Is it nearly as censored as everyone was flipping out about? Is it even that huge of a deal worth denying the game over?
no
treehouse censorship sucks but i cant think of an instance in which it has actually ruined a game
>>342581317
It ruins characters and overall atmosphere, but yeah
I can definitely understand not wanting to buy a censored game.
I can't understand why someone would care enough about censorship to base their decision whether to purchase around it, yet not follow any news or do any research on their own.
You're a retarded sheep.
>>342581262
>/v/ making a big deal out of nothing
how new are you
Just get an undub version, it's win win situation for you. You can play the non butchered version without supporting NoAs retarded decisionmaking.
>>342581262
I've just finished the prologue and doing a bit of exploring
This things like a more streamlined and polished Persona 4, without the VN shit
DAMAGE CONTROL
>DAMAGE CONTROL
DAMAGE CONTROL
>DAMAGE CONTROL
Fuck this game. Just wait and emulate the fixed version in a year or two... meanwhile, this masterpiece is coming out uncensored.
>>342586809
I wouldn't call SMT4 good let alone a masterpiece
>>342581262
yet to play, know that few costumes got changes, age of one of characters, model of female character got bone lines removed, and one dungeon was remade thematically cause it had various swimsuit photos
kinda bad, but not something to miss game because
when you get another atlus idol jRPG with JP audio anyway
>>342585186
>undub version
on scale of 1 to 100 how dumb are you?
>>342581262
>Is it even that huge of a deal worth denying the game over?
That really depenids if you want the current trend of censorship to continue or not. I highly recommend you just hack the wii u and pirate it instead. Not like Nintendo is likely to continue supporting the wii U after this year anyhow.
>>342581262
It's bad senpai.
>>342587752
seems you are a bit hyperbolic.
kinda sucks but not end of the world.
>>342586846
This isn't SMT4, though. It's a brand new game.
>>342581262
Yes. Even the japs are making fun of the people who'll buy it:
http://blog.esuteru.com/archives/8606187.html
You even have the director of the game trying to the damage control here:
https://twitter.com/meme_look/status/744820901321945088
>そういえば海外版幻影異聞録FEことTokyo Mirage Sessions FEの発売日が今週24日に迫ってるじゃないですか!色んな理由で諸々衣装とか変更しイベント内容やボイスも一部変更した結果海外版の衣装結構可愛いじゃんになったわけですので海外在住のWiiU勢は是非!
Come to think of, Tokyo Mirage Sessions #FE release date is this week isn't it! For various reasons we had to change some content of the game, from voice acting to clothing of some character's, but i think the end results are pretty good! If you live overseas and own a WiiU by all means buy the game!
Shin Megami Tensei Opening Sales Comparison
1-[3DS] Shin Megami Tensei IV (Atlus) {2013-05-23} — 188,562 / 262,150
2-[PS2] Shin Megami Tensei III: Nocturne (Atlus) {2003-02-20} — 151,203 / 245,520 [Famitsu Tracker Data]
3-[NDS] Shin Megami Tensei: Strange Journey (Atlus) {2009-10-08} — 91,000 / 136,149 [Famitsu Tracker Data]
4-[PS2] Shin Megami Tensei III: Nocturne Maniax (Atlus) {2004-01-29} — 40,907 / 77,791 [Famitsu Tracker Data]
5-[WIU] Genei Ibun Roku #FE (Nintendo) {2015-12-26} — 23,806 / NEW [Famitsu Tracker Data]
Fire Emblem Opening Sales Comparison
1-[3DS] Fire Emblem Fates: Birthright / Conquest (Nintendo) {2015-06-25} — 353,201 / 536,121 [Famitsu Tracker Data]
2-[3DS] Fire Emblem: Awakening (Nintendo) {2012-04-19} — 242,600 / 481,865
3-[NDS] Fire Emblem: Shadow Dragon (Nintendo) {2008-08-07} — 147,704 / 252,309 [Famitsu Tracker Data]
4-[WII] Fire Emblem: Radiant Dawn (Nintendo) {2007-02-22} — 73,337 / 171,924 [Famitsu Tracker Data]
5-[WIU] Genei Ibun Roku #FE (Nintendo) {2015-12-26} — 23,806 / NEW [Famitsu Tracker Data]
>>342587846
>saying "it's bad" is being hyperbolic
>>342587880
That's cool, but how will EOP plebs read the comments making fun of them?
>>342587846
>changing a subplot of a dungeon is ok
I was optimistic for this game when I heard they weren't going to dub it. Thought that meant that they would release it with minimal work done. Instead they took away Tsubasa's vagina bones.
>>342587914
>>342587997
cause could be worse
>>342581262
Yes, Some outfits were altered to be less revealing. (Example: http://i.imgur.com/KGaJLLz.png)
-Chapter 2's context was changed. The antagonist for that chapter is a swimsuit model photographer who is going through a midlife crisis and ends up kidnapping Maiko and his dungeon is filled with pin-up pictures of the girls he's taken pictures of. The other side plot is about Tsubasa not wanting to pose for said photographer because she feels objectified. The the localized version he is a fashion photographer, so said pictures in the dungeon aren't swimsuit clad, and the swimuit Tsubasa and the other girls would wear are replaced with "street" clothes. Also Tsubasa is camera shy rather than having a fear of being objectified. Edit: Forgot to add an example: http://i.imgur.com/46QOAzM.jpg
-Aversa, the boss of chapter 1, has her cleavage covered in smoke for a cut scene (but no where else, which makes this particular instance really baffling) example: http://gamesnosh.com/wp-content/uploads/2016/05/Tokyo-Mirage.jpg
Almost forgot. There's a DLC we here in the west aren't getting. It was a collection of cut scenes where the characters would make a commercial for a sauna but flub up their lines and hi jinks ensue. It also would have come with alternate swimsuits for the cast.
I'll never understand all these people getting so angry over censorship. I'm more concerned about what this game plays like and its sound track. An extra piece of cloth on the already visually unappealing characters is not gonna change much.
>>342590141
It's like removing guns and murder from gta.
>>342590335
Not him but that is integral to the gameplay of gta. A better comparison is forcing fedoras or cloth lines to certain characters, like all women in burkhas as an extreme. Doesnt touch the gameplay one iota.
>>342587752
good. i didnt want to see underaged girls in lewd outfits anyway
>>342590914
>underaged
>>342590914
>18 underage
>>342587847
>Brand new game
>garbage expansion pack that reuses assets
SMT kids please just go, your series is pure trash beneath even pokemon
The only thing more pathetic than this 4kids censorship are the losers STILL butthurt they didn't get some uninspired boring crossover shit like project x shit.
>>342587431
"bone lines removed" what?
>>342589279
looking at some of this, I don't understand why they censored tiddies, yet leave similar content untouched?
whats the reasoning behind it
>>342592168
>"bone lines removed" what?
3d model was changed around
>>342591074
>>342591734
age doesn't necessarily mean its pedophilia or not. would you be okay fucking a 22 year old when she still has the face and body of a 12 year old?
>>342583003
>I can definitely understand not wanting to buy a censored game.
>I can't understand why someone would care enough about censorship to base their decision whether to purchase around it
those are literally the same thing?
>>342593892
But the characters in #FE don't look like 12 year olds tho.
You're a cuck if you support censorship.
>>342585186
>supporting NoAs retarded decisionmaking.
See, here's the thing.
None of this is going to change anything.
That's something I don't get about the anti-censorship crusades. They seem to think they have some kind of power by not buying the games.
But really, all that does is make them shrug it off as not selling because the market wasn't interested in said game.
If you buy the game though, they think the changes worked for the better by making it more acceptable to that market.
It's literally a lose-lose scenario no matter what you do when it comes to the censorship thing.
That's why, at this point, I just don't give a shit about it anymore and care more about how the gameplay is.
Fucking Fates Conquest was ass rapingly hard but I loved it and even enjoyed the easy comfort of Hoshito.
Not sure if I'll get #FE yet cause people never seem to talk about the gameplay.
Wait, doesn't /v/ pride itself on caring about gameplay above all else?
>>342581262
> intentionally hiding the user score
Why you lyin' anon?
>>342594376
Yes it doesn't matter.
Doesn't mean you should play censored crap, when peoples will definitly make a pirated version that's better.
It's just the usual suspects. Outfits and ages changed. Only thing beyond that is changing the setting of a gravure photoshoot to something else.
>>342594432
You wouldn't buy a WiiU if you cared about gameplay.
>>342588598
>but Persona 1
Got a recent example or you going to keep reposting that?
>>342594527
They changed everything triggering inducing in the story too. They change the theme of the best dungeon in the game and made it the power of friendship instead.
>>342594561
that doesn't make any sense it's a fucking party game and platinum machine
>>342581262
>Is it nearly as censored as everyone was flipping out about?
Not really, aside from fap fuel and one joke.
>>342594664
>>342587880
>lying
>>342592108
> insulting PxZ
Thanks for verifying you didnt play 2.
> didnt get the game they were promised
Yeah because everyone was defending Nuts and Bolts claiming the old fans were just bitter haters.
>>342593892
that would be called dwarfism not pedophilia fucking retard
>>342594709
>not playing the game
You're more retarded than the people who voted to leave the EU because of immigration.
>>342593892
As a dwarf i find this insulting to be called a 12 year old child.
>>342594826
Why should I play it now? It's not going to fucking fly away, one day someone will uncensor it or I could play it in nip too, I can just fucking wait, especially when Atlus literally released 2 actual good games this summer that's not this cucked idolcrap
You're the fucking retarded sheep who just play games for their hype.
>>342594376
>That's why, at this point, I just don't give a shit about it anymore and care more about how the gameplay is.
You never gave a shit about it. If you actually had a problem with censorship you wouldn't support it, even if you did think it wouldn't make a difference.
>>342594826
Nice projection libcuck.
Stay mad the UK didnt want to play ball with the smelly kids.
>>342594376
>But really, all that does is make them shrug it off as not selling because the market wasn't interested in said game.
to be honest, game would sell like shit regardless if it was censored or not.
I better off enjoying game I found interesting than yelling about not buying it online
I'll take it over dubbed persona 5 easily.
>>342587880
>those twitter comments
Jesus Christ japan is completely destroying us, we're a laughing stock
>>342581262
The game is fun. The controversy around the localization is retarded.
>>342595148
You do realise leaving the EU has killed the UK's economy and their main sources of export, scotland and ireland are considering leaving right?
Not to mention it won't actually affect immigration, in fact it may actually increase it because the EU doesn't give a fuck about them any more.
>>342595000
>You're the fucking retarded sheep who just play games for their hype.
Coming from the person that's believing what /v/'s telling them, you don't have a single thing other than those skewed images constantly being posted around.
>Atlus literally released 2 actual good games this summer
And those would be?
>>342595321
Didn't you hear?
You can't like a game if it isn't totally in japanese, no english, no translations, nothing at all changed whatsoever.
If you do well you're a retard for promoting something that's occurring with every publishing company and developer/writer/artist around the world!
>>342581262
/v/ doesn't actually care about this game, they just want to be mad
>>342595321
I could argue the same about Fates localization to some extent, but people decided to shit all over it anyway
>>342595473
Surely you're not trying to suggest that most games get censored as hard as this one.
>>342595539
I could've dealt with dumb dialogue changes if game had dual audio, after all you can look up original text of those without much of a problem.
but that Eng dub was so disastrous, I just couldn't bother
>>342594664
>this
>fap fuel
do you sneak into churches during mariages to masturbate you degenerate?
>>342595597
Oh no, they don't get censored.
Not at all. They're always the same way they were made you know?
If you hear someone say anything about censoring with other games it's CLEARLY a lie.
>>342595643
I honestly didn't think the dub was as bad as it could've been. A few of the voices were pretty shit, but I thought the rest of it was acceptable for dub standards.
>>342595783
so you're really implying that every game gets as heavily altered as this one, what a delusion
>>342595783
Name a non Nintendo game that has been "localized" as much as this game.
>>342595783
You don't really need to take people's word for it these days, since they'll make nice comparison images like >>342595681 has. That seems pretty reliable to me. Game is obviously censored. Most games are not censored that badly, or they'd have nice comparison images too.
>>342595827
we all have different stuff we can handle better or worse when it comes to localization.
for me dual audio is usually deal breaker. I can deal with dubs only when game is not heavily stylized 3D. When 2D characters talk on english, it really throws me off.
>>342594004
>yet not follow any news or do any research on their own
Retard.
>>342593892
>Not wanting to be in a relationship with a 10,000 year old vampire
>>342596084
surely you misquoted
>>342581262
I dont agree with their retarded censorship of innocent things like a wedding dress or a swimsuit, but im not gonna skip a good game over it.
"Boycotting" it does literally nothing
>>342595934
Monster Monpiece was it?
Xenosaga
Stick of Truth in Europe (especially germany) and Australia at least
Mugen Souls which removed a minigame in its entirety if I remember right, not too different from FE Fates come to think of it but that still had a bit left over during marriages.
Pretty sure there's a bunch of Nisa and overseas games I could dig up but I have to take a shit at the moment.
changing panties to spats just makes it more lewd
>>342596290
"whining" usually does more than boycotting.
but considering niche titles of the game, we can't reach amount of whining to change something.
What I really don't understand is WHY they're censoring it. I mean, what's the target audience? Do Nintendo seriously think that Little Timmy from down the road is gonna choose a turbo-weeb, Japanese-only game based around the idol industry over the latest COD, if they only censor it so that Timmy's mom wouldn't be offended when she catches him spanking it to a virtual wedding dress right there in the living room?
The real target audience for #FE is degenerate weeaboos (myself included, natch) and that target audience lines up EXACTLY with the type of people that will get butthurt over censorship of any kind. Literally all they've done with this is generate controversy and lose sales. It's not just annoying from a consumer standpoint, it's a poor decision from the business' perspective too.
>>342596454
if to dig now, you probably can find a bunch more
just before recent years you couldn't compare games to their JP releases this instantly.
all it takes now is just watch youtube gameplay.
>>342596545
western publishers are just idiots
take look at altus usa for example
completely weeb games all around, and everything is dubbed. with -san -kun honorifics
yeah, weebs really won't want to hear Char voice in Persona 5, you see.
>>342596290
Just be honest with yourself and admit you don't mind censorship, dude. It's silly to pretend you're against it when you support it.
>>342596545
Nintendo of America are proud of their family friendly reputation. They wish to keep this reputation. It doesn't matter if nobody outside the target audience was going to buy it, they don't even want to be associated with it. Their reputation is more important than your money. Especially since the game was going to bomb anyway so it's not like they're losing much in any case.
>>342596746
>Nintendo of America are proud of their family friendly reputation.
>>342597012
>platinum wanted to tone down the lewd Nintendo costumes
>Nintendo said no
>they made it over the same lewd state
>>342596746
> It's silly to pretend you're against it when you support it.
Not him but you do realise you can like the content more than you hate the censorship right?
Things aren't that black and white where you can drop something like that
>>342596615
I know right?
Hell I could just go to that censored gaming youtube channel and find a hell of a lot of shit.
There's even another thread about japanese censorship up now.
>>>342589458
>>342597012
I think difference is that AtlusUSA which was doing localization was affected by NoA influence, when Bayo development was not.
>>342597012
That's not a Nintendo property though. Fire Emblem is. And this game is only half Fire Emblem, sure, but that's still enough, I assume.
I don't think NoA were involved with localising Bayonetta anyway.
>>342597532
Thing is Nintendo still had a say as to what went in and what didn't because they were essentially funding the game.
I already made uncensored version and uploading it to wiiuiso.com in 2hrs. Enjoy all cleavage n shit.
>>342597357
not that knowledge that this shit happens all the time makes it ok, but at least you can easily see the differences
>>342597814
The Japanese branch had a say. Their priorities are different to the American branch. You'll notice that they didn't censor Mirage Sessions either, which is why we're having this thread.
>>342598078
Never said it did but at this point people shouldn't be getting so worked up over it as much as thoroughly thinking about how they can get around it.
>>342598180
>You'll notice that they didn't censor Mirage Sessions either
Eh, there was still a slight bit of censoring there. Pretty sure someone could find the garter to pants change.
>>342598046
the cleavage is still there
>>342598298
I took out what was changed like sluts not in bikinis and that wedding dress covering cleavage.
>>342598046
>I already made uncensored version
I bet it's going to be utter shit. No one on 4chan has made anything good.
>>342598298
Changed movies back to jp too so you can see stuff like that anon posted was changed.>>342595681
>>342593245
>>342598369
Then pretend I am not from here.
>>342598182
well, such is the nature of people obsessed over anything - including videogames. Can't run away from them in online.
Hell, I was real damn mad to point of writing letter to NoA, first ever letter of complaint I ever wrote in my life.
And all because term Doll for mechas was changed to Skell in Xenoblade X. I'm still mad.
We all have our quirks.
>>342598369
Embric was good
>>342598426
I actually wrote letter to Nintendo other day about that one cuck on twitter who was talking about changing games for 'better' I saved draft of letter if people wanted to mass send it to get him axed. We need to fight back and take out cucks who ruin translations.
>>342598421
>>342598345
bikini costumes are still there. some costumes were changed but others weren't, and some side stuff like gravure was taken out. the censorship is weirdly selective but they haven't wiped out revealing clothes completely
>>342598426
True but there's also the fact that people rarely try to make a change you know?
If you're going to complain and not do anything it's just the same as shouting at the clouds. You might as well just sit back, pirate the games and let people pay so you get more games to pirate.
It's kind of like Kickstarter in a way, just wait for people to fund it and you eventually get the game anyway.
>>342581317
Fatal Frame V had several character backgrounds raped by Treehouse from their cuckership. That game is as much about the characters as it is the ghosts.
>>342581262
I'll get it used so they don't get my money.
Yeah, that means Gamestop will, but they're the lesser of two evils.
There's plenty of comparison photos online. Personally, I find the changes more confusing than upsetting.
>Cutscene where Tsubasa is in a bikini changes to RADICAL 90'S GIRL costume
>Bikini is still totally in the game for one of her special attacks
>Cutscene introducing a boss has low res black smoke over her chest
>In-game model has the smoke too, but it no longer covers her chest
I'm sure there's more, but the most egregious thing, if the ads and trailers on YouTube are to be believed, is all of the outdated slang they're using to try and emulate "kids today".
>>342598770
>Gamestop
>lesser of two evils
Get it used on Amazon.
>>342598576
I saw some posts on v showing side by side where 3 girls were not wearing bikinis.
>>342596290
Well, it worked back when Mortal Kombat was released. People who only owned the SNES jumped ship and got a Genesis and that version of MK due to Nintendo's Baby-First attitude.
But I doubt we'll have another fiasco like THAT happen anytime soon though.
>>342598530
Dunno, focusing on actually firing people is not something I'd do regardless of how shit they are.
I do want to slap those faggots in the face from time to time tho whenever they say something dumb
>>342598705
I have way too much of a backlog to care THAT much, Xenoblade X was more of an exception. If there are dumb changes, I just wait till pricedrop or skip game entirely. For every change made, there is suitable price for it.
If whole videogame industry will become shit overnight - I still would have enough games to play for my entire life.
>>342598968
cutscenes show whatever the character is currently wearing
>>342598968
Bottom line is for my edit all characters models are from JP . movies from JP , sounds except base sound effects from JP. Its pretty much 80% Jap with 20% being the text and sound effects becuase that caused an error.
>>342598789
There are reviews that confirm it uses lots of weird retro slang, which is probably intentional since Atlus did the loc (unless NoA went through it with an editing pass, which seems pointless if they wanted Atlus to keep it similar to their self-published games), so I'm not really sure why they even did that.
>>342581262
That's not the score the game has - its lower...
Why are Nintendo fans all such liars.
>>342599131
To be fair since that cap was taken it's only gone down by 2.
>>342598801
Gamestop vs Nintendo of America? That's comparing a thief to a child molester.
Yeah, Gamestop is the lesser of the two evils. Still evil, but at least I'm not giving money to a child molester to fondle my nephews balls.
>>342594376
Not getting the games is better than getting a butchered version of the game.
we will still get other games if we don't purchase this but if we do purchase the other localization will also be censored.
They've gotten worse at this at an alarming rate and I really hope NoA dies or changes its policies
>>342599131
Corrupted gaming journalists are purposely giving it high score so they can promote the idea that censoring will lead to high scores. Also, nintendo always get free pass on weebshit. Any other company and they will lower the score by a few points just for having animui artstyle.
>>342599131
the score changes because its a recently released game and people are still reviewing it, retard.
>>342587880
This made me laugh
>>342599013
If Nintendo had parity with the other consoles, in terms of performance and sales, and there was a major multiplat release where content was censored, you can bet your ass people would go somewhere else.
>>342599284
Stop talking shit you retarded faggot
>>342599220
>That's comparing a thief to a child molester.
That thief being on the same tier as Carmen Sandeigo.
In any case don't give either of them money and buy it somewhere else that's even less evil. Hell, buy it on ebay or craigslist from another person.
>>342597219
>>platinum wanted to tone down the lewd Nintendo costumes
>>Nintendo said no
>>they made it over the same lewd state
That's not true at all. Platinum was expecting nintendo to force them to tone it down but to their surprise, nintendo gave them free reign to do whatever they want with Bayonette 2. And that's why Bayonetta 2 wasn't censored or anything.
>>342599420
> Stop talking shit you retarded faggot
nigga, what are you gonna do about it?
>>342587880
comparing sales doesn't tell us anything because the wii u has a tiny userbase
>>342599457
>Platinum was expecting nintendo to force them to tone it down
Dude, they literally wanted to tone it down themselves but Nintendo said ramp that shit up
http://www.siliconera.com/2014/10/24/platinum-games-designed-bayonetta-2s-nintendo-costumes/
>To their surprise, it was actually Nintendo who then suggested to have the design show more of her chest, which really impressed the Platinum designers to hear coming from Nintendo.
>>342597219
>>342599457
That doesn't even matter in this debate because Nintendo and NoA are two completely different things.
Just because Nintendo likes some sexy costumes doesn't mean NoA isn't a complete and irredeemable shithole
>>342581262
That remind me Bravely Default, when I plaid the game, I did'nt know it was censored, and I saw nothing, and still enjoyed a lot the game. It will be the same with #FE, except I already know it's censored. I don't want it for the fanservice, I just want a Atlus JRPG. I still don't have my copy, could probably talk more about it when I'll finally be able to play it.
>>342599897
You do realise NoA let it through untouched right?
>>342590141
>>342590673
Because it's insulting. People who like weebshit are the core (and only) audience for this game, and Treehouse has made extreme changes for the sake of an audience that will not buy this game, leaving its core audience in the dust. Why should I buy a game whose developers insult me like that?
Also, I stopped settling for 4kids 13 years ago. There's no reason why 4kids-tier censorship should exist so long after 4kids has died and been ridiculed to hell and back.
>>342590141
Because it didn't need to happen. Rather than ask "why does it matter" you should ask "why did it have to be taken out"
And usually the answer is that it didn't need to be taken out. It was taken out for Nintendos sake, and not for yours. It's disrespectful to me as a consumer, and I don't like it. There's no reason for me to pay for an inferior game to what the japs got.
>>342599967
The game came over before NoA started their most recent crusade against sexy stuff in videogames.
>>342581262
No, but eventually they'll get bored and move onto some other game they never cared about to bandwagon and whine as censorfags always do. You stop taking them seriously eventually.
>>342600132
So, sometime in the 1990s?
>>342598712
>raped by Treehouse
NoE localized it, and they likely did it due to child pornograpy laws that fucked them over in the past.
>>342600061
>People who like weebshit are the core (and only) audience for this game
You do realise the outfits aren't the only thing that makes this a weeb game right, in fact the general design and tone of the game as a whole still feels extremly weeb. And on top of that there are still people who value the core gameplay over what was censored.
Don't think that doesn't mean they fully accept this however just that they don't see the changes worthy of making a fuss about when it doesn't affect how weeb the game is or the core gameplay. Understand?
>>342600441
>Don't think that doesn't
Fuck I need to sleep
Don't think that means*
>>342595321
>drastically change several outfits, even tame shit like fucking wedding dresses
>go as far as to change 3D models
>drastically change the story of an entire dungeon
>even have the VAs re-record lines to fit the censored narrative
The anger around the localization is more than justified. In fact, people aren't angry enough.
Nah it's a fun game. Most people kicking ajd screaming for you to not play it because you can't see some panties.
Really makes you think y'know.
>>342600061
Treehouse made changes for their own bottom line. They work on a billable hours scheme and invoice Nintendo.
There was no dub to make up the bulk of their invoice so they made up some asset changes
>>342600682
>Really makes you think y'know.
About how much of a cuck you are? No, not really. Takes a fraction of a second.
>>342600350
How the fuck is a 19 year old and 17 year old in bikinis "child pornography?"
They changed it like all the other changes, to remove fanservice. Every change on a Nintendo console since Awakening has been related to swimwear in one way or another, which is the most bizarre thing.
>>342600795
yeah seeing some anime underwear totally makes you not a cuck
>>342600610
I like how you just blow things out of proportion half way through.
For starters the "entire" dungeon is just the end part of it as opposed to the entire thing.
As for the VA's that isn't censorship as much as it actually is legitimate localization to fit what's acceptable in the west.
The rest of your post is valid censorship though
>>342600441
The core audience is one that will care about censorship, especially when the game is targeted to such a small, concentrated group of people.
And there's plenty of games that will offer me good gameplay without spitting in my face like this game has. Why should anybody settle for 4kids in 2016? I can't wait for this game to flop.
>undermeme image
>>>/tumblr/
>>342600441
>>342600530
translation : If you are a shit eating dubfag who likes SAO and Attack on Titan you will like censorship because you have no brains to begin with
>>342600694
Treehouse aren't involved, and any asset changes are carried out by the original developer. Stop spreading this retarded invoice shit.
>>342600869
>How the fuck is a 19 year old and 17 year old in bikinis "child pornography?"
AoC in Europe is 16 for most places but for modelling/pornography etc. you have to be 18. I assume they just changed the older one for consistency sake.
The more you know.
>>342600884
>original dungeon was about gravure modeling and becoming comfortable to show yourself
>change it to some weak "express urself" shit
Nothing is being blown out of proportion
>>342601019
The game is not pornographic so that doesn't mean shit. Age of consent in America is 16-18 depending on state. Still legal to show 10 year old kids in swimwear if you fucking feel like it.
>>342600953
>Treehouse aren't involved
So, saleswise, what do you guys think will happen?
I think it'll just barely break 100k worldwide
>>342601198
who gives a shit it's a wii u game
>>342600610
So blame the SJW mouthpieces that rule the industry, Nintendo gets more shit from them than it does disgruntled weebs. This wouldn't be necessary in the first place if this SJW/PC shit weren't so prevalent. Nintendo will just not make or localize games like this anymore, bitching at them won't solve the problem.
>>342600953
Treehouse is involved, and they are the ones who censored the game. Not Atlus.
You are correct in that everyone repeats this whole "they get paid for every change they make" thing without ever posting a source.
>>342600885
>The core audience is one that will care about censorship
Why is everything so black and white with you people?
I could just rehash my last post and it counters everything you've said here again because you think that if a game has even trace amounts of censorship it's absolutely irredeemable.
>especially when the game is targeted to such a small, concentrated group of people.
How does that change a single thing I said?
The game is still a weeb game.
The gameplay is still exactly the same. At most you're just complaining about cleavage now without taking anything else into account about the game itself.
>And there's plenty of games that will offer me good gameplay without spitting in my face like this game has.
Please,you and I both know that JRPGs are going down the utter shitter with games like SOV and FF7R.
>>342601237
Except those SJW mouthpieces are the ones making the changes at Treehouse
>>342600884
>For starters the "entire" dungeon is just the end part of it as opposed to the entire thing.
It's not. The entire story of the dungeon was changed.
>>342600953
The idea to change the assets isn't from the original developers
>XBX is 84
>TMS is 82
>>342601271
>trace amounts of censorship
Okay buddy
>>342601296
Atlus USA aren't the original developers they're the ones that commonly censor Atlus games.
In this case Nintendo literally just published it.
>>342601385
nice source
>>342601162
>>342601249
Treehouse are not NoA. NoA are the ones who make all decisions, Treehouse just localize shit. Keep being retarded though.
>>342601296
Yes, but they don't get paid for it.
>>342601352
This triggers me. XCX is a masterpiece, miles ahead of this idol garbage.
>>342601425
>Treehouse are not NoA
They literally are. They're NoA's in-house localization team.
Its like trying to argue that EAD isn't a part of nintendo. Their name is even NINTENDO TREEHOUSE for fucks sake.
>>342601424
http://www.siliconera.com/2016/04/22/atlus-will-localize-tokyo-mirage-sessions-fe-north-america/
>>342601385
>In this case Nintendo literally just published it.
That's not what happened and recent AtlusUSA doesn't have such a censorship heavy front like NoA does.
>>342601425
>Yes, but they don't get paid for it.
I never claimed they do, because I never saw a source for that
uncensored iso when
FFS we had a translated uncensored FE Fates package long before the english version released, where's that effort here?
>>342601352
>#FE higher then The Wonderful 101
This is proof that reviewers are being paid off. I've played the game, censorshit aside the game is hilariously mediocre and would never get a fucking 9
>>342601442
>XCX is a masterpiece
I didn't know shit combat, shit story and shit characters were the ingredients to making a masterpiece.
>>342601702
i didn't know your shit opinion was fact
>>342601637
Fates was a game people gave a fuck about
>>342601279
Because that's the safer move. That's what Nintendo thinks will result in the fewest complaints and the least negative financial impact for them as a company overall.
And they're probably right. It's getting good reviews from "journalists" and there isn't much negative press, if any, about how disturbing and mentally compromising it was to play the game due to offensive exposed skin.
If you think it's anything but a business move you're naive. Anything remotely sexual gets blasted by SJWs and lands tons of negative press in places Nintendo is trying to keep a presence, like Facebook and Twitter. It's why they fired Rapp, for example, just too much potential for negative attention in an environment in which they're already struggling to stay relevant. If Nintendo wanted the games uncensored they'd tell Treehouse to do as such and they'd listen.
>>342601271
>if a game has even trace amounts of censorship it's absolutely irredeemable
This is close to the truth, though. We don't tolerate censorship of our books and movies, and we shit on China for being afraid of spooky scary skeletons. Why are videogames the only form of media that's fair ground for heavy censorship?
>How does that change a single thing I said?
Because being such a niche weeb game means that it has an audience that will react strongly against censorship, especially the level of censorship that this game has.
>The gameplay is still exactly the same
The game is more than just gameplay; art and story are also major aspects of it. Both art and story have been massively altered for no apparent reason, which is artistically unforgivable.
>you and I both know that JRPGs are going down the utter shitter
As long as I've got games like Etrian Odyssey, the Kiseki series (which XSEED has pointedly decided to not censor at all), and even shit like Persona 4 Golden and Devil Survivor, I'm fine. Hell, just in the past year there's been an underrated JRPG that has more "triggering" designs than KOWASHITAI ever will, without a lick of censorship and a T rating to boot.
>>342601668
>Nintendo
>paying anyone off
It would take a hell of a lot more than just money to get the reviewers back.
In any case there's a learning curve with W101 and we all know how they feel about learning something new.
>>342601738
It's okay, everyone reading knows you are just butthurt because that's the only reason anyone would defend that trash story and cast of characters LOL EAT TATSU
retarded question inc
So when ppl mention isos and such, do you emulate it or play it off a hacked wiiu?
I dont own a wiiu, so thats not an option
>>342594376
Treehouse please go
>>342601775
SJW don't have nearly as much influence on a companies finances as people think.
The can easily sway the behavior of companies because they're so fucking loud and vocal but most of them didn't even care about these games to begin with.
>>342594376
>None of this is going to change anything.
You aren't getting my $60, or any money from me every again btw Nintendo. Done with you and your shit.
Hope the NX bombs harder than Wii U
>>342601702
>I didn't know shit combat,
No
>shit story
I'll agree the main story was kinda trash but its just a small part of it, the sidequests were well done.
>and shit characters
I'll agree that the main cast (Elma, Lin, Doug, Gwin, Irina) are boring as fucking shit and really bad characters all around. But the side characters like Phog, Frye, Nagi, Murderess, Hope, Yelv, HB, and Boze have interesting arcs in their AMs. Problem is everyone on /v/ just fucking used Elma and Lin in their party even in the side stuff so they never learned anyone elses stories, therefore everyone says the characters in XCX suck but theyre really only talking about Elma and Lin, who actually are pretty bad.
>>342601738
I liked XCX but there's a number of flaws that most users point out about it. There's a lot of experimenting done in it, probably for future games and them working on zelda. They even said they'd fix it in the next one's.
>>342601775
Polygon gave P4: DAN an 8.5, if its about business decisions than Nintendo is even more retarded than I thought.
>>342601958
>No
Yes. Go ahead and pretend the combat is good. I could use a laugh. I'll fall of my chair if you even go so far to defend Skell combat.
> the sidequests were well done.
They were shallow immigration is good racism is bad crap.
>But the side characters like Phog, Frye, Nagi, Murderess, Hope, Yelv, HB, and Boze have interesting arcs in their AMs.
Except they are just as shallow and boring as Elma and Lin. Wow, you find out some shitty tragic backstory about them, hardly interesting and compelling. They don't even go through any character development.
>>342601936
That's why it's what needs to be fixed. We can yell at Nintendo all we want but it's not changing the fact that they're still better off censoring these games than not in the eyes of most consumers. They'll just stop making and localizing games like these altogether, being vocal won't help when the dissenters are even louder and generate lots of negative attention. Even if they're a relatively small group, the bullshit they spout is seen by others and has an impact on public opinion in places like Twitter and over social media that Nintendo is trying to keep a presence in. They see it as a threat to their brands image, they're better off playing it safe.
>>342601779
>We don't tolerate censorship of our books and movies
You say that but books/movies etc have been censored and altered for years. Even the Harry Potter series was Americanized for readers over there and no one batted an eye at it.
Here it's more of a case of specifically picking out video games that are censored and shitting on them just for that.
>Because being such a niche weeb game means that it has an audience that will react strongly against censorship
Again, how does that change the anything?
The audience isn't a hivemind they all place place value on different things within video games including the visuals and story.
>The game is more than just gameplay; art and story are also major aspects of it.
You're missing the point here anon. The game still has extreme amounts of weeb-ness to the poses and reactions the characters make to even calling something a waifu and the core gameplay is the same as it was in the japanese version.
Outside of several japanese related jokes and slang the story is more or less the same.
I understand that you may be attached to the swimsuits and cleavage but you have to understand that not everyone shares your level of dedication to it and most see it as unimportant to the game.
> Hell, just in the past year there's been an underrated JRPG that has more "triggering" designs than KOWASHITAI ever will
And that game is?
>>342602172
And gave Bayo 2 a 7.5 despite flat out saying it was an amazing game because it was "mentally compromising" to look at virtual T&A.
>>342587880
Actually, Kira's outfit is still the same. Maybe it's because i'm European but her shit looks the same.
>>342602172
Looks like they made the right choice.
>>342601958
Elma and Lin aren't even bad characters they just get annoying after some time because you have to use them for every single story quest.
Murderess is also a shit character imo but that's more my personal taste
>>342595298
we are war criminals, were well deserving of it.
>>342602210
What is your problem with the combat?
>They were shallow immigration is good racism is bad crap.
How were the waterplant quests, the Bringer of Miracles, Professor B quests, about racism?
>They don't even go through any character development.
Okay you're just wrong. Replay HBs missions and then come talk to me.
>>342602404
>Elma and Lin aren't even bad characters
One is a mary sue and the other is an extremely tired anime trope where 90% of her dialogue is the same joke told again and again and againand again
>>342594376
People always say this and it's the stupidest argument I've ever fucking heard. If a 126 year old company is too inept to understand why their own product failed then it's their own goddamn fault. Fuck 'em. I'm not so starved for rpgs that I'll buy this on the off chance that the next one isn't as shit.
>>342602404
No, Elma is an absolutely trash character. We know nothing about her motivations forsaving everyoneand her personality is literally just "stoic army lady."
>ITT: It's impossible for a censored game to be good. Even if it is, it's just websites being paid off to inflate scores.
>>342602535
>Okay you're just wrong. Replay HBs missions and then come talk to me.
Okay, so you're just an idiot. HB has the same personality with same goals at the end of his shitty arc. That is the same for ALL of the characters.
>>342600173
>m-muh censorfags
Maximum butthurt obsession. And shitposting.
>>342602352
Give me one significant book or movie series that has been censored in the US in the last decade.
Also, when you dramatically change the story of an entire section of the game, then the story is not the same. I couldn't care less how many obnoxious anime memes is shouted in my face.
>you're just mad that they're taking away your anime tits!
you're mad that anime tits exist in the first place, shit like >>342595681 is indefensible in any way. Why should I settle for censored art?
>>342602687
Censorship is inherently evil and you're a literal cuck for accepting it.
>>342602537
They're still charming outside of the "Tatsu is food"
jokes
>>342602697
He still wants to be leader of BLADE but he isn't willing to let innocents die like he is in his first mission
So, it seems all of data on the English disc is encrypted in some way
Have fun making an uncensor patch
>>342602785
Not either of those anons but you've gone off the deep end now.
>>342602787
Not really. They're just really generic outside of their one-note personalities.
>>342602557
This game likely had low sales projections from start. Not worth the negative press for a game they only expected to sell a few hundred thousand, at most, in the first place. So it gets censored so the SJW mouthpieces don't bitch and potentially ruin the sales the game might actually see and make Nintendo look like they promote something icky and problematic.
Other Japanese devs are coming right out and saying SJW bulkshit is the reason they won't localize their games, Nintendo isn't doing as much but it's obvious this is the cause. Change the environment and the games will change too.
>>342600869
>and 17 year old in bikinis "child pornography?"
This would be the problem then.
http://www.gameinformer.com/b/news/archive/2011/05/22/doa-dimensions-pulled-from-sweden-over-child-pornography-allegations.aspx
>Although the game doesn't contain anything explicitly pornographic, there was some concern that the game's Showcase mode -- which allows players to pose the girls in scantily-clad costumes and then take pictures of them -- could qualify. In any case, Bergsala isn't willing to take the chance, and is also choosing not to release the game in Norway and Denmark as well.
>>342602865
>nobody can get past Nintendo's amazing programmers
Yeah, that's why we can literally steal games from eshop.
>>342603015
IIRC Tsubasa is 18 in the NA version not 17.
I hate censorship, but I honestly want to play it and I will eventually when the price drops abit.
>>342602697
>HB has the same personality with same goals at the end of his shitty arc.
Yes? Character development isn't just making a complete 180.
He learns the value in team mates and that even though it may cost the mission a life is ultimately more important especially when it comes to being stranded on an alien planet.
He also learns that the world isn't and will never be as clean cut as he expects
>>342602865
People got past Denuvo, you really think Nintendo's B-tier programmers are able to stop anything?
>>342603015
I should add that DoA:D came out like 5 years ago, but I doubt that they changed anything within that time frame.
>>342602869
>Anon why arent you eating NoA's diarrhea like everyone else?
>>342603015
>People still think it's some conspiracy at Treehouse/NoA when shit like this makes it plainly obvious they do this stuff for business/regulatory reasons
>>342602687
Though the eyes of a delusional hardcore fanboy it might seem that way. But it's not. You're whiteknighting Treehouse and localization so hard in general that it's blinding you from being objective.
>>342602953
SJW shit has literally never ruined the sales of a game. In fact it boosted it for Dragon's Crown and Senran Kagura. DOAX3 didn't even try to sell in the west but I'm still convinced that was just a big marketing ploy to get weebs to buy it on psn.
Why are Americans so immature that they can't handle something so simple as story about a bikini model?
>>342603082
Good job ensuring censorship continues.
>>342603020
>>342603137
I don't know
maybe it's easy to crack because we can just compare unchanged sound files
>>342602687
I'm sure it's a fantastic game.
But it's just not worth buying if it's been censored. Censorship is never ok.
>>342603227
Nobody wants the audio from the english version, they changed it aswell.
>>342603197
pretty much this, SJW spergs over games gets ppl to outrage buy.
>>342603171
>make a weeb idolshit J-pop fanservice game
>cut the fanservice, piss off the weebs
how is this a good business decision? Hurting the sales of already niche game?
>>342603148
You don't even have an argument you're just going HURR CENSORSHIP!
If you're going to act like censorship is evil like that you might as well drop games entirely because there's an incredibly low chance that games come out as envisioned initially and it's mostly due to outside sources and what not instead of the artists original view. Especially when it comes to western developers who are so scared out of their mind by feminazis and such that they have to pander to them heavily.
>>342603207
oh, stfu. I'll buy it dirtcheap or 2nd hand if that makes you happy
>>342603171
Having a girl in a bikini in your game won't affect anything you dumb shitposter
I never get why people would waste money and time for a censored game
It's like playing early access while knowing the game will never be finished
>>342603330
>>make a weeb idolshit J-pop fanservice game
Because the fanservice wasn't all the game was about maybe?
Seriously do you lot just thing that it was 90% of the game or something?
>>342603207
They'll just not localize the games anymore if they don't sell. Tell SJWs to fuck off and there won't be any need for censorship, yelling at Nintendo won't solve the problem. They're stil going to get bitched at by tumblrwhales on Twitter when they don't censor the shit out of everything, and believe it or not the. millions of normal people they're trying to sell games to see all the shit SJWs spew all over social media.
>>342603346
>if you won't eat Treehouse's shit you might aswell stop playing games entirely!!
You are irrelevant Nintendo.
>>342603446
>buy idolshit game
>act like you're morally superior because it doesn't have fanservice
Do you read hentai for the plot too?
>>342603346
Except there's plenty of games that don't do that. The Etrian Odyssey series is better than TMS can even hope to be and it's not censored at all despite having designs like pic related. And there's a big difference between things changing during development and localizers (who aren't even the content creators) deciding what is and what isn't okay for their audience to see when there's already a version of the game with everything intact.
There is simply no reason to ever settle for censorship in today's day and age
>>342603482
This isn't even about Nintendo anymore anon.
I guarantee you have a game in your collection that you've paid for that would fall under your definition of censorship regardless of company.
>>342587752
>Let me use 30 pictures to present my issue, that will make it seem more grave!
>>342603287
That's not what I meant, not all sound files have been changed, but we can figure out the encryption scheme by looking at the original unencrypted Japanese file and comparing it to the same file on the English disc
>>342603416
It's because they cut nothing i actually care about.
If they had cut actual content, sure, but some fucking costumes i wouldn't ever use? Whatever.
>>342603582
>This isn't even about Nintendo anymore anon.
Of course it is not matter how hard you try to change the subject Nintendrone.
Meanwhile at Namco
>>342603330
>Don't censor and potentially see lots of negative press that affects the brand as a whole, again, in a market in which they are already struggling
>Over a niche game with likely very low sales expectations in the first place
Less risk involved to just censor, they likely didn't think the game would sell well in the first place so it wasn't worth the potential controversy. Doesn't always amount to some agenda-pushing conspiracy, or at least not on their part.
>95 from Polygon
The game isn't bad by any means, I give it 8/10 but I get the feeling Polygon is only giving it that massive of a score because of the censorships and they want to circlejerk with NoA.
>>342603690
>>Don't censor and potentially see lots of negative press that affects the brand as a whole, again, in a market in which they are already struggling
why do they fucking care? The people who actually buy nintendo's games don't give two shits about what these people have to say.
>>342603660
/v/ told me the tale games are shit, Is there any truth to that
>>342603660
We need more developers/publishers that have the balls to actually do stuff for the audience that buys their games and not some assholes on twitter
>>342603660
Bamco is pretty good lately, too bad God Eater doesn't have dual audio tho
>>342603748
It'S a long running series of course there will be shit games in it.
Is every Tales game shit? No
>>342603748
Better than the crap Atlus puts out
>>342603578
>There is simply no reason to ever settle for censorship in today's day and age
You are aware that there's more censorship nowadays than there was in the past right? The worst part is that they outright don't tell you anymore because there's no controversy surrounding it.
No matter how you look at it censorship has been ingrained in our society. I'm pretty sure even you own several games that have been censored without your knowing either during development or during localization.
>>342603748
Depends on the game. Like any series, some are better than others. Tales of Zestria was bad, though. Not unplayably so, but not as good as most entries in the series.
>>342601779
>We don't tolerate censorship of our books and movies
While books are rarely censored nowadays, it happens in movies all the fucking time. Why do you think directors and unrated versions exist? It's not just to add extra scenes, often times they restore content that would have pushed the rating too high for what they wanted in theaters. This is without mentioning how foreign films can often be altered when brought to the US because (Euro films especially) they have subject matter that is "distasteful." Although it isn't as prevalent today in the case of foreign films because you can just get fansubs or use official subs with a foreign BD, certainly domestic movies are censored extremely often.
>Just started Cold Steel
>Forgot this was coming out
Shit.
>>342603778
>Believing NoA censored this because of SJW's.
Holy shit /v/ is retarded. NoA censors games because unlike in Japan NoA has postured Nintendo as a complete family friendly video game company only for children to enjoy, so when games that aren't for children come along it needs to be censored in case little Jimmy picks up the game and sees a bikini clad woman in an M rated horror game(that he for sure won't pick up because kids aren't interested in that type of game). NoA doesn't give a shit about anyone over 10, they certainly don't care about people on twitter.
Neogaf is the only one praising NoA for this, but that's because they're a bunch of racists who think everything Japan does is "creepy" and that everything they make should conform to western standards because apparently the concept of different cultures is lost on them,
>>342603745
>Why does a family-friendly company care about potential negative press regarding sexual content in a "kids game"
They pushed the sexual content hard with Bayonetta, and look how many favors it did them and how many consoles it moved. Zero. They got lots of flak for it and despite otherwise being critically acclaimed the game didn't sell particularly well. Nintendo is a business, these decisions are made for financial reasons. If the suits tell treehouse to censor, they censor, if they tell them hands off, then it's hands off. They are responding to what plenty of other Japanese developers are responding to, a western market that is unreasonably afraid of sexual content. Nintendo cares because it means money to them.
>>342599967
That really only happened because Platinum handled all the localization themselves like they do with every game they make.
>>342600061
>I get mad when anime tiddies are censored, but I don't care about anything else.
Did you defend star ocean 5's censorship?
Did you defend Persona 5's censorship?
Did you defend Senran Kagura's censorship?
Did you not care about azure gunvolt's censorship?
fuck off, retard.
>>342604072
>That really only happened because Platinum handled all the localization themselves like they do with every game they make.
Don't talk about things you don't understand anon.
Also remember that NoA themselves chose playboy to promote Bayo.
>>342604131
da fuck was censored in p5?
