Is this game proof that if you repeat a lie enough, it becomes the truth?
I've never heard anything but praise for Wind Waker, but I played it for the first time recently, and it was one of the most joyless, utterly miserable experiences of my life.
>>342380981
Maybe you just have poor taste.
FUCK YOU MAN
ARGHHH
>>342381260
Nintendo isn't watching, you absolute tard. you can stop pretending it's good.
>>342380981
FUCK YOU
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>>342380981
You just don't like the game then (assuming you're being honest and not just being a shitter for the sake of argument).
Wind Wanker is a great game
>>342381471
WInd Waker is one of my faves. where did you stop playing?
Good ideas, shit execution: The game
>>342380981
ADHD detected.
People have different tastes. I liked it.
It's almost like people can dislike things that are liked by the majority, and vice versa.
>>342380981
You have to remember that Wind Waker is old as shit. A lot of these people played it as a kid when they had much fewer options for games to play
the forest temple at the beginning is straight up garbage
>here's a key item, the deku leaf, for doing absolutely nothing
>I really hope you like these pod staircases
>boss is PISS easy
>have to sit through the deku celebration which nobody cares about
>THE THIRD ORB IS LITERALLY JUST GIVEN TO YOU
>LITERALLY
It was released in 2003. Most of /v/ was underage and this was their first Zelda game so it looked and felt good to them. Nostalgia kicks in and you've got an overrated game that looks like shit today.
It's a meme game.
The visual may appeal some but the game itself is very poor.
Piss easy, only 5 short dungeons, little side quests, you spend a lot of time sailing, have to visit more than 40 islands and give the fucking bait to the fish to complete the map and so on.
I can't take anyone seriously when they say this is the best Zelda.
>>342380981
>I heard someone say they liked something but I dislike it, who'd a thunk other people have different opinions to me?
every thread on this goddamn board
>>342382075
Were the reviewers who gave it unanimously good scores also kids?
>>342380981
Nah its shit especially after watching the Zelda tech demo of what it could of been. The problem is there's so many better looking cell shaded games during that gen ww looks like piss. Then add to the fact you have to sail across a monochromatic sea the blends into the monochromatic sky made it bland as fuck. I don't even have to mention how toon link killed zelda
As far as Zelda games go it's fucking weak
Worst gameplay of any of them, easily
Great atmosphere and artstyle though.
>>342382430
>great artstyle
good joke
>>342382087
>here's a key item, the deku leaf, for doing absolutely nothing
Are you going to bitch about being given the lantern for free in LttP too? The game would have so few items if they were only given in dungeons.
>have to sit through the deku celebration which nobody cares about
I think you hate fun. Shit was cute.
>>342380981
some people love it, some hated it.
i'm a sucker for exploration and sailing in general and being able to go wherever the fuck i want made me love this game.
MM>TP>OoT>WW>SS
Facts; fight me.
>>342382543
>lantern
>key item
WEW
Artstyle has really stood the test of time, but it has the weakest dungeons of the 3D Zeldas.
>Man I didnt like this game..
>How could other people enjoy it?!
>Better make a retarded thread to validate my opinion!
>>342382362
>Zelda tech demo of what it could of been
Nigga do you not know what a tech demo is? They just used that to show off the power of the 'cube. It was never a game and was never meant to be one. That scene is literally all that ever existed, and is the only thought that ever went into it.
>>342382362
>the Zelda tech demo of what it could of been
A clone of OoT with better graphics? You got that with TP.
>>342380981
I only played it back when it was released, I remember enjoying it a lot, even if I remember that the sailing grew a bit stale towards the end of the game. I liked exploring the map and finding new islands, I think once you've revealed most of the map navigating feels more like a chore.
I remember enjoying it much more than Twilight Princess at least.
>>342380981
I thought it was a good game, butt I still liked MM and OoT more.
Both made us gain power as an adult or as another form, which I really liked.
I'm a bit biased I guess, since I dislike most cartoony or open world games.
>windwaker fans will defend this
>>342380981
No, it just means that you hate sailing and like Zelda games that actually have some bite.
WW is 90% sailing and was the easiest zelda on release. If you find the idea of sailing an ocean to be kinda dull or not the hypest shit ever you'll probably hate WW.
>>342382802
That's only during the tutorial isn't it? I don't really see the problem with it. How do you think they could have handled that better?
>>342383061
if you consider the first 3 dungeons you have to do a tutorial, sure
>How do you think they could have handled that better?
gee thats a toughie. They could...not have it?
>>342380981
Played it for first time last year.
It was good, it felt like adventure (when you were allowed to sail wherever you wanted), but islands felt pretty empty. Sea could've more encounters as well, because just sailing can get boring quite fast.
Combat was easy, bosses as well. Last encounter was pretty hype, but when I got to the last cutscene, I was kinda dissapointed at last encounter. It made me feel pumped at first, but it needed few button presses to get through.
I loved style, even though I could emulate it at just x2 or something.
Personally I didnt find Triforce hunting to be chore, only problematic part was ghost ship, because I forgot what one fish said, so I ended up sailing through ghost ship few times.
Solid title overall, but kinda short (dungeons amount and their lenghts), not hard (but were zelda games ever about difficulty?) and game tried too hard to handhold you through some puzzles.That said, I think Minish Cap was more fun.
Depends on your definition of truth, be it reality or merely a perception of consistent belief. As for WW, I don't think it's bad but it's my least favorite 3D Zelda for sure. Sailing is fine but the core gameplay and pacing is below par for the series.
>>342382789
>like OoT
>dislike most cartoony
Did we play the same game? Ocarina of time is anime as fuck. The style is pretty anime, although held back by the N64's graphical power: just look into Link's eyes. All the girls are anime tropes. We got childhood friend who will never win, dere fish tits, ara ara milf sand nigger, etc. etc.
>>342382508
I also hated the art style.
To be honest looking back a lot of the zelda games are pretty shitty
Honestly, Wind Waker isn't that great.
I feel that the strongest point of the game is the visuals, which help make the game appear more charming, but it quickly lost that charm when it was reused for like 5 other games.
Without the art direction I think the game would be utterly soulless. The dungeons are bland, the overworld isn't really exciting, islands are dull and repetitive, and it had a ton of potential that ultimately gets wasted. Underwater, decayed Hyrule could've been fantastic but it failed.
The game feels very unfinished and it baffles me that Nintendo remade the game without adding in anything substantial.
The Triforce hunting quest is also pure garbage.For some reason I really loved Phantom Hourglass though
>>342380981
Sounds like you've had a pretty good life, if playing Zelda is was one of the worst experiences of your life. Be grateful.
best Ganondorf
best Zelda
best Link
>>342383276
I meant the cartoon-like or drawing lookalike graphics.
Don't get me wrong, they look great butt it's just not to my own liking.
>Ppl are hating on Wind Waker now
The cycle continues. Which Zelda are we supposed to like now?
>>342383530
Some days I wonder if I enjoyed PH more than WW. I mean, at least I've replayed PH before. Can't say that for WW.
>>342383612
>best Zelda
Fuck no.
Okamiis best Zelda game
>>342383764
>now
WW has been shat on by people who aren't impressed by the superficial for years now. Its aesthetic is sincerely its strongest asset, always has been. It is THE Zelda for people who want "comfy" games.
>>342380981
Shit dungeons
Cut content
OoT rehash but in water
QTE combat
Overworld is a flat empty layer of blue
Triforce padding to increase game length
Why this piece of trash is praised is beyond me.
Babbies' first Zelda and nostalgia, I assume.
>>342383764
Ugh, all those "cell shaded" texture packs are fucking atrocious looking. Jesus Christ. Who played that and thought it looked good enough to share with other people?
>>342383150
faggiest writing style I've ever seen
>>342384042
>I have no argument, better bitch about how he types
>>342383841
Nice argument. I'm convinced.
>>342380981
It's a good Zelda game, but the sailing has not aged well, and it's overrated as fuck among the Zelda community as it's 'le contrarian game'
>>342383976
Too ironic for me.
>>342384107
I don't care about "his" opinion, I just wanted to tell him that the way he writes is embarassing
WW HD is literally a 10/10 game tho, maybe games isn't the hobby for you OP
>>342383579
That's pretty deep.
I'm going through the fucking triforce shard hunt right now and it's so tedious that I keep dropping it for other games
>>342384408
>same deadzone input loss/delay as TP HD
haha, fuck no
>>342380981
>finished
>one of the most joyless, utterly miserable experiences of my life.
Why would you subject yourself to it, surely you realized it was shit halfway through
>>342384408
Had they not ruined the art style it would be
>>342384170
Tetra might as well be a different character because of how much she changed once she became Zelda.
WW's Zelda is as shallow as the one in Zelda 1.
>>342384408
WWHD doesn't fix the shit dungeons or combat or overworld, though. All it does is "fix" the sailing and triforce hunt.
>>342383764
SS obviously.
>>342381471
>tard
Yeah, you have bad taste. Sorry, man.
>>342384472
They fixed it somewhat in the Wii U version so now half of the shards are in the chests you would have found the charts in in the Gamecube version.
>>342380981
Try WWHD if you can, it resolved some issues with the pacing of the game.
>>342384215
>it's overrated
don't hang out on forums but this place circlejerked about majora's mask for years. now we're just seeing the elementary schoolers that grew up playing the game being vocal and jaded early 20 somethings raving about it on social media / forums etc. it's transient. twilight princess is already regularly being talked about now and will overtake if it hasn't already.
for the record I like wind waker and twilight princess. you guys are trying too hard to rush over here to the secret club and shit on it because other places are talking about it now
>>342384479
lmao what is this street fighter? get real, the game controls fine
>>342384517
IMO they improved it, I like it much more in the remake, but I'd love to see some comparison pics if you have them
>>342384565
>dungeons or combat or overworld
dungeons are great mate what the hell are you talking about? what's wrong with the overworld? yeah to combat is so and so, but it's serviceable
>>342382087
Eat shit my dude
>>342383764
I truly believe we're at the point where a good bulk of people can see the mediocrity of all the post- MM Zelda. Only normies, casuals, or young nostalgiafags think they're amazing.
>>342384864
>dungeons are great mate what the hell are you talking about?
WW dungeons are fucking garbage. What are you talking about?
>>342384864
no, it absolutely does not. Ive ran straight into walls when holding the stick left, and rolled into doors at least 3 times just trying to open them. Not to mention the gyroscope fucking up If Im trying to aim the grappling hook or boomerang
>>342384565
It's preferable to stoic or waifu pandering versions.
I never said deep, I said best.
>>342384824
I dunno, TP HD just released and reception seems fairly divided around here. I'm a TPfag so I dig it but I still put up with a lot of shitting on my favorite game. Being a TP fan on /v/ still requires some tough skin.
Game becomes fun once you get a cannon.
Worst part of the game was first dungeon and Gannondorf sneaking around shit.
>>342384916
kiss my ass, my man
I see the zelda cycle is taking place. won't be long now till people start praising skyward sword.
>>342380981
do you even know how joy feels?
>>342381790
not OP, but i stop where I need to take the bird girl to a temple, she was sitting on the boat i remember, it was 3 weeks ago before I stop playing
i dont know why, maybe the ocean is a little too empty
>>342385185
That's been happening for a few months now.
>>342384916
>>342385169
>>342385242
best posts ITT
>>342384492
>finished
OP never said that.
>what is reading comprehension
>>342385185
People are already putting SS in the "It wasn't THAT bad, I liked X!" position.
>>342382087
dragon roost shrine > forest temple... the rest of the dungeons aren't good. tower of gods is very straight forward, tons of redundant statue crawling with the command melody, recycling of n64 environment interactions (shoot the eye on the wall with an arrow etc). the mirror shield dungeon copy pastes mirror shield antics again and the puzzles are blocks that are pushed along blatant trenches. the other dungeon is annoying with the deku leaf and both it and the previous one are escort dungeons.
>>342385536
forest temple basically just copied the fire temple from OoT with the vines popping out of the ground like the flame walls
>>342381260
>>342381617
>>342381983
>>342384408
>>342384730
>>342385242
Like Pavlov dogs, the Nintendo manchildren hear something bad about their favourite toy and literally can't help themselves.
Which abridged of WW is your favorite? Who made it.
>>342385513
I liked SS enough to play through it twice and I think it has its good points but like hell I'll call it a great Zelda. I do think it's better than WW though, however much that says.
how was I supposed to know to use the seagull to get one of the triforce charts?
>>342385765
I skipped the game when it came out on GC, only played the Wii U remaster like a year ago, it's one of the best games ever made hands down
holy shit /v/ is a cesspool of retardery
>>342384864
>dungeons are great mate what the hell are you talking about
WW has the worst 3D Zelda dungeons
>>342386057
And we have a new banner.
>>342385169
No, I'm too busy not being a fucktard with awful taste as yourself
>>342386452
too busy getting some preperation H for your ass
>>342380981
>07/09/2007
Oh man it has been a while. This thread is making me want to replay it.
>3D Zelda is good meme
Lol
Why can't Zelda fans take any level of critique? This thread and 8.8 are the perfect examples of it.
Wind Waker isn't BAD
But it's always kinda struck me with this sense of "...that's it?"
>Five dungeons. MAYBE six if you really stretch the definition
...that's it?
>Every single island in the game is maybe twenty feet across, barring the big towns and major event locations, of which, there's only five or six of, and the vast majority of which you only ever visit once
...that's it?
>Eight key items (By comparison, Ocarina of time has ten, and Twilight Princess has 16)
...that's it?
>Ganondorf only has one form, and he dies after three hits
...that's it?
Again, what's there isn't bad. The game as currently constituted is incredibly well made and engaging and fun and evokes that spirit of adventure and plunging into the unknown that Zelda is known for.
It just also happens to have massive, obvious gaps in its content.
Also, while I was 12 when the game first came out, I didn't get a gamecube and didn't play it fully until I was well into my 20s, and I'm pretty sure that had a negative impact on my feelings about it.
>>342386732
It's a game for small children give it a rest dude.
>>342383764
Oot = 9/10
MM = 9/10
WW = 7/10
TP = 7.5/10
SS = 5/10
BotW = ??? (Looks like it might be at least a solid 8, possibly a 9 if the game lives up, I highly doubt it'll be worse than SS)
Zelda cycle is a myth. There is am obvious drop in quality after the 64 games, with SS hitting rock bottom. BotW will probably break the trend.
>>342386792
>Also, while I was 12 when the game first came out,
kill yourself, your opinion doesn't matter secondary trash.
>>342380981
it seems like you can't make up your own mind so you had v do it for you
>>342386881
>>342386881
>>342386881
>8.8
>>342386564
More like I'm getting it for your ass
>>342380981
Well we can't force you to have fun
>>342380981
I'm 29 years old, have played almost every Zelda game (not the oracles, Four Swords or Cd-I), started with the first game, and I really enjoyed Wind Waker. Not as good as Ocarina, Twilight Princess, or aLttP, which I consider the best of the series, but still a very comfy, fun game.
If you want to talk about bad Zelda games, there's Zelda II, Skyward Sword, Spirit Tracks and Phantom Hourglass. As for soulless; Triforce Heroes and Skyward Sword..
>>342385297
It's...an ocean though.
>botw is just windwaker on land
>with a bit more TECHNOLOGY
I'm okay with this.
>>342387028
I was actually gonna put 8.8 for TO, but that's honestly too high, unless we use the skewed modern scale, then:
Oot : 9.8
MM: 10
WW: 8
TP: 8.8
SS: 6
>>342387201
That's not to say I thought Wind Waker was challenging, but I felt discovering new islands was really great. I liked the world and the characters, the cutscenes. One of my favorite moments comes from Wind Waker, where you finally reach Aryll, and make your way to the top to face off with the Helmaroc King.
>>342380981
old windwaker sucks, remastered fixed a lot of problems because you dont have to pause the game the whole time to get something from your inventory and there now is a sail that automatically changes the wind to be behind you.
One of the main things that zelda players like about zelda is how "full" the world is and Wind Waker is just not as eventful but that's the point. I love Wind Waker and hate Majora's Mask.
>>342386851
Not him but by Nintendo's standards that's really bad game design
>>342380981
>Is this game proof that if you repeat a lie enough, it becomes the truth?
No, otherwise you'd be 6'4 with a 10 inch cock that's not a virgin.
>>342387007
Wow, so hostile. Why?
>>342387749
Go back to 9gag. Actually, you can take /v/. This place has been garbage for the longest time. Fucking neo-/v/.
>>342382335 #
I unironically like this board for that reason. People here are extremely honest and they will tell you if they find your opinions shit. This actually allows for people to discuss videogames without ending in the typical "i disagree but well thats ur opinion and i respect it :^)" crap, which allows for great criticism that you won't find in other forums. Or it can devolve in a baseless flame war. It's unpredictable, and that's why this place is gold.
>>342386881
Unrelated, but I can imagine BoTW scoring low 8s for not being "Zelda" while Skyward Sword got 10s/9s even though the game was incredibly dull and an insult to the Zelda series.
>>342388051
>they dont like this game I like!
>fucking Neo /v/!
>>342380981
I dunno dude, kill yourself I guess?
Or maybe people just like different shit
I don't know, tough choices.
>>342388210
>Didn't even read what was replied to
>Doesn't even know what he's talking about
>Calling someone a baby for wanting neo-/v/ to leave
>Capitalizing "Neo" for no reason
Holy shit, what happened.I like Wind Waker you fucking autist.
>>342385297
have replayed the initial part of wind waker 7 or 8 times, and always stop before Zelda is left in the basement. fully completed it twice and the second time felt like a massive chore.
it starts a bit slow, but after getting the sail it peaks with dragoon roost island, dips a bit in the forest haven, and gets good again during the storm before the tower of gods despite the axed dungeon. after that it just stops being interesting.
ganondorf is made out to be a big threat, with the game's prologue and that eerie shit with greatfish isle. then he's confronted with the master sword and there's tension since it doesn't work. but then the dragon farts on him and he just disappears, doesn't seem to do anything (except kidnap zelda while you were gone lol) and there's never any more urgency or anything interesting going on in the narrative, just a bunch of fetchquests (go get this guy you already met, and that girl you already met, triforce hunt etc). it feels like they got 2 dungeons complete and the rest of the game is padded
>>342388051
>underage
>complains about neo /v/
>>342388210
Why are you crying?
>>342385765
And this is any different from: uncharted fags, souls niggers, and witcher drones how exactly?
>>342388065
>Took the time to delete his post about why /v/ is gold and edit out SJW.
lmao senpai.
>>342386732
>making a decent puzzle terrible with handholding
I feel like there were some retarded play testers involved.
>>342385765
Like the typical /v/ poster, he shitposts about a game knowing it will get backlash in hopes of people biting the bait.
>>342380981
>>342380981
Lots of people on /v/ were the right age to play it as a kid and now defend the game blindly. Do not even try criticizing it, WWfags refuse to acknowledge it's actually worst Zelda (or at least worst 3D zelda).
>>342386732
Was it like that in the original?
>>342382087
The Deku Leaf is one of the most useful items in all of Zelda.
>>342388914
Nah, SS was miles worse.
Where is the "kill everyone on this board" button
>>342388913
KEK
STOP GIVING THIS THREAD (YOU)'S!!!
MODS PLEASE BAN EVERYONE BELOW THIS LINE.
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>>342389015
thats not what I was complaining about, genius
you get it for literally just walking up to the tree
>>342381469
I love this post
>>342388914
OoT is horrible.
>>342389124
>>342389137
why do windwaker babies get so hostile
>>342389139
So what?
WW would be great with 3 or 4 more dungeons.
>>342389260
so I want to feel like I actually had to earn it, not just sit through a cutscene
>>342388490
want to add though that one major appeal of the game is sailing around in the ocean and finding islands and outposts, and the mystery surrounding them. just the scenery when new is interesting. the thing is, if you're familiar with the game and know what to expect, it loses its appeal and becomes a job getting around.
formerly liked majora's mask, though that game also has lame dungeons. the appeal then was the lore, and mystery of the world. it was appealing as a teenager. as an adult, it's glaringly superficial and without that the game doesn't have much going for it
>>342389139
>>342389353
You do realize they did that on purpose as a key item to introduce the player to key items right? It's almost like you want the first key item in every game to be so horrible that you never use it again.
>I want to feel like I actually had to earn it.
I haven't felt like I have earned anything while playing a zelda game past Oracle of Ages. You want to earn shit? Play Zelda 2.
>>342389616
so they used it to introduce key items AFTER you got the Grappling hook and telescope?
>>342388914
I'd argue it's much less of a /v/ thing, and more of a Nintendo fan thing. They give good games excessive praise as if they were the best thing they've ever played and are incredibly vocal Abd defensive about their opinions.
It really struck me when I played the first Xenoblade and Awakening, both of which are fine games, but treated by fans as if they were some of the best games ever, and both definitely overrated within their genres. Good games mind you, but no ZOMG THE BEST GAME I'VE EVER PLAYED GLOP GLOP GLOP, like most Nintendo fans treat them.
They even do this for bad and mediocre games, and get very defensive when people disagree. Like with XCX, or like you see ITT.
It's almost like Nintendo fans ONLY play Nintendo games, thus they lack a point of reference to compare said games to.
Back to Awakening, it's a great SRPG, but TO is better. Totally recommend it, but people need to pay off the praise.
>>342389708
why don't you think you earned it? had to grapple up the river to get there
>>342389890
because it wasnt even remotely difficult.
>>342385765
>trying to sound smart by using an analogy that doesnt work
>>342390002
Not him, but it works just fine.
Pavlov was all about conditioning and behavioral psychology.
That anon is saying that drones have been conditioned to react defensively almost instantaneously to any negate criticism of Nintendo games.
Try brushing up on some basic psych before saying dumb shit again. I understood him just fine.
>>342380981
>says controversial opinion, doesn't support it with any reasoning
>thinks "I didn't like it" is sufficient enough as if anyone cares who you are
You are the worst kind of faggot, OP.
>>342390479
I understand it, but how have Nintendrones been conditioned exactly?
>>342383276
>OoT is anime as fuck
Kill yourself or someone else will.
>>342380981
It's great in the presentation and aesthetic department, but falls apart in actual gameplay.
Piss-easy difficulty.
Laughable dungeons
Horrible pacing.
Backtreading.
Empty overworld.
Lots of padding.
It gets a lot of praise because it was babby's first Zelda for the majority of /v/'s current userbase; the nostalgia stuck with overtime and they've developed rose-tinted glasses to cover its flaws.
IE - someone who played the game when they were 12. Yes, it holds a place in my heart, but I won't deny that it's a deeply flawed game that devastated Zelda's recognition and and disappointed many due to its shortcomings or failures.
>>342386732
I appreciate oldfag opinions bit this is the worst.
Zelda was always designed with 3D space in mind.
>>342383764
>Which Zelda are we supposed to like now?
Twilight Princess.
I don't think Skyward Sword will ever become part of the Zelda cycle though, it was just that fucking bad. Depends on whether or not BoTW will exceed some expectations.
>>342391825
I was 12 when WW came out and it's still my least favorite of the 3D Zeldas.
>>342392090
>Twilight Princess.
Really? Seems like not that long ago everyone on the internet was shitting mercilessly on that game
>>342392090
One, SS fags have already been coming out of the clockwork. Two, BotW looks like such a design departure from SS that I can easily see linear vs. non-linear design fights in the years to come over it. The climate is shaping up to suit such arguments well.
You're 100% right OP. It's nothing but a chore all the way through.
>>342392237
Yes, but now the kids who're started off with TP are grown now, and shitposting their opinions on 4chan.
The last truly astonishing game still remains to be OoT, imo. And I know that isn't just my nostalgia talking. We will never get another Zelda like it again that delivers ambition, revolutionary game machanics, polish and scope.
>>342392237
TP is 9 years old, going on 10. I was 15 when it came out and I'm a grad school student now.
>>342392702
I'd say MM and the Oracles, while not OoT levels of revolutionary, were still great entries. No Zelda has done sidequesting like MM has and the Oracles were very ambitious for early 2000's handheld titles.
>>342392463
>One, SS fags have already been coming out of the clockwork.
Have they really? I always get the impression that at least half of them are shitposters just trying to rustle the rest of /v/'s Zelda community.
Speaking of BoTW - if it's nonlinear approach becomes such a success, then I wonder how they'll try to surpass it with future iterations to come. Or how children or younger/newer fans will react to the older games and classics that came before it.
>>342393158
You know that Miyamoto pasta about Zelda fans not knowing what they want? Calling it right now, that trend will continue as people who played SS when they were 12 start really speaking their voices.
>>342392963
I'll also agree on MM and OoT, both of which were responsible for some pretty revolutionary game mechanics for their time (hell 15 years later and there still isn't another game like MM out there today) but both had some obvious glaring flaws that separated them from being truly well-rounded and great like OoT.
>>342388880
Not him, but it sure worked on you and a handful of others.
>>342393691
>hell 15 years later and there still isn't another game like MM out there today
You never played any of the Way of the Samurai games I presume?
>>342380981
name a similar game like it.
it's like RDR getting praise despite not being that great overall.
>>342392963
Oracles were good, but I don't think they were quite the level of greatness of OoT or MM when they were released. In my opinion, Minish Cap is the best Capcom Zelda.
only zelda i've bothered to finish.
>>342394093
The Oracles are my favorite 2D Zeldas so that's really why I stick up for them. MC is good but it never really got under my skin.
>>342391825
Pretty much this. I don't know if it's nostalgia though because I played it when I was 11 and I just didn't think it was that great compared to OoT and MM. I didn't like how the dungeons felt easier or how much empty space there was in the sea.
I will say that it's the best looking game in the series though and probably the one with the best plot too.
>>342380981
It's shit. WW fags and their game are utter cancer. Don't let anyone tell you otherwise.
>>342380981
>It's another "STOP LIKING WHAT I DON'T LIKE!" episode
Why were all the dungeons in WW so boring?
>>342393937
Sometimes the only way out of a shitpost is through it. That's how every good Metroid thread starts.
>>342395105
>I don't know if it's nostalgia though because I played it when I was 11 and I just didn't think it was that great compared to OoT and MM.
No, you're not alone. I felt the same way when playing it honestly. It just wasn't nearly as good, revolutionary and/or polished as those that came before it. But the aesthetics, art direction, story and charm were so damn good and full of soul that it managed to overcome the poor gameplay for me. But in the end, I was still largely disappointed, even more so for the lack of a dungeon for the third pearl and old Hyrule being such a wasted concept. Almost wish they hadn't taken us to the bottom of the ocean entirely.
>>342383160
>but were zelda games ever about difficulty?
The nes ones were.
>>342394093
Minish cap suffers from being too easy and not ambitious enough. Also the trading quests are tedious more than interesting, and I feel like they weren't creative enough with the size changing.
In fact, as far as portables god, I only put Minish Cap above Spirit Tracks, which hands down is the biggest piece of officially licensed Zelda turds that Nintendo has ever shat out.
Here's the deal-- WW, TP, and SS all suffer from having fucking HORRIBLE pacing/handholding issues and all have glaring QoL flaws. How do you fuck up so badly that you think the sailing was perfect as is or railroading players in a fucking ZELDA GAME is a good idea? Let me wander off and get buttfucked. I don't understand how anyone can defend the pacing of all of those games.
>>342380981
I think it's a good game but has real pacing issues.
Start of game, sailing, and stealth sections are slow and dull, the rest feels a little underdone and rushed.
Some dungeons are a bit fiddly and tedious but each Zelda game has a couple of irritating dungeons.
>>342385765
I wasn't aware that Pavlov's dogs enjoyed Nintendo so much.
>>342396815
That was due to NES game's archaic design and enemies being up your ass everywhere.
>>342396815
Gaming was different back then. It was mostly kids who played games, so they didn't have the income to play lots of games. Usually people only had a few games and they were really expensive, so they had to be worth it. Games back then were hard to artificially lengthen them.
>>342396815
The NES games were not that hard as far as NES games go. Zelda II has one spot that is pretty damn tough, but they are (mostly) fair games, which is more than 80% of the library can say. It's like people thinking Mario 1, 2 (US), 3 are hard. By modern standards, yeah, but they were some of the easiest games in the NES library to actually beat.
>>342380981
The Zelda series will never be good again until it returns to this artstyle.
The piss easy difficulty, QTE combat, copy paste islands, padding and overall poor quality thanks to it being an unfinished mess kill it for me.
Not to mention shameless babby puzzles. The one room in hyrule castle I think where the game shows the order to hit the candles is cringeworthy.
>>342382547
I love how the fucking boat won't let you go anywhere you want until you're half done with the game, I also love how you can't do shit at 70% of the islands if you don'r have the temple dungeon items. So much freedom!
>>342380981
>ocean is just a flat blue texture
>remake doesn't even add basic reflections to try and make it look better
>>342380981
Huh, so there IS an emulator for the GC. Interesting.
Maybe I'll get around to playing some of nintendo's titles finally.
>>342398515
Yeah yeah, I just started emulating OOT master quest with it, runs real smooth.
It's a lot better than WW, for sure. Dozed off in that game at around the place where you get the bow.
>>342380981
Any noob tips for this?
>>342382351
No.
Manchildren are worse than kids.
>>342398232
That would look horrible.
>>342398515
Play Metroid Prime.
>>342380981
if playing a mediocre videogame is one of the worst experiences of your life, you are a lucky person and should be thankful
>>342385513
A lot of people liked SS since release, I'm one of them, I absolutely loved it, I admit it has some flaws, but surely it's one of my favorite games.
The thing is, there was so many people shitting on it that it was always impossible to talk well about the game
It's the Zelda cycle.
>Wind Waker
>>342380981
The first two times I had a blast. The third one I couldn't tolerate more than 5 minutes of "plot".
>>342398671
>Yeah yeah, I just started emulating OOT master quest with it, runs real smooth.
Is this the best version of OOT to emulate/play?
>>342399163
I don't know, but I think so.
Ideally you'd want the handheld 3ds, but the gamecube port has that master quest add-on tacked.
>>342399127
Why wasn't the picture of him actually sailing the one repeated?
>>342399127
Triforce hunt isn't bad the first time you do it
You get to explore some pretty interesting islands while you do it, it's just tedious when you replay the game because it's a lot of running around when you've already seen all the extra stuff that there is to see in between the running around.
>>342383612
Best Ganondorf: WW
Best Zelda: TP
Best Link:MM
>>342399127
Not trying to defend the obvious padding, but I do kinda like that the game at one point literally forces you to explore. I felt kinda cool knowing there was this huge as world and that advancing the plot was dependent on me finding the correct pieces to move forward.But they should've at least given you the first map or something. I really had no idea what to do at first and it was frustrating
>>342399163
No, it has fucked up dungeons. You need the original
>>342380981
>No Taste: The PostTwilight Princess is better
>>342399163
Master Quest is sorta/kinda hard mode. It's not meant for people who didn't play the original. It's not that it's harder for people who like a challenge, it's just... kinda dumb.
>>342399378
>Ideally you'd want the handheld 3ds
I really dont want 3ds.
>>342400110
Does N64 emulate well? When I tried it years ago, menus were always fucked up.
>>342400803
>Does N64 emulate well?
Kinda, Navi stopped being a floating square a long time ago
>>342400803
>Does N64 emulate well?
No, nope, and it never will. The N64 runs on black magic that will never be fully understood. It's almost impossible to emulate. It's about the only console hardware worth owning for that reason.
>>342380981
It's a game that some come to love and others come to dislike. The game has a pretty selective taste.
>>342400803
>>342400110
Hold on, you get to choose which version of the game you want to play at the start with the gamecube master quest version.
You can choose the original or master quest.
>>342401849
does Dolphin emulate it better than N64 emulators?
>>342401849
But if he's emulating it with an N64 emulator, he's playing the master quest rom ripped from the gamecube disc.
>>342382087
The Forest Temple was when everything finally started coming together for me. It was my first 3D Zelda and I had no idea what the fuck to even do before that, but somewhere during that temple everything just clicked together.
>>342402247
64 emulation is good enough for Zelda. It will run perfectly fine with the right settings and if you aren't running it on shit hardware.
Yes.
Example:
"Overwatch is a good game."
>>342388065
>/v/
>honest
>>342380981
>and it was one of the most joyless, utterly miserable experiences of my life.
You sound like a joyless cunt, m8
Wind Waker was far from joyless, but the sailing sure was fucking tedious.
