find a better level in ANY mgs game i will wait
Tanker would be if it was actually a full fucking area and not "the tutorial level".
Camp Omega
>>342733904
>mini gecko fucking everywhere
those little shitcunts ruined it
taken as a whole, I think MGS3 was at the height of MGS's level design
Metal Gear solid 1 had such good levels they revisited it and copied it 4 times in the series. Its clearly the winner. Any section.
Just finished marathoning 1-4 back to back for the first time. Is Peace Walker worth it? As in is it a full-fledged Metal Gear game?
>>342733904
MGS4 Shadow Moses would have been God Tier if there were actual guards posted and not those mini Gecko fucks.
>>342734839
4 was the last real MGS
PW is ok as a game but, as a rule, anything post-MGS4 hardly even feels like MGS
>>342734790
mgs1 copied its levels off of mg1 though
the fucking mountain top in mgs 3 I fealt like Rambo especially when shooting the patroling choppers while snake is yelling like a mad man
>>342733904
Tanker
MGS 4 South America
MGS 3's Jungle
>>342734839
It is worth it, but it's the worst MGS game. There's a lot of very similar boss fights that pad the game length a lot. The story is pretty shit too. You should play it at least once though,
>>342734986
Thats because Kojima was cajolled into making 4 to begin with and wanted it to be his absolute last MGS game. Then he got pressured to fuck by Konami and they were going to just keep making games without his input so he said fuck it. His heart was never in it after 4 and it showed. MGS5 was a great game but did not feel MGS at all.
>>342733904
As in Shadow Moses in general or Shadow Moses in 4?
The one in 4 is way too congested with guard robots.
>>342734045
It's still pretty good when it fully opens up in the VR missions.
>>342733904
We'll be waiting a while
>>342734180
>empty open world
lol no
>>342733904
this level was a godsend after the shit tier europe level
>>342733904
The black site in Ground Zeroes is the best area in the series. It's a damn shame V was mostly empty nothingness instead of more of that.
>>342735154
Kojima didn't even want to make MGS3.
>>342734180
First time through it was 10/10 GOAT
Then you learn the ins and outs of the map and the appeal is lost on later levels. V would have benefited from less levels but more diverse locations.
>>342734839
In some ways, Peace Walker reminds me a lot of the first three games. The guards have a low vision range, the levels are tight, and the setting is a jungle.
But the bosses aren't great and the progression system turns a lot of people off. Just give it a try.
MGS 4 is the worst Metal Gear game
>>342734839
I played it on the psp when it came out. I thought the gameplay and the base-building were great. The co-op missions are fun as hell too.
I'd recommend the vita version since it lets you use the second analog stick for the camera.
>>342736429
>not MG1
>>342733904
Ground Zeroes is the best level of any MGS game. Too bad the game it's a demo for us pretty trash
>>342736664
GZ is so fucking good, I can't believe it. From a gameplay standpoint, it's the pinnacle of the series.
>>342735154
>In the original draft of Metal Gear Solid 4, the ending had Solid Snake and Otacon turning themselves in for the crimes they committed, and executed. Most of the staff vetoed this ending, so it was not used.
that could have been the most ballsy ending in gaming history
>>342736970
All GZ did was roll back to the simplicity of MGS1/2, without all the useless things like 100 weapons, camo, survival nonsense, etc. That's exactly why it felt so good to play.
You had one mission to accomplish, and any extra equipment was procured onsite. That's how MGS should've always been, but that quality was lost during MGS3 and onwards.
Ok, i just got mgsV and the HD collection at the same time on sale for $20 total
Do i need to play peace keeper before V?
I don't want to miss out on any story related shit
Also, i can't play 4 period because i dropped my ps3 down the stairs, but i know it happens after both games i mentioned as well as SoL, snake eaters, and mgs
>>342735246
>the bustling community hub of afghanistan
>>342737306
might want to get that PS3 fixed
>>342735246
>waah afghanistan is empty
It amazes me everytime I read this complaint about MGSV.
>>342737306
I played MGSV just fine without ever touching Peace Walker, but there was still some stuff I didn't understand.
>>342737427
MGSV was the perfect opportunity for Kojima to revisit the "war stealth' concept introduced in MGS4, but he opted for a bland open world with a single passive faction that you have to actively bully for them to do anything interesting.
Thats why MGSV fails as an open world game, even DLC tier shit like FarCry Blood Dragon managed to make their world actually feel alive.
>>342737289
True. That and the godlike movement.
>>342737367
>>342737427
>empty boring open world
>somehow Afghanistan doesn't have a single town or civilian
>far cry even has this
a poor excuse, but you tried
>>342737306
V is not going to make any sense without PW.
>>342737289
The level design was great too
The midle east cenario is miles better, sad the game wasnt just that all time.
>>342737306
PW sucks, it's literally just big boss going ABLOO BLOO BLOO THE BOSS DIDN'T LOVE ME ENOUGH BY THE WAY THE SANDINISTAS ARE PRETTY COOL
Nobody cares about Big Boss "fall from grace" or whatever, we already know he's a bad guy who horribly misinterpreted The Boss' ideology.
>>342737656
it's significantly less empty than the real place
it's only "boring" if you're boring
Go play saints row or battleborn if you need keys dangled in front of your face every 5 seconds
>>342733904
Its better than the rest of the game but the entire section hinges on nostalgia. Its still stuck in a shit game. The crying wolf fight is good and piloting rex is probably the highlight of the game.
>>342737812
>but the entire section hinges on nostalgia.
theres literally nothing wrong with this
>>342734839
PW is trash just forget about it.
>>342733904
This same level on MGS.
That was pretty easy.
>>342737656
>literally occupied soviet territory in one of the least population dense countries
>"Snake, head to the inn and ask the locals about the missing sahelthanropus, they might know something"
>>342737778
The middle east was the worst location out of the first 4 MGS
>>342737409
I live on the 4th floor and have commie block conrcrete stairs. Theres nothing left to fix ;_;
>>342737715
>>342737804
>>342737559
>three conflicting answers
uhhh t-thanks anons
Guess ill just play it safe, i would still have played peace walker after
>>342734790
metal gear solid 1 is so good that it literally ruined the rest of the series
>>342737656
>he has no idea what he's talking about
speaking of poor excuses. Even if it was all of Afghanistan, which it isn't, the "country" has been 95% mountains and stretches of sand that make for mindnumbingly boring marches to the last 5% of "towns" which consist of a bunch of tribes shitting on eachother. Welcome to 330 BC.
>>342737306
Just watch a video about Peace Walker. It's the dumbest Metal Gear game ever made.
>>342738239
Same with 2
It hit such high notes that Kojima spent the rest of his time with MGS scrambling to justify it when he didnt have to
>>342738145
>worse than sons of liberty
not possible
t b h MGSV only really needed the Hospital map and you could've made a full fledged MGS from that alone.
>>342734839
It might be my personal favorite game. Loved the hell out of it. 200+ hours logged on PSP.
Camp Omega or the middle east in MGS4.
>>342733904
Shadow Moses in MGS4 is great for the nostalgia value, gameplay-wise it's not that great IMO.
It was still fucking amazing to revisit these areas all those years later. I'm just sad we didn't get to see the level where you fight Psycho Mantis.
Overall I agree with >>342734045
Tanker was amazing, probably the area I played the most in any MGS (mostly because of the demo, but I would still return there a lot in MGS2).
>>342738448
Can you give some of peacewalkers stregths?
I know it started alot of the base building shit continued in MsgV
>>342737427
Why, because it's true to life? I don't care about that, if placing the game in afghanistan makes it boring then move it somewhere else. It's not like Kojima has to worry about damaging the coherence of his story.
>>342738828
Has a pretty fun cast and is probably the most lighthearted MGS
that is if you ignore the whole kidnap/indoctrinate thing you do throughout the game
>>342738974
>that is if you ignore the whole kidnap/indoctrinate thing you do throughout the game
kek ive been thinking about that ever since i saw a review with the parachute thing flying away knocked out soldiers
>>342738828
It doesn't have any, the game is garbage
>>342738320
The big shell was bland and repetitive but it had some cool locations for sneaking. You had smaller areas where you could proceed slowly and you knew what you were against.
Middle east has huge areas with people running everywhere, spawning from everywhere and it's not always very obvious why somebody does or doesn't see you. I always feel miserable going through these levels on high difficulty in MGS4, you're basically flipping a coin everytime you leave cover.
After MGS1-4 just skip to Rising and you're done with the series
>>342739260
holy shit anon, did this game steal your gf or something?
Its not that terrible, ive played the co-op missions shit before once or twice
>>342739487
Rising is totally unnecessary for fans are of the series. If you like action slashers it's a good game but I hate the meme that it's somehow relevant and cyborg Raiden is the dumbest fucking thing to ever happen to the mainline games short of the pants shitter becoming a hero and marrying Meryl
>>342739638
It's more worthy of being called MGS5 than V ever was.
>>342739530
>I think a game is easily the worst in the series and I would rate it a 3/10
>hurr durr you habs a personal grubge
>>342738839
>Why, because it's true to life?
No, because the typical argument against open world games is that they are boring.
When you have a game set in a boring place, in comes off as very redundant to repeat the same trite.
>>342739638
>Rising is totally unnecessary for fans are of the series.
kek because the prequel bullshit totally is. At least the post-Shadow Moses world is actually interesting. I dont know why Kojima invested so much in going backwards in the timeline so that the series loses much of its speculative charm.
>>342739708
I didn't say five was any good, if is poison to fans of the series but fine as its own action game
Kind of like Rising
>>342739891
>I don't like one thing because it is pointless to the series and lore
>I must like all the other stupid shit too
You guys are really reaching today
>>342739487
Are you fucking kidding me?
Skip 4 if you're gonna skip any one of them.
>>342737427
>crooked scope
the fuck
>>342739638
the only thing really off about it is Raiden's development. Everything else about it is solid as fuck.
I like how it bothered to make their bosses actual characters like every MGS since 3 totally forgot to do.
>also has the best codec team since MGS1
>>342739741
>forgetting about acid/tactical ops
>>342740094
Welcome to the ANA.
The only thing missing in that picture is hash and a dancing boy.
The Russian base in MGS3 that houses the Shagohod is probably my favorite.
>>342737590
Blood Dragon was a stand alone game, not DLC.
>>342740071
You dont skip the end of the series. After MGS4 everything else is literally DLC tier
at least Rising is fun to play
>>342734627
I'd say MG2, Ghost Babel, or MGS2 were, but MGS3 was the most aesthetically varied.
>>342740150
Acid and portable ops are better MG games than PW or Rising. Rising is more fun than those two but this idea that because rising has metal gear in the name makes it relevant to the series is laughable
>>342740287
Its a spin-off game that happened to have excellent presentation and gameplay, and it offered an interesting look into the post-MGS4 world.
That alone makes it worth a play. More than the wankfest that is every single Big Boss game after 3.
>>342740287
Ill agree with you on Rising, but Acid is seriously one of the shitiest games ever made
The story is retarded
The card based shit is even worse than phantasy star ep 3
>need to use a ap to open a fucking door or change which direction you face
all the dialogue and character models are shit
completely non-cannon
>>342740150
Oops got my streams crossed there, but I also think Portable Ops and Acid are better MGS games than PW and also better games all around
>>342740225
You do if the end of the series is terrible.
>>342740287
explain how its not relevant
besides, Rising is the logical conclusion/continuation to the series after MGS4. If they just cancel MGS as a series and continue pumping out Rising games I'm all for it. MGS as a concept died a long time ago.
>>342739638
Rising isn't a mainline game, it's a spinoff and true Raiden game that draws a lot of parallels to MGS1.
>>342737427
realism means fuckall in a videogame. boring, empty worlds with nothing but plants and outposts = shitty game
>>342740532
In fairness I only played 2, has the same things you mentioned disliking present but I thought it was a lot of fun and won't fault it for restrictive AP mechanics
MGS level design is pretty average
Can't think of a single instance that's very good.
>>342740737
>>342740768
The story sucked, cyborg Raiden still sucks, and the post mgs4 world was bland
>>342740785
they changed alot of the mechanics for two, which was WAY better than one in every sense.
Also the cell shaded art style in two added a nice unique tone that was also not found in 1
>>342740878
Try playing 1 and 2 then.
>>342740893
That's not explaining anything.
>>342735232
Best mech battle I've ever played.
>>342741039
It isn't relevant because despite the few parrallels which were mostly through Raiden the game does nothing worthwhile to add to the MGS universe. A stealth game in the vein of MGS2 (my favorite) set in that world with that story would still be weaker than fuck
>>342735006
came here to post this
>>342737427
>It amazes me everytime I read this complaint about MGSV.
I really didn't care about the empty gameplay mgsv had but you're fucking retarded.
>no patrols other than 2 LRRP's that walk from base to base
>enemies can be heard talking about having tanks and helicopters being issued to each base
>it's literally fucking nothing and there's no helicopters aside from scripted missions
>no mujahideen battling soviets around the map
The last point actually makes sense considering skull face released the pashtun vocal chord parasite hence silent basilisk but it's pretty damn clear the game is unfinished.
>>342737289
Imagine if TPP had been a series of short games like GZ
>>342741651
I'm sorry lad, but you're the retarded one here. You're making counterpoints to something I never stated.
>>342737427
Mods fix a lot. But the vanilla game needs a rerelease on current consoles and rebalanced. Freeroam lacks vehicle patrols, road patrols, proper reinforcements, fences, etc. Side ops and missions are mess as well. A substance mode that just remixes and balances things could be a perfect game.
>>342742171
They'd still have to add real boss battles, rewrite the entire story and finish the game. Also scrap the adaptive enemies
I went stealth and tranq all game so they sent soldiers in heavy armor that required weapons to get around. Fucking retarded
>>342741921
>You're making counterpoints to something I never stated.
So you can't even make a convincing argument now that someone put in some valid points? Pathetic. Go and post another picture of ANA, that'll show everyone you know your shit about Afghanistan. Hell, you might convince someone that you served!
>>342741216
Define "worthwhile"
>>342741007
I did, they're pretty simplistic hubs that don't have much exploration. Not to mention how copypasted 2 is.
It a shame mgsv didnt go down to $20 this sale. When I do get a pc version, should I play with m+k or a controller?
>>342734180
quit reminding me this exists.
what could've been...
>>342742797
The best MGS games are all hub-based.
Tbh MGS3 dosent really even start until you hit Groznjy Grad
>>342742797
It's about the puzzles created by each room more so than a look and feel kind of level design. The whole thing is a big vr mission and is more fun thinking about it like that.
>>342742667
Define "faggot" without using I, me or myself
>>342742797
okay, what has good design?
>>342742875
>>342742875
>>342742875
this 100 fucking times over. Remember the guy with the Mass Effect 3 ending and how furious he said he was and continue to be?
thats me with this games ending / story
>>342742660
>So you can't even make a convincing argument now that someone put in some valid points?
I said Afghanistan is empty. You've yet to make anything that would argue otherwise, and now you are resorting to pathetic ad hominem attacks and baseless assertions that serve to do nothing but undermine whatever position you could have had. I'd suggest you were on the spectrum with your clear inability to provide discourse on a level higher than Grade 6, but I realized it's summer and not much should be expected.
But hey, whatever gets that /v/ street cred, Andrew. Can't wait to read whatever non-arguments you reply to this post!
>>342743005
>>Define "faggot" without using I, me or myself
>>sidesinorbit.jpg
>>342743202
Wtf
>>342743005
No surprise you cant bring up shit besides "I dont like it >:("
But I'll give you credit for at least having half-decent taste, MGS2 is probably the peak of the series
>>342743043
La Mulana, Unreal, Tomb Raider, etc
Exploration, verticality, spatial puzzles.
>>342743456
I've brought up plenty, let me show you your style of argument
>because hyrule warriors is fun and set in the same universe with the same characters it is the true sequel to Twilght Princess henceforth
And
>wellthatsjustyouropinionman.mp4
Camp Omega. Camp Omega is fucking great.
Shadow Moses in MGS4 would be good if it had guards instead of gekkos.
>>342743646
Let me tell you what you're doing
>Rising isnt relvant
How
>Because its shit
how
>Raiden disnt do anything relevant
define relevant
>kekekek poopypants xD
Now I''ll give you another chance to actually take this somehwere, but if you can't be bothered to say something of substance then dont bother responding.
All I ever said was that Rising was worth a play and is honestly a more true addition to the series than MGSV and it siblings. You have yet to explain why thats not valid with any depth.
>>342744203
That would be fine if it were true but I raised many points about Rising and don't feel like doing it a third or fourth time. It is a licensed Platinum game that does absolutely nothing of relevance for the series. If you believe it does that's fine but I do not believe that the game is anything more than a cool slasher with an MG license
>>342744526
You're still refusing to elaborate.
>>342744203
Also, I keep mentioning that I am not defending five, it is as useless to the world and lore is as Rising
>>342744603
I've elaborated at least a couple times on here brother, I'm on mobile but I'm the only one in here making that argument against Rising so check above. I dont Ind typing stuff up on a phone but I'm not going to repeat myself
>>342733904
It was awful.
It was a short dumb nostalgia trip through a completely empty location that just had some Geckos, a forced on-rails shooting segment, a dumb twist, and the only saving grace (that was honestly just a shitty Rock-Paper-Scissors minigame), being the Ray vs Rex fight.
>>342743654
it wouldnt make sense if it had guards though
>>342744816
>a forced on-rails shooting segment
its okay if mgs1 & mgs3 does it
>>342737427
If the territory was occupied by heavy and complex patrol routes and fauna, even that would be fine.
What we got was
>some tents
>sparsely secured village
>some bases
>OKB Zero
>>342744752
I dont think youd be repeating anything since you keep dodging. Hell you can even use greentext if it makes you feel better
>i actually 100% PW on PSP
>i did fucking PW custom S rank with the shitty PSP controls
>did all the ghost photography bullshit and perfect stealth missions
why the fuck did i spend so much time on that garbage
>>342744939
Kek, this.
>>342744816
Mgs4 plays great, it is as unpolished a stealth game as 3, opening up the world and environemnts killed the series but it is still fun just like 3. The story is weak but at least it tries unlike 5 and it has some great set pieces
To play these I should get a PS3 right?
I'm looking at the collections on amazon and it has the legacy which is mg to 4/pw and then I can get GZ and 5 on PC.
Is there a recommended list for ps3 games? I missed out on all of them because I had a 360 and pc
>>342744939
>tfw realizing MgS2 was the only mainline game without a rail shooting segment
>>342734954
It wouldn't have worked, Shadow Moses is a very tiny area without all that backtracking. 4 gameplay with humans in those environments would have been piss-easy; Twin Snakes had allowed you to headshot every guard from the doorway of rooms because the open maps just weren't designed to hamper precise aiming.
Turning it into a kind of navigation puzzle instead was probably the best they could do without drastically redesigning the place.
>tfw as soon as MGS stopped being about infiltrating large bases with a single mission it went to shit
MGS4 is fantastic until you reach the end of the first chapter. It had all the interesting dynamic environment shit.
>>342737289
>>342737616
If the movement in GZ was as fluid as it is in TPP I would agree, but trying to get used to it the first time you played it was fucking annoying
>>342734045
I think the tanker is the perfect distillation of the MGS formula. From the moment Snake jumps off the bridge to the moment he apparently drowns everything is just perfect. The level design, the enemies, the story, the TECHNOLOGY. It just works.
>>342737289
This, MGS4 dumped dozens of guns on Snake's lap that he could purchase at any point. It fucking sucked.
>>342745143
At the rare moments where you weren't in a cutscene, a boss fight, an on-rails shooting segment (of which theres like what, 4? 5?), or a fucking minigame, you have like a total of an hour worth of actual MGS gameplay.
And no I'm not counting the boring stealth following mission in the pseudo-Ukrainian city.
>>342733904
>guard geckos
Piece of shit.
>>342737590
Warzones aren't alive.
War is and will always be boring as fuck.
>>342745856
It was probably 8 hours of gameplay for a decent player. Would have been nice to have more, I average 10 in 2 and 12 hours in 3 on hard difficulties trying not to get spotted but what's there is very good
>>342743654
No it isn't.
It's a shitty generic and unoriginal military base.
>>342746050
No moreso than Shadow Moses
>>342746135
Which is also a generic military base only praised because muh nostalgia.
>>342746195
I was agreeing with you
>>342736664
>>342735405
The truth honestly can't come out any different than these two posts.
>>342746362
Fuck you.
>was expecting the Afghanistan part of MGSV to play out like Rambo 3
>instead we got a literal sandbox dotted with a handful of Soviet "bases" and goats everywhere
>>342746417
[Spoiler]calm down nigger, Rising is still the worst[/spoiler]
>>342733904
>old snake
wat?
>>342746050
No. Lighting, atmosphere and music are great. There are a lot of things to find, patrols change every two minutes, there's a lot of dialogue to hear and many shortcuts inside. Easter eggs, weapons to use. Varied environment, a shit ton of places to explore.
>>342744939
Those games are shit. Especially MGS3. When did MGS2 do it?
>>342746456
Rambo Gear Solid still would've sucked though. If youre a Rambo fan I actually thought the Rambo game was great
>>342746560
There's no atmosphere that invokes anything, it's just a boring base.
> Varied environment
Oh yeah, you have the 5 square meter cages, the 20 square meter tent zone and the buildings.
>a shit ton of places to explore.
Which is pointless since there's nothing to find aside from ammo.
>>342734839
I thought PW was absolute garbage.
>>342746560
There's no easter eggs in the entire game aside from those two Reddit-tier extral levels.
>>342733904
>Nothing but robbots
You're opinion is bad and you should feel bad. MGS is my favourite game of all time and this level did absolutely nothing for me.
>>342746560
Shame you can ''explore'' the entire base in 5 minutes since it's almost completely open, you can see almost the entire level, and there's nothing but one corridor as interior in the building area.
...
How much more awesome would MGSV had been if they had co-op like PW?
>>342747127
It still would have been shit, just like Peace Walker was
MGS 4 was the last great MG game.
I loved MGSV's gameplay, but I absolutely hate the missions-based structure from PW that they used in it.
When I play a metal gear game, I want to play it from beginning to end, if possible in one sitting, or at least in the span of a weekend, and just enjoy the retarded story and be immersed in the game.
PW and MGSV just take me out of the game ALL the damn time. It has too much meta shit. It feels completely different from the rest of the series, and that sucks because when Ground Zeroes came out I was fucking HYPED, because the gameplay was amazing, and the ambitious open map opened up so many possibilities, it was truly amazing.
I had hoped they'd do something like a bunch of GZ-sized maps in sequence for the main story, like you progress from one map to the next as you progress through the narrative of the game, like in the previous 4 MGS games. Base building, repeating missions and all that other meta shit just doesn't feel like MGS at all to me.
>>342733904
I actually really liked OKB zero. It's not my personal favourite but it deserves a mention.
>>342748180
>MGS4
>great
Kill yourself.
It's probably the worst ending to a franchise ever made, second only to Mass Effect 3.
The entire game was a fucking disgrace of storytelling, and as a videogame in general.
>>342748180
>MGS4 is considered good now
Zelda cycle, MGSV will be automatically praised as a flawed gem when The Phanton Pain 2 comes out.
/v/ is nothing if not predictable.
MGS5 was fun and only thing wrong was missing episode 51.
But sure blame it on Kojima who actually makes games while Konami turns Contra, Mystical Ninja, and Gradius into penchinko machines.
>>342749238
MGS4 is only considered somewhat good now because V was so shit.
>>342749024
>>342749238
I never said it was the best MGS game, just that it was the last one that felt like a MG title.
The game was only considered shit by hipsters and fans who pretended that the story WASN'T shit before 4. MGS' plot has always been retarded, 4 just too that to epic levels for the conclusion. Everything it does is literally done in the previous games too, plot-wise.
If you were impressed by story of the MGS games you were either too young or too dumb to realize that it never really took itself seriously.
>>342749781
No, the thing is that, even if retarded, it could have ended the franchise in a way it didn't completely destroy everything the previous entries were building up to.
>>342749936
And what were they building up to, exactly?
Everything MGS 4 touches on is LITERALLY just an expansion of 2's full-on CURAYZEEH ending.
>>342750154
Quite the opposite, MGS4 is wasted explaining all the CURAYZEEH shit that happened during the entire franchise.
Hell, they brought back Big Boss to deliver 30 minutes of explanation as to the support team from the previous game is the Illuminati and then they kill him again.
>>342750869
Are you implying MGS 2 didn't have a TON of expository dialogue that explained the completely retarded shit that happens in the game too?
Because it had. A lot.
MGS 4 is just MGS taken to extreme levels.
>>342735232
>Piloting a Metal Gear while fighting another Metal Gear.
MGS4 is not perfect but it gave us something we wanted since day 1.
>>342751197
No, i'm implying MGS2 wasn't about trying to give an explanation to every single thing that happened before.
>>342746992WHOOOOOOOOOOO
>>342751897
It does though. MGS 4 just had more explaining to do because it came last.
Seriously, MGS 4 was the perfect ending to the saga for me, it wrapped up the retarded plotlines with retarded explanations, and gave us a bunch of awesome moments. I'd been a fan of the series since I first played MGS on my PS1 in high school and it basically did everything I came to expect from the series but bigger and flashier, and even more over the top and insane.
What did you expect from it? Like honestly, I'd like to know what other fans were expecting from it, not trying to be cheeky or anything.
>>342752435
It destroyed everything, all the magic turns out it was retarded shit like Ocelot brainwashing himself.
It wasn't even a story per-se, it was just a failure that tried to explain plotholes and other shit that didn't need explanation.
It was retarded and it still is, by far, the worst MGS.
At least MGSV had the decency of staying quite self-contained, while MGS4 had to destroy every MGS before it.
>>342752720
But what were you expecting, though?
Like, which explanations wouldn't be retarded, in your opinion?
Would you prefer if the game had just left those questions unanswered? I bet that would have left even MORE people mad at the game.
>>342753198
A sequel.
Not something so damn focused on explaining the past and being cheap fanservice, plus a proper boss squad with proper boss fights.
>Would you prefer if the game had just left those questions unanswered? I bet that would have left even MORE people mad at the game.
Why would it?
Everyone accepted that Liquid posessed Ocelot without a problem, retarded explanation, but that's all.
And they had to retcon that to Ocelot rusing himself.
Or Big Boss, who turns out he's alive for the third time just because people liked MGS3.
>>342753408
>Not something so damn focused on explaining the past and being cheap fanservice
But that's literally why the game was made, though.
Kojima was pretty much done with the series, but they wanted him to wrap it all up in one epic finale, and the fans wanted explanations, so he went all out.
MGS has always been about the unexpected, about crazy, nonsense twists that leave you even more confused. People expected Ocelot to be posessed, so he subverted that expectation. People expected Big Boss to be dead, so he comes back in a dramatic finale. People expectedOtacon to be happy. ;__;
>>342753408
>Not something so damn focused on explaining the past and being cheap fanservice
you seriously need to look up why mgs4 even came to fruition
>>342743147
Furious Fernando?
