>makes RTS game
>dominates the entire RTS genre
>makes hack'n'slash game
>dominates the entire hack'n'slash genre
>makes MMORPG
>dominates the entire MMORPG genre
>makes card game
>dominates the entire card game genre
>makes class based FPS
>???
Seriously, is there anything Blizzard can't do?
Nostcucks please stay out of thread
>makes hack'n'slash game
>dominates the entire hack'n'slash genre
Thanks to Blizzard North
consistently stay relevant with one thing
>>342448273
>makes MOBA
>oh
>>342448273
>Makes MOBA
?????
Uhhh Blizztards?
>>342448569
>>342448516
Literally their only mistake
HotS is a great game but it doesn't attract the MOBA playerbase because it's not as easy as League of Shitters
>>342448693
>not as easy
alright.... what kind of fucking competitive game --- a moba at that bases it's gameplay without purchasable attribute bonus items?
>>342448273
>dominates the entire card game genre
Wrong
We used to play Yugioh all the time in school so much they banned it
I go back to my old school and those kids are still playing Yugioh, but only the cool kids.... The basic children play Uno
>>342448273
>Seriously, is there anything Blizzard can't do?
Admit their mistakes
>>342448693
>HotS a great game
>HotS not being easier than anything
This is the face of Overwatch's fan base.
Delusional Autists.
OW is already falling behind sharply. It's practically a non-Nintendo Splatoon.
ie. A shooter that only drones care about that starts off big but fizzles out not long after.
OW won't last two more months as far as to top ten most played or watched games.
>>342448273
>is there anything Blizzard can't do?
Make a good game after 2002 that doesn't need to be propped up by scandalous-tier marketing.
chinafilminsider.com/china-box-office-warcraft-ticket-sales-come-scrutiny
Their last 2 games were shit.
>>342448854
He obviously means video game based CCG.
>>342448854
>I go back to my old school
Literally a fucking pedophile.
>those kids are still playing Yugioh
I'm sure if Hearthstone had a cartoon they could watch in the morning while they eat cereal it'd be just as popular.
>being this delusional about MtG's influence post middle-school.
>>342448986
Do you use that much buzzwords irl too Anon ?
>>342448273
Write a compelling and coherent story.
They trip over their own lore with each new release.
>>342448273
Beats me, their last good game was brood war. Arguably wc3.
People just like to eat shit.
>>342448273
I think you're missing something here:
>>Makes RTS games pre 2008 (SC1, WAR1,2,3) Dominates genre
>>Makes RTS games POST 2008
>>SC2, Kills the genre.
>>Makes MMOs pre-2008
>>Domiantes the genre.
>>Makes MMOs post-2008
>>kills the genre.
>>Makes ARPGs Pre-2008 (Dominates the genre),
>>Makes ARPGs post 2008, fails miserably and then gets destroyed by POE indie devs
>>Makes Card game post 2008,
>>Does okay, it's basically the only contender apart from that old magic game.
>>Makes class based FPS post 2008
>>Everyone forgets about it in a month, except for porn.
Hearthstone is a fine game, but totally different from other card games. Hearthstone trades the social interaction and complexity of tabletop card games for simplicity and online capabilities. Hearthstone might have the most twitch streamers of all card games, but doesn't have nearly as many players or influence around the world as other card games.
>>342448273
SC2 is still probably the top dog RTS, but the entire genre has been in a horrible decline.
People who blame WoW for the current state of MMOs are fags, just as Warcraft is doing to itself every one of their MMOs killed themselves.
Hearthstone is easily the #1 online CG, a market which everyone else did a piss poor job of trying to enter. The secret to making a successful online card game was the same one needed to make a successful online DND game (aka an MMO): Streamline the fuck out of the interface and make things as smooth as possible. I'm not a big fan of this game but so much of it was handled well it's hard not give praise, pretty sure it's Blizzard's main cashcow now.
Diablo 3 and HotS have been stinkers. D3 has somewhat redeemed itself but even RoS hasn't been able to fully restore people's faith in the franchise after the trainwreck of vanilla. HotS performs well enough it seems, but I wonder if it will receive much support 2-3 years from now.
Overwatch is doing well, but hasn't been that explosive. Unless something crazy happens CS:GO will continue to be the #1 FPS.
The future of Blizzard seems interesting. They have several franchises now and seem eager to continue their growth, but their actions make me think that they're not entirely certain on how to progress. I think we'll see more experimentation from them coming here soon, with WoW Legacy servers probably being next on their agenda.
Alright, I'll bite. Just know in advance that I was a hardcore blizzdrone during 2004-2013 (to the point I unironically thought that MoP was an intentional dehype tactic so they can over-hype their game with the next expansion AND attract Asian customers at the same time with MoP)
What Blizzard is actually doing is the act of not selling the games themselves, but rather their brand.
They have a couple of lucky successes in a row - pre-merger Warcraft, Diablo, Starcraft and WoW. However, the entire leadership has fully realized that pulling such success post-merger is impossible, as the old workplace culture is replaced by a fresh one and it's simply not the same. They are not stupid, they know that and acted accordingly. How did they act?
By absolutely consciously relocating resources from quality of games to quality of advertisement. Imagine it like a slider with game quality on the left and PR quality on the right and they simply went from 70% from the left to full blown 70% to the right (I mean shit like the WoW movie, which is a grand PR campaign, and this https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=X8bjvoHOSFs ). They aren't making shit expansions and not-so-fun games as they used to do once because they lack the budget or ideas to do so, no, they actually don't have any need in doing so anymore.
>Option 1: They cut advertising budget of a game and go all-in in quality.
What happens now is that they just put all their eggs in one basket, and knowing that its not the old experienced devs they're now working with, it's actually quite likely that their game doesn't succeed enough to repay the investment. Every mistake in game design fully affects the outcome of the game
>Option 2: They cut game design and put it into the act of making the masses like it anyway (PR; advertising)
What happens now is no matter what they shit out, it will inevitably be liked by a certain amount of people. All they have to do is make it "ok" enough to be liked by a couple more.
cont
>makes a movie
>can't even break even
>Starcraft 2 dominating anything
>sc2
>bad
>>342448986
this fampai.
Overhype is a mediocre piece of shit that people only care about because of >muh waifu
>>342452072
I think they broke even but all the money came from overseas, mostly China.
>>342452218
>attack+move to win
>good
>>342448434
https://youtu.be/obUSjiR-i1c
>>342452305
Hi Bronze.
>>342452218
>He thinks it's okay to release only one race's campaign
>>342448273
I like how you skipped their hugely popular MOBA game
>>342452486
>>342452305
is this the silver league memers
>>342452486
>single player
HOLY SHIT /v/ ISN'T CASUAL THEY SAID
>>342448273
>Starcraft 2
>Diablo 3
>Heroes of the Storm
>Hearthstone not being a random shitfest
>Overwatch not being a low skill ceiling casual piece of trash of a 20 tockrate console shooter.
out of my sight blizzdrone.
>>342448273
>makes MMORPG
>kills the MMORPG genre
>>342452702
>hahah oh boy I sure love paying more for less content, I'm a hardc0re gaimer
>>342452068
With option 2, they diversified their basket and no matter how hard the game fails, they have ensured at least a certain amount of customers from the Hype alone (that's how Early Access games function by the way), while going with Option 1 can end up with a quality game that is unheard of.
Now, Blizzard has a very powerful brand because of their past success. A lot of people (used to) think that every single game released by them is a guaranteed massive success. They realize that, therefore, they exploit it fully to their advantage. It's basically like PR for which they don't have to pay a single dollar.
Now, after they are aware that they don't have the original dev team, that their brand is powerful, and that they have enough proof that focusing on advertising in the current state of this industry is the logical thing to do, do you think that they would EVER switch back to their old model of dumping it all on quality of the game?
Alright, two long posts, I'll calm down and finally get to my point. What I want to basically say is that they're following a model that is incredibly profitable short-term, but damaging long-term, as they will continue to invest in brand exploitation, rather than living up to the expectations of their current customers.
Cata was one example, MoP second, WoD third, and I think that Legion will be the final nail where their core fanbase has had it with their disregard of game quality over advertisement. HS 2 will be another, OW's expansions will be yet another.
And in the end, what basically happens is that they managed to attract some customers doing that, but they shat on the expectations of basically everyone else, and they are no longer capable of exploiting their brand (upon which they're now so dependent on).
It's basically what EA and Ubisoft went through, and pretty much what every large publisher in the industry goes through.
>>342452878
you just pretending to be retarded? or just are?
>>342452702
>not enjoying god tier SC1 campain
>>342452878
>paying for the story
I think the kojima thread was two bytes down the road.
>>342452935
>not both
>>342452912
>>342452986
t. Blizzdrones
>>342448273
>makes MOBA
>fails spectacularly
>makes class based FPS
>it's a generic TF2 rip-off
>>342452702
>forgets you still have to buy it for additional MP content
wew laddy
>>342453165
you never buy expansions or something?
>>342450745
>Makes MOBA
>Releases mediocrity the likes of which have never been witnessed on this mortal plane that somehow even tops the autismal League of Faggots in shittyness.
I am honestly impressed at HotS. I cannot imagine making MOBAs that are more pathetic after I saw LoL, but Blizzard went ahead and made it happen.
>>342448273
You forgot the card game.
But honestly, Blizzards ruined every genre they touched.
>>342452702
>Plays plebtier shooter
>Plays hand holding the MMO
>Plays baby's first MtG
>Not casual
Blizzbots will defend this
>>342448693
>makes movie
They were the reason the movie was bad, kept on interfering with the production, to mold it into what they wanted, turned out to be a pile of shit
>>342453607
nice projection
>>342450745
>Pretending that SC2 wasn't a huge commercial success
>Blaming the decline of RTS solely on Blizzard
Also MMO's were never good.
Diablo 3 still has more players than POE, not sure what your definition of "destroyed" is.
>>342453634
You can't just call anything that insults you projection, you know that right?
>>342453787
you can't just make irrelevant assumptions you know that right?
>>342452068
>>342452887
All this writing, and all you do is talk out of your ass.
Blizzard's advertising strat has changed little since the days of WC3.
>>342453661
>Pretending that SC2 wasn't a huge commercial success
Then why does it have less players than TF2, which is proclaimed to be "Dead"?
>>342448693
>it doesn't attract the MOBA playerbase because it's not as easy as League of Shitters
I don't even like LeL and I know fucking Blizzard's ASSFAGGOT is the most casual of the big big three
>>342448434
Is Blizzard North not Blizzard or something???
>>342453971
because player numbers are...bullshit?
>>342453971
Because everyone playing SC2 payed 30-90$ for it?
>>342448273
>people ITT that refuse to give blizzard credit because of their hatred of blizzard games
let's try something. name a single game that's more successful than their blizzard counterpart.
>diablo 3
none currently, but a few people contenders coming in the near future
>WoW
final fantasy is a close second, but even that shit is declining
>heartstone
mtg officially 2nd place these days
>starcraft 2
competitive rts not as hot like it was back in the day, but starcraft is still king
>overwatch
tf2 bootyblasted in a few short weeks
>heroes of the storm
shit, but you can't win 'em all
>>342448273
>Seriously, is there anything Blizzard can't do?
Write decent characters anymore.
Semi-ruined Illidan, ruined Sylvannas, ruined Jaina, ruined Arthas, ruined Thrall, ruined Tyrande, almost ruined Malfurion the list goes on. That's just warcraft up to fucking Cata. I had to stop paying attention, as a lore autistic it was starting to hurt my soul.
>>342448273
>is there anything blizzard can't do
Make a game for not braindead people.
>>342448273
i swear blizzcucks are the most pathetic fanbase there is. its like a hypnotized army that throw money at monthly subs, shitty cosmetics, and uninspired gameplay SOLELY because of the amount theyve already invested.
>>342454245
>tf2 bootyblasted in a few short weeks
The game is almost 8 years old.
It's like making a successful hack and slash game and parading around that it has more player than devil may cry 4.
>>342454441
Not all of em.
>>342454212
>>342454142
Not an argument. This game should have millions playing it if it's so good. After all, this is why you declare TF2 dead, isn't it?
>>342448273
>pixar fortress 2
half of the audience got literally viral marketed into buying this thanks to the fucked up budget they threw at marketing - its babbys first shooter.
>>342454212
It still wasn't a success, they made money in the short term, but they permanently damaged a franchise that had the potential to make quadruple over time if they didn't make SC2 so awful.
>sucks cock
>dominates the entire cocksucking genre
How does OP do it?
>>342454598
NOT TO MENTION: they actively lied about the pricing scheme.
>we're only seperating the game into 3 parts, it'll be worth it guys!
>oops, just kidding, here's some DLC ontop of that which we blatantly chopped out of the game
>>342453838
Sure thing lad
The games advertised themselves pre-2010
Post-2010, Blizzard is manually advertising the games
You absolutely fully know and realize that Overwatch and HS don't have a significant enough gameplay (and even fucking graphics) to justify their place on the top, and yet they somehow are. Mind explaining that?
>>342448273
>Seriously, is there anything Blizzard can't do?
• Release Project TITAN.
• Not singlehandedly murder the hotkey MMO.
• Keep expansion promises.
• Release something of their own without having to leech already proven game development directions from others.
• Keep their community managers in check
• Toss the gratuitous shitters off their forums
• Feature a game sans a inexplicably "insane" character in it
• Remember their roots that got them where they are today
... the list could go on, but fuck them and their community.
>>342452272
most part of the money from overseas stays on overseas
>>342448434
OK? And what's your point?
>>342448693
Not sure I would call it harder than the other MOBAs. Personally I enjoyed it moreas much as you can enjoy MOBAs at leastbecause it cuts all the tedious crap, but that tedious crap is what most MOBA players seem to actually enjoy for some reason.
>>342451931
What the FUCK are you talking about? D3 sold over 30 million copies and Overwatch has already sold 10 million copies.
They made the hack n slash genre their bitchs since D2.
>>342454881
The money goes to Blizzard nonetheless; even if it goes to their Chinese branch, the assets can be redistributed by Board of Directors.
>>342448273
Blizzard shills hard on every major site. Their games are average, at best.
>>342454937
But no one like D3 compared to D2. It sold, but people didnt like it. The hype sold it. I know because I got the collector edition, and thought that finally after all these years I would get THE Game I was waiting for. Seems like I'm still fucking waiting.
>>342451931
>Unless something crazy happens
Like Russians and BRs stopping to be too poor to afford anything but basically F2P games?
>>342455067
This
The money is taxed in China, but belong to the American Blizzard nonetheless
>>342455142
"Waah but i didnt like it"
WHO GIVES A FUCK? It sold 30+ million copies. Probably close to 40 million nowadays.
That's literally all that matters. Profits. It's a god damn business. There is NOTHING that even has 1/5 of those profits of D3 (don't even get me started on D2)
It's about money for a business and for objective success. They objectively crushed that market.
>>342448273
Acknowledge their mistakes.Seriously I've never seen deve being such entitled fucks.
>people complain about balance
>the balance has no problems,you just have to play in another way
>people complain about matchmaking
>the matchmaking is perfect,the problem is probably you
>people complain about tickrate
>you don't really want higher tickrate,you think you do,but you don't
>want to get into Overwatch
>find out it has cosmetics
>immediately get turned off from it
Cosmetics turned TF2 into a community of people who jerk off their hats instead of actually playing the game. I will never tolerate that again.
>>342448516
I mean, it's not like DoTA didn't start off as a custom map for the Blizzard Title Warcraft 3 or anything...
>>342454793
No they didn't. Starcraft had commercials on T.V. all over websites like IGN, and Warcraft 3 even had one in the theatre.
You're just too young to remember.
>>342455243
They made the money NOW but destroyed the Diablo brand.
>>342448273
>class based FPS
No, they made a MOBAFPS and it suffers in design due to that.
>>342455256
You moron, leveling gives you cosmetics and whatnot. You cant even trade them, you just unlock them.
>>342455142
>The hype sold it.
you can make a good argument that the series' pedigree has been soured in most people's eyes, but this flat out isn't true. 3 months after release, well enough time for word of mouth to spread about the game's deep flaws, the game had sold 12 million copies. using this as the cutoff point, it and RoS went on to sell 18 million copies. the idea that D3 sold entirely on launch hype and fond memories of D2 is just demonstrably false.
>>342455409
>>342455370
>more opinions
No one gives a fuck. They made fuck tons of profits and absolutely crushed all of their competitors in those genres.
They are objectively successful and lead the market in both of those genres right now. No one gives a fuck about your shitty opinions, they only care about profit the game brings in.
>>342454830
Titan is Overwatch
>>342454793
There isn't really (or rather wasn't any other) online card game that was popular besides HS at the time. Realistically you had MTGO and the free Yu-Gi-Oh servers but that's it. They didn't want to cannibalize their offline market, so they didn't make any other games. It was basically a free win for Blizzard.
HS being an easy to stream game probably helped a ton too. HS streaming community is basically 80% drama at this point. I'm pretty sure it has the most drama out of any of the games on Twitch.
You also can't play online poker for money in the US so that was another big loss.
>>342455243
t. Nintendrone 2 years ago
>>342455409
>MOBA
its not a moba, wtf
>>342455245
>>people complain about matchmaking
>>the matchmaking is perfect,the problem is probably you
To be fair, I can understand their response to this one. Most of the complaints I have been seeing have been from fags who apparently haven't played any shooters in years and deluded themselves into thinking they are way better at it than they actually are - and now complain because they only win half of the games.
The MM seems to be fairly decent for me, out of 10 games I have maybe 2-3 in which one of the teams gets utterly crushed. And for most of those it is not because one team was actually that much better but because they won the first clash and could then just proceed to stack ultimates in every further onethey really need to do something about that, if you are organized enough winning a single team battle basically guarantees victory.
>>342455370
Diablo survived through hellfire, d3 was peanuts.
>>342455474
>No one gives a fuck about your shitty opinions, they only care about profit the game brings in.
The perfect way to grow your business.
>>342448273
all they do is win
>>342455443
And then people post their OMG SO COOL loadouts into every single discussion online, and people stop playing the game just to look at how "epic" and "cool" their characters are.
That instantly ruins the game for me and makes it just as bad as Hat Fortress.
>>342455516
>Titan is Overwatch
LOLOLOLOL...!!!
>make shitty rip offs
>drones and casuals eat it up
If anything, I'm amazed by their marketers.
>>342455517
Nintendo is a fucking failure in recent years. How is someone who is arguing that profit = success going to be nintendrone when the wii u was the most pitiful shit ever as far as profit goes?
>>342455543
APPARENTLY so if you looked at the sales of D3 and overwatch. Profits is everything to a business.
>>342455474
>They are objectively successful and lead the market in both of those genres right now. No one gives a fuck about your shitty opinions, they only care about profit the game brings in.
I am well aware, thats why I said that they loss Diablo to us (and by us I mean everyone I know and grew up with that loved D2 to death and bought D3, then hoped that the expansion would fix something and... nope). A lot of people at uni feels this way as-well: not going to buy anything Diablo-related in the future. Its just dead to us.
They just loss an entire generation of diablo fan.
Diablo is more of a Dungeon crawler than anything else really,
>>342455473
I never really played D2, and bought D3 (it's not bad, but ARPGS aren't my thing). I heard RoS is significantly better, but I'm all ARPG'd out for now.
I've also played Titan Quest and PoE, but D3 was the only one I managed to complete the story campaign. As a casual player of the genre, I thought it was fine.
>>342448273
>Seriously, is there anything Blizzard can't do?
Not ruin every single genre they touch.
>>342455612
he's right you know, why do you think everything about overwatch feels so uninspired and slapped together? its literally the remnants of project titan.
>>342455560
I don't think you actually know which cosmetics are in the game.
>>342455560
>single discussion online
why do you care so much about Overwatch discussions? What do you even want to discuss? I'm lv103 in Overwatch right now and no one is discussing the fucking cosmetics ingame.
>>342455474
>What are long term effects
>What is alienating your audience
>What is losing goodwill
>What is user's getting fedup
Look at overwatches metacritic for user reviews. Pretty mediocre, even after the massive hype. People wise up pretty quick.
>>342455638
Much like what Blizzard is doing now, Nintendo burnt through their goodwill and decided to be short sighted in their marketing. This is what happened to Nintendo years ago, and fanboys said what is being said here right now.
>>342448273
yeah, they're going to be more popular than Team Fortress 2.
What an accomplishment.
>>342455612
Spot the retard.
>>342455638
>Profits is everything to a business.
See:
>>342455517
Fuck your rep, fuck your company.
Luckily, they have many already established genres to rip ideas from. Might take them eight years to make the game, but it does ring with the drones so they got that for now.
>>342455612
I mean it basically was, they scrapped the assets because they were making a shit game (or rather they couldn't find another good enough game/genre to copy off of and polish to death)
>>342455704
>I heard RoS is significantly better
It really did improve the game. One of the things D3 was sorely lacking at first was the paragon system. There was just no point in continuing to play your current character after a few hours before it
>>342455770
>why do you care so much about Overwatch discussions
These are the people I'm going to be playing against. They will not discuss anything but gameplay in my presence. That's my right as a customer. You want to talk about something else, go play a different game.
>What do you even want to discuss
Gameplay only. No cosmetics.
>>342455474
>absolutely crushed all of their competitors in those genres
Considering their only real competition was Battleborn that's not saying much. And don't say TF2 because the playerbase in that game did not tank a single bit from OW releasing.
Also, being successful does not mean that the game is good or well designed. Might No. 9 still managed to get 4 million dollars and it's a piece of shit. Try again.
>>342455518
It is littered with MOBA elements.
Heroes, abilities with cooldowns, ults in general, and passives. I called it a MOBAFPS for a reason.
>>342455560
Literally never happens even in TF2,unless you go to autistic trade servers
>>342455747
... it isnt even the same genre as TITAN.
Wew, lads.
>>342455809
>"spotted"
>>342455873
>They will not discuss anything but gameplay in my presence. That's my right as a customer.
>>342448516
>>342448569
>they don't even know where the dota name came from
>>342455258
And I mean its not like Blizzard could have hired the guy who maintained the mod for years.
The stupid fucks had the access to the golden egg for years and for some reason they didn't capitalize on it.
>>342455889
If you go to Overwatch general right now, people are constantly posting webms of their reskins winning in "play of the game" because they get a cool close up of their "epic and leet haxorz" reskins.Meanwhile, no gameplay discussion.
>>342455937
>t. someone who wants games to be cinematic movies
>friends all played LoL obsessively for years
>have all moved almost exclusively to Overwatch
Another fotm game for normie bottom feeders to run over to like sheep
>>342455967
>Giving credit to a company for a fan made mod
>>342455907
No, it was an instruction for others in the thread. Spot the retard.
>>342454582
This is /v/. Literally the only box a game has to tick for me to declare it dead is that I don't like it.
>>342453661
>More D3 players than POE
>>342455873
>They will not discuss anything but gameplay in my presence.
I have bad news for you. People ingame do not discuss their cosmetics, but ratter:
- Donald Trump
- Numbani "lol niggers""
- GG ez like Orlando (followed by profanity for 3 games straight)
- Waifus
- etc.
People are way to busy calling each others dicks to talk about cosmetics
>>342448693
I'm not all that sure they care too much, it looks as if it's basically an sc2 custom map, basically low investment cost, probably decent return on that investment. At least that's my guess.
>>342455873
And it's their right as customers to talk about whatever the fuck they want to as well. Get over yourself, faggot.
>>342456000
>going to a general
>expecting it to be talking about the game
newfag detected
generals stop talking about gameplay after maybe 10 threads tops, 20-30 if it's a large franchise like sonic or something
>>342448273
Wait...
What hack'n'slash game did they make?
>>342456000
>>t. someone who wants games to be cinematic movies
What the fuck does that have to do with anything? I play PoE, there cosmetic there as-well but no one talk about it, we are way too busy making builds and grinding gear. I have no clue how you came up with that reply
>>342456059
>telling Anonymous what to do
Now that's some newfag.
>>342454582
>its another TF is relevant episode
Fuck overwatch for bringing out these super autist poorfags
>>342456118
>And it's their right as customers to talk about whatever the fuck they want to as wel
Not if they're impacting my gameplay experience. That takes precedence over everything else.
>going to a general
>expecting it to be talking about the game
A good game series would never let their general devolve into what you just described. They would continue talking about the gameplay.
The problem is that you don't really see those generals on the front page.
>>342456175
Diablo 3 is more hack/slash than arpg
>>342455873
>They will not discuss anything but gameplay in my presence. That's my right as a customer.
Are you breathing through your mouth right now?
Also, no one is discussing cosmetics because no one fucking cares about them. The sprays are irrelevant, and everyone who hit ~35-40 can just buy whichever legendary skin they want.
Also why discuss that when POTG exists?
>>342456175
Diablo?
>>342454592
but for years I was told halo was my babies first and before that you told me source was my babies first
>>342456251
>Action role-playing games (abbreviated action RPG, action/RPG, or ARPG) form a loosely defined subgenre of role-playing video games that incorporate elements of action or action-adventure games, emphasizing real-time action where the player has direct control over characters, instead of turn-based or menu-based combat. These games often use combat systems similar to hack and slash or shooter games.
pretty loose terms
>Loved Diablo 1 & 2. D3 is shit. Franchise ruined.
>Loved SC1 & Broodwar. SC2 is shit. Franchise ruined (AND Broodwar online match is a wasteland because of SC2 FUCK).
>Loved Wc3/Vanilla WoW. Try WoW years later: Ruined.
Seriously, I cant take it anymore.
>>342456243
>>342456000
Pretty much no general on /vg/ talks about gameplay because the things to discuss will run out after a few threads ,especially for a gameplay as shallow as OW.
>>342456181
>I play PoE, there cosmetic there as-well but no one talk about it, we are way too busy making builds and grinding gear.
Never seen it happen. If you go into the general, it already disproves that notion.
>>342456258
>Also, no one is discussing cosmetics because no one fucking cares about them.
>>>/vg/146358158
Took me less than a minute to disprove that notion.
>>342456243
>Not if they're impacting my gameplay experience.
fucking cosmetics are impacting your gameplay?
>And it's their right as customers
Please tell me you are a 'new' gamer or casual gamer. I dont mind that, but the way you explain yourself is ridiculous.
>>342456395
You have no argument, so you run right to the "autism" card. Does that disprove my argument?
>>342456217
>m-muh anonymous we r leguun! nevah forgive nevah forget!
Fuck off.
>>342456220
It was the worst just right after release. Everyone who actually plays video games was busy with OW and Total Warhammer and you only had the shitposters left.
>>342456456
>If you go into the general, it already disproves that notion.
Anon I said I played PoE (and love it). I wont go on the fucking /vg/ generals, they always devolve into memes and shit discussion. I discuss this with friends andon reddit shit the devs themselves posts their updates there/spoiler].
>>342456243
>That takes precedence over everything else.
Nah. People enjoying themselves with a product they spent their money on is. If you can't handle that then it may be you that needs to play something or else. Otherwise, suck it up, you big baby.
>They would continue talking about the gameplay
Every general either turns to shit or dies. There are no exceptions, newfag.
>>342456546
Not him, but yes it does.
>>342454893
Different dev team but whatever who cares anymore after D3
>>342456546
I wasn't making an argument, just calling you an autist for saying shit like "Not if they're impacting my gameplay experience. That takes precedence over everything else." emphasis on the my part. I don't even ;like overwatch
>>342456456
>people make fun of stupid names
>but because it also has a skin deviating from the regular one (which you can get for so few coins that it is available for everyone who played a few matches) it must obviously be about the skin
You have clinic autism, Anon. Please don't become the new barney anon
>>342456656
>shit
since* not sure what I was thinking, beside the fact that PoE general is a fucking joke, like most Generals
>Try TERA
>go on /v/g
>the general is literally a pedoland
Embarassing
Blizzard made a hack and slash?
>>342456606
wouldnt expect any less
>>342456532
>fucking cosmetics are impacting your gameplay?
He's either baiting or literally retarded. I mean, he's not even talking about the general chat in the game, he is talking about /vg/ generals.
>>342456456
>Took me less than a minute to disprove that notion.
Are you blind? The image you referred is mocking the name of the player.
>>342456532
>fucking cosmetics are impacting your gameplay?
Yes, as a matter of fact. People stop playing the game and just do nothing but show off their reskins all day. It ruins my experience.
Why do you i have high standards like this? Because when I pay 40 bucks for a game, I expect it to be marginally better than a game for F2P.
>>342456670
>Nah. People enjoying themselves with a product they spent their money on is
If they're not actually playing the game, then they're not enjoying it the right way, and thus ruining my experience. Again, the primary complaint lodged against TF2. You can't just say it's okay for Overwatch to do it.
>>342456710
>>342456729
Sorry lads, but I'm the paying customer here. If I don't like something, the developer's job is to remove it or fix it. I'm not paying 40 dollars just to lower my standards, especially when you guys usually raise hell about how F2P and kids and BRs ruined TF2. So suddenly saying it's okay here is very hypocritical.
>>342456005
overwatch
>kills league
>burns riot to the ground
there IS justice in this world
>>342456656
>I wont go on the fucking /vg/ generals, they always devolve into memes and shit discussion
why are you on /v/ then?
>>342456923
>LoL fanbase is migrating to Overwatch
I don't think is a good thing
well, they can't stop pandering to casuals now. can add that to the list.
>>342456880
He's doing it "ironically". Notice he didn't even type the post in english? Plus he's still posting about the reskin. I don't want that in my 40 dollar discussion.
If the community is no better than TF2, then how can I consider Overwatch to be good?
>>342456890
>If I don't like something, the developer's job is to remove it or fix it.
Actually it's not. The developer does not give a single shit about you as individual customer. Only if you had the majority of the player base on your side they'd feel forced to do something about it - but considering that you are complaining about something the majority supposedly does (at least through your autism-lenses does), they don't.
>>342456890
>Because when I pay 40 bucks for a game, I expect it to be marginally better than a game for F2P.
Its already better since it keeps the poors out.
But more seriously:
>fucking cosmetics are impacting your gameplay?
Yes, as a matter of fact. People stop playing the game and just do nothing but show off their reskins all day. It ruins my experience.
Explain to me WHERE and WHEN this ever happened. I played my fair share of games with cosmetic and never got this issue. Do you seriously make your judgment based on 4chan generals? Cause if so, THERE's the problem.
>>342448273
Yes there is. They couldn't make a game that's not shit even if their lives depended on it.
>>342456571
>reinforcing newfag with more newfag
Sure, son. Just be in bed before nine.
>>342456890
You're one person, not the million you're complaining about. If your argument is "I paid money" then you should realize those other people did too,
>>342456998
I have to admit, that bait was pretty good. For a while I thought you were legit.
>>342452272
I hope you're ready for the sequel: Mists of Pandaria.
>>342450745
>>342452828
This. But the fact remains that blizzard are high quality developers who aren't incompetent as others. The majority of successful developers today release non-optimised games requiring beastly pc parts when they could optimise the game were they not incompetent amateurs who don't care about quality. Look at wow and it's engine, requires only 2GB ram and 256mb VRAM and it looks just as good as any other 3D game released years after it. Pc parts shouldn't have advanced that much since they now allow developers to be too sloppy.
>>342456954
I mean, the guy want legitimate discussion about a game. This happens here, but randomly and not all the time.
But generals are worst, since their very nature is to talk about a game, and usually, it devolve into useless shit. On /v/ I'm not expecting anything beforehand, but find interesting discussions here and there.
>>342456890
>if they aren't enjoying it by whatever arbitrary standards I set then they aren't enjoying it correctly
And you wonder why the other anon called you an autist. This is premium sperg behavior.
The only thing ruining your experience is yourself. Either get over it or only play with a group of friends just as autistic as yourself. And I never mentioned anything about any game doing anything.
>my $40 is more important than all the other $40
lmao
You think Blizzard is just gonna change shit just for you when the rest of the playerbase is fine with it? Awfully pretentious of you, sperglord.
>>342456998
>in my 40 dollar discussion.
good god you speak like 40$ is a lot of money or something
>>342454937
>What the FUCK are you talking about? D3 sold over 30 million copies
And RoS sold like shit. D3 sold amazingly but ultimately did a lot to hurt the Blizzard brand. Brand is what let D3 sell 20+ million copies, is what's preventing Blizzard from ever mentioning just how much RoS sold (the last number we heard was less than 3 million), and probably why Jay Wilson was fired.
>and Overwatch has already sold 10 million copies.
Yes? It's not not showing signs of overtaking CS:GO. It had a strong showing and will likely continue to be a strong IP (which is important as it needs to make up the costs for Titan), but it won't be the #1 FPS.
>>342457183
>but find interesting discussions here and there.
yeah but they arent about vidya. The best thread this week was last nights music thread
>>342453450
>You forgot the card game.
>>342457018
>Actually it's not.
The rights of the customer shall not be infringed. Basic consumer law. Either they fix the game, or I just return it for a refund. This anti-consumer attitude hurts me to see, because it gives companies too much power and rips freedoms from the consumer.
>>342457024
>Its already better since it keeps the poors out.
Then explain why it can be rented at Redbox for less than a dollar?
>Explain to me WHERE and WHEN this ever happened
Any match where a nasally voiced child decides to mic spam, any discussion on /v/ or /vg/, you name it.
>>342457189
>Either get over it or only play with a group of friends
That's not an option for a game I pay for. Maybe if I'm playing some F2P game with no standards, but this is supposed to be "the greatest shooter ever made in the history of the universe" isn't it? So where's the standards? Where's the quality control?
>>342457324
depends, I just got a pretty great Bloodlines discussion yesterday. And I'm really bad at keeping up with games coming out so /v/ helps in that way, I discover interesting games all the time.
>>342457324
if you want good discussions about a topic, find a thread on a board that is not related to the topic
>>342457284
>but it won't be the #1 FPS.
it doesn't have to be
also, don't judge popularity based on twitch views
>>342456973
well it I guess it sucks to overwatch player, at least there you won't have to spend 40 minutes on the same team with them
my point was, riot fucked up so much they deserve lose their costumers
>>342457361
>Any match where a nasally voiced child decides to mic spam, any discussion on /v/ or /vg/, you name it.
Well:
- discussion on /v/ and /vg/ wont get better with another game
- Play on a group (like you should, seriously) and you wont have any "voiced child decides to mic spam" problem
>>342457361
>Either they fix the game, or I just return it for a refund.
You don't own the game though.
>>342457361
Your subjective definition of poor quality means nothing to Blizzard. Toxic players get banned and that's it. Those that pay get access to the game. If you don't like playing with shitters, do something about it, faggot. That $40 only entitled you access to the game. Nothing more, nothing less. This discussion is over, autist.
The autist with his cosmetic problems is killing me
>>342457434
>>342453625
Fucking this. Orcs were good and apparently that's where Duncan did most of the work. I bet Garona and the humans were all written by Metzen.
>>342457627
I want to believe that he is just pretending.
>>342457519
>- discussion on /v/ and /vg/ wont get better with another game
Actually, it will. But it has to avoid gimmicks. For example, it can't have online multiplayer. that's the great cancer of the industry.
>- Play on a group
And what if I don't have enough people for it?
>>342457523
>>342457570
European Consumer law says otherwise. I legally own a copy of the game once I buy it, no renting garbage. Valve lost that court case, as did Blizzard.
>>342448273
>is there anything Blizzard can't do?
Consistency over time. Though that can be said to a lot of developers nowadays.
>>342457762
>And what if I don't have enough people for it?
Dont consider Overwatch. Seriously.
>>342457748
>>342457627
>I've never seen what cosmetics can do to a game
Go and install TF2 right now and tell me that I'm just "making a big deal out of it".Or you can admit that you were wrong and that TF2 isn't a bad game after all, despite cosmetics.
>>342448986
>>342452230
it's so obvious when people have never played overwatch. the waifus aren't what's selling the game: the game is selling the game.
this game has over 11 million players because people literally can't stop playing the fucking game. blizz made fps crack. they've made so much money off of this game battleborn near instantly died, a rare feat for a AAA game. there are people who have spent over $200 on loot boxes and they haven't even put out the first update patch for the game. if you start playing this game at 4am in the morning you will find a match in 30 seconds or less.
>>342457715
>that's where Duncan did most of the work
this is the sole reason I want to see a sequel, assuming it's true
the vast majority of the movie was bad, but it had a couple of good scenes that indicate potential
>>342457762
Good for you. Owning the game still does not entitle you to anything more than access to the game, dumbass. Get lost already.
>>342457496
>it doesn't have to be
I'm not even saying it does either. Literally all I said was "it is doing well but won't overtake CS:GO." I even noted that Blizzard is currently doing well and will continue to expand. Somehow this rubs blizzdrones the wrong way.
>don't judge popularity based on twitch views
I don't, but you can't ignore them either. CS:GO runs via the hat economy rather than sales, so flashy advertisements of these things via streams is an important factor.
>>342457762
>European Consumer law
He might not be baiting guys...
Now this is fucking hilarious.
>>342457762
> I legally own a copy of the game once I buy it
But you didn't buy the fucking game. Your whole point was that you won't get it because your autism was triggered by the fact that it has cosmetics.
>makes movie
>dominates fantasy movie genre
>>342455258
>>342455967
They had nothing to do with DotA's creation, at best they allowed to to be through their inaction.
They were probably so up their own collective asses over their own supposed greatness that they didn't think they needed some hackjob modder stupid game concept because they're Blizzard and every genre they touch turns to solid gold.
The degree to which they were utterly cucked out of DotA2 is the kind of catharsis that could keep me warm and comfortable through a nuclear winter.
>>342457762
>And what if I don't have enough people for it?
Well I can definitely tell why you don't at least.
>>342457915
His "THE CUSTOMER IS ALWAYS RIGHT!" actually had me believing he's a Burger first
>>342457842
>Go and install TF2 right now and tell me that I'm just "making a big deal out of it". Or you can admit that you were wrong and that TF2 isn't a bad game after all, despite cosmetics.
I wouldn't know because I never played TF2, and so, installing now wouldn't give me the insight on how it was before.
But seriously, is that your one example. That's it? Cosmetics screwed TF2 so they're bad everywhere?
Let me tell you what screwed TF2:
FREE TO PLAY
And I dont need to play it to know, it brings all the cockroach and autists around like a delicious pile of meat.
>>342457842
>it's just an asshurt TF2 loser
That somehow makes it even worse.
>>342457874
>there are people who have spent over $200 on loot boxes
>Waifus aren't what's selling the game
>>342457889
>dumbass
And now you resort to strawmen? Fine. But the next time you cry about how F2Ps and cosmetics brutally killed TF2, you'll find that any argument you make will be similar to mine.
Don't forget that YOU said that cosmetics ruin games. See: every single Tf2 discussion post-F2P.
>>342448273
>hack'n'slash game
What game are we talkin about here?
>>342458003
>His "THE CUSTOMER IS ALWAYS RIGHT!" actually had me believing he's a Burger first
Same. I hate that customer mentality.
>>342457762
You can't return something just because you don't like it. That's why they have a free trial, you cunt. Programs and games are virtual property and don't count as bought objects which you own, unless specifically stated by the seller. Which is why you see a lot of free trials and demos out there.
>>342454571
>The game is almost 8 years old.
Try 10, anon.
>>342452218
>having to buy the game 3 separate times to experience the entire single-player campaign
Yeah, anon. Its bad.
>makes MOBA
>dominates...oh
>>342457874
>there are people who have spent over $200 on loot boxes and they haven't even put out the first update patch for the game
sort of make me fear for the future of the game, honestly
>they made you pay for the game
>their bullshit cosmetics are already selling big time
>all this, while the game is pretty bare bones right now
they have like zero incentive to create new content
>>342458078
Actually I never actually said anything about cosmetics or games being ruined. I've just been calling you out on being a retard and having a retarded mentality. Try again when you aren't a faggot, kiddo. ;)
>>342448434
>Blizzard North
>m-muh blizzard north
they fucking sucked afterwards, hellgate london was a travesty
>>342457842
TF2 isn't bad because of costumes, it's bad because they took a very well balanced game and updated it with so much crap that the balance was completely ruined and the core gameplay was lost, people just bring up hats because it came about around the same time
>>342457887
Blizzard needs to keep their noses out of it and let Duncan do his thing. And the sequel needs more Gul'dan
>>342457762
>And what if I don't have enough people for it?
Of course you don't you autistic sperglord. Who the fuck want to be friends with someone who is triggered by fucking cosmetic and people who liked it of all things.
Am I in a YLYL thread?
>>342458078
>>Don't forget that YOU said that cosmetics ruin games.
>comes into the thread telling everyone that cosmetics will ruin TF2
>"It was you shitting on cosmetics all along!"TF2 is dead and no matter how much you bitch it will never get good again.
>>342454101
Yeah they were a different studio in the Bay Area. They've all since left for other things. Two biggest groups were those that left to make Hellgate: London, and those that left to make Guild Wars.
>>342457762
>I legally own a copy of the game once I buy it, no renting garbage.
>Valve lost that court case
But Steam IS a renting service, what the fuck
>>342458056
>>342458224
>>342458191
>>342458325
>Let me tell you what screwed TF2:
>FREE TO PLAY
and why do you think people swarmed to it? Because of hats and looking goofy and colorful neon paint. Something Overwatch has an abundance of. I mean, is it so wrong that I don't want another shooter to be infested by children and BRs? You said it yourself, that ruined TF2. You think Overwatch is immune to that?
Look at Starcraft 2. Children in every other game, despite the series costing upwards of 100 dollars for all installments + DLC. So why didn't the price tag deter them?
>>342458190
>they have like zero incentive to create new content
They kind of do because even the people who throw massive amounts of cash at the game will still get bored if they never get any new maps or heroes
>>342458384
>Children in every other game
Anon, we are, you know, talking about VIDEOGAMES. Of course there will be Children.
>>342458384
>You said it yourself, that ruined TF2
I never said that you moron. I don't give a shit about TF2, I never played it.
>>342458190
OH they have the incentive!
It's just y'know... actually doing it.
>>342458224
This desu, even though Valve realized it and is trying to rebalance it the damage is done
>>342458384
Just wanted you to know that I'm a father, and my son play Overwatch from time to time with my account. He prefers to play Diablo 3. Why exactly are you expecting your games to be children-free?
>>342458472
So the price tag didn't deter them, which means the game is 40 dollars for no reason. I have a problem with that. A price tag like that should keep out the children, so adults can actually play the game without throwing their nasally voices online, or jerking off to cosmetics.
I'm not sure why you defend the F2P audience so much when you see first hand how they ruin games.
>>342458384
People swarmed to it because it's a great game that was free to play. Cosmetics stopped being an issue 3 years ago and have stopped being an active part of the game in the last year due to its "economy" crashing. TF2 declined due to the oversaturation of new items affecting variables in the game and the change in balance and meta because of them.
Also, don't quote people that didn't actually say what you're accusing them of saying, retard.
>>342458679
>game is 40 dollars for no reason.
Anon the game cost 40$ because its a GAME that they made with a team, a budget, etc! What the actual fuck, do you thinking making videogames is charity????
Blizzard games aren't good, they've just mastered tapping into peoples psychology to make them keep playing. It's the same carrot on a stick shit gambling machines use.
>>342458075
yes you fucking weeaboo and guess what. every single one of those people paid at least $40 USD on this game. vast majority of people have not even bought lootboxes, but just the few who do and go wild on it is just more money in blizzard's pocket. 11 million people decided to buy this game because it's a fun first person shooter, not because they masturbate to fictional characters like you. But for the genetic wastes like yourself, there is tons of OW porn.
>>342458190
>they made a game that was so good, people played the demo and immediately felt like it was worth paying for
>they have an optional cosmetics system you can pay for if you want to
>it doesn't affect the gameplay in the slightest
I don't fear for the game at all. I just play it.
I'll never understand /v/'s psychology and always ascribe to the notion that /v/ is, 99/100 times, wrong about everything. I guarantee you most OverWatch detractors are absolutely ass at any video game, not just first person shooters. And these kinds of people never have any interest in competitive multiplayer games, because they don't play video games. They aren't good at video games. They just cry on the internet all day about how awful video games are and spend their mom's allowance on weeaboo "press x to see pantsu" games.
Fuck I hate /v/ so much.
If anything more game developers should do stuff like this. Focus on making a good solid product that sells just on the basis of being a good product, is balanced enough to be a viable esport, then add a bunch of optional frills and dress up bullshit.
>>342458435
Also Blizzard has already explained there's going to be new maps and skins in the summer, already hinted at two of the heroes coming up. The thing is the game is already solid as fuck even though it's barebones. You could play a single hero for 100 hours and not get bored, already plenty of the playerbase decide to do this, and then switch to another hero and it's like a completely different game.
>>342458679
>I'm not sure why you defend the F2P audience so much when you see first hand how they ruin games.
I think you're getting your shit confused here, we are clearly multiple anons answering you, I never played TF2
>>342458679
>$40 price tag deterring kids from your meme fps
kek look how popular cod is and thats +$60 with dlc
>>342458792
>overwatch
>competitive
wew
>>342458660
>>342458723
>>342458770
>>342458839
>>342458863
>Why exactly are you expecting your games to be children-free?
Because, in a team based game, children don't want to work together. The in-thing right now is being an edgy loner who refuses to help the team. And that sinks 90% of matches when nobody is working cohesively together.
It doesn't help that, if you're actually good at the game, people used to be able to put you on a black list, which meant you couldn't ever play a game if they were in it, so you had to wait an hour for a match to queue up. So I could've been paying 40 dollars to wait in a queue until being matched with people who just started playing. Really peachy.
Path of Exile is better and more popular than D3, which is basically dead at this point
>>342458792
>Game is clearly good because people spend $200 dollars on waifu clothes
>But that's actually bad
>Contradicting yourself this much
Are you that Jewish overhype shill /pol/ warned me about friendo?
>>342458923
man, that is one fucking tall high horse you set yourself up upon.
get over yourself, shitter.
good gamers arent there to make your ass feel special.
WoW disappointed me after WotLK, never was interested in SC as a series, Hearthstone is mediocre, HotS is bad, Overwatch needs much more content to be worth anything, but Diablo 3 is my guilty pleasure.
>>342458923
>And that sinks 90% of matches when nobody is working cohesively together.
aka play with a group. Play. With. A. Group.
>Because, in a team based game, children don't want to work together. The in-thing right now is being an edgy loner who refuses to help the team.
And you think this because????? Where you not a child once? Didn't you know how to play fucking team based games, even if it was just a 3v3 sc game or something?
>>342448273
>try to dominate the RTS genre again
>single-handedly kill the national sport of south korea
>try to dominate the hack'n'slash genre again
>creates the biggest unable to play online-only scandal until simcity
>tries to dominate the MMORPG genre again
>can't even get it off the fucking ground
Really all they're good at is throwing money at something until it hits big, their actual games have been garbo for more than a decade
Someone explain to me why HOTS is somehow shit and easy just because you don't spend gold on items, and instead get talent treats that do essentially the same exact thing?
HOTS is a lot more team fight focus, which as far as i have witnessed is always the most hype moments of any dota/LoL tournament, so why do people say it's not complex enough? Just because you can't whack a mole last hit mobs and deal with outdated design ideas like placing wards?
I mean i don't play either of those games anymore but to me HOTS looks like what a MOBA would ideally look like if you removed all the bad and unintuitive design ideas LoL and DOTA have taken from WC3s dota map
>>342458923
>hypothetical whining: the post
neck yourself, m night famalam
>>342458923
This is not the first time you bring this topic and reply like this in Overwatch threads right? I remember having a discussion like few days ago. Seems that everybody is just wasting their time, but the keks are real.
>>342459173
>and instead get talent treats that do essentially the same exact thing?
Because they don't. You can meme all you like about DOTA, but every hero is built more than two different ways. Blizzard Allstars (BAlls) is so simple a robot could play it.
>>342449292
>Literally
gb2r
>>342459009
I'm not contradicting myself dumbfuck. People spending money on this stuff is great, it's free money for Blizzard, people get to play dress up with their gorillas, robots and waifus. Again, playing dress up doesn't affect the game at all. The game is relatively well balanced (was patched very fast) for a game that's been out less than a month and already has a competitive scene growing. And in the meantime blizzard takes the money from lootboxes and other random stuff to make more heroes, maps, game modes, etc. it's basically a perfect model, if anything I expect Blizzard to make so much money off of this game they decide to eventually make the game free like TF2 and just fund it on loot boxes.
>>342458886
there are 17 year old Korean girls right now who are making more money playing Overwatch than you do at whatever shitty job you work, assuming you're not just a typical NEET loser. and guess what: those girls are also better at video games than you or your wife's son will ever be.
>>342459270
>but every hero is built more than two different ways
Only 10% of the Dota roster is even picked, and only 1 cookie cutter build for each character so i'm calling bullshit on that.
>>342459079
>get over yourself, shitter.
That's the problem. If I make an effort to play the game well, I'll get punished with long wait times and people reporting me because they think I'm "hacking". And if I ever at any point said "gg" I'm permanently banned from the game. Some shooter you got there.
>>342459102
>Didn't you know how to play fucking team based games, even if it was just a 3v3 sc game or something?
Millenials don't. That's another problem.
>>342458792
>I don't fear for the game at all. I just play it.
I wish I could be that optimistic about it
but I played WoW, thus know and remember how they fucked up a by being lazy
if they are not pressured to make updates of high quality in a timely manner, they won't
>>342459414
That would imply you have enough skill to be mistaken for a hacker.
