>t's also worth noting that - clock-speeds and resultant TFLOPs aside - the specs for RX 480 are point-for-point a match for the GPU in Sony's upcoming PlayStation Neo, all but confirming that the Sony mid-gen console refresh uses both Polaris technology and the new 14nm FinFET chip manufacturing process.
http://www.eurogamer.net/articles/digitalfoundry-2016-amd-rx-480-costs-199-gtx-970-r9-390-beating-performance
>>342745527
And you faggots still think PSNEO will be able to do 4K?
>>342745527
I'm not smart with tech stuff. explain this to me like i'm not smart with tech stuff.
>>342745527
did scorpio win?
>>342747207
It's just enough to make the psvr run less shitty. That's literally it.
>>342747207
I think it'll be able to play 4k blueray movies.
>>342747521
How many tityflops is that?
>>342747207
>PC runs 1440 @ 60-100fps on everything I throw at it with a 480.
It's possible.
>>342747416
Explain what?
>>342747207
Actually yes, not 4k at 60fps though.
4k/30 is very doable if it uses an RX 480, which beats out Fury X slightly.
Not to mention console hardware optimization.
http://www.guru3d.com/articles-pages/amd-radeon-r9-fury-x-review,26.html
Neo= Pooplaris
Scorpio= Vega Master Race
>>342747521
To actually win, you need lots of sales.
And the Scorpio most likely won't get that far.
>>342747651
scorpio is supposed to be 6 tflops.
>>342747624
but that's nothing. the xbox one s plays 4kbluray. why would anyone buy a neo if that's the best it can do.
>>342747651
RX 480 is 5TFLOPS+
Scorpio has something 6TFLOPS+
1/6th difference at most
>>342747651
6+ apparently
How expensive is this shit going to be?
>>342747951
What, the Neo or the RX?
>>342747207
I don't think we're at 4k just yet. They probably need the rate boost to handle the 2X rendering that comes with stereo output.
>>342747951
Neo 500, Scorpio 699 USD
>>342747789
>if it uses an RX 480, which beats out Fury X slightly.
/g/, pls.
>>342747207
With Sonys trademarked standard 14 FPS cinematic experiences? Maybe.
>>342747793
Scorpio is really overpriced, and that level of power is not needed.
Polaris is indeed inferior in power but it has monstrously higher yields Polaris will be shipping 25 times as much stock as Nvidia due to their absolute shit yields.
Seriously this is almost 1.7% wood screw fermi yields.
For $200 you can game at 1440p and 60fps, it's a far more than adequate card that offers the best tflop to dollar ratio.
>>342745527
>all but confirming that the Sony mid-gen console refresh uses both Polaris technology and the new 14nm FinFET chip manufacturing process
How is this important?
>>342748205
Market shares.
>>342745527
>RX 480 match PS4 NEO gpu specs
Well, the Radeon Technology Group leader did pretty much confirm this when he said the RX480 will be "strong enough" over the next 3 years.
That was the first hint the two have the same level of capabilities.
>>342747207
just on re-remastered games
get ready for those RE-Remastereds
>>342747951
Leaked docs show Neo at $399.99 on launch while the old PS4 will be kept as an entry level budget oriented console.
No info on Scorpio pricing but I'll bet $499.99, maybe price match Neo and sell at a loss to try and save face, but Investors would flip their lids probably.
>>342747789
So 60 fps bloodborne? That would be nice. I like watching my blood-soaked clothing ripple and I'd like to watch it ripple at 60fps.
>>342748067
I'm sorry /v/, I forgot everyone who games on anything worse than 4k at 144hz is a poorfag who should kill themselves.
Israel thanks you for your purchase of your new octocore i7 and tri sli 1080s.
>>342745527
Does it have backward compatibility?!?!
>>342748507
Everything from here on out will have backwards compatibility to PS4.
>>342748507
for what?
but the neo is just a refreshed ps4 with 4k video playing capabilities and some 4k scaling.Is it supposed to be impressive?
>>342748125
>Still jealous he couldn't afford a 480 GTX when it came out.
>AMD just now releasing a 480 knockoff.
ATi confirmed dead.
>>342747812
I'm a bit skeptical of both of these revisions, to be honest. I think they are going to take a bit of time to get rolling after the initial fanboy launch splurge.
>>342748661
>just
It could have been much worse.
It could have been the same old Gamecube PPC750 core ever since 2001 like nintendo did.
>>342748485
>Not supporting Israel
Fuck off mudslime.
Do we even know the Neo's specs or is it all baseless speculation?
>>342748720
Can't wait to buy that knock off that is 5x as powerful.
>>342748819
>you have to be muslim to not like kikes
Cuck nigger lover detected.
>>342748720
GTX 480 LITERALLY went into high 90s/low 100s when playing anything remotely demanding.
Shit was an inferno and overpriced due to poor as fuck yields, the worst ever in the GPU industry probably.
>480 barely matches the 970
>neo is as powerful as a fucking 970
>not coming out for another year or two
o i am laffin.
>>342748973
having a gpu that is almost as powerful as a 970 is huge.
>>342748973
This. 4k my ass. Impossible at decent settings.
This is the news that made me buy a 1070 earlier today when the price was $400. I'll be set for 4-5 years now.
>>342749085
In another year or two it won't be.
>>342748893
I don't even know where they have this infofrom:
>It's also worth noting that - clock-speeds and resultant TFLOPs aside - the specs for RX 480 are point-for-point a match for the GPU in Sony's upcoming PlayStation Neo
It sounds like speculation.
>>342749256
for a console? Yeah that's a big deal.
>>342749130
>Decent Settings
>Console Settings
Pick one, it's always been obvious with the tiny draw distances and LODs on consoles, there's never been any optimisation, just aggressive detail culling. Consolebabs just can't see past the main character on screen.
>>342745527
The games will still be 900/1080p and 30fps with constant drops. Devs will just use the better hardware to push even more visual effects the console can't really handle and cut more corners during development to save on costs. No reason to even look at improving performance because the majority of their customers don't care and are fine with horrible, horrible performance.
>>342747207
No one believed that except shitposters and people who have no fucking idea how specs work.
It's 4K VIDEO. Sony added support for UHDBlurays.
Try running 4K on anything but LOW on a 1080. You can't.
>>342749492
>Try running 4K on anything but LOW on a 1080. You can't.
Uwotm8?
The 1080 can actually run a lot of games out on the market at or near 60 FPS at 4k on max settings.
>>342748443
ONLY if the developers themselves patch it in.
You will be able to run the game in 'Normal-Mode' and 'Neo-mode' on a Neo if they do that.
Sony are demanding that games have two versions; one for PS4 and one for NEO.
You won't be losing out if you wait until it's cheaper.
>>342747207
Nobody that isn't a computer illiterate believed that.
Seriously, I would be happy playing Bloodborne at a constant 30FPS. The frame dips are fucking atrocious.
Why the fuck do you retards keep discussing rumors?
>>342749712
>The 1080 can actually run a lot of games out on the market at or near 60 FPS at 4k on max settings.
yeah. old ass games that dont even need a 1080 to run in the first place.
oh man! you can run crysis at 4k, max settings and at 60fps. What a feat!
Is there any reason to grab a PS4 with the Neo on the way?
>>342749989
Jesus christ you're fucking retarded.
>>342749487
I don't agree with you in this case.
The developers will use the already 40 million PS4s as the base target for 1080P 30 fps.
>>342750083
>>342750018
>Is there any reason to grab a PS4 with Scorpio on the way?
No.
>>342749982
No video games worth playing.
>>342750206
>>342750310
>>342750018
2.3x faster GPU than PS4 normal.
If you dont have a normal ps4 go for it, if you have one but no 4k TV skip the neo
>>342745527
All I care about is 2 things: does the damn thing have the proper amount of thermal paste applied and if it's silent. I returned my PS4 after 2 weeks because of the insane coil whine.
Can it play Bloodborne?
>>342750420
So was the whole 980/Fury equal thing a lie?
Why would I buy the 480 if it's 970 tier? Also the 390 is 970 tier.
Seriously what's the fucking point? Can anyone tell me?
>>342750468
>not simply preforming a simple maintenance and applying new or more thermal paste to your blood borne machine
things isnt hard to open up and clean jesus christ
>>342750508
yes.
>go on youtube
>look for no commentary bloodborne Lets Play
>put it on full screen
>sit back and enjoy while watching it on a 4k monitor.
NEVER EVER my fucking ass!
>>342750659
The RX 480 is using less than 100 watts.
>>342747749
no it doesnt
stop lying on the internet you're not impressing anyone
>>342750862
And? I dont't give a fuck about watts.
I'm asking why should I buy a new card that's equals to a 970, when the 390 beats the 970.
Without software none of this matters.
>>342750968
Someone in this thread complained about noise, so he gives a fuck about wattage.
So is it going to be more powerful than the Scorpio or not?
>>342750659
the point is that amd finally made a decent gpu for a good price.
the problem is, the peformance isnt any better than 2 year old cards ( 970 is almost 2 years old )
so whats the advantage, you ask ? the price
and thats it
and amdrones praise it like the second coming, when they dont realize its literally perfect for nvidia, allowing them to sell their cards at always higher price points.
there is even less competition than with the latest amd gen ( fury cards ) and somehow, for some retards, its a good thing
>>342751150
It's going to be cheaper and sell better.
>>342751195
I don't see it as a problem, because more higher end cards are on the way.
>>342747608
>>342747624
>>342749492
>>342749772
I would agree with you, but M$ kind of threw a monkey wrench into the works with their
>6 TFLOPS
>6 TFLOPS
>6 TFLOPS
Scorpio bullshit. I wouldn't be surprised if Sony delayed the NEO and respec'd to compete with it now.
>>342750659
>>342750968
You fucking retard that article is from 3 weeks ago are you genuinely stupid?
>>342751195
Nevermind samefag, you're just memeing.
The 480 HAS proven to be 980/Fury tier in all the benchmarks we've seen recently. That article just says that it beats a 970/390.
Fuck off now
>>342751150
No, obviously. Scorpio will be based in the Vega architecture who is more powerful and advanced in general.
>>342745527
If Neo uses RX 480, and possibly Scorpio as well, does that mean PC ports will require something better to run console games due to the nature of console ports?
>>342751405
The PS4 generation is the only exception when the strongest console got its deserved victory.
Every other instances had the cheaper console win.
>>342751607
People who don't know anything about computers like to spout this all the time.
But this is false.
Vega = HBM2
Scorpio = GDDR5
Scorpio is based on the same technology as Polaris, it's just beefed up.
>>342751645
Only if outsourced to noname shit studios like what happened to batman.
Also all games will use the PS4/Xbone original as the lead platform and than tweak them for Neo/Scorpio.
>>342751645
For you
>We know how Sony has achieved its performance target - it is almost certainly utilising the AMD Polaris 10 graphics core, using 36 next-gen GCN compute units clocked at 911MHz.Essentially, it is a downclocked version of the Radeon RX 480 graphics card - AMD's upcoming $199 next-gen GPU, aimed squarely at the mainstream gamer while also offering good, entry-level VR capabilities.
>We can be fairly sure that this GPU is a cut-down version of a yet-to-be-seen product, quite possibly one with 40 compute units. By leaving a portion of the CUs deactivated, imperfect chips can be used from the production line - it's a tactic used on both PS4 and Xbox One, both of which have two offline CUs on the silicon.
>However, based on the differential in spec between Neo and Scorpio, it's unlikely that the new Microsoft console uses Polaris at all. A 40 CU part would need a mighty overclock to hit 6TF, and based on the rendered imagery we've seen, the heating assembly planned for Scorpio looks a little lacklustre. With that in mind, our money is on a downclocked version of AMD's upcoming Vega technology.
whats the point of 4k when barely anyone actually has a 4k monitor.
I know all you dumb faggots are just pretending that you actually own one.
>>342751675
SNES beat Genesis in power.
>>342748507
Considering most people buy digital these days yes.
>>342751967
You can get an HDR 4K TV with tablet remote+normal remote for $1k.(Vizio P series, 50 inch, 55 is $1200)
You can get a basic 4K TV for $500
>>342751912
NEO uses something like the RX470 with some OC going on probably.
I doubt it's the 480 and what I said makes more sense and it's smarter. I mean a 760 is stronger than a Ps4 to say an example, a 470 is much better than that.
>>342751912
>it's unlikely that the new Microsoft console uses Polaris at all.
This writer needs to brush up his wording a bit.
Scorpio is designed around the same time Neo was designed. They both use the same GPU core, the same memory controller.
So Scorpio has more in common with Neo and Polaris than anything else.
>>342745527
>>342749284
That article will seem outdated soon because it's looking more like the PS4 Neo is a match for the RX 470 which comes in at 4.5 TFlops and the RX 470 has the same amount of CU, ROP and ACE units as the PS4 neo. Slightly cut down for TDP and power usage. Neo is not going to be anywhere near a RX 480 it seems.
Plus if they had a real RX 480 in such a small box like the PS4 has, they may as well call it the PS4 Fermi
>>342751405
Impossible. Sony is ready to ship this year and MS is still in the "Blueprint" stage of talking to developers and publisher partners. If Sony were to scrap it just to change elements of it, it would cost them billions in R&D, buying new components and having to pay AMD to re-assemble components. Investors would fucking freak and demand heads would roll if Sony pulled that move.
Not happening unless everyone working in Sony Interactive Entertainment's hardware division wants to get the "Please quit" treatment like Ken Kutaragi did.
>AMDfags starting to compare their shitty GPU to consoles
>>342752256
>Plus if they had a real RX 480 in such a small box like the PS4 has, they may as well call it the PS4 Fermi
I hope yo realise the PS4 itself is huge compared to a regular videocard.
The cooler will be more than adequate.
>>342751405
The thing is: The PlayStation NEO is rumored to come out this year or early 2017, meanwhile Project Scorpio was confirmed for a 2017 second half release.
I mean, they could always move the date, but it's likely that NEO and NX will be out before Scorpio and that is not good news for Xbox.
If they're going to stick with 2017 second half, I think they should at least upgrade the announced Project Scorpio a bit. I don't know about prices, but maybe using HBM2 could be an option.
Doesn't help that all major exclusive titles are also available on Windows 10.
tl;dr They should release Project Scorpio areound the same time as NEO and/or NX.
>>342752171
i never said anything about price being the reason.
the average consumer isnt going to upgrade their TV to 4k just because its affordable.
>>342751967
>tfw I fell for the UHD meme.
>>342752416
>I don't know about prices, but maybe using HBM2 could be an option.
That's not an option. They already revealed images showing 12 GDDR5 modules on the thing.
>>342752541
>That's not an option. They already revealed images showing 12 GDDR5 modules on the thing.
I'm aware of that. And we're a year away from its release. It's plenty of time, that why I suggested they should upgrade.
>>342752706
That would require a redesign in the chip. It would just setback the Xbox launch another 1-2 years.
>>342747207
>Native 4k
No
>Upscaled 4k
Probably
>>342752171
I was at Walmart a while back, and had just bought a 50" 1080p TV for around $350
About 4 months later I saw a 45" 4k for like $450.
This shit is going down in price fast.
>>342750659
>>342750862
>>342751195
>>342751319
I haven't seen a test of it with performance below that of the 390x, and I've seen many of it performing close to the 980ti. Why the hell are you blabbering about the 970? Look at the cards specs ffs; with about 6 TFLOPS its certainly far better than the 970.
>>342752897
I don't even know why you replied to me for, I was just walking about wattage.
>>342752541
With APIs and optimization consoles can run much better than they should.
>>342753263
Are you just throwing copy pasta at me now?
>>342745527
>we've reached a point where consoles are now literally just computers built by a company rather than unique hardware custom designed for them
Dellbox when?
>>342748205
Power consumption/heat/TDP will be extremely low
Performance will be pretty good actually even for a console even if it is an underclocked Polaris10 chip, I don't see how the Xbox1.5 will get 6 teraflops of compute performance and still be less than $600, that would have to be a massively under clocked Vega chip with HBM
>>342748973
>970
The 480 is as fast as a 980 and won't suck ass in DX12/vulkan games, the 470 is the one that's expected to be on par with a 970 at $150
>>342752249
Scorpio isn't designed yet. They are still in consultation with developers (Which is the smartest fucking thing they could do since last time they didn't tell anyone shit and ended up with a retarded static ram solution that developers hated). Todd Howard even said they only found out two weeks before E3 when at a meeting with MS who wanted to discuss it and the first developer MS even approached with Scorpio was Valve. It would be well into 2017 (Around April or so) before they hit the final lock on specs and prepare for manufacture so they have a lot of maneuverability compared to the others.
All three sides are making huge gambles. People could outright reject the neo because it's too soon. Or if Sony markets it enough, start claiming "Power doesn't matter. It's the games" and hope it catches on. While MS are promising a new console cycle, people may not think it's an outright new cycle and just a better upgrade from xbone that plays their COD at a better resolution than the PS4 Neo
>>342753346
When Microsoft decides to OEM out the Xbox fork of the Windows 10 OS to Dell and Razer if they feel "Play anywhere" is a success.
>>342753359
You know, if you take a Polaris and throw more compute units into it, it will eventually reach 6 teraflops.
You don't need future nonsense for that.
Should I wait for Neo? I'm still on PS3 and Destiny is pulling out in August.
>4k
When will this meme end? Focus on 1080p / 1440p at a stable 60 FPS. As it is, we'll have a bunch of shitty games running at silky smooth 24 FPS with drops, but at 4k :^)
>>342753346
But the console chips are unique hardware, custom built just for them.
>>342750083
>>342750106
>>342750310
>>342750437
>>342750527
Holy fuck, PCucks are actually spending extra $150-200 for an enthusiast grade card for just 5-8 additional fps vs mid range best value graphics card! Holy fuck games and drivers has shit optimization nowadays!
>>342753637
Not for long at this rate.
>>342753734
You've still wrong. Don't backpedal.
>>342753703
This is at 4k moron.
Even the PS4Neo couldn't run most of those games at anywhere near 1080p60.
>>342751967
It is another bullshit claim, like how Sony stated the Ps4 could do 1080p at constant 60FPS...sure it could, on selected titles. Outside of that, only the 1080p part was correct, and yet I would not be surprised if I heard of an upscaled title here or there.
4K and VR are the biggest tech buzzwords, recently the GTX 1080 was shipped and there are titles it cannot max out on its own, at 1080p, some games running at 4K do not go all the way to 60FPS....now imagine that on a card that is just below a AMD $199 GPU.
VR is the other term there that makes me raise an eyebrow. "Entry VR" just like how the AMD RX 460 is an "E-sports" card, which is code for a low end budget card that only competes with Nvidia yesteryear's budget cards, but at least it is priced accordingly, in this case is code for the worst gimmicky VR experience imaginable. I can picture Sony VR be just as good as PS Move, or any of their cash in projects that never worked.
C'mon people, we have been in this rodeo before, but NOW I could believe them if someone said the PS4 was now capable of 60 FPS at 1080p. Who gives a shit about 15 FPS at 4K on a HD re-release.
>>342753501
>Scorpio isn't designed yet.
Bullshit. The final chip is already designed and put into mass production by now.
all that's left is tweaking the clockspeeds a bit, turning them up or down or whatever.
>>342753891
But why are you holding Sony responsible for software other people make?
>>342753965
>Bullshit. The final chip is already designed and put into mass production by now.
I pray that you are only pretending to be retarded, anon.
>>342754241
There is only 1 retard here, and it's the guy who believes AMD can magically conjure up 2 million microchips just 5 minutes before a console launch.
>>342745527
sony my dear you should go back selling image sensors to apple, maybe you'll make actual money wahaha
>>342753802
Backpeddle?
From what I've read they're slapping a 480 into a PS4 and calling it a day. It won't be very long until they start putting straight up i5s and i7s into consoles.
Frankly it's a lot more efficient, and also helps the GPU and in the future CPU maker, since they'd have guaranteed income off of these things they can just go all in with them, and sell them for cheaper.
Benefits all of us really.
>>342753853
Read my post moron, I didn't even mention Neo
>>342754362
nice feet
>>342748443
>from software
>patching 60fps for a game they likely built around 30 cinematic fps
there was never a PC version in mind so you will NEVER EVER see 60fps bloodborne unless you like falling through the ground
>>342754425
thanks
>>342754362
Who is this jizz genie? I hope she's from a VN.
>>342754381
>From what I've read they're slapping a 480 into a PS4 and calling it a day
You've been reading pop science from internet blogs.
You don't just take an RX 480 and glue 8 CPU cores into them and sell that to Sony.
It's a long and complicated process, and the end product is a unique microchip that has its own specs.
>>342753586
pls respond
>>342754362
Sony can do both at the same time.
>>342754165
It was thier marketing department who started the 1080p / 60FPS meme, before them, no one cared.
By the time that claim was made, PC games ran well over those standards, and no one in console town, including me a long time PC gamer, cared about console framerate or resolution. You got the Halo station for Halo, or the God of War Box for God of war, simple as that.
They started a dick measuring contest, and then they could not deliver on that, this was also the time when all those "Are gamers entitled?" articles started.
It is not even new, both MS and Sony made the same claim with the Xbox 360 and Ps3 respectively. They stated their consoles could run games in HD 1080p resolution, in fact it was upscaled 720p. Halo 3 was upscaled to 720p, asked anyone if they cared about that.
>>342754764
What do you mean Destiny is pulling out?
>>342754870
>It was thier marketing department who started the 1080p / 60FPS meme, before them, no one cared.
Can you prove that, or should I just take your word for it?
>>342754870
Are you saying that marketing teams are the main instigators of all this console war bullshit we have to constantly deal with?
>>342755034
Here you go neogaf.
Ground fucking zero.
This is TWO blunders in one.
>>342754935
Live events will be dropped on ps3 and the next expansion won't be available.
>>342755238
Did it ever occur to you that Sony doesn't own Watchdogs?
Maybe Ubisoft fed them some bullshit.
>>342750301
Yes there is
>>342755095
I know why you infer that, and you are correct but that was not the point
>Are you saying that marketing teams exaggerate the qualities of a product, going as far as using near deceiving tactics, just to advertise a product?
There your sarcastic passive-agressive comment is now accurate.
It should be obvious to everyone, but there are people who do believe Sony will deliver this time.
The thing is that not only I do not believe the hype, I can see the attempts to make these claims valid, and they are going to be disappoiting.
>>342755034
Its pretty obvious that the obsession with resolution and frame rate by console gamers has only come about in the last 3 years.
I honestly don't remember any of my friends ever bringing up resolution or performance during the last two console generations but now its all they care about. Now I don't exactly respect them as intelligent adults, and they just recently fell for EA's Battlefield 1 marketing campaign, so I assume that their obsession with console performance was most likely started by a marketing campaign.
>>342755431
>The neogaf meme is real
http://www.cinemablend.com/games/Sony-Removes-Watch-Dogs-1080p-60fps-Claim-From-PS4-Description-64040.html
>but Sony cannot do wrong!
It was them, ubisoft never stated it could go at 60FPS, they stated it would be 30FPS across all platforms.
>>342755431
>He doesn't remember Uncarted 4 and Killzone promising 60fps 1080p
>>342755947
So it was bad info, and the image was taken down.
But you claim to know what happened behind the scene, and you claim it was a sinister and deliberate marketing.
>>342754362
>>342754825
Apple's been threatening to either go back to Samsung or outright buy Japan Display Industries (No relation to Japan Break Industries) while dialing back on the parts they use from Sony.
>>342755095
Sony constantly talked about "Give me 1080P 60FPS or death" before launch, anon then plastered it across the internet when COD whatever was 1080P on PS4 and 720P on Xbone as a reason to buy a PS4. They have been constantly backpedalling since and even the head of Playstation has said the Neo was to stop PS4 owners discovering the PC ecosystem and stay within Sony's.
It was totally driven by marketing and their own fanboys/shills on neogaf encouraging it. And now it's biting them on the ass because a number of PS4 games have had very poor performance and not lived up to promises.
>>342755957
If you can prove that, then it's pretty damning evidence.
>>342756271
And Sony has been giving their sensors to new customers in China.
Why should you or I care if Apple wants to shoot themselves in the foot and use 2nd grade sensors?
>>342756337
I guess we better take Sony to court!
>>342756502
>Sony shills and neogaf go as far as defending Sony's non gaming related products
Holy shit, you are pathetic.
I am actually laughing at you.
>>342756680
But why do you actually care about what Apple does with their phones?
It seems to me that you're the pathetic person.
>>342756271
>Sony constantly talked about "Give me 1080P 60FPS or death" before launch,
And how do you know that wasn't aimed at the PS3?
You obviously take insult in it, because you have some sort of stake in the PS4's competitors.
I still don't think the "new" consoles are really developed with better performance and framerates in mind. Consoles have always been the budget product for people who love to play video games but don't have the money or time to put together a gaming rig, nor the ambition to progressively upgrade graphics cards or other components long term.
It always seemed like me the whole point was to have a budget VR system with the relaunch of the improved consoles. Which is why I don't really buy all the marketing speak of better performing games.
Maybe they saw all the articles by analysts, both legit and game "journalist" published, showing that PC game sales was leading to over take console gaming. What they fail to point out though is that a 50-60 dollar game sale is the same as a 5-15 dollar game sale. Those cheap greenlight or indie gimmick games don't come close to pushing limits on even your best buy bought computer. Even the on sale games are usually a few years old so budget gamers can play on their PCs.
Point of my ramble being that the marketing for scorpio and neo being all about better looking 4k and better performing games isn't true. It's just a budget VR system but with PR and marketing speak to sale a console to the console customers who don't care about VR but hear tech speak they don't understand and think they'll get graphically better games, when in truth they'll probably just get better shaders and slightly improved draw distances.
It's over for sony lmfao
I'm a console pleb. Final verdict will it be worth it ?
>>342756226
>So it was bad info, and the image was taken down.
It was bullshit, and youtube videos proved Sony was full of shit.
Sony took it down and started paying shills.
Articles like these:
>kotaku(.)com/do-you-care-about-resolution-and-frame-rate-in-games
>kotaku(.)com//a-developers-defense-of-30-frames-per-second-...
Started to surface.
There are more, way more, but they come from other clickbait sites you can browse on your own, and that is as far as I go, if you are still retarded, it is on you.
Sure, I could spend all day arguing with an idiot who will still insist it was not Sony fault despite all the evidence, and no evidence in your favor, as you have not demonstrated anything but your blind fanboyism.
As seen in these post made by other users
>>342756271
>>342755883
It is possible to track talks about framerate and resolution, back to sony.
>>342757079
I think they are developed for different purposes.
Microsoft did theirs because they wanted to be stronger and get the largest epeen.
Sony doubled the GPU because they wanted a 30/60fps pair of consoles their consumers could choose between.
VR is unrelated because even the old PS4 can do VR.
>>342757389
>It was bullshit, and youtube videos proved Sony was full of shit.
This was misleading marketing info which was retracted.
You're holding Sony accountable for something they have already retracted, and you don't even know if this claim actually came from Sony or Ubisoft.
>>342755386
Destiny 2 is coming out for. PC , just build a PC you can make a 480 equipped build for less than the neo.
>>342747951
Neo will be 400 again, PS4 dropped to 300
Scorpio will be 500, again, without a kinect bundled in
>>342757428
then why is the biggest buzzword behind both new consoles all about 4k and not framerates which is clear neither will be able to do properly?
Unless they change the conversation to be about how it'll stream or play 4k video with maybe maybe just maybe a few upscaled 4K games, most likely rereleases like last gen games.
>>342756951
>>342755034
>>342757917
>then why is the biggest buzzword behind both new consoles all about 4k
What's you surce that Sony has made a lot of buzz about Neo?
As far as my knowledge goes, they didn't even want to acknowledge it as E3, let alone talk about 4K.
I think you took Microsoft's babbling about 4K and attributed it to Sony, because that's in your personal agenda.
>>342758078
>.gif
I swear to Christ if this fucking jumps at me...
>>342758078
So, you want Sony to be responsible for things the Just Cause developer and Epic Games develope said?
Console companies are being greedy as fuck with these high price "mid-gen" consoles. It's almost like they are taking a page out of Master Race's book.
>>342758131
My bias is mostly in favor of Sony honestly. I relate to their basic gaming platform more than microsoft. I was one of the shitposters reposting that silly little E3 add of Shoe Hay and "how to share a PS4 game with your friends" ad they did last minute to contradict Microsofts convoluted Family share plan.
I just think releasing a new console this soon in the life with promises that seem, from all reports, to be pie in the sky is a bad idea for both companies. Whether it's microsoft talking about 4K and framerates, or Sony "leaks" real or not, also talking about 4K even if they haven't officially released any statements at this point.
Especially when the word out of the gate when both leaked was that these weren't going to be performance consoles but consoles upgraded for stable VR performance. We both know how gimmicky the console market can get, from playstation move, to the total failure of the kinect which is all but the bastard step child of xbox now.
It must be frustrating for you guys to see the PS4 sell so much and not being able to do anything to stop it.
It's pretty chill and relaxing to just observe the thread and all the arguing and frustrations, and not even lift a finger, because you know the shit sells itself.
>>342758859
I don't really give a shit as long as the good games keep getting PC releases.
>>342745527
ITT: /v/eddit talks about things it knows nothing about
>>342751675
This is the first time the strongest console was also the cheapest.
>>342747951
Scorpio is going to be 1000+
>>342759113
Except, you know, this hasn't been the case at any point in the current generation.
Current shitboxes have performed equal or worse than PCs of similar pricing.
>>342759113
That statement was made before Vulkan was released. Vulkan gives developers lower level access to the hardware. The single spec optimization thing was true, but not anymore.
>>342748334
With their "Premium PS4 for the hardcore gamer" language, it seems to me like they're going to give this thing a price hike before it goes out the door.
To this day I still don't know what the fuck Kinnect is.
Initially I just thought it as a camera. But apparently the thing is worth 100 dollars.
What?
Can someone explain what the fuck that thing even is?
Does it carry an additional processor or some shit to justify the extra 100 dollars?
Doesn't the scorpio still have a 8gb ram pool though? So it will still only have around 3.5 gb vram
Phil also said that it's pretty much useless if you have no 4k TV. So it'll most likely run the games at the exact same settings and framerate, but in 4k
>>342747789
last gen game.
>>342759293
It's also fair to point out that when Xbone launched the focus wasn't on games but the box being a multimedia platform first, a kinect house party box second, and gaming platform third. They spent a lot of time talking about all of the DVR Tivo shit and Netflix while also patting themselves on the back for each unit shipping with the kinect so devs could stop saying they wouldn't support it because not all 360 users had one.
Then there was that always online comment where Don Mattrick said if you don't want an online console to just stick with your 360 which is probably what single handedly got him removed from xbox.
The fact that it was less than a year?? when they stopped all kinect support shows they finally figured it out. The Scorpio is almost like an apology to xboxs gaming fans. Hell the whole "We won't talk about it, here are some devs to talk about it" is hat in hand saying "we're focusing on games and what the devs need to give you the best game possible".
Sony was all but handed the market victory with the two consoles launches. It's going to be interesting to see how they respond to the new microsoft direction Spencer is pushing. Do they even need to respond since they're doing so well? Who knows. Interesting times.
>>342753586
If Sony's doing Neo like MS is doing Scorpio, Neo will just output games at 4k so a cheap PS4 isn't a bad idea to get
>>342752256
>MS is still in the "Blueprint" stage of talking to developers and publisher partners
They're literally releasing the scorpio this holiday season.
>>342759904
It's just an over priced web cam with a shitload of marketing behind it
>>342760454
They are not the same at all.
Sony is keeping the specs mostly the same, Same amount of RAM.
It's just a beef up in GPU cores, to boost the frame rates.
It's only microsoft that has been banging the 4K drum, so I don't even know why you guys apply it to Sony too.
>>342760569
>This holiday season
It's 2017's holiday season you fucking retard
>>342760652
Because the rumor fucking started as "PS4K", so it makes sense that it would be going for the same market as Scorpio
And of course it's only a GPU boost, GPU does most of the work when it comes to graphics power
>>342759904
It's a camera and microphone developed to pick up and recognize certain things. hardware wise it probably is worth the 100 bucks but the console gamer, especially the xbro, doesn't have any interest in it and just wants to play call of duty and gears of war online. He doesn't want to play with fuzzy baby tigers or dance to remixed star wars songs. And he doesn't have a problem using his controller to turn the box on instead of shouting "Xbawks on! Xbawks ON!" 3 times just to turn it on.
>>342760683
Calm down m8.
>>342760830
>PS4K
That might as well be fanwank.
Gosh I can only imagine how annoying it must be to be a large company like this, when people see fanwank online and start to blame you for all sort of bullshit you never said.
>And of course it's only a GPU boost, GPU does most of the work when it comes to graphics power
But to actually get 4K upgrade you need additional RAM that can hold the larger game content.
Microsoft's next console has that. Sony's doesn't.
Will the Neo even sell? Seems like Sony is trying to shoot themselves in the foot with this.
>>342761156
Probably.
>>342759816
With how Andrew House talked about it being a "Premium Brand like Apple" expect them to hike price based on Brand name as well. Everything about Sony's new strategy reeks of Apple especially the "We don't want players to migrate to PC" angle. I'd expect them to push Playstation as a lifestyle brand and maybe add more premium to the price to position it in the market as a big lifestyle brand.
You can already tell Sony's heading to 2006 era arrogance again. Can't you?
>>342760830
Those weak Jaguar cores are going to not help very little with Framerate though. Same with the RAM Buffer only being the same so a 1080P to 1440P framebuffer for games with the 6GB it's allowing. Expect some games like Horizon Zero Dawn to have graphics settings turned up but the FPS still locked to 30. Uncharted might get a FPS boost to 60 with some drops but Bloodborne is probably going to be iffy and likely only 30FPS with V-Sync enabled.
>>342761156
How are they shooting their foot?
They just need it to be cheaper than the Xbox, and affordable. And that's really easy to achieve when you have the smaller processor.
>>342751972
the Genesis was competing with the NES
>>342747749
>>PC runs 1440 @ 60-100fps on everything made before 2007 I throw at it with a 480.
Fixed to make it a real story.
>>342761275
For a sneak peek of what Playstation is about to become, just check out the current Xperia lineup.
Overpriced by about 300 dollars each compared to similar phones in their specs tier because "muh brand".
>>342761485
Or their TV's, even. Their 4K Bravia range is shit and mostly just rebranded LG panels. You may as well get an LG because LG managed to reduce gaming lag (TV Set manufacturers have finally started to get serious on this).
If there's one thing Hirai is fucking up on. It's his insistence the "Brand" goes on everything to try make Sony a premium brand again. First thing you see when you see the nu-Ghostbusters trailer? Sony brand. $1000 Walkman player that turned out to be an awful flac player and worse than phone playback of flac? Sony brand.
That's the big worry for Playstation. It's going to be part of this "One Sony" mess and going to get fucked. That's even the reason Big Jack Tretton quit. Hated the idea. Wanted other divisions to stay out and left.
>>342762198
I don't think so. Games are the only thing that matters when people buy consoles.
Doomsaying isn't gonna stop people from buying the PS.
definitly will be an under clocked chip, they can't handle that power/heat
>>342761156
microsoft is pretty much releasing a new gen console with scorpio despite branding it as not.
If anyone is shooting themselves in the foot its microsoft. Yes they're going to have a next gen console that's more powerful, but they're marketing it as current gen with more horsepower. So if you already own an xbox one why bother upgrading? You could argue thta they're not selling to xbox one owners but ps4 owners, but even then, they should just outright say it's a next gen console.
Sony is being quiet but it seems like the direction they are taking is that it's not a next gen console but a console with better framerate. Like they already have the 40 million units sold so they know they can't get another 40 out this soon, so instead they'll focus on the ones who didn't know until now that they did want a luxury unit.
>>342759675
Similar pricing != Similar hardware
The hardware equivalent to consoles get cheaper and cheaper the further into the console generation it gets. He's still correct in that with similar (or even identical somehow) software the PC will run it worse.
>>342762620
Did you know the RX 480 is just less than 100 watts?
All 2x Jaguars to the mix, that's maybe an additional 20 watts. Or so.
I don't know how much power Jaguar modules use at 14nm, but it can't be that much.
Should I wait for the $300 cut Vega GPU to get something that will perform like Scorpio (want a PC at least as good as Scorpio for when I upgrade).
>>342745527
And this is a problem how? I get a more powerful PS4, Xbox usersgets a more powerful xbox, Nintendo is coming out with a new console too and PC owners will get cheaper parts.
It's a win win win for all of us.
>>342745527
Neo is 470 or underclocked 480; Scorpio is full Polaris 10, which doesn't have a consumer version
>>342762558
Price for a shit service will. Everyone thought PS3 was untouchable and yet the 360 reamed its ass for most of the generation.
>>342762558
>Games are the only thing that matters when people buy consoles.
Yes, COD and FIFA. That's what sells consoles
>Doomsaying isn't gonna stop people from buying the PS.
It won't, but Sony's spending all it''s goodwill on the PS4 launch poorly and now every compeditor on the market just knows to get the box in peoples hands. It just needs to play Call Of Duty.
NX comes in at a higher spec than PS4 Neo and plays Call Of Duty better than PS4, then what happens? Normalfags will gravitate to it. Weebs will gravitate to it because it will get Japanese support. Competition knows their secret.
That's Sony's problem. They promised the earth on all their products and nothing happened.
>>342762935
Scorpio is likely going to be Vega going off that timeframe, anon.
>>342762668
I think next gen (PS5 / Xbox Two) will use Zen core cpu.
That could really set them apart from the older generation. And it would give them backwards compatibility.
But newer games developed for Zen won't necessarily work for Jaguar based consoles.
>>342757657
except they keep doing it. Its one thing if you hire a guy and he messes something up. After that if no matter who you hire it messes up then you either suck at hiring people or you keep giving them the same directions
>>342747951FIVE HUNDERED AND NINETY NINE US DOLLARS
>>342763252
Some of the other sources you posted in that large image came from developers of third party games.
I think you need to dial down on your witch hunt.
>>342758859
>most of the thread is people defending sony
I know you are new but it is common courtesy to read a thread before posting in it
>>342754362
How the fuck does she walk with those glass looking feet?
>>342763179
>>That's Sony's problem.
If you think the NX is going to be a problem to Sony, then I think you're disconnected from the current world.
>>342763576
This is exactly what people said about the Wii and especially the 360 (this one being more relevant because unlike the Wii it wasn't a fluke).
Sony thinks like this too, especially when they are on top, and it's this arrogance that'll be their undoing just like it was last gen.
>>342760979
>tfw more people buy kinect for pc software/mods than the console it was made for
What is a 480 in terms if nvidia? Like a 1060?
>>342763179
>Scorpio is likely going to be Vega
Scorpio is already confirmed it has more in common with Polaris than with Vega.
>>342763830
In a console with proper optimization it's hard to say
>>342763830
If you mean in terms of where it falls spec tier-wise, then yeah, 1060.
>>342748635
x86
>>342763787
The Wii and 360 was a perfect storm, because the PS3 was late and it cost too much.
This storm doesn't exist in the current generation.
Fuck, there are even rumours that say the Neo will be on the market this year, long before NX launch.
>>342745527
Will you be locked at 4K with the Neo or will I be able to choose to play @1080p?
>>342764314
>locked
I don't think TVs work like that anon. They just display the stuff the console sends to them.
>>342764174
I think the fact that CoD and all other normalfag multiplats ran significantly better on 360 in all respects might have been a bigger deciding factor.
If you ask the average PS4 owner today why he chose the PS4, he'll most likely say "it's the best platform for cawadoody!" instead of "it's cheaper than the xbone".
>>342764545
I'm talking about the resolution the console is rendering.
>>342764545
>I don't think TVs work like that anon. They just display the stuff the console sends to them.
That's strange, then why do I set my resolution for my games from my computer and not the monitor itself?
>>342764714
I think you'll be fine even on a 720P TV.
>>342764737
That's exactly what he said
>>342764314
The games are most likely always rendered at 4k. I doubt that it has a 1080p mode for better perfoamrance if that's what you mean
>>342765109
It's a trivial matter for a GPU to detect the screen's resolution, and adjust accordingly.
Don't forget they also have compatibility setting for the old PS4 games too.
>>342765109
Yeah, that's what I meant.
Would upgrade just for the framerate improvement but if they won't let me do that then fuck it.
>>342750778
That breaks the warranty.
>>342764314
>>342765109
>4K
Where do you guys even have this info from?
How do you manage to stay alive in this world when you are this gullible?
>>342765485
Why wouldn't it when it was already out in the rumor mill and now Microsoft has confirmed they're releasing a 4K console in 2017?
It'll need to be 4K just to keep up with the competition.
>>342765309
On a PC sure,but i doubt console games will just run better if you play them on the NEO or scorpio unless they'll patch them for that hardware and i think they said that only games that came out after Oct 2015 will benefit from NEO
Who knows what that means. If games would actually run better at 1080p i'd sell my PS4 right away and get the NEO for cheap with the money from my old PS4. But if it's just 4k support then i doubt it will sell that much
>>342765772
Because its a 480 you retarded cuck
>>342765772
4K is a quadruple in resolution.
Neo is only a double in GPU power. And nothing has changed in the RAM.
>It'll need to be 4K just to keep up with the competition.
No, that's just your speculation.
You can't always be right, even if you want to be.
>>342765951
A 480 mixed with superior console optimization.
;^)
>>342745527
That's sad, in 2015 ps4 investigator CEO say that PS4 is 60% stronger.
If a poor r9 480 which is just 5 tflops is at pair with the PS4 Neo that means that PC is getting a good optimization level
There's literally no reason to own a console now. consoles are just less than 15% now.
>>342765907
I'll try to explain how it currently works.
PS4 disc content + 1080P TV => PS4 renders at 1080
PS4 disc content + 720P TV => PS4 renders at 720
Here is how the Neo will probably work;
Neo disc content + 4K TV => Neo renders at 1080
Neo disc content + 1080P TV => Neo renders at 1080
Neo disc content + 720 TV => Neo renders at 720
PS4 disc content + 4K TV => Neo renders at 1080
PS4 disc content + 1080P TV => Neo renders at 1080
PS4 disc content + 720P TV => Neo renders at 720
>On a PC sure
Maybe you need to be reminded the current console has up to date PC technology.
>>342766609
>2011
Dx12 and vulkan exist now
>>342766693
Hardly.
Especially on /v/ where everyone refuses to use W10.
Vulkan is typical freetard shit that will never reach saturation.
>>342766680
I know, i just said that the games won't run any better if you play them on a 1080p TV on the NEO
>>342767228
The modern GPUs we have all know how to cap the GPU itself when reaching particular frame rates. It's all handled in the drivers.
And it would be a trivial matter to render older unpatched PS4 games at higher framerates since the GPU is twice the computation, and you could still have the GPU itself cap itself at 60 fps, and let parts of it idle.
>>342768527
Not all games are only GPU intensive though, that's why shit like AC runs slightly better on Xbone. I doubt we will see better framerates for every game. Only a few games that came out after early 2016 and only then if they're patched which most likely will only be first party titles
>>342768747
>I doubt we will see better framerates for every game
This implying the Neo GPU will cuck itself and only run at vanilla PS4 setting.
But I'm telling you it's actually really easy to not do that and force the game to run at higher framerate..
>>342769017
The question is if that's always good.
For games that were 25-30 before, locked 30 would be good.
But for games that were locke 30 before 40-45 wouldn't be too great and would lead to horrible screentearing and stutter. And as is said it's not like all the games only run off of the GPU
>>342765951
No one knows it's a 480 when the 470 has the exact same CU, ROP and ACE count. It being a 480 is a dumb rumor started at neogaf who are begging it to be 5.5 TF when we already know its a 4.1 TF machine. Lets put it this way. The PS4 had the architecture of the 280X in additional compute units, ROP's and ACE queues but only the power of a 260X.
Sony is more than likely have gone with the same solution for the PS4 Neo where the architecture is from a more advanced card but the GPU itself is from a lower card.
