposting about something that ye supposedly don't care about?
Anyway, for those that don't fancy swallowing retard cool-aid, here's what's actually going on in Star Citizen right now:
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=U4i1o-LPj-M
>saying Star Citizen are gullible idiots
>when you're literally arguing with DEREK SMART
>DEREK
>SMART
>DESKTOP COMMANDER
Smart is such a fucking worthless hack. He hasn't released a single working game in the entirety of his career, fucker bought Freespace 2's IP and ruined it. If you find yourself arguing on the same side of that retard, you can't be in the right, no matter the subject. He has legit mental issues, but I don't expect console children from /v/ to be aware of that.
>>342839810
CHARGEBACK
>CHARGEBACK
CHARGEBACK
>CHARGEBACK
CHARGEBACK
>CHARGEBACK
>>342856454
>10 bux
>>342856215
Contractors are borderline standard for the gaming industry in regards to employment.
>backed Mighty No. 9
>but at least I didn't back Star Citizen
How many times does this need to happen before you stop falling for the kickstarter meme?
>>342856427
>Lagged behind a deadline too long
See, this isn't always a good metric to decide by. Deadlines in video games aren't always met. Delays and shit happen. Regarding a difference, I'm not quite sure. Substantial would have to be paying for a video game and getting a deck of cards substantial. Anyone can just arbitrarily state that they were expecting x instead of xy and demand to have money back.
>>342856625
On the topic of anime, where did everything go so wrong and how did we go from pic related to fucking moeblobs and cancerous girls?
>>342856430
>how can ye be so obsessed and put so much energy into shitposting about something that ye supposedly don't care about?
Schadenfreude Tortanic syndrome.
>>342856789
Demographics changed, became more lucrative to appeal to moe culture.
>>342856454
>two retards are arguing
>one is right
Don't side with a retard even though he's right. This is your argument? You're like a feminist. Can't side with a white male even though he's right because it affects "the cause".
>>342847613
>Cube World
>Just now remembered that this fucking useless game exists and that I spent money on it
>>342839810
glad i sold my package long ago
i smelled ths trainwreck
>>342845040
>that would never hold up in court fyi
Yup.
You can't have a contract that is entirely beneficial to the creator.
You especially can't have a contract that can be re-written at a whim by the creator in order to subjugate his means.
This is fishy shit.
>>342856454
>fucker bought Freespace 2's IP
What??
>>342857138
rofl no one is taking CIG to court over failing to give them a video game, are you a fucking retard?
>>342857152
This isn't true, he tried to buy it, but the shitstorm from the fans made the studio not sell it to him (thank Christ)
>>342856670
I'd rather have nothing that is SC than something that is MN9. Fuck you Con-man you ruined everything.
>>342842824
scam citizen is shit, but so is derek smartalso, https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=tIn1_9YvGds
>>342857308
I never said any one should or would, nor did I imply it. So I guess you're the retard.
>>342856670
Star Citizen looks better than its concept art and isn't a chore to play
I see that the Star Citizen Internet Defense Force is hard at work here.
>>342856781
>isn't always a good metric to decide by
I think it is. Delays of course happen, agreed. But substantial delays, with very little progress on beta updates or whatever can be an indicator of not meeting requirements. Not the be all and end all be just one indicator. Delays happen in every industry and many are unforseen/uncontrollable, allowances should be made for things that are not anyone's fault.
>Anyone can just arbitrarily state that they were expecting x instead of xy and demand to have money back
except with crowdfunding and SC they explicitly said what the product/game would be, involve, what you can do, how it would play, etc. It's not just picking up a game based on coverart at the shops or whatever
>>342851353
Looks like they forgot to hire programmers and just have the artists throw together the art assets in a template starter project.
It's sad but also hilarious.
Behold, derek smart's creation!
http://steamcharts.com/app/266620
>>342855989
Stop using those shitty examples/analogies and just use the duke nukem forever example.
Duken nukem was released and it took alot of time to be done, but it was not everything they planned (at the start and middle of development) to be
>>342857680
http://store.steampowered.com/search/?term=3000AD
All this shovelware too.
>>342857680
mmmasterpiece
>>342857813
Because the game was scrapped and redone from scratch entirely. Normal successful games take a long time to be made, 5 years, even 7 for something as technically amibtious as Star Citizen is nowhere close to development hell.
>>342857856
He's made more games than me and that upsets me, but are they really all that shitty?
If a guy like this can make it, how do I get into game design?
>>342857541
It'll probably crash just as hard as Cuckstar
>>342857813
Duke Nukem was also passed around like a holiday whore in its development.
>>342858001
They don't even work, for most of them. He made some terrible WoW clone where he didn't pay the programmer, but when Smart handles the programming, the game never gets past the main menu.
>>342839810
fugg my dick meg is wearing a halter top in this video
>>342856454
>>342857152
>>342857337
Yeh, he didn't get it. I don't even think he could have if he wanted to. FS license is lost in space. Interplay have it but what the fuck have they done in the past decade?
>>342858130
So I need to be a competent coder to be a game designer?
Everything I learned from the indie game movie is a lie.
>>342858192
>>342857337
Thank god. That would upset me even more than that failure of a Battlefront that EA/DICE put out.
>>342858215
>Everything I learned from the indie game movie is a lie.
>>342858215
Being a competent coder makes you know what is within the reach of reality and what isn't. Game programming isn't rocket science, it's really easy scripting most of the time, you don't have to program graphics or low level stuff. Also yes, you need to program, everyone can draw fucking animu girls.
I'm sure, by this point, most people realize the reality of this project is not going to match projections. Stop giving them money, and explain to others wherever, whenever possible, why this company should not be given more money.
>>342858416
>everyone can draw fucking animu girls.
I CAN'T EVEN DO THAT
