How many of you knew about Aerith/Aeris's death BEFORE ever playing Final Fantasy 7? Did it make the scene any less sad for you since you knew it was coming?
How many of you didn't know and were surprised or saddened?
>http://www.strawpoll.me/10589357
TLDR
>Discuss Aerith/Aeris and her death
BONUS QUESTION: What do you think of the conspiracy theory that, Aerith/ Aeris was actually still alive but just severely wounded when Cloud laid her to rest and that he actually drowned her and that is what led to his alcoholic depression?
>>342781973
That scene was shown in both the commercials leading up to release and was on the back of the box.
>>342781973
I knew about it before.
>Game Theory Bullshit
Get that fucking trash out of here.
>>342782204
https://youtu.be/t9pF9BJQBLo
The commercial even says "a love that can never be" when showing that shot of Aeris and Cloud.
I knew about it beforehand because I played it for the first time this year.
The scene is literally impossible to avoid if you have an internet connection, it's like the video game equivalent of the scene whereDarth Vader tells Luke he is his father.
It was still pretty dramatic, especially since she was the most useful party member so it was a bummer to lose her.
Its like the Darth Vader thing, I don't think I'd feel much because before I even knew anything about this game I knew this one thing about the game.
>>342782204
Welp. Guess no-one even give a fuck back then either.
Anyway.
I wasn't saddened. If I was slightly annoyed at losing a party member.
I was more upset at other JRPG deaths.
>>342781973
Didn't know shit about jrpgs back then, no internet and people who recommended it to me thankfully were too bored to go all spoilery.
Its sad how everything today is spoiled even before it releases officially.
>>342781973
>BONUS QUESTION: What do you think of the conspiracy theory that, Aerith/ Aeris was actually still alive but just severely wounded when Cloud laid her to rest and that he actually drowned her and that is what led to his alcoholic depression?
It's just people looking too deeply into things as usual. The same people probably came up with the prostitute thing.
>>342782204
One could always believe that they were just going for a swim?
>>342783657
>The same people probably came up with the prostitute thing.
Oh boy here we go again.
You just couldn't resist opening that can of worms again could you?
Abandoning thread while its still fresh.
>>342782657
>>342782657
Or what about Kevin Spacey being Keyser Sozey.
Oddly enough that scene showing Keyser Soze with long hair in the movie reminds me of Sephiroth, I wonder if one influenced the other.
didn't know, laughed my ass off because phoenix down should just res the dumb cunt
>>342783506
>Its sad how everything today is spoiled even before it releases officially.
It's not sad, it encourages people to write better and more complex stories that aren't just relying entirely on simple twists.
A good story is something you can't spoil.
>>342781973
>How many of you knew about Aerith/Aeris's death BEFORE ever playing Final Fantasy 7?
Me.
>Did it make the scene any less sad for you since you knew it was coming?
I've had a lot of experience being spoiled. For example, I knew Han Solo was going to get frozen. But the scene still impacted me because of the great use of build up and music. Aeris dying on the other hand...wasn't done well. The song was great, but the scene had zero build up. And if you've played any FF game before VII, you would have seen her death coming from a mile away just based on her leaving your party. It also broke so many rules established by the game, it just became laughable. And no, I don't just mean the phoenix down law.
Basically, Aeris' death was as bad as Aria in FFIII or everyone in FFIV. She died just for the sake of someone dying. Every FF game does it. And they all do it poorly. I wasn't sad that she died, I was mad. Mad at how poorly it was executed and that I lost one of my core teammates. And mad that it made the story go into a 10 hour slump afterwards.
>>342784272
t. spoiler fag
>>342784162
Phoenix Down takes care of a KO, it doesn't bring people back from the dead.
I wanted to romance tifa anyway
>>342784402
t. Shyamalan
>>342784053
Sorry, I'm bored. And someone was going to bring it up eventually.
>>342781973
I kind of already knew thanks to stupid fucking game informer back in the day putting it up in a collage of screenshots.
Didn't really care either way because I liked Tifa better.
the scene is fucking stupid, the blade cuts through her stomach and she just slumps over like she's instantly dead - something tells me all the fucking healing spells and magical potions could perk that bitch back up
if I can survive a supernova, I can take a gut wound
A friend and I played it when it was new. I was like 11 and didn't really go online back then, never saw the commercials, and he had rented it, so I hadn't seen the back of the box. I didn't know it was coming. Not sure if he did.
Was surprised but didn't really care.
>>342781973
Poll is a perfect indicator of how young /v/ has become.
Most people didn't have dedicated internet, so people weren't constantly connected, and game communities were smaller.
You faggots and your constant connectivity ruin so much for yourselves. It's sad.
>>342784712
This could be said for 99% of fiction, there's always stuff that doesn't make any sense but at some point you just have to draw the line and say "it's a movie/book/game".
You are nit picking and arguing over semantics.
>>342784272
>A good story is something you can't spoil.
I agree that you can still appreciate a good story even if you know what's coming. But not everyone sees it that way. Your comment is dumb.
>>342781973
I don't really remember Aerith's death scene. Wasn't that impactful to me honestly. What I do remember is killing the Weapons.
People who care about spoilers are retarded.
>>342781973
It wasn't spoiled but I didn't give a shit when it happened either.
My younger self didn't give a single fuck.
I honestly still didn't give a single fuck until I played Crisis Core. Then I was sad.
>>342785058
>This could be said for 99% of fiction
Thankfully, that other 1% is actually written well and doesn't break the rules of its own universe.
Final Fantasy is just bad. They try to make scenes be impactful. But its not impacting if the scene goes completely against the games established rules and you're laughing at how cheesy it is.
I did, never willingly used her or got invested in her character any more than absolutely necessary so I didn't care.
Yuffie is the best.
>>342784712
Sep's sword is special and can kill her because the sword is special
>>342785356
Well how else are you going to do anything dramatic if no one could ever die because of magic items and spells?
>>342781973
I had the PC version an was snooping through the files and watched all the cutscenes. I never gave a fuck about Aries. Tifa all the way.
>>342785423
>>342785423
>tfw missed Yuffie on 1st playthrough
What a doggy dog world.
Well at least I got Vincent which seems to be the one character that newfags usually miss.
Cid is the only character I would have been sad to see die.
>>342785616
People in FF games do die. When a character reaches 0 HP, they don't die but rather go into 'KO' status. So the idea of a character being fully killed is fine. The problem is, the FF series hardly ever explains the difference between a character being KO'd and a character being killed. Its always a forced cutscene event that makes it so a character dies. In FFIV, they had to go to great lengths just to explain that characters like Palom and Porom couldn't be saved because 'they turned themselves to stone of their own free will'. Well that's at least somewhat of an explination, even if its really weak. But then what happens later in the game? Their 'elder' appears and turns them back to normal. Bwah? What the fuck? How could a guy who knows less skills than Tellah turn them back, but Tellah couldn't?
Its just plot convenience at its worst. Aeris is done even more poorly.
>>342781973
I DID NOT KNOW AND IT WAS SAD
>>342784318
this
There was no build up to her death and 30 minutes later we are doing a goofy snowboarding mini-game as if it never happened.
I knew and didn't play FF7 until a few years ago. I still got a little choked up which really surprised me.
I found out about it because of the name of a certain hentai website that I used to visit several years ago.
>>342781973
>didn't know she would die
>aeris was clinging all over another guy's dick
>cloud has tifa
>everyone has healing magic
Wasn't even sad for her death.
>>342786476
I found it before going to the website.
And then it made sense.
Is still around btw. I have no idea who adds new content
>>342781973
I didn't know but I felt her death was forced so it wasn't sad for me at all
Actually I find funny that all my classmates were talking about how sad was her death but I was annoyed as fuck because I lose a party member for no real reason
To be honest, I hate FF games now because most of the party members are killed or just leaves and enter the party for bullshit reasons (I love FF4 because the music but c'mon, the game was unbearable)
Now that I think about it, they are few jrpgs games that gave me actually feels. So far, I think Persona 3, Mother 3 and Dragon Quest V are the only ones
>>342782657
I used barret as my gun cleric
>it is 1997
>No good fuck casually spoils cait sith being a spy and aeris dying.
It didn't take away from the scene it was still. A batahit crazy moment and part of me thought he was lying.
>>342787050
Dragon Quest III and VIII as well. Along with Suikoden I-III which each one has a couple pretty powerful moments.
>>342786053
Why? Because he is literally a retard?
I mean if he had stopped the launch 5 seconds earlier everything would have been fine.
Yet he blames his wife for being careful and thorough (which you should be when you're launching a fucking rocket) even though he was the one who could have cancelled the procedure with a push of a button.
After replaying FFIV DS and enjoying it more than I did the first time, I decided to go back and play FFVII, where I had a similar negative experience. But all I can think of while playing it is how so many little things were improved in FFVIII. The interface, the interaction with pre rendered backgrounds, the flow of the story, more interesting locations, less random bullshit you need to use a guide to find, etc.
I honestly think this is going to be the fourth time I try to play FFVII and end up quitting. Just thinking about Disk 2 is making me lose my motivation to keep going.
>>342787050
Dragon Quest V was a feels factory.
>I hate FF games now because most of the party members are killed or just leaves and enter the party for bullshit reasons
That only really happens in what, one game? Two if you count FF II. Deaths and departures are fairly rare in FF, II and IV aside.
>>342781973
No one in the party really seemed to care about Aerith dying.
Cloud cared the most but I dont remember him saying much about it. Everyone just resumed business as normal. I honestly didnt feel anything although the "burial" scene was sweet.
>>342787963
>That only really happens in what, one game? Two if you count FF II. Deaths and departures are fairly rare in FF, II and IV aside.
FFV, character dies, party switching for plot.
FFVI, party members leave every 2 hours.
FFVII, you constantly switch party members (and all their materia). In just a 5 hour span, you lose Aeris then Cloud and Tifa as well.
FFVIII, you split up into groups often. No forced deaths, though the story tries to make it seem like Seifer and Rinoa died a few times. Also, all the Laguna flashbacks.
FFIX, (haven't played admittedly)
FFX, Not losing party members is one of the few redeeming parts of the game. But the game constantly hangs a dagger over Yuna's head making you think she's going to be gone (though since Yuna is Rinoa 2.0, I would have been all for it).
FFXII, constant switching for plot convenience yet again.
I would wager to say I haven't seen a series do this shit as much as FF.
>>342788013
>No one in the party really seemed to care about Aerith dying.
Probably because it was added late in development. Still no excuse considering how fractured the story is. Especially when Aeris dies.
>>342788416
I thought we were talking about things that seemed to happen for no reason. Switching characters and characters dying because of decent story related reasons isn't what I consider "no reason". In fact, I find it kind of funny that you should complain about character leaving for no reason when oftentimes characters in JRPGs join and/or stick with characters for basically no reason.
>>342787393
>wife
Umm...
>if he had stopped the launch 5 seconds earlier everything would have been fine
This was the first rocket they built. Realistically he wouldn't have been able to shut down 5 seconds earlier even if he wanted to, and there is no way in hell that rocket would be in one piece. That failed launch went as good as it would at that point.
>>342788763
>Realistically he wouldn't have been able to shut down 5 seconds earlier even if he wanted to
Wrong, the rocket stopped pretty much right after he aborted.
Too bad he didn't push the button a minute earlier like a normal human being would have after hearing that a person is in danger.
>>342788697
The guy you were quoting said "party members are killed or just leaves and enter the party for bullshit reasons"
I consider most party switching in FF games to come at random times and have little reason. You walk into a town and suddenly a plot trigger happens. And the one character you haven't been using the whole game is suddenly forced on your team. And you can't leave the town until you complete their side story. And fuck you if there's some strong boss or you need a specific skill to proceed. Apparently you should have seen that part of the story coming and prepared for it.
I knew about it for probably the past 10 years and I am just playing through the game now.
What got me though was the fact that her theme plays throuth the Jenova boss fight right after her death. That and how the characters animations are (CGI and in game) are very touching to me.
The dialogue there (with much the rest of the games dialogue) was horrible and what brought me out. I hope that is fixed up in the remake and makes it much better.
(Just got highwind tonight. Now all the Cloud stuff is pretty interesting. Didn't know about all that stuff.)
>>342789103
Well I can't argue against that. I kind of forgot how bad it was I guess since I've played most of the games so many times I remember who I should prepare and when.
>>342788416
You forgot the bullshit party split in X.
To this day I've never played final fantasy VII but I knew about her death. For a long time too actually. It was just one of those things that I found out somehow without ever experiencing. I guess you can say it's like the Darth Vader reveal of video games.
Plus one of the hentai sites I used to go on was called aeris dies, so if I didn't know by then I could have found out when I started using the site.
>>342781973
I knew Aerith was going to die because FF7 fans are so god awfully pretentious, they can't wait to spit it out whenever the game gets brought up.
>>342789141
>FFVII: Remake
>Aeris is sitting in a pagoda praying
>Sephiroth appears out of nowhere and goes on a 15 minute speech about generic evil stuff
>Cloud just sits there like an idiot listening to it all
>Sephiroth then stabs Aeris
>Cloud rushes forward and screams "AERITH!!!!!" in full voice acting
>another 15 minute evil speech by Sephiroth
>Genesis appears and picks up the Holy Materia while being gay
>immediately after her death, there's a side quest that can bring her back to life
Remember. You, the fans, asked for this.
>>342789406
I also forgot one of the dumbest scenes in FF history. Where Yuna gets stolen by the Al Bhed and Wakka throws the Blitzball tournament. Then at the end, everyone agrees they knew the Al Bhed wouldn't hurt Yuna and were just putting on an act.
Its like Squaresoft doesn't even check their own scripts during production.
>>342789141
I can't remember, what was so horrible about the dialogue there?
>>342789905
Its a PS1 Final Fantasy game. A better question would be, where was there acceptable dialogue?
>>342789732
I don't recall anyone in the last 10 years asking for a FFVII remake that was anything other than a faithfull remake of the game with modern graphics, voice acting, and better localization.
Square just decided to pull a Nintendo and give us something that no one asked for ever.
An episodic clunky arpg piece of shit.
>>342781973
It's not sad anymore and the reason being with a compilation of FF VIU and story expansion she's not a heroine nor his love interest anymore so nope, I feel nothing.
If they kill off Tifa though, I might.
>>342787963
>Deaths and departures are fairly rare in FF, II and IV aside
Are you playing the same series than me?
This is quite often in FF series, sometimes are less annoying than others but still happen at some point.
Actually I like FFI and FFIII (both original and remake) because are the only games that I can play with my original party without some random death or leave. FFIII remake has deaths but these are just "bonus" party. I heard FFXII have this type of party so I'll give it a try once the remastered version comes out
>>342790036
Some of it, yeah. The localization of FF VII wasn't the greatest. It's actually worse than a lot of people know, there are some mistranslations I never see anyone talk about, but it has its moments. Overall though, yeah, it could have been a lot better. Only reason I'm playing the remake is to see how the localization improves (and gets shittier).
I've yet to play FF VIII and IX in Nip, but from what I've heard, VIII is mostly alright, except for replacing many varied responses with "Whatever" and making one line a bunch of dots. FF IX's I've heard was pretty good, and it certainly seems that way.
>>342790340
Well, deaths don't happen that often, and I thought he was talking about permanent departures, not temporary. FF is definitely full of temporary departures.
>>342790340
The characters in FFXII don't die, but they leave constantly. One of the best characters in the game isn't even on your party for half of it. The other best character starts off as if he's the lead character, then effectively becomes a playable mute NPC after 5 hours.
>>342790575
>It's actually worse than a lot of people know,
I guess. I've only finished FF7 twice but I recall getting kinda confused at some points.
>>342789905
A very generic line from Sephrioth about how everything is coming together, and then Cloud saying "I don't care about that". And then later after the disc change Cloud says "I will never forgive him!". Just feels very generic anime like. I am sure just the sentence structure and voice acting will make it better.
I am not asking for a change how the scene is done, just in the lines given by there characters.
>>342790575
The translation in FFVIII is most certainly not alright. They changed a lot more than just the whatevers. Squall's entire character is basically different because of the translation choices. And some characters like Irvine and Zell make no sense because they removed all traces of anime influence. Which the game itself is a giant parody of school based shounen anime.
>>342790753
Some of it's confusing even in Nip. I think some of the dialogue between Cloud and Reno in the church was just as weird. One of the things I was thinking of though when I said that is when Barret told Tifa, in response to her question about Sephiroth after she awoke from her coma "You ain't out of it yet", when he actually said that Sephiroth hasn't come out (of the crater) yet.
>>342790890
Now I'm even more interested. I'll have to play it in Nip someday.
>>342790810
Playing the game right now. And even basic dialogue exchanges make no sense. Just walked into Nebelhiem. And this is what people said.
Tifa: "What--! I thought this was suppose to be all burned down!"
Aeris: "Something odd...?"
Cloud: "I'm not lying!"
Tifa: "I remember...the intense heat and flames..."
Um...who's talking to who here? Your dialogue makes no fucking sense as Cloud isn't replying to anyone, yet clearly is.
>>342791126
Huh. That's interesting. I guess FF7 is just poorly worded in both languages.
>>342781973
I didn't know of it beforehand.
It wasn't a new thing to me at all, and I didn't understand why people thought it was the second coming of Jesus.
The game wasn't nearly as memorable or mature as a lot of things before it, like Terranigma, phantasy star 2 and 4, or even illusion of Gaia.
But I warmed up to it, and would sort it just under the true classics now. Pretty good game, but the english localization apparently got fucked up some, I heard.
I played FF7 right around the time it came out on PC for the first time (with the sweet box). I never really understood the "Aeris' death is super sad" meme. Her death wasn't even one of my biggest memories of the game. For me, Cloud choosing to go on after her death was more memorable because it showed his blind hubris continuing forward against something that he really knew nothing about. It said a lot about who Cloud was and where he was at mentally, which is all her death was really supposed to do.
I played it without hearing anything about it first.
I skipped all the cutscenes the 10+ times I played it. It made it really hard to figure out what to do next.
I still don't know what the story is about to this day despite having played it so many times.
>>342791454
It's also pretty terribly translated into Spanish too I hear. In the part where Cloud arrives in the Kalm in, the clerk tells him that his siesta is waiting (I think it was siesta). A siesta is of course a party, but the wrong kind of party.
>>342791764
>I skipped all the cutscenes the 10+ times I played it.
The fuck?
>>342791529
'some' is putting it lightly. think treehouse bad. it made Cloud sound like a retard and completely off character in a lot of different instances.
it also made the not-so-convoluted plot downright confusing because they didn't focus on the fact that Cloud was dissociated, thus leading western fans to think 'emo' Cloud was a bad rendition of him when, in fact, it's the only personality he's ever had.
just look at /v/. even here people think Cloud is Zack.
>>342781973
Everyone knew about it unless you played it the week it was released
>>342781973
I knew about it from years of forum browsing before I played it. I learned about it so early on, actually, that it was sort of common knowledge to me like the Darth Vader scene someone mentioned. The strange this is that while I didn't feel too much for her death, probably because I'd seen the actual video before, knowing she was going to die made her character really interesting. Playing through Midgar was an incredible experience because it's all so light-hearted and bittersweet, and a few scenes like with the Golden Saucer and the prostitution house fed into making her a really damn good tragic character to follow and even start to feel for. IMO that's what the game does that makes it really memorable, and I feel for people if they're missing on that aspect. I played it in 2014 with all the typical spoilers and I still loved it.
>>342790575
Don't get me wrong, temporary party are a bit annoying too. Actually, I was about to drop DQV because this but then I realize that human party aren't that important until the third generation
FFIII temporary party are less annoying because they doesn't even involved in the game pace
>>342790679
Welp, dropped then. Thanks for the info anonI'm kinda dissapointed of this though, FFXII party members looks like a great roster to me
>>342781973
Didn't know, didn't care.
>>342781973
>Did it make the scene any less sad for you since you knew it was coming?
Quite the opposite. It made me dread it more. Most likable girl and most broken party member. Lost the best asset I had, and the game was kind of a lot more depressing without her there being an adventurous, bubbly alpha female to spruce up the mood.
I never got the sadness. She was likable but so poorly developed it was hard to care. Barretts stuff in the prison city and Cids stuff hit much harder
>>342794313
The creator and author of FFXII is even more disappointed. FFXII is the ultimate example of higher ups messing with the original creators vision.
>>342792651
>thus leading western fans to think 'emo' Cloud was a bad rendition of him when, in fact, it's the only personality he's ever had.
Cloud's never been emo. His personality modes, both pre and post recovery, range from putting on a badass, distant front to hide his feelings of weakness and/or guilt (whether subconsciously or otherwise) begrudging, but effective leader that stepped up to the plate to settle the score. All in all, though, he's just a kind, but introverted and awkward dude that just wants to collect swords and ride his motorcycle.
Calling him emo kind of selling him short.
>>342790679
Say what? I can only remember a couple times when anyone leaves your party in FF XII, and one of them is only for a short while while you're in town anyway.
>>342794697
>and the game was kind of a lot more depressing without her there being an adventurous, bubbly alpha female to spruce up the mood.
This. Disk 2 became a huge drag to get through because everything was all grim and dark. Aeris would have been nice to just balance it out.
>>342795215
>"No one would want the main character to be a cool older soldier who actually makes sense. Change Vaan into another generic adventure seeking brat like in 90% of all jrpgs."
Thanks Square execs you saved us from fun.
>>342795414
Balthier and Fran appear early in the game, only to leave after you get to the end of the sewers. They come back later, but then Han Solo...I mean Balthier runs off. While Fran stays with you. Then much later, Balthier once again comes back. Pretty sure Ashe also leaves your party for a short time.
>>342795624
Yeah, they leave your party, but 20 minutes later they're back again. I can't remember when or why Balthier runs off again until you get to Archades, and even then he's back in your party before you leave town, I think before the fighting even begins. I don't remember Ashe leaving at all, but then I don't care much for FF XII, so I could have forgotten. I do remember that your entire party is available for 98% of the game though.
>>342781973
I knew about it and the terrible animations didn't help. It was a pretty bad scene overall.
>>342795937
>people actually bought FFVII just because of the graphics
I thought it looked horrible even in 1997. I remember my friends telling me to sit there and watch while they played the game, while I couldn't even figure out what I was looking at. All I saw was blocks of orange, black and purple all over the place. Like someone tried to make a Halloween game with early Pixar technology.
>>342781973
>How many of you didn't know and were surprised or saddened?
I borrowed FF7 from my friend since he somehow wasn't able to figure out where to go after the Gold Saucer events and was annoyed with it. He actually only let me borrow disk 1 since he didn't think I would be able to get through it since he wasn't able to. After finishing disk 1 I called him up and the conversation went something like:
>dude I need disk 2
>what?
>I beat disk 1
>no you didn't
>yes I did. Aeris dies dude
>WHAT THE FUCK?
>yeah
I would say I was surprised and my eyes went wide when it happened but not really saddened.
I had it spoiled, I didn't actually play FFVII until a few years ago.
And you know what?
I wouldn't have cared even if I hadn't been spoiled.
Aerith dies way too soon. Not in a "oh no!" kind of way, as in an "I have no connection to this character" sort of way.
She should have capped off Disc 2, not Disc 1.
To me, the player, she didn't mean much more to me than "she's my healer and it sucks that she's gone."
To the characters, it felt as though them caring so much for her was forced, like there wasn't actually a real development between them as friends and/or love interests.
There are too few scenes building Aerith's relationship with other characters, especially Cloud.
There's a way to do "too early" deaths, but FFVII didn't do it.
If I had to point out a good example, I would say MOTHER 3 withHinawa, because the cast's relationships are established long before the game even begins, and you see that as the player and make that connection.
Also, the reactions of the cast are a lot more realistic and believable as a result, and based on their own individual relationships with that character.
In FFVII, we're a ragtag group of rebels and a flower girl that more or less just tags along
And then she dies
And it's like "well shit"
But I didn't feel anything for her.
If there's one thing I'd want FFVIIR to change in the story, it's when Aerith dies.
Because as it stands, it's only effective in the initial shock, and in no other aspect.
>BONUS QUESTION: What do you think of the conspiracy theory that, Aerith/ Aeris was actually still alive but just severely wounded when Cloud laid her to rest and that he actually drowned her and that is what led to his alcoholic depression?
Pretty damn dumb really.
It's said that cloud actually became a grimdark fag because they wanted vincent in Kingdom Hearts but he didn't make it. Instead Cloud and vincent got combined into one character. Cloud's looks with Vincent's personality. He got really popular and it stuck.
>>342786247
I agree with you completely, but the thing with Tellah is that he was old and senile. I wouldn't put it past him that he was just doing it wrong because he forgot.
>>342781973
I played ff7 on the computer and was dicking around and found the fmv files
I saw the one where sephiroth kills aeris and was terrified to go across the dark hallway back to my room to go to bed
I was 8 and scared
I'm gonna hijack this thread to ask, I didn't like the combat in 7 at all, what's the best FF game that has either more action or more turn-based combat? because i really hate the fusion they have in 7.
>>342787714
>But all I can think of while playing it is how so many little things were improved in FFVIII. The interface, the interaction with pre rendered backgrounds, the flow of the story, more interesting locations, less random bullshit you need to use a guide to find, etc.
The fuck you on about? VIII did pretty much all of those things worse, except maybe the interesting locations.
>>342798401
10, Tactics, and the first 3 games.
>>342787240
Odessa no :_;
>>342786247
You say that but FFV had Galuf die to Exdeath and the rest of the party desperately attempt to save him using spells and items. That one even took place during a battle sequence.
It was news to me.
Played it about a year after release- I was just a loser that had no friends and the internet was different back then.
Yes, I tried out various ways to revive her because I was a gullible kid that wanted her back.
>>342781973
the first time I ever played FF7, or any FF for that matter, was earlier this year
so yeah, I knew about it
>>342782497
>Plus de 120 minutes die sequences
Thats a lot of death for a game that
>>342781973
I love FF7 but I honestly didn't care. Aeris wasn't the first major character to die in a JRPG anyway, and they killed her off way too early before her relationship with Cloud and the others went anywhere meaningful.
>>342795376
He WAS emo in Advent Children though, but the less said of that abomination the better.
>>342788416
Why are you complaining about VIII exactly? Party switching as in a revolving door of characters is completely different to splitting up the already tiny cast of VIII into two groups of 3 a couple of times during the game so that they can accomplish two objectives at the same time after which they rejoin as a single group.
Fuck her. Lavitz death hit me harder.
>>342798401
FFIV DS is one of the dumbest stories in the series. But it has really good combat in either ATB or Wait modes. There's also some FF games that are true turn based (FFI-III and X). FFX is a contender for the best combat in the series because of party switching, actual variety of enemy types and etc. But I still think the Dragon Quest series beats Final Fantasy in turn based combat...by quite a lot.
When it comes to true ATB, I think FFVI and VIII did it best.
>>342799768
LAAAAAAAAAAAVIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIITZ
>>342781973
>yes
>you are under 25 years old
>no
>you are over 25 years old or somehow managed to miss it
I knew about it, but I was surprised at how much the scene moved me despite my prior knowledge. Her theme playing through the next boss fight certainly contributed to that.
>>342781973
I did not know about her death and I didn't really mind considering I never used her and that temple of the ancients wall boss was a bitch
>>342782497
>tifa cucked
>yuffie gets paired with that edgy faggot
>>342781973
Didn't know about it and my 10 year old self did not give a fuck about her dying, apart from losing my awesome healer
>>342799334
>He WAS emo in Advent Children though
I'm really hate the word "emo." Nobody ever uses it properly. It's like autist, but from the early 2000s.
Emo denotes a personality that revolves around garnering attention and sympathy over issues that shouldn't register nearly as bad as they do to the person in question. Cloud's problem in Advent Children is that he did the literal exact opposite and left without a word because he didn't want his family to see him fucking slowly liquify into black goo.
>>342799768
Whelp I just lost most of my bodies lose able water content thanks for making me cry again anon
>>342800259
dumb Toddposter
>>342799768
LoD was sort of mediocre when I played it, like 3 years ago, it was OK for it's time I guess, but it kinda shows that making videogames more "cinematic" is not really a good thing to make it stand the test of time, but I DO remember Lavitz, his death, holy shit, I DIDN'T expect that shit and it hit me hard, fuck, his mom in now old and all alone, but the part where you meet him in hell or whatever is baller as fuck, dat fistbump.
Of course, I put Albert in my party since Lavitz died for him, and giving him different timing for additions was bullshit but also a nice detail since they're different characters after all.
I don't know when I first heard about Aeris dying but I can safely say it was a long, long time before I even considered playing the gamenever actually beat it either, in fact now that I think about it I never got past the part with Dyne. Not much of an RPG fan
>>342800503
>liquify into black goo
Shit man I need to watch AC again
>>342798681
Looked at 10, I like it.
>>342799784
I looked at gameplay of 6 and i guess i now have a name for the thing i hate. I really just don't like ATB, i don't want the game progressing while i'm in a menu.
>>342784712
It was aKinebrach Anathame
>>342801391
yeah. You just won't like any of the FF games that use ATB. Which is basically FFIV-IX. They can all be set to 'wait' mode, but it only stops time when you have a skill selected. So its not really turn based.
Dragon Quest, Mario RPG or Suikoden would probably be better choices for you.
>>342784318
Do you think there's a chance that the remake will make it much more impactful?
>>342786247
>using two slots on mage midgets just to duelcast
Meh, I didn't use them at all anyway.
>>342787050
>ff12
>going in blind, don't know char art or anything
>Think Reks is going to matter, so I kill all the guards in the "avoid the guards" section in order to get him more money and exp
Sigh.
>>342799768
>>342799784
VIII's was slower than VII, and there were other gameplay changes that made it worse i.e designing the entire combat around summons.
I realized because of the hentai site. Never played the game
>>342788416
13 does it too, although in a lot of these it's the "tutorial" section that takes 10 hours. By the time you get to wraithwall tomb in 12, for instance, you can pick your party.
>>342789732
Don't forget Aerith has a long, drawn out death speech, completely missing the point of Nomura and Sakaguchi wanting her death to be quick with no time for goodbyes.
I'm playing through this again because I never got past disc one.
Is Yuffie any good? Right now, I'm past Corel Prison and I have Tifa as a magic user and Barret as my tank (also, I couldn't find the counter materia, for some reason).
>>342801715
>Do you think there's a chance that the remake will make it much more impactful?
See >>342789732
There's always a chance. But this is being made by Nomura. It'll probably be more like Kingdom Hearts or Advent Children.
>>342781973
I felt sadder at Tidus vanishing than Aeris dying, which is weird because I like VII but dislike X.
>>342802006
arigatou Nojima-san
>>342801875
FFX was designed all around summons but was arguably the best combat in the series. Depends on what you consider a good combat 'engine'.
>>342781973
played it 3 months after release. it was a fresh surprise.
>>342802262
Only one character had access to summons in X.
>>342781973
I knew about Galuf dying and that hit me harder. Tanking endgame spells at 0 HP was pretty empowering.
>>342802163
she's okay, some of her later limit breaks are good. I always used her as a support/side damage
>>342789732
>Cloud rushes forward and screams "AERITH!!!!!" in full voice acting
The mot juste!
>>342802209
this shit was so hilarious to me, what the fuck were they thinking?
tidus' death was like some gantz tier bullshit or something, just fucking random and out of nowhere
>>342799768
>>342800786
>>342801042
>Lavitz tells Dart that once the war is over they'll have a drink together
>during the ending Dart visits Lavitz's house and goes to his room
>when he leaves there is an empty glass and a full glass by a picture of him
>>342802479
Galuf hit me harder even though it was more over the top. Charging in and tanking all that shit to save his grand daughter was so touching.
>no one has posted Cloud look
You niggers know exactly what I'm talking about as well.
>>342802878benis
>>342802180
Say what you will about KH, but it doesn't skimp out on the hard hitters.
Like Terra's ending in BbS,
Or this
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=k_yYRdwBIPw
>>342802581
Everytime I went back to bale after that was heartbreaking and it made all his moms talk of wanting to be a grandma all the more painful, not to mention how much of a bro Lavitz is hsi was probably the most tragic death in a video game for me.
>>342802878
If you insist
>>342803142
kingdum hartz maeks me cri evrytim :(
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=s4XzlAwWkXQ
>>342803667In all honesty when I first played this I thought it actually happened and I was kind of upset
>>342791529
What did you think of the other FFs?
>>342781973
i knew about it. i didnt think it was sad at all really. I kind of wish nobody told me
>>342802209
The fact that this retard is still involved in the remake makes me lose all hope.
I knew about the Aeris death, but it didn't matter to me. I typical skip the dialogue and cutscenes in games anyway if they allow you too. Honestly, video games never have good stories. If you are playing them for the story, you should just watch a movie. If you want to play a game, play a game that has fun gameplay. FF7 was ok, but it was typical rock-paper-scissors like every Turn Based RPG out there which is why it's one of the weakest formats. I guess I'm just an oldschool skill based gamer. I'll take a Gradius game any day of the week.
>>342791529
>It wasn't a new thing to me at all, and I didn't understand why people thought it was the second coming of Jesus.
Because those people played FF7 as their first JRPG.
>>342807205
>I typical skip the dialogue and cutscenes in games anyway if they allow you too.
>Honestly, video games never have good stories
But how would you know?
>>342807498
From the ones I've played without skipping that lead me to that realization.
>>342807542
What if
I mean this is a radical sentiment but stick with me
What if those ones just had bad stories and aren't representative of the entire medium?
I never looked at the picture on the back of the box and I didn't have cable at the time. So it wasn't spoiled for me. Not that I really cared to be honest, it wasn't like she did absolutely anything to make me care about her death. The most underdeveloped character to ever have this much notoriety. I mean, fuck, Doom guy has more lore and development than Aeris.
I knew about it going into the game (played it for the first time recently) and while I thought the scene itself was kinda underwhelming, I was a bit sad at her death since she was my favorite character in the game and one of the few I liked. The cast is kinda boring in that game and probably the worst of any FF game I've played so far.
Galuf's death hit me much harder.
>>342807745
Let me just put it this way: There is a reason there are no good video game spin-off movies. The storylines are always garbage, and when the games are seen in a purely continuous story form such as in a film, it's displayed for everyone to see.
>>342784272
Adachi is the killer.
>>342798903
Becausehe was a Zombie.
>>342789732
>immediately after her death, there's a side quest that can bring her back to life
I think you mean a pop up message asking you to buy the DLC to revive her.
>>342808005
>The cast is kinda boring in that game and probably the worst of any FF game I've played so far
I disagree with that but I'm in the same boat when it comes to Galuf, that's probably my favourite moment in the series so far.
>>342803667
>mfw I actually cried
Even as a teenager, I was not very bright.
>>342781973
By the time I got to FFVII I'd played dozens of rpg's where party members die. Aeris dying really wasn't notable for me
played it for the first time this year. meh. not touching or moving and didn't use her because i knew what was going to happen.
>>342781973
I knew before. When I picked up the game for the first time way back then my friend who recommended it to me told me not bother leveling her up or investing anything into her growth. He didn't say why but it was pretty fucking obvious.
I didn't really care when it happened. I still don't really just within the context of VII's story. I really was only saddened by her story (still not her death, really) after playing Crisis Core and seeing her get fleshed out with Zack and their relationship. I felt so much more worse for her at the end of Crisis Core than I did when she actually died.
While Cloud is supposed to be crushed, I feel more happy than anything, knowing that she and Zack are together again.
>>342808435
As well as a big red indicator of where to go.
>>342808034
>There is a reason there are no good video game spin-off movies.
Because many of them are simply poorly-made?
I mean, do you really think Silent Hill and its sequel did their damnedest to recreate the story and world of the games?
Any Uwe Boll movie is straight garbage, regardless of the game it's based on.
Super Mario Bros. and DOOM speak for themselves.
>>342802180
Nomura's actually pretty good at tragic scenes. He's not like Tabata.
>>342809027
>seeing her get fleshed out
Do tell, what new information did we learn about her in Crisis Core that wasn't in FF7? Besides the fact that it was Zack who came up with idea to sell flowers all along.
>>342781973
I can't even remember. I played it long after it was out but I don't think I knew. I honestly didn't care about it either, little me didn't make much of it. I mean she constantly talks afterwards so it's almost like she was never slaughtered.
>>342810042
what
>>342781973
I didn't have a psone back then and the only friend that did always raved about how awesome it was but I don't think he ever beat it.
>>342784272
While that is partially true it still robs somewhat from the experience.
So, I never got around to playing this game until I was 18 (2007/2008), and by then I already knew about her getting killed off, so for me, it was more a minor inconvenience because I didn't have my super hype healer anymore.
BUT
My mom played this game back in 1997 or whatever the fuck year it came out, and I watched her play through it as a wee anonlet, and I remember her being super pissed off when Aerith died
>>342783868
I.... actually thought that. I was 7 fuck off
>>342781973
I didn't put two and two together with the commercial and shit. I didnt remember details, just that it loooked cool. So, yes, it did surprise me. And it surprised me that that she wasnt revived or came back.
>>342781973
I didn't know. Internet wasn't as ubiquitous back then and I spent most of my online game related time in Sierra forums.
It wasn't all that sad to me. She was useless as a party member and her personality isn't really well written. I found Tifa much more likeable at the time.
As for that conspiracy, it sounds pretty fucking stupid. Like most game conspiracies. Like the sort of thing someone afraid of glitches and old photos and deep sea would come up with.
>>342803280
gay.
>>342808621
>Even
You're implying you got dumber?
>>342781973
Never played FF7.
>>342813757
I'm still posting on 4chan.
>>342782657
Not everyone uses the internet to read about games they play. I never did when I was a 12 year old kid and FF7 came out. I got all my video game recommendations from TV and magazine ads and from people I knew.
wish I knew, I don't even remember what I thought about the game at all back when I first played it because it has been so fucking long
what I do fondly remember is me and my best buddy playing with stick-swords in the forest next to our house pretending to be cloud and zack
>>342784318
I think FFX for all its flaws did the "death" at the end really well. Then they had to shit on it in X-2, then they shat on the rest of the story in X-2.5,
>Death in jrpgs thread
Fuck, I love Eternal Sonata but it has probably the worst death scene in history. A character that has basically no role in the story whatsoever not only gets killed in a very retarded way, but gives up a 15 minutes long death-speech that never ends about her wasting her life and stuff. It was so painful, fuck.The character then is optionally resurrected like 30 hours later and the game gives her back to you at fucking level 5 or 6 while the rest of the party is fully geared for the final boss
>>342814550
Eternal Sonata's story in general was top kekkage, but the gameplay was pretty good.
>>342781973
>What do you think of the conspiracy theory that, Aerith/ Aeris was actually still alive but just severely wounded when Cloud laid her to rest and that he actually drowned her and that is what led to his alcoholic depression?
What the fuck are you on about son?
>>342814550If you train her back up though, she becomes one of the best party members.
>>342781973
Why they didn't just use Phoenix Down?
>>342789732
>Genesis shows up
>while being gay
Honestly I'm beginning to like this meme. Everything else you said was faggotry though. Per the usual.
>>342816062
Meme?
