What are some great WRPGs ?
>great
>WRPGs
just started on this yesterday. It'sbretty gud
>>342522410
Arcanum would be in top 3 easily if its combat was poorly put together. It feels like someone slapped both systems in the last two weeks or something. People obsessing over balance in games nowadays would have a heart attack from playing Arcanum.
>>342522631
kys weeaboo faglord
>>342522631
>posts trashcan
>thinks his opinions are valid
Gothic 2
>>342522631
Kill yourself
Mass Effect 3
Fallout 4
Skyrim
FarCry 3
World of Warcraft
>>342524642
Todd pls go.
>>342522410
>>342523573
>>342524450
>Fallout 2, PST, Gothic 2
Thread is done, the best ones are already posted.
Child of Light
Witcher 3
>>342522631
Jrpgs do have better turn based combat,
>>342524326
holy fuck, this game was comfy.
>>342523956
I love that it isn't balanced. I mean, combat itself is clunky at best, but I utterly adore the fact that magic is fucking powerful and a muscle dude would just lose in most situations.
>>342527183
image for ants
>>342526381
>still trying
Fuck off weebboy, nobody likes your kind here
>Noone mentions Ultima series
>Noone mentions M&M series
>No wizardry in sight
>Most of the people here haven't heard of "Albion"
>People didn't know shit about hidden gems like Star Trail, because all they know is interplay/bioware[/spoiler[
>>342527438
>M&M
>Wizardry
I'm glad these shitty fucking games are dead and forgotten, what a dreadful experience that was
Elder scroll series is my favorite. I played Morrowing like 6 years ago. It was really good but not as good as Skyrim and Oblivion.
>>342527438
Are you german?
>>342527438
>Albion
Fuck that game was good. But fuck was it hard. Playing it as a 7 year old chump was quite the experience. Dem alien boobies.
>>342526381
Than what?
>>342527629
>M&M
>shit
Just pick one. Just try to replay MMVI/VII and tell me they were bad.
>>342527858
Nope, but Germans made some neat games back thenAnyone fancy incubation? That game was a great rpg/strategy mix
>>342526921
>I love that it isn't balanced
It's inbalanced in a shitty way though since guns are by far the weakest option in the game while tech should rival magick.
Not to mention tech enemies are VERY rare and the more tech affanity enemy has the more resistant to magick he is, up to complete immunity.
>>342522631
>it's the "anime poster shows his lack of intelligence" episode
Well color me surprised.
Anyone knows the process of joining a faction in Gothic 2?
In Gothic 1 it was possible and encouraged to do basically everything sans 1-2 quests for all camps before sealing the deal with one of them and then continuing with the main quest that was exactly the same regardless of your faction, but I have a suspicion this is not how it works this time.
So what locks out me of what? If I start the process of becoming a citizen of Khorinis, will that lock me out of joining up with the Fire Mages? What's the point of no return with a faction?
Also, is the way of leveling weapon skills complete bullshit or what?
>>342522410
>What are some great WRPGs
>WRPGs
>Great
Nigga, how the FUCK do i answer this question?!
>>342528550
>first time playing
>pick a tech guy since I will be immune to magic
>turns out I am immune to heal spells aswell
That's how I knew this game is allright.
>>342522410
>>342528674
>anime shitposter gets all those (You)'s with obvious bait
And he's the retard?
>>342528692
It works in the same way as in Gothic 1, do all the entry side quests first.
>So what locks out me of what?
You will get a warning (in the form of yes/no choice) before joining a faction.
>If I start the process of becoming a citizen of Khorinis, will that lock me out of joining up with the Fire Mages?
No, being a citizen is not a faction in itself, it's only one of the possible ways to join the city guard and access upper quarter.
>What's the point of no return with a faction?
You are free to do all the quests and you won't join a faction before you ask for it yourself.
>>342528740
>die
>companion casts resurrection on you
>>342524326
>>342526845
What game is it?
>>342528924
Are you implying that attention whoring is not retarded?
Are you perhaps retarded yourself?
>>342528853
>Lionheart
>Risen 2
>shit tier
They weren't top tier, but I will never call them shit. And I actually liked Risen 2, it was pretty comfy.
>>342528740
>tfw Virgil is bro tier but he can't understand that I'm fucking immune to his helaing spells and regulary knocks himself out trying to heal me
>tfw no face
>>342529237
Little Inferno
>>342529228
It's a great design. Commit to it or don't do it at all. No handholding, no excuses.
>>342529237
Little Inferno.
>>342529237
Little Inferno, you just burn stuff in your fireplace (sometimes in a creative way).
>>342529503
tech guys like the faggot dwarf can use the tech craft item that resurrect
>>342529228
>die
>companion uses your superior technology
>>342522410
Fallout 1 & 2, New Vegas
Gothic 1better than 2fite me, nerds
Baldur's Gate 1 & 2
Icewind Dale 1not a big fan of 2
Planescape: Torment
Vampire: The Masquerade - Bloodlines
Deus Ex
>>342529702
You can even buy it in most herbalist stores.
Which is kinda retarded given it's supposed to be forgotten tech but whatever.
>>342528853
>Fallout 3
>Low Tier
>Not High tier
fuck off
>>342522410
>>342523573
>>342523956
>>342524450
>>342525240
>>342526381
>>342527438
>>342528692
>>342528701
>>342528853
>>342529707
Bait, Oblivion is objectively the best RPG ever made, no competition.
>>342529981
I was thinking the same, until I replayed it couple weeks ago. Writing is abysmal and game is overall clunky. It's a shit game mate.
If any of you didn't play Underrail yet, you should.
>>342530051
>>342529165
Ah, thank god. I was getting worried I would have to make the trek to wherever the fuck the mages are before getting to do any side quests. Thank you, anon.
The weapon thing is genuinely pissing me off though. Linking one-handed and two-handed? What's the fucking point? This is about as jewish as asking 5 skill points for a hunting skill.
Fuck you, Xardas. I should never have brought that barrier down.
>>342529275
No, I'm saying you're a retard for giving him any attention.
>>342529981
fuck off, todd
>>342530387
>Kike thinks money will change anything
Go back to your pretentious pseudo-intellectual text simulators and vapid weebshit.
>>342530520
>Linking one-handed and two-handed? What's the fucking point?Immersionand it would be too cheap otherwise.
>This is about as jewish as asking 5 skill points for a hunting skill
Most hunting skill actually cost 1-3 points, only skinning is that expensive.
http://www.rpgcodex.net/content.php?id=9453
>>342530638
>he genuinely thinks Oblivion is a good game
Dark souls, demon souls, bloodborne, darksiders, etc
>>342530829
You must think you're a funny guy.You're not.
>>342522410
Witcher series is the only answer
>>342531125
It's a good action RPG but the roleplaying aspect of Witcher is actually pretty poor.
>>342530804
It's the best game
>>342530829
>>342531125
Not RPG's
>>342530804
>he didn't like oblivion
ow_the_edge.jpg
>>342531125
Is Poland considered west?
>>342531302
any first world country west of the prime meridian is "west"
>>342531284
>I don't know what edgy means and use it to mean whatever I want. Even if I did I'm comfortable using a FJ-tier meme like 'ow the edge'
Consider topping yourself
Alpha Protocol
>>342531302
It's center, unless you consider everything west of Russia to be west.
>>342531386
>Poland
>first world
Czarnuchu co ty pierdolisz?
>>342531386
wait i'm dumb
i mean west of russia, this is what i get for being american and trying to act smart
>>342531283
You have poor, uninformed tastes
>>342531440
>where do you live?
>on the edge
>>342530740
>Immersion
What's immersive about having to master two types of swords at the same time? I'm pretty sure most fighters rarely if ever switched between the two.
>and it would be too cheap otherwise
Yeah, I can accept this. I suppose it was a bit too much that you could max out strength and one-handed in the first game by the time you hit level 13.
So what's the recommended strength/weapon for a mage? I have my one-handed at 30 now, and was flirting with the idea of getting it at least one more level higher since it still feels quite slow and clunky, but maybe it would be too big of an investment. For strength I guess I'll have to rely mostly on potions and such.
>Most hunting skill actually cost 1-3 points, only skinning is that expensive
That's better, I guess. Still, I think I'm skipping crafting skills altogether this time around. I amassed an ungodly amount of ore in Gothic 1and spent it all on skelly army scrolls fuck yeah, but money doesn't feel like such a rare resource here.
>>342531302
The Berlin Wall fall 27 years ago now anon, of course it's west
>>342532178
>What's immersive about having to master two types of swords at the same time?
The fact that both are connected with each other.
>I'm pretty sure most fighters rarely if ever switched between the two
You would be wrong then.
And it's not really
>you have to learn both fighting styles
It's more like
>mastering this fighting style will be harder from now, but you will learn the fundamentals of the other one in the process
>>342532178
>So what's the recommended strength/weapon for a mage?
No STR- go DEX, use DEX weapons and learn how to steal/pick locks.
1-handed, 30 is more than enough.
> Still, I think I'm skipping crafting skills altogether this time around
Not an option if you are planning to be a mage, you will need components to craft runes.
>>342531543
From playing most of the games mentioned (except Gothic 1) I can say my tastes are beyond informed and should be treated with respect.
>>342532506
I'll take your word for it, then.
>mastering this fighting style will be harder from now, but you will learn the fundamentals of the other one in the process
When you put it this way it definitely does sound better.
>>342532868
>DEXBut rapiers are gay.Alright, fine. If I'll get more out of DEX then so be it. I don't want to fully give up on melee combat, I like it too much. But does the damage bonus derive from DEX too? That doesn't sound right.
>you will need components to craft runes
Wait, by that you mean I'll need to invest in rune crafting and hunting, or just rune crafting?
I'm getting confused here. What's the level cap? In G1 it took something like 140 skill points to get to sixth circle, and an additional 100 to max mana (which really wasn't all that necessary). That's 24 levels worth of points at the minimum. Then comes to it some combat and crafting, which would be at least an additional 5-6 levels if not more. And then lockpicking on top of it?
>>342530051
Are you false flagging as a Oblivion fan in order to make them look more obnoxious then they already are ?
Should I get underrail or wastelands for my post apocalyptic srpg? I'm currently playing NWN and I'm fucking sure after I finish playing with that I'm going to burned out with knights and magic
>>342528692
>Night of the Raven
Dont you fucking play it before beating vanilla Gothic 2, it will rip your pristine butthole in a million pieces
>>342530051
Oblivion is an okay RPG and a great game.
Level Scaling is virtually its only problem but oh boy what a problem.
Morrowind is a great RPG and a shit game. It might as well be a table top game tbqh. It feels extremely dated even by the standards of its time.
>>342534219
>But rapiers are gay
Master sword is pretty sweet. You can get pic related, too.
> But does the damage bonus derive from DEX too? That doesn't sound right
No, damage is still derived from STR, but DEX weapons have naturally high base damage to make up for that.
This is really up to you. Going STR will obviusly make you a better fighter overall, but imo DEX has more benefits for a mage while providing just enough in terms of melee. Your choice.
>Wait, by that you mean I'll need to invest in rune crafting and hunting, or just rune crafting?
In G2 you generally need to learn how to craft a rune to get it (with some rare exceptions) and most runes require ingredients you get from monsters (like fire lizards tongue for rain of fire etc.)
You can find a lot of those componets without hunting skills, but that would require a lot of meta to pull off and you still won't find all of them. You should invest in hunting skills.
>What's the level cap?
60, but realistically you will get to 40-50 only. I couldn't go beyond 52 even when I killed and beaten up literally everything.
Mages are pretty skill point heavy but you should be fine. Don't raise your mana before you become a Mage (it will be cheaper once you become one), save +stat items for higher levels and you should be fine.
>>342536463
Underrail if you are looking for what Fallout 3 should have been.
Wasteland is different, think post-apo Icewind Dale .
>>342536664
forgot pic.
>>342536836But does it has waifus?and I haven't tried fo3 yet
>>342534219
Going DEX basically means that you won't ever defeat skellies/trolls and pallies in case you'd want to wipe out Khorinis.
>>342537110
Neither does have waifus if you ask me.
>I haven't tried fo3 yet
Well did you try Fallout 1/2? Underrail is very similiar but with a little more focus on combat and different builds.
>>342537367
I've played 1 and 2 that's why I'm interested in UR
>>342537165
We are talking about a mage.
Sword is supposed to take care of lowly trash that isn't worthy of wasting mana on and for beating people up. He can take care of trolls and skellies by summoning a bunch of his own skellies later on.
>>342537467
Well as I said, it's very similiar but with less diplomatic options and more (and better) combat.
Imo strongest points of Underrail are exploration, trying different combat builds to fuck shit up in many different ways and world building. The devs is a cool guy, too.
Oblivion is a level scaled turd and the original babbys first TES
I honestly think Wasteland 2 is pretty damn terrible. I'm enjoying this new wave of modern crpgs, but Wasteland has so many bad design decision, mechanics that just aren't fun, and so on. A pity, the world is interesting, but I couldn't even be bothered to play the game for more than a couple of hours during the recent free weekend.
>>342531481
Tbh it's just slightly below UK tier
Minus london, too
>>342537757
>less diplomatic
So being a dickass thief is not going to be fun at all?
>>342531245
are you one of the retards that thinks roleplaying means character selection options?
>>342537873
It was made for people who liked the first Wasteland.
It's a niche within a niche.
>>342522410am I doing it right?
>>342538025
Roleplaying means just that, roleplaying.
Geralt has a very defined personality and while you can affect some of his decisions, you can only do so to a limited degree.
>>342537786
t. Morrowind fag
It had its flaws but it was still a great game. Sorta like how morrowind had flaws and people still like it.
Also Oblivion had objectively better quests.
>>342538216
so yeah you're retarded, please proceed
>>342537961
Nah, you can be a dickass thief if you want.
The game has a very nice stealth system and an experience system that relies on exploration rather than combat, so you are free to steal shit and be a dick.
Just be prepared to fight from time ot time.
>>342538041
The first Wasteland was nothing like Wasteland 2, though. Wasteland 2 is more like a shit version of Fallout Tactics, which is already a game I didn't like because why the FUCK am I playing this when I could be playing Jagged Alliance 2?
>>342538216
few games give you even close to the number of choices in TW and
>Roleplaying means just that, roleplaying.
Wiz8, JA2 1.13, Darklands, Realms of Arkania
>>342536503
>Level Scaling is virtually its only problem but oh boy what a problem.
Well that, the faces, the auto-battle system that will kill random NPCs including traveling master trainers if they walk across about any encampent, over abundance of essential characters, the psychic guards, and horse armor.
>>342538441
That's some nice arguments you got there, it's almost as if you know I'm right.
You can't roleplay beyond the limitations set by the Geralts personality.
>>342538639
>few games give you even close to the number of choices in TW
I don't think you played a lot of cRPGs in your life.
>>342523956
Arcanum's combat is so fucking bad that it ruined the game for me.
>>342538329
DB questline was great, apart from that its nothing special and the whole game is fucked up by scaling.
Morrowind has dog shit combat even if you actually want dicerolls but still is a better open world sandbox.
>>342522410
Divinity: Original Sin. Hands down the best WRPG I've played in over a decade.
>>342537367
>underrail
Sorry I have played metro already. I am honestly surprised the guy who made this wasn't sued for blatantly ripping it off.
>>342538097
>Septerra Core
My brother, this was a great game.
>>342539193
They are hardly alike.
Metro 2033, while based on a book, was released in 2010. Underrail development began in 2009.
3/10 tho, keep trying.
>>342538867
PST, Arcanum and Fallout are some of the games with more choices but I don't feel like arguing, whatever
impale an innocent peasant or let him go and give him some gold same shit right
>>342538097
Muh nigga
>>342538816
good taste
>>342539492
I'm not saying Witcher is not an RPG series, I'm just saying it does have limited roleplaying options given that Geralt has a defined personality.
This is not necessarily a bad thing. Different strokes for different folks.
>>342539428
>while based on a book
Yeah a book about people who escaped into the subway to escape the poisoned earth and are now forming different factions fighting for control of the metro station city states
He literally stole the fucking back story to Metro and slapped on a blank slate character and fallout gameplay. Its okay to like the game but don't pretend it isn't blatant fucking plagiarism.
>>342536481
Too late. My butthole will have to endure. Besides, it's cool to see some water mages.
The strange thing though is that Cavalorn is clearly a NoTR character, set he provides you training and a weapon that shits on everything else you can find and equip in the beginning. I wasn't killing wolves and bloodflies at level 1 in G1. Did they do this to lure the player into a false sense of security before the rapefest begins?
>>342536664
So what are the benefits DEX provides for mages? Better weapon selection? More +stat effects? Or just a lower barrier of entry for usefulness?
>rune crafting
Ah, I see. Thanks for the warning, there is a good chance I would have fucked up my build then. Guess I can dedicate a level or two for hunting if that's the case. Shame I already killed most wolves around Khorinis.
What about alchemy? Do you still find stat raising potions, or do they mostly come from crafting now? I already found 1-5 of every single plant mentioned as perma-stat boosting in the book that lists them, but I don't know how much you need of each to craft a single potion, so yeah. I can't judge whether it's worth the investment.
>60, but realistically you will get to 40-50 only
Hot damn, that's a lot. A lot more than what I expected. That explains a lot about the skill requirements.
>it will be cheaper once you become one
Well, that's new. Certainly good to know.
So can I assume the other two attributes will get more expensive after that point? What about combat skills?
Thanks for the help. It's good to get some useful advice on this game since I'm mostly working on my experiences with the first game, but many of my expectations seem to be wrong. And that's possibly even more dangerous than going in completely blind.
>>342537165
That's definitely a thing to consider, although as >>342537535 said summoning might be a solution. But that means I won't be wiping out Khorinis in the first chapter at least. Shame this game doesn't have estocs.
>>342539970
Do you realize almost everything made rips off something else?
>>342539970
You realize that majority of the Underrail doesn't take place in a metro system right?
Only Upper Underrail is a metro system and it's tiny as fuck. Whole Lower Underrail is a huge bunker made after the apocalypse. Not counting the whole cave system.
Metro 2033 takes place years after nukes while Underrail is set so long after whatever caused the end of the world that majority of the people don't even know there was any apocalypse to begin with.
There is literally no faction conflict at the time while you play Underrail (except fro maybe Free Drones and Protectorate, but this is an anarchism vs statism kind of deal).
It's set right after a revolution that overthrew a scientific goverment that was conducting a shit ton of experiments all over the place. This is literally nothing like Metro 2033.
People going to the subway to survive the apocalypse is not something Metro 2033 invented, you are just being retarded.
What about Wastedland 2? Opinions? Anyone?
>>342527438
>Ultima
My nigga
>>342540548
>everything is a rip off so its okay to plagiarize someone's work
Grade A argument there champ. But unfortunately its still illegal and immoral to steal other's work
>>342528853
>Ultima 7 & Serp Isle on god tier
MY NIGGA
>>342540876
Not him, but this is a non-issue as Metro and Underrail are about as alike as Metro and Fallout. That is to say the only thing in common is that they are both post-apocalyptic.
The metro system in Underrail is not just a regular metro system. It was built specifically for life deep underground.
And all signs point to the apocalypse not being related to nuclear warfare in any way. Nukes and radiation are basically irrelevant in this setting.
>>342540131
>So what are the benefits DEX provides for mages?
Lower skill requirements for weapons with high base damage which is benefical if melee is just a backup you are not going to invest heavily in.
Also if you are playing NoTR most DEX weapons give bonuses to your 1-handed weapon skill, saving even more points.
It also provides additional benefits like better stealing and lockpicking.
>What about alchemy? Do you still find stat raising potions, or do they mostly come from crafting now?
You will quite a few of them but you can craft even more of them. Suffice to say that you should learn how to craft + perma mana potions, it will pay off.
Don't use those perma mana potions until each sinlge point of mana costs 3-4 skill points though, it would be a huge waste to use them early.
I suppose you can eat all other +perma stat plants as you wont have enough king sorrels to make potions out of them too.
>So can I assume the other two attributes will get more expensive after that point? What about combat skills?
All of it will cost more. Once you become a mage it will be all about mana and runes.
You won't become a mage right after joining the monastery though, you will be an Initiate first.
Also, eating a fuck ton of mud mushrooms will give you +perma mana points once you eat enough of them.
Similary, you will gain +1 STR for every 20 or so apples you eat, up to +5.
>>342528853
>kotor and kotor II on the same level
>>342540876
You know that Fallout is a rip-off of Wasteland which is a rip-off of Mad Max which is a rip-off of A Boy and His Dog which is probably a rip-off of something else as well, right?
>>342528853
VtM shouldn't be in god tier.
How shit is KOTOR on tablets, famiglia?
>>342522410
Alpha protocol is nice.
>>342524642
Fuck off to reddit faggot.
>>342528853
Where is System Shock 1?
>>342541584
To be fair thief skills are not really my thing. Lockpicking can come in handy, but if it haven't changed since the first game that doesn't require any skill investment. And even if it does, wouldn't just trial and erroring your way through picking locks until you have the correct combination be enough? In G1 I was never tempted to waste any points on it when it was essentially just a memory minigame.And my moralfaggotry stops me from stealing.Beating them up and taking their shit is better.
Also, I've just read somewhere that high DEX unlocks acrobatics. If that's true then this is a no-brainer.
So if I go with DEX, how much of it should I get through pure skill point investment?
>you should learn how to craft + perma mana potions
So runes, hunting, and alchemy. There goes my plan to not invest in crafting. But since it seems I'll have to be a purer mage build this time I don't have much of a choice.
>I suppose you can eat all other +perma stat plants as you wont have enough king sorrels to make potions out of them too.
So I guess I should just use up all STR and DEX potions right away too, right? Not much point in conserving them if it's unlikely that I'll raise them some other way later.
>All of it will cost more.
So I should hold a training camp before joining proper. Got it.
>mudshrooms
>apples
That's fucking awesome. Hoarding food beside fried chicken finally has some use.
>>342543667
Yes it should the atmosphere,voice acting and quests in that game make it great even if it lacks choices and has mediocre combat.
>Still haven't beaten Underrail
>Pure Mind Control build
>At the part where I have to take on those fucking robots in the power station
Fuck, I need more of the story
>No explanation for what the leviathans are
>No explanation for just about anything you see in the crystals
>>342544816
So none of the things important for a RPG, gotcha.
>>342544973
THE CUBE
THE FUCKING CUBE
WHAT IS IT
STOP WITH THE COCK TEASE
TELL ME ALREADY HOLY SHIT
>>342545119
Atmosphere and quests are essential for any rpg though.
Doesn't matter how good the combat is you'll get bored of it also there are rpgs without choices.
>>342522410
Anything released before 2010.
After that the WRPG genre went full casual.
>>342545516
This is unfortunately true.
>>342523956
>>342538908
Arcanum's combat is decent, just don't play it real time
>>342545308
Power source. Looking at how the game leaves you at the end, I don't think what it is is important, rather that Tchort thought it was something worth its time.
Actual spoiler:>Tanner implied to be behind the ambush where the cube was stolen in the first place
>Possibly to create a diversion? Or get the Tchortists and Faceless to wipe each other out?
I really hope all that shit is explained though, hell, after all the "Tchort is Evolution" bullshit the Faceless outright tell you plainly that Tchortwas came out of the mutagen vats after they tossed the scientists that made them into it during their revolt
>>342527429
That's not true. Most of people here ackowledge that the Japanese make in general better games.
I think you should go back to gamefaqs, neogaf or wherever you came from.
Might as well ask in this thread:
I'm going for a luck build in my next Fallout 2 playthrough. Any tips for stats? How big of a difference is 10 luck to, let's say, 8 luck?
Jinxed is obvious. I'm thinking Finesse for the other trait to capitalize on my high luck.
Skills will most likely be the tried and true small guns, speech and lock pick.
>>342545759
You can't know these things without polls.
>>342528853
>Darklands
>God tier
Fuckin right it is. I remember my brother upgraded our computer just so we could play it.
>>342545741
It's a power source alright, but it's a lot more than that. The thing has fucking signs on it standing for event horizon/singularity. It's not like Six keeps irrelevant information from you, when he does it it's because he believes it would be detrimental to you or at least more important future events for whatever reason.I don't know. He was behind it getting stolen, and it is implied he was behind the earthquake. He also used up ungodly amounts of energy for his operations. But the Acid Hunters were probably just an unfortunate coincidence.Diversion sounds about right. The earthquake happened on the very night you got admitted to SGS. So that much was almost certainly intentional. If I had to guess I'd say the plan was to create an excuse for training you, and he would have sent you to pick up the cube while everyone was still distracted by the Faceless. But as for the rest? I'm not sure. It would make sense if his keikaku was to get Six eaten by Tchort. But he was the one who sent you, he should have seen how that event would play out. He is like Six in this sense, despite pretending to be a human he has a tendency to talk about events and outcomes. I didn't even notice it until my second playthrough. So I don't know. It' almost like he wanted you to meet Six.Maybe you areA BOMB.
Well, the Faceless outright explain the reason behind the lie too.Eidein wanted power, Tchort wanted to eat. It was a mutually beneficial cooperation. The Faceless also outright tell you that whatever Eidein's reasons were, Tchortism was a good thing for Underrail's population, because the community it created wanted to do the right thing. The only problem is that it was based on lies and unattainable goals.
>>342528169
Than wrpgs.
