>it gets good 15 hours in
>>342421507
>Buy game
>You have to invest time in it before it gets good
I have heard retards here say this numerous time and I kindly tell them to fuck off.
whats wrong with admitting some parts of the game arent good
>>342421852
If a game doesn't pull you in instantly, it's failed.
>>342421852
>>342421507
>This part of the game is shit so the rest of it doesn't count
>Game is good with friends
>>342421507
>It gets good 80 hours in
>>342421990
>15 hours
>some parts
>>342422298
look Im willing to give the game a fair chance and a lot of games do take awhile to get going, but at the BARE MINIMUM you have to give some indication early on that things will improve
>It's a good game, just not a good [series] game.
>>342421507
>>342421852
>>342422202
Really depends on the kind of game. A game with a particularly deep system could have a fairly steep learning curve that puts people off in the beginning.
>>342421507
>DUDE IT GETS GOOD ONCE YOU BUY THE EXPANSION AND ALL THE DLC AND BEAT EVERY SINGLE ONE 29 TIMES TO UNLOCK EVERY SINGLE ACHIEVEMENT AND SECRETBRUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUH
>Here, try these control settings and the game will be infinitely better! ;^)
I'm looking at you,the crew
> a game isn't good unless its more than 10 hours long!
If it's any more than 12 hours it's just a chore for anyone that isn't a fucking shut-in loser
>>342422496
That's a reasonable thing to say if a game is significantly different from its predecessors. Not all games are aimed at the same audience.
>>342421507
>It's slower than X version because it has more content
>Both games have the same amount of content in them
>Censorship does not make the game bad
>Digital only does not make the game bad
>The Japanese version is superior than the west version even though it has the same content
>>342422545
paradox games are boring at release
>>342422619
wew lad
>The game is good, you just are playing it wrong
>>342421507
I was told this lie about FF13. It never got good.
>*plays it a certain way*
>YOU DIDN'T PLAY IT THE RIGHT WAY
>it gets good 15 hours in
>game is 16 hours long
why?
>It gets good three seconds in if you piss yourself before playing it for the first time,
Well if it's what I gotta do
>the game is fine offlinelooking at you SFV
>>342422496
does that mean its not up to the standards of the series or does it mean the game went in such a different direction that it no longer resembles said series?
examples of the former: Dark Souls 2
examples of the later: Toe Jam and Earl 2 and Nuts and bolts.
>>342421507
>FF13
>it really opens up after 10-20 hours
>one fucking empty field with a few branching paths
can't believe I wasted my time
>>342422913
what game
>>342421507
the only """"game"""" this is true for, is muv luv
>>342422984
A friend told me to do it before playing MGS 4
![[017135].png](https://i.imgur.com/Mqer56z.png "[017135].png")
>>342421507
>play Mother 3
>Think the first 85% of it is boring and stuff
>It sets up the last 15%
>It was totally worth it in the end
Probably the best final boss i've ever fought.
>>342422521
MH4U took me 1-2 hours to properly get in, which I say is a pretty fair time. But to invest 15 hours for a game to get good is just downright ridiculous.
>>342422967
holy fuck this
god FFXIII is so trash
not 1 redeeming quality in the entirety of that game
FFX had way more content and literally the best combat in the series
>>342423021
>reading simulator
>game
Pick One.
I want to put my tongue inside Hachikuji's mouth.
>>342423169
>long lost brother who was presumed dead is final boss
wow what a game-changer!!
>>342421507
What do you mean?
>>342423405I meant Porky, I don't count dumb easy shit as the final boss.
>I want to buy a game that originally came out in another country
>Except with censored and/or cut content
>and still pay that of a similar price of when it originally came out
Fucking retards I tell yea what
>>342423281
>>342423458
>it gets awful 2 hours in
>>342421507
fuck you, Monster Hunter gets good after 100 hours. You justn ned to grind a little
>>342423405
Personally I liked Porkey more. Didnt really care about the sad brother shit that was forced
>>342423502
nvm anon was right
>>342422765
You can play soccer by only headbutting the ball and you'll be far less active than the people who use their feet, so if you complain that the game is boring and you're not getting enough action you have only yourself to blame.
>>342423281
why would you do this? she‛s just a kid
>I still support a company that region locks their shit in the year 2016
>>342423596
What the fuck are you talking about? I had a great time from beginning to end during my first MH. Everyone after that can be annoying, but only because of the tutorials. After that its business as usual.
>>342422808
I bet you never even finished it, dumbass faggot
>>342422298
Final Fantasy XIII. It really does get good after 20 hours. But that makes the game shit.
>>342423767
Protip:it's a meme, you dip
>Piracy is okay if I wouldn't have bought it in the first place
If you wouldn't have bought it in the first place, you wouldn't have pirated it either. There are some games that just plain dont deserve space on your drives.
It gets better the second or third time you beat the game.
>It gets good after you hit the open world guys
>it goes right to shit as soon as you hit the open world
>>342423596
You're still doing the exact same fucking thing after 100 hours, or after 1000 hours, if you don't like it by hour 5 then you're never going to like it.
Define "good"
Certain games really open up after a point and become substantially better. And multiplayer games I feel become a million times better once you get better. For example street fighter is a franchise that only became absolutely amazing to me after hundreds of hours of dedication and frustration as I attempted to learn how to play.
>>342421507
>the real content starts when you hit max level
>>342423818
I stopped playing after about 15 hours. I believe people who say it gets good after 20 hours but I just didn't care anymore, game was shit and I hated it and I wasn't slogging through more hours of that shitfest for the vague promise of good gameplay hidden beyond.
>>342421507
>It has shit gameplay and voice acting and graphics and animations and it's buggy as hell but it's the best game ever!
Basically every fucking "classic" PC RPG.
RPGs in general are shit to be honest.
>>342424065
>the real content starts after you finish the game
I'm looking at you literally every Disgaea game
>>342421507
>"senjougahara best girl"
>>342421507
>I didn't like that game
>Oh did you at least get to x?
>Yeah, I have over 100 hours in gameplay.
>>342422298
If you have to put double digits amount of hours for you to find out if a game is "good" , that just a failure in general
>>342421507
>I played this game for 50 hours and I hate it
>It's shit because this mechanic that doesn't take any effort to avoid makes it too easy
For instance people complaining about quick travel ruining the game when they could just not use it.
>>342424147
I just ment most MMOs but holy fucking shit you brought out a lot salt in me that I forgot.
>Item world
>class world
>X-World
>Post game bonus bosses
>gotta keep girinding on the maps made for grinding at a snail rate pace
>Gotta keep rebrithing and getting stronger
How do people stand it?
>>342423218
>FFX had way more content and literally the best combat in the series
Not sure it the best combat, but it the most snappy and responsive, which really helps with the pacing even if it is turn base
>>342421507
>>342424278
>tfw this is me and literally every multiplayer shooter
I fucking hate them but can't stop putting hundreds if not thousands of hours into them.
>>342423887
I pirate shit because I can. Fuck you, deal with it.
>>342424065
>>342424147
Pretty much every MHfag ever.
>It's not a GQ140 so it doesn't count! Our game's the best and the hardest when you're 300 hours in and fighting post-G-rank frenzied apex alpha turbo-mode godkiller zinogregios!I really like Monster Hunter but the "core" of the game is high-rank. You can grind forever in G-rank but that's post-game, like going NG+++ or bonus difficulty mode in other games.
>>342424473
that means you like them retard. you hate to lose, you like to win.
>>342424361
>no one would ever do something they dislike for a prolonged amount of time
>>342424474
At least you're transparent about it.
I wish Google had software I could pirate. Dumb assholes put me on hold for four hours only to tell me they had no phone support and I want vengeance.
>>342424278
Honeymoon period Pooh Bear. Some games have longer ones
>It's a [Insert site/buzzword that /v/ thinks is negative]
Yeah I see that you're part of le secret 4chan club since you hate that one thing, but that doesn't tell me anything about the game.
>>342423176
any fighting game requires you to invest at least 50 hours of play to not be bored to death getting your ass handled to you if you never played the genre before
>it gets good after the 647th run
>>342423887
Are there actually people who give excuses for pirating? I pirate because I don't wanna pay even if I know it's not right. Besides if it's actually a really good game, enough normies are gonna pay for it anyways
>>342424681
I think that just means you got tired of the game and the magic wore off. the fact there was a 'honeymoon period' means the game was at least good for a while.
>>342424442
>FF7
hit it until it dies and use your most damaging spells
>FF8
Draw system and GF system in general
>FF9
intro to fights drags for almost 30 secs or some shit
combat in general is slow af, same process as FFVII
>FFX
fast, flashy, and many bosses required actual thinking due many of them having unique mechanics outside of being damage sponges
>FFXII
so slow, boring, and uneventful that they added a "Fast-Foward" button in the Zodiac version
>>342424481
As a MHfag myselfI can see where you're coming from, G-quests get annoying and tiring very easily, I've even had some hunts where I was actually able to sleep through them as I hunted. I usually just thinking something like Gogmazios or Wings of Dischord/Rust Remover Kushala or MONSTER HUNTER are good end points to the game.
>>342424442
why do people hate on FFX so much? because it doesn't have an overworld? so what? yeah it's linear to an extent but it has a very real fleshed out world and probably the most refined turn-based combat. I replay it just for fun pretty much every other year.
>>342421507
>[X] RPG combat is too slow
Gee fucking really, individual unit turn based menu scroll combat is slow? Call the fucking press!
>>342424808
What kind of idiot would say that about Binding of Isaac? It's either fun starting from the first run or it's just not for you.
>>342423949
That's actually true for some games
>>342424558
>that means you like them
do you know what settling means?
>>342424895
>Are there people who give excuses
>Follows up question with personal justification for pirating
>>342423818
>>342424105
I haven't actually played FFXIII, why is it that it takes 20 fucking hours for it to be good?
>>342423818
No you fucking retard it doesn't get good once you get to Gran Pulse. It's still the same braindead combat. It's still the same bland linear leveling. It's still the same fucking retarded story. Being able to move in 3 dimensions rather than 1 doesn't somehow make it good.
>>342423818
Yeah, you actually start enjoying the battle system in late game. Shame I can't really get to that part anymore.
>>342425130
At least MH4 had Caravan G-rank quests. Those were fun as fuck. And even the Master's Test was pretty cool, because it was short and intense.
Guild G-rank and GQ140s are either way too fucking long while solo, or completely trivial in multiplayer with a group that doesn't suck. Took me literally 40 minutes to kill Gogmazios on my own because I couldn't find a group that wouldn't triple-cart to him.
>>342425452
There are secret bosses that actually force you to make good use of the battle system, anon.
>>342425130
>>342424481
Both of you sounds like you need to gitgudyou're right though
>>342425429
The first 20 hours are a succession of corridors and cutscenes. I'm not exaggerating, pretty much every area in the first 20 hours is a corridor.
>>342421507
>Play a game with a complex mechanic
>Have to learn it for it to be enjoyable
>Play a game for the "plot"
>It needs to develop before it gets good
>Play a game for anything that requires investment from the players
>It requires investment from the player
WHAT THE FUCK HAPPENED TO VIDEOGAMES. INSTANT GRATIFICATION IS THE ONLY FORM OF ENJOYMENT I CAN EXPERIENCE
MY VALIUM IS NOT THAT STRONG REEEEE
>>342421507
>game gets good 2 hours in
>2 hours in is where most people quit the game
>>342423949
The Resident Evil games didn't get good for me until I unlocked the weapons with infinite ammo. Blasting zombies and monsters will always be fun for me.
>>342423021
>going through 15 hours of drek to get to something good
Good god some people really have no fucking value on their time.
>>342424621
Buyer's remorse denial
>>342425872
The majority of people on /v/ are >25 or NEETS, of course they have entirely too much time.
>>342421507
>Cat is a good character
>>342422619
Sup, dudebro!
>>342426073
Black Cat isnya
>>342425767
There's a difference between investing in time to get familiarity/mastery of the system that the game asks you to learn and then getting to the good stuff, and investing in time getting through bullshit upon bullshit looooong after you have been familiarized with the system before the game gets good.
I'm looking at you, Final Fantasy XIII
>>342421507
i remember this picture from the loli thread that got deleted earlier today
>>342425656
>oh no the boss is about to do something actually damaging
>Set everyone to Sentinel
>Now set everyone to Medic
>Now put everyone back to actually doing damage until the boss is about to do something actually damaging
>Repeat until the fight is over.
>if a game doesn't have good replayability it's bad
this coming from my big brother who spends thousands of hours playing diablo 2
>>342425591
>Master's Test
Oh man, the game could not set me up even harder to fall when I unlocked that quest.
>Get super cocky after beating caravaneer's challange
>go to all the towns and flaunt off being the best
>Think I'm the big dick dog now
>last person to talk to was ace hunter leader
>"Hey you're so good, take the boss's challange!"
I crashed so damn hard when I saw it unlocked.still beat it though, Apex monsters wer a mistake.
>>342426059
18-22 is the majority
>>342426296
Please do not sexualize snails, thank you.
>>342426335
BS, if you actually do that you never kill a certain boss because he heals himself while attacking.
>>342426229
But what about games like Kamidori which introduce shit like high runes, teleportation and different kinds of movement even when you are 100 hours into it?
Hell, shit like Tobihime kept introducing new character up to the very last level and they all played differently and you could breed them to get even more and better units.
Or visual novels that have twists and you need to be 50 hours into it to get it, or hell, shit like Muv-Luv unlimited where you need to play a whole fucking 200 hours of another VN to get all the references and shit.
How about rune factory games that have like 100000 different mechanics and each one of them require a good 3 hours before you learn them, let alone master them.
Even though you can say these are just tactics to artificially make the games longer, it's still proof that some games can only be enjoyed if you invest a lot of time into them.
Like shit dude, every, single MMO, ever.
>it's good if you stop thinking about it
>about an rpg
I hate people who do shit like that. It's fucking awful.
>DUDE I FUCKING HATE THIS GAME WHEN DOES IT GET GOOD?!
>How long have you been playing it?
>One minute
>Well there's your problem. The mechanics evolve, in about an hour from now you'll be able to -
>FUCK YOU I SHOULDN'T HAVE TO PLAY LIKE, 15 HOURS!!!
>>342426073
>Snail is a god character
>>342421507
Damn, what's wrong with Hachikuji?
>>342426521
That's why he said
>25
>>342426583
i think i have to
sorry
>>342426521
Then my statement is still correct.
>Paying for online and invasive DRM is okay
>Region locking is where I draw the line. I have standards, unlike the rest of you plebs.
>>342426850
implying Snake an Snail arent the best girls
>>342423949
There are some games that foreshadow future events really well in that you only notice it's doing it with the future knowledge.It's more like 12%
"I can't go back and play old games guys, they're TOO PRIMITIVE for me"
>>342426594
That fucker at the end of all those side quests?
Literally just sit in the generic damage dealing setup and army of one whenever he staggers. Heal and buff when he turtles and the fight is over. If you didn't grind just swap a magic fucker for a medic every once in a while. Even FF14 has better bosses.
>>342422307
>>342421852
This is a frequent occurrence though. It took me quite a bit to get into great games, like Mount & Blade. Same goes for TV shows. I literally had to watch the entire first season of GOT before I started enjoying it.
>>342422307
Some games are. Let me ask you something, do you play Mario Party with CPUs? Or do you play it with friends?
>>342426412
Apex Blos is pretty much a test of how much the RNG likes you. If he decides to charge around forever, you're fucked and you won't kill him before your wystone runs out and Apex Jho comes out.
The alternative is getting enough raw damage that you can kill it before (or right after) it turns Apex, which is what most people do with Master's Test.
Apex Steve and Apex Jho however are somewhat fun to fight so the Master's Test counts as a good, fair challenge despite the presence of Blos.
>>342426850
You got that right.
>>342427692
After about 5 hours with Star Fox Zero, I did come to like it. I initially did not enjoy myself, but after I got gud, it was legitimately enjoyable. Not saying this is the case for everything, but some games do demand a bit of time.
>super smash bros 4 wii u and 3ds are good games
>>342426059That isn't actually true, the majority of people here are pretty normal. They just pretend to be NEET
>>342427840
The fucking blos was the biggest problem and it really didn't help I was doingblastGS to dish out more damage because I couldn't be assed to figure out how to use Teostra SnS and didn't have Crimson Fatty's best Insect Glaive.
I don't know which was worse, the dance or him hididng underground forever and making me wait, I think I actually had to craft farcasters just to get out and wait for the stones to recharge rather than deal with that bullshit.
>If a game doesn't give me an hour per dollar it isn't a good deal
Kek, just add filler.
>>342428120
>Brawl is a bad game because *insert esport reason here*
>>342428120
They're certainly not bad games. I got tired of Smash after Melee but 4 isn't a bad addition to the series.
"This game doesn't become a hentai until 20 hours in"Kamidori Alchemist Meister
>>342428341
yeah it is
its literally the worst fucking one
>>342426850
But Nadeko was the only god character.
>>342428261
i didn't fucking say that
brawl = fun
smash 4 = jewish cash grab boring shit gay community ass gameplay
>>342428709
Okay, just making sure and adding my idea of something stupid people say.
>>342421852
>a movie that is only good in the second half is a shit movie
>a book that is only good in the second half is a shit book
>a game that is only good in the second half is considered a good game
This is why nobody takes video games seriously, the bar is so fucking low for a game to be considered "good", if it takes like 5 hours before you can start enjoying the game then the developer has basically robbed you, and then they have the nerve to call you entitled to demand a game be good all the way through as if it's some insane demand or something.
>>342429612
Tale of Two Cities was bad the first half, but I still consider it a good book because of the ending.
>wide as an ocean, deep as a puddle
this just sounds like a fortune cookie quote that people parrot around because it sounds insightful
>>342423021
More like every visual novel ever.
Read Fate
>DUDE THE FIRST ROUTE IS SHIT BUT THE SECOND ONE IS AWESOME
>OH AND THE THIRD ONE IS FUCKING COOL BUT YOU NEED TO ENDURE LIKE 10 HOURS OF COOKING LOL
Read Muv Luv
>DUDE THE FIRST TWO GAME SUCK ASS
>AND THE THIRD ONE TAKES LIKE 5 HOURS OF EXPOSITION UNTIL IT GETS GOOD
>AND THERE'S A CHAPTER THAT'S NOTHING BUT EXPOSITION LOL
Read G Senjou No Maou
>DUDE 15 HOURS OF BORING MISTERY UNTIL YOU GET TO THE LAST ROUTE WHICH IS WAESOME
And that's where I decided to get over Visual Novels, I enjoyed them, specially Fate and Muv Luv, but I just don't have the patience anymore.
>>342423458
Every time I try and play Skyrim again I find myself bailing out before I even really start. That fucking cart ride sucks to do every time, then that whole little intro dungeon, and then the first few quests all suck. I wish there was a way to drop into the game right after the first shout quest.
>>342424462
I see a whole pack of best girls in there
>>342426726
>rune factory games that have like 100000 different mechanics
That's a whole lot dude, what mechanics are you even talking about?
>>342428130
>the majority of people here are pretty normal
and i wish they'd get the fuck off of my board
>>342430005
>I wish there was a way to drop into the game right after the first shout quest.
save the game there, use console to edit your details
no need to send me money but I'll take it if you have it
>>342421507
White Orchard in Witcher 3 was a shit hole, however unlike OP's mum witcher gets better after a couple of hours
>>342421507
>30fps it's literally unplayable
>they recommend me TWEWY for DS
>Try it
>Protagonist is annoying
>Story is boring
>Music is meh
>Gameplay is confusing as fuck
>Nearly die because I cant control both screens
>Turn it off after an hour
One of the worst games I've played.
>>342430269
I'd say anything below 25 is unplayable and unfortunately 30fps games often slip below that
>>342421507
>BUT LOOK AT THOSE GRAPHICS
>>342430005
>not using Alternate Start
>>342422496
This makes sense. If I made a first person military shooter out of castlevania, it could be a fun and great game, but goddamn it really wouldn't be good as a castlevania game.
>>342430212
Why have I never done this before? I'm a fucking idiot.
>>342423678
>game lets you do thing
>you do thing
>"NOO ANON THAT'S INCORRECT!"
Don't make a soccer game with a headbutt option if using it is "incorrect". Let me figure that out myself through losing rather than being yelled at.
>>342427017
>>342429612
>>a movie that is only good in the second half is a shit movie
>>a book that is only good in the second half is a shit book
says fucking who
>>342421507
>"Please buy it, the sequel will be good, right?"
>*criticize something wrong with a
game*
>Uhh stop complaining and just enjoy the game
Or
>Stop complaining the dev worked really hard on this game!
>>342429612
The Divine Comedy got famous for its first part in hell.
Almost no one cared about the part in heaven.
>>342431278
>you're just being entitled
Damn right. If I pay $60 I'm entitled to get a decent product. Bunch of assholes act like it's a gift.
>>342430802
Or
Or
Or
Some actions are useful in some circumstances and not in others and the game creators respect your intelligence enough to realize that when you're failing to make headway that you should try and experiment instead of needing to be guided.
>>342430823
okane, okane
>>342431310
Yeah naw fuck you Paradiso's fascinating natural philosophy and radiant, shining beauty and joy and delight in creation and love and being was wonderful.
And no, it's just that Inferno is read most often because children can't be bothered to finish the entire thing.
Despite Purgatorio being the best part anyway.
>>342431310
>Divine Comedy
>It's not funny in the slightest
Biggest scam in literature history.
>>342431310
Because that's what people imagine'd hell to be like
>Wow, this teaser makes this just announced game look great!
>How do you know the game will be bad, it's not even out yet?
>x game aged badly
>>342422202
If I'm not hooked before the main menu boots up I snap the disc. And you're fucking high if you think I'm going to read instructions or pay attention to the tutorial, having said that though if I ever get lost I'll uninstall, my time is too valuable to learn.
>>342430823
Not my best work but it'll do
>>342423218
X was probably the worst in the series after 2.
>>342431310
>>342431703
I haven't read this before, but always thought it was just about a dude going to hell to get back his girl. I never knew there were more.I should read more books.
>>342421852
Then there's fucking Vanquish which is FUCKING RADICAL FROM MINUTE ONE.
>>342423218
> X is good
I'm sick of hearing this.
X was the beginning of the end for the series.
>>342421852
I have heard retards here say this numerous time and I kindly tell them to fuck off.
Any good action game of the past.
Example: Devil May Cry 4, requires you to invest a large amount of time to it and it is very rewarding. The things you learn or find out that can be done in that engine (MTFramework) is cuhrayzee.
Check this out that someone like you will never be able to achieve: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Ma3zKo4IaLU
>>342428529
But how though?
>>342432360
Actually, VII ushered in the era of cinematic games with blonde-haired "Heroes".
X is chill as fuck and is the most relaxing FF to play.
>>342432193
>just about a dude going to hell to get back his girl
You may be thinking of the tale of Orpheus, which is a Greek myth. The Divine Comedy is a spiritual/physical journey that the author and his guides (the Roman poet Virgil, followed by a woman that Dante, the author, knew and loved in life, Beatrice, followed by St. Bernard) undertakes in order to return to the true and narrow path and away from his eventual spiritual and religious destruction, navigating first through the entirety of Hell, then Mount Purgatory, followed by the Heavenly bodies to come face to face with God.
>i don't like this ONE weapon and i'll complain about it for about 8 post
>>342426850
Snail IS a god character.
>you can't criticize a shitty mechanic in the new game because it was shit in the previous game too!
>it's a spiritual successor to [insert game which is actually good]
>>342428661
For now.Soon ™.
this place has the absolute worst mindset on video games ever known to man. and the worst taste in anything imaginable.
The problem here is that way too many posters confuse "having enough patience to deal with bullshit mechanics" with "getting good"
>>342433179
>and the worst taste in anything imaginable.
One of the worst.
>>342433331
Most things in life require a little bit of effort to get the most out of them.
Should you play an awful game just to say you did? No probably not. But if you quit a great game because you don't instantly grasp it then you're just the worst kind of person.
>>342421852
>15 hours
>>342422202
Only ever heard americans say anything like this.
Most likely mean americans having greatly shorter attention spans need for instant gratification than actual people isn't a meme after all.
>The repetitive grinding is what makes it hardcore you filthy casual! Git gud!
Fuck all the way off if you think tedium equals difficulty. I understand if some people like grinding in MMOs and RPGs for their own reasons but don't ever conflate it with difficulty.
>I will not play a game is the fanbase is bad
Anyone who thinks this should kill themselves
>>342434171
t. undertalefag
>>342421507
>It's a hidden thread about that weeb anime with the toothbrush porn and "platinum disco" on /v/ episode
>>342434171
It's reasonable if they're talking about an online multiplayer game.
>>342434171
I can see being hesitant about getting a multiplayer game if the community is garbage.
For example, I hate CS:GO but even if I didn't almost every single game had someone in it who made the experience significantly less fun.
>>342434270
He's right, though. Fanbase only matters for multiplayer games because you'll be dealing with it. A singleplayer game that attracts shitheads doesn't matter.
>lmao it's not that the game sucks you're just bad l2p
>>342434171
>>342434171
This is only acceptable if its a pure multiplayer game. If the community is awful its a fair choice to avoid the game.
If it's singleplayer with co-op or a pure singleplayer experience then the person is just being a faggot and might as well go back to arguing with tweens in YouTube comments.
>>342423176
Civ5.....
>>342422626
>Digital only does not make the game bad
How does it? It doesn't make sense that you'd ask a developer to pay cash in order to get a boxed copy out there, it would make the game objectively worse because you have to divert funds away from development.
>>342434171
But if the fanbase is really bad it stays at the back of your mind the entire time you play, and if you want to talk about the game on the internet you have to deal with total autists. It's only natural that would cause somebody to hate the game.
>>342433668
I've never heard any examples of these sorts of games.
Well, beside MMORPGs
>>342433719
Alright, instead of just jumping up someone's ass and being confrontational like half the people on this website, think about why someone might not like something like that instead.
>Games are a form of media that you cannot skip through, at least not without using external tools.
>Games require interaction the whole time, you can't fall asleep to a video game.
>Many games take longer to get through than almost any other medium except books, especially RPG's because of how easily they can inflate their play time with repetitive content and backtracking so they can put shit like "200 hours of gameplay!" on the back without it technically be a lie.
>At the same time, RPG's tend to be way more repetitive and story-heavy than other games, even when not grinding. This isn't everybody's cup of tea but if you like it, cool.
>Gameplay is really boring for 10 hours, which is longer than the vast majority of other media even lasts, then it apparently gets better.
Look, asking someone to do something they don't like for that amount of time, especially when it's something deliberately made to be done in your spare time, just so they can see "the good part" of the game you like, somehow that makes you ADHD or something, and not only that but apparently that describes everyone in the USA. Especially if you're working for 8 hours a day and you don't want to spend a 3-4 days worth of free time on a game that you're not enjoying.Also, as someone with ADHD, I take offense to you suggesting that people with mental disabilities are somehow subhuman, but I'll try to ignore that bit.
Call me "autistic" if you want but I had to elaborate on that. Don't be an ass just because someone doesn't "get" how awesome your leisure time activity gets after spending 20 hours fighting the same fight over and over.
>>342422202
I can understand a game having to take time to get you truly immersed but if it has to take a while to actually become good it's shit
>>342434694
FF13 is a hallway that leads to a hub world for more hallways about 20 hours in.
Hearing the term "Long Hallway" in the FFXV demo made me cringe.
>>342433179
imo /v/ has fairly patrician taste in videogames compared to the rest of the internet.
>>342434550
"omg dmc3 sucks they put you up against this ice dog and it's impossible no one could beat this what a dumb game"
>>342434690
That's so shallow, it's not the games fault that you or anyone else is a massive faggot.
>>342434989
A tiny minority of /v/ has decent taste. A lot of people here actually consider Skyrim a good game. Which as we all know disqualifies you from good opinion-ville.
>>342434690
Dark Souls arguably has one of the most memetic and annoying fanbases in videogames with a notable reputation of being tryhard faggots who can't stop talking about how their circlestrafe simulator is so hardcore but you don't see me frothing at the mouth when I look at the catalog.
>>342421507
>people who claim a game is good because "muh 100 hour story"
Fuck you people. I've attempted multiple 100+ hour games (mostly JRPGs). They all suffer from snails pace meandering non-sensical stories and gameplay that you experience in its fullest about 5-10 hours in. Worst so far was Star Ocean 4. I was 40 hours in an still didn't know what the fuck was going on. I blew up an alternate Earth, somehow travelled back to my own dimension through sheer luck, stopped off at hick planet so that one of my party members could go full emo over a woman he spent literally all of thirty minutes with even though his buddy just genocided an entire alternate earth minus one of the most annoying cat girls in existance.
These 100+ hour games are just shit and they overstay their welcome at about 50 hour mark.
>>342435205
Nobody thought Star Ocean 4 was good who fucking lied to you?
>>342435141
Most people here use it as a sex simulator.
>>342434752
There's literally no games that throw massloads of totally new stuff at you 10 hours in. If you don't like the game after reasonable time to explore the mechanics and plot, then it's just not for you, and that's okay.
>>342435338
Those people aren't the ones arguing the quests and combat etc are anything but dogshit.
>>342426147
Sup sir faggolot.
>>342435050
I am aware it's not the games fault, but it's not the players fault if they don't like a game.
>>342435196
There's a difference between disliking a fanbase and getting physically angry like you are describing.
>>342435205
Lol, this is Mega Cock caliber pasta
>>342435483
>and getting physically angry like you are describing.
I did not mean that literally. I was implying I do not have a dislike of Dark Souls just because it's fanbase is filled with faggots.
>>342434690
>it stays at the back of your mind the entire time you play
If you're autistic, maybe.
I can't remember what game it was for but I remember hearing someone say a game didn't get good until you got to new game plus.
I've also heard the original Muv-Luv described as "shit until you replay it."
>>342435385
That's not the way it works though. You put your best, most creative parts first, and then you start ass raping your audience with tough as shit challenges.
Kinda like Battletoads
>>342421507
>It's so comfy!
Really getting tired of seeing "comfy". It's almost always used on a game that people know is bad but they like anyway. It's called a guilty pleasure, it's not fucking "comfy".
>>342435809
Lots of good games are comfy
I find Shadowman comfy
>>342435809
I usually substitute the phrase "I briefly don't feel miserable when I play this game". It makes more sense to read it that way and I think on some level that's how a lot of people mean it.
>>342435790
>I've also heard the original Muv-Luv described as "shit until you replay it."
how does that work
>>342423218
FFXIII has a better combat system then FFXV
>>342435809
Comfy lost all sense of fucking meaning on 4chan ever since Euro Truck Simulator.
>>342435321
My buddy who loves all things Star Ocean. He 100% 4. I needed a JRPG for PS3. He told me to get 4.
I have 5 preordered. Why? I like the ideas behind Star Ocean combat (also Tales combat, I have Tales of Xillia but haven't finished it because other games at the time distracted me on my PC and I've been away from it so long I'd have to start the game over). And all 5 has to do is NOT be like 4. And all signs point to it being nothing like 4.
>>342434989
I think your opinion is bad. This place as a whole acts way too elitist when it comes to video games and in turn shows how narrow their views are.
>>342435809
The Long Dark is what I would consider a comfy game, it's not a good game but it isn't terrible either. It's pleasant and dull, but not a guilty pleasure.
>>342436074
Supposedly on the second time you play it you pick up on all the subtle foreshadowing, since you've seen what happens by then.
>>342435532
That ain't pasta, twatwaffle.
>>342435934
literally none of that makes sense
>>342436074
If he's referring to Extra it's because it's absolutely filled with foreshadowing that all makes sense after playing Ultimate/Alternative
Personally I thought Extra was decent and necessary buildup, but I have a high tolerance for that kind of shit and understand why so many disliked it
>>342435934
Describe comfy. I'm bored of people spouting the word in oblivion threads yet failing to give a coherent response on what it actually means.
>>342436086
Yeah, FFXV feels like a poorly-programmed beat-em-up.
>>342435809
Comfy seems to always involve soft colors, fire places and locations you'd want to live in.
>>342436197
>He 100% 4
You should get your friend tested for autism
>>342436274
There are some works that are better appreciated on a second playthrough/watch/read.
But I just have a hard time accepting that I'll get that from Muv Luv, it looks cool but also really bad at the same time.
>>342436086
FF13 has one of the better combat systems in the series. Buffs and debuffs and status is actually useful. Chaining involves more thought than just hitting attack and healing occasionally which is what I did in random battles for the other games.
>>342436086
>>342436464
is this bait?
>>342436464
feels like a slightly better type 0 but hey it least it had character switching
>>342429821
DUDE
>>342423818
You can say it get's good at Gran Pulse but by then your at ch 11 out of 13, and the areas right after it and all the way until the end are just like the first 10 chapters (a corridor simulator).
Even then all Gran Pulse is in terms of gameplay is a big open field with nothing but high level enemies and optional missions to defeat more high level enemies.
>>342422349
That's basically the argument of every MMO. Hence why I stay the fuck away from them all. Because what that typically means is you handle the pain for so long that you begin to Stockholm Syndrome the shit and think its better than it is.
>>342427751
Both.
>>342422619
Sonyggers and their movie games.
>>342436747
FOOD IN THE BOMBS
>"I only buy games with good graphics."
>>342436747
THE IN FOOD BOMBS
>>342421507
My cousin said this about Final Fantasy 13
I never saw it getting good.Fuck you Dougand your shit taste
>>342437067
Absolutely this. I believe everybody should at one point in their life own a toaster so they can realize good graphics are a luxury, not a necessity.
>>342436828
>Tfw Tree of Savior
It was fucking painful watching people defend that game. Didn't matter what your criticism was, you were just a casual crybaby for not sucking gook cock and thanking them for their awful coding, laughably simplistic stat system and damage formulas that made most skills useless, horrible AI, linear maps and the game in general being poorly optimized.
And I still managed to put 400 fucking hours into that game.
