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>>342641703
she dies in the end and is the highest ranking....
do you know what mary sue means????
>>342641703
>it's another "people don't know what mary sue is" episode
>inb4ciri
>>342641703
>Woman
>soldier
>no bullshit
I don't know, anon. She has a pretty nasty cut on her torso.
>>342642084
name a single character flaw The Boss has
>>342641703
>gets screwed by fate multiple ways to Sunday
>mary sue
>>342642256
She was completely devoted to her country.
It can be seen as a flaw.
>>342642256
She's an ass-ugly bitch.
>>342642084
>she dies in the end
Noble sacrifice is literally Mary Sue trait numero uno
>>342642730
>noble
>>342641703
How does she go to war while pregnant?
>I need to report to my CO I think my water broke!
>>342642865
>Dies for her country with everyone thinking of her as a traitor
How is this not a noble death?
>>342642916
The same way her mid-battle C-Section gave her a scar all the way up to her chest.
>>342641703
>She didn't make her fucking lessons clear enough
Majority of Metal Gear's problems would have been avoided if she actually explained her true intentions better
>>342641703
She's an unattractive psychopath who experiences joy while she kills for her country
The Boss also senselessly ruined Snake's Virtuous Mission while simultaneously buggering her own mission to the point of risking nuclear armageddon
still best mom tho
>people try to defend metal gear's horrible writing
>>342643234
>people spread opinions they read on /v/ about games they never played
>>342642256
She was overly devoted to an ideal she was uncertain of
She was too trusting of a fucking psychopath
She's responsible for the downfall of the world post-MGS3
MGS3 was a mistake from a lore perspective
as a game it was pretty good
A strong character with few flaws is only a mary-sue if it isn't realistic. From what we know about The Boss, all her skills and characteristics make sense in the world she exists in.
>>342643351
You literally cannot defend MGS's writing
Even if you like it its still objectively bad, everything since MGS1 is
>>342643734you just don't get it:^)
>>342642256
She's blindly loyal to the point of stupidity and lacks basic political understanding despite being the daughter of a member of the illuminati. She's a great soldier but a shitty spy, and if she had a ounce ounce of critical thinking could have been avoided being sold out by the CIA if she had been willing to take charge of the operation. She is by every definition a tool and lacked complete agency as a person. Her dying was a the cowards way out and because she had no understanding of how her actions affected the world in the long run it led to every bad thing in the series happening.
>>342641703
She wasn't so much a 'mary sue' within MGS3 itself, but the rest of the series makes her seem like one due to the sheer amount of hero worship heaped upon her. Also didn't they confirm that she threw the fight against Naked Snake?
>>342643734
'kay
>>342643734
It's not that bad. It's ok at best.
>>342644035
She didnt throw the fight. She respected Snake too much to do that.
The MIGs were there so she could still die even if Snake couldnt beat her.
>>342643813
Thats one of the biggest problems I have with MGS3, its characters are hardly beleivable.
What you said about the Boss is spot on, and with Naked Snake: how is this experienced CIA guy acting like a naive kid about his entire mission? Why, as CIA operative, is he JUST NOW learning about how fucking shady the government is?
Its like someone took a YA novel and just made everyone grown ups. It makes no sense.
>>342643052
>Fighting for your "country" is translated to fighting for whatever the politicians who control the country want
She was just a tool of the government who played her role in getting what they wanted. Serving your country is not noble. Being a nazi is not noble.
inb4 nazi are noble
>>342643813
You understand that modern espionage was still in its infancy in 1964?
>>342644232
And the thing is, I don't have a problem with her flaws. You can have a flawed character be well written, but don't pretend the Boss is some magical amazing mary sue who did no wrong. I think that interpretation only came due to Eva's epilogue that made her look super sympathetic in conjunction with Big Boss's death scene where he talks about her. They tried to paint MGS 4 like everyone, Big Boss, Zero, Ocelot and Eva were just fighting for the Boss's ideal world like it was some complex ideology that no one could figure out after 50 years. Peace Walker fixed that since Big Boss got it, he just didn't agree with it.
>>342642256
She's a side character in one game that dies and everyone thinks she was a heartless monster.
For the majority of the game she was a villain.
http://katfeete.net/writing/suestart.php
How many of you autists have Mary Sue OCs?
>>342643606
Everything post-MGS2 was a mistake when it comes to the lore.
They took the villain that was Big Boss and made the same mistake Lucas did with Darth Vader and Disney with Maleficient, which was giving him a backstory of how he became a 80s movie villain.
>>342643390
Also she was not loved by everyone and died a traitor to the country she loved.
That's a textbook requirement of a mary sue.
>>342643078
Sounds like religion.
>>342641703
Boss is suppose to be a Mary Sue. She's the hero BB always looked up to. There's a good chance she has some series flaws but she would never expose them to BB especially when he has to kill her.
>ywn get the MGS game where you play as a 9 months pregnant Boss in WW2
Kid, from Chrono Cross
>>342645853
*Pop Science
>>342643052
>fighting for your country
>globalist whore
lol
>>342644035
People worshipped BB, some false propaganda idol.
He only tried to carry on the Boss' will and I think he, in his own mind, started to to overplay her will and thoughts and ideas.
Zero, perhaps out of guilt for forcing snake to go thriugh that, also puts way too much focus on the Boss.
Maybe the fact that they make her out to be a Mary Sue later is because it's their coping mechanism. Where their one true idol was incorruptible and a true patriot.
>>342644907
That has nothing to do with anything. The act of spying has existed as long as people knew how to talk to each other. That's no excuse for a daughter of someone who's a member of a shadow government to lack any basic understanding politics, or basic motives of other people outside of herself.
>>342645536
mine got a 24, fite me
JUST
>>342645536
How do I do this if the character I'm writing is for an RPG?
>>342645536
This test is filled with loaded questions but I guess it works for people who basically write anime. It lacks nuance.
